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(CNBC)   Which means ticket prices will likely increase by 35%   (cnbc.com) divider line
    More: Obvious, Delta Air Lines, United Airlines, American Airlines, Northwest Airlines, preliminary agreement, pilots' union, Delta pilots, agreement-in-principle  
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1630 clicks; posted to Business » on 04 Dec 2022 at 11:05 AM (9 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-12-04 7:35:52 AM  
Oh ye of little faith, subby...Ticket prices will stay the same.

* Ticket Fee
* Participation Fee
* Venue Fee
* Fee for collecting fees...
 
2022-12-04 8:20:49 AM  
That might be true if every pilot only flew 2 people on every flight.

/assuming two pilots
 
2022-12-04 8:28:09 AM  

Gubbo: That might be true if every pilot only flew 2 people on every flight.


Let's not bring math and common sense into a "let's hate the airlines" thread. C'mon, man, this is Fark.
 
2022-12-04 8:43:50 AM  

Man On A Mission: Gubbo: That might be true if every pilot only flew 2 people on every flight.

Let's not bring math and common sense into a "let's hate the airlines" thread. C'mon, man, this is Fark.


Sorry. My bad.
 
2022-12-04 11:22:40 AM  
I want my pilots to struggle financially
 
2022-12-04 11:25:09 AM  
Worry not, folks: the C-suiters will also receive similar percentage raises, like they have the past 40 years.
 
2022-12-04 12:04:23 PM  

Linux_Yes: I want my pilots to struggle financially


You should fly regional airlines, they only make ~$25k a year.
 
2022-12-04 12:04:45 PM  
LOL. Pilot payroll is but a small part of your ticket price. Airlines are expensive.
 
2022-12-04 12:06:01 PM  

HempHead: Linux_Yes: I want my pilots to struggle financially

You should fly regional airlines, they only make ~$25k a year.


That's changed lately, thus the big raises at the big airlines. Most regionals are starting pilots at $90K now. Oh how I wish iat had been so back in the day when I was young.
 
2022-12-04 12:31:08 PM  
Good, maybe that will make some of the troglodytes stay the f*ck home. Waaaaaay too many people flying as it is
 
2022-12-04 12:40:09 PM  
Huh... Actually lower than I thought it would be.  


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2022-12-04 1:50:50 PM  

Linux_Yes: I want my pilots to struggle financially


I personally want my pilots to have crippling gambling addictions to try and pay for their cost of living.

Maybe they can "choose" different quality health care packages via roulette.
 
2022-12-04 2:02:06 PM  
I'm on a Delta plane right now so I'm getting a kick...
 
2022-12-04 2:16:02 PM  

Linux_Yes: I want my pilots to struggle financially


The median pay of an Airline pilot was only $134,000 last year. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/transportation-and-material-moving/airline-and-commercial-pilots.htm

This 30% raise should get them to a reasonable standard of living.
 
2022-12-04 2:23:08 PM  

CCNP: Linux_Yes: I want my pilots to struggle financially

The median pay of an Airline pilot was only $134,000 last year. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/transportation-and-material-moving/airline-and-commercial-pilots.htm

This 30% raise should get them to a reasonable standard of living.


Pilot checking in, not a commercial one, but know a few real ones.

Yes, the guys at major carriers make a good living, but they have to put in their dues, big time to get there, especially if they weren't ex-military. The regional guys make crap (not as bad as some of the examples that are trotted out, mind you they exist, but they are outliers), at least in terms of when you consider what their workload looks like and their responsibilities. You also have mandatory retirement ages (most find work on the ground if they want it, but not always with the same paycheck), physicals, and all kinds of other things where one morning you just may wake up and not be able to work that job anymore, even if you feel fine and want to.

Its good they are getting paid more, you want to entice as many people as you can to the field, because we need it, and it takes a long time to ramp someone up to fly your 737 to disneyworld. I know more than one person who REALLY wanted to be a commercial pilot, and looked at what it what the road to get there was going to be, and noped on out.
 
2022-12-04 2:47:07 PM  

edmo: LOL. Pilot payroll is but a small part of your ticket price. Airlines are expensive.


Wait, I thought labor was 100% of business costs of production. Every time we used to try to crack down on illegal labor, lettuce prices were supposedly going to quintuple.
 
2022-12-04 2:49:50 PM  

Izunbacol: Huh... Actually lower than I thought it would be.  


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2022-12-04 2:52:16 PM  

Man On A Mission: Gubbo: That might be true if every pilot only flew 2 people on every flight.

Let's not bring math and common sense into a "let's hate the airlines" thread. C'mon, man, this is Fark.


I think this is more of a "let's hate unions/people getting raises in general" thread. It is Sunday after all, which means trolls get in for free.
 
2022-12-04 3:00:28 PM  

LineNoise: CCNP: Linux_Yes: I want my pilots to struggle financially

The median pay of an Airline pilot was only $134,000 last year. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/transportation-and-material-moving/airline-and-commercial-pilots.htm

This 30% raise should get them to a reasonable standard of living.

Pilot checking in, not a commercial one, but know a few real ones.

Yes, the guys at major carriers make a good living, but they have to put in their dues, big time to get there, especially if they weren't ex-military. The regional guys make crap (not as bad as some of the examples that are trotted out, mind you they exist, but they are outliers), at least in terms of when you consider what their workload looks like and their responsibilities. You also have mandatory retirement ages (most find work on the ground if they want it, but not always with the same paycheck), physicals, and all kinds of other things where one morning you just may wake up and not be able to work that job anymore, even if you feel fine and want to.

Its good they are getting paid more, you want to entice as many people as you can to the field, because we need it, and it takes a long time to ramp someone up to fly your 737 to disneyworld. I know more than one person who REALLY wanted to be a commercial pilot, and looked at what it what the road to get there was going to be, and noped on out.


All of that was taken into account when the the Federal Government calculated the median wages.

The median annual wage for airline pilots, copilots, and flight engineers was $202,180 in May 2021.

The median annual wage for commercial pilots was $99,640 in May 2021.

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/transportation-and-material-moving/airline-and-commercial-pilots.htm
 
2022-12-04 5:28:46 PM  

OhioUGrad: Izunbacol: Huh... Actually lower than I thought it would be.  


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$40K per HuffPost as of 2017, or $37,960 per BLS, based on 2080 annual hours, assuming they work 40 hours/week:

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So... yeah, that's low, but it's also a job that doesn't require any formal education whatsoever.

I suspect there is a huge difference between salespersons.  Someone who is sleazy, incompetent, and turns people off will either not last long in the job, or get sorted down to the shiat-tier brands like Kia, Nissan, and Mitsubishia.  the ones who are able to build rapport and loyalty with customers, particularly repeat customers, would likely do far better.

CSB:  my parents used to always go to the same salesman at the same dealership.  The guy was a retired marine, very sharp, and took time to learn his customers.  Someone would come on the lot, and if he'd met them before, it was "How's your family?  How's your son?  Still in marching band?  He ought to be 17 or so by now right?"  No tricks, no games.  He was an up-front, straight shooter.  When he was in the hospital from a heart attack, the word spread through his regular longtime customers, and they visited him in the hospital.

If you are a car salesman and your customers visit you in the hospital and wish you a healthy recovery, you're doing the job right.
 
2022-12-04 6:39:08 PM  

edmo: LOL. Pilot payroll is but a small part of your ticket price. Airlines are expensive.


This is true. Ticket prices will increase 45%.
 
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