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2022-12-04 10:38:43 AM  
WELL NO F*CKING shiat.

What was your first clue, dumbassmitter?
 
2022-12-04 10:39:15 AM  
Most of them would fly below my radar if not for FARK.
 
2022-12-04 10:40:50 AM  
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Meanwhile, on Twitter, Nazis, run wild with almost no moderators, but at least they canceled Kanye for a posting the Raelean symbol as his own.

Fark is a mostly sane layer of the social media stream by comparison.

My sanity thanks Drew. Mostly.
 
2022-12-04 10:42:59 AM  
At this point it's less 'stoking fears of' and more 'stoking observations of empirical evidence of'.
 
2022-12-04 10:44:50 AM  
Celebrities are one thing, but maybe it's time the Jews got their shiat together.

"Anyone who can protest against [something wrong that] one of their family [is doing], and does not, is punished for the sins of their household. [All who can protest against something wrong done by citizens of] their city, [and do not], are punished for the sins of their city. All who can protest against [something wrong done by] the whole world, [and do not], are punished for the sins of the world."
-Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 54b
 
2022-12-04 10:46:50 AM  
Even posting it on Fark spreads it Subs....
 
2022-12-04 10:48:12 AM  

AtomPeepers: Fark is a mostly sane layer of the social media stream by comparison.

My sanity thanks Drew. Mostly.


lol    Go get you some TFD and then come back.
 
2022-12-04 10:48:18 AM  

FnkyTwn: Celebrities are one thing, but maybe it's time the Jews got their shiat together.

"Anyone who can protest against [something wrong that] one of their family [is doing], and does not, is punished for the sins of their household. [All who can protest against something wrong done by citizens of] their city, [and do not], are punished for the sins of their city. All who can protest against [something wrong done by] the whole world, [and do not], are punished for the sins of the world."
-Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 54b


How about we all just get our shiat together and stop pointing fingers at each other?

Every single group has got their black sheep in a closet somewhere they don't want to talk about. What about them first? You know who I'm talking about!

Let's all fix the problems in our own house before we start pointing fingers and burning down the other houses.
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2022-12-04 10:48:24 AM  
The human race has subconsciously realized that it's a disease, and all this gnashing of teeth is us trying to figure out how to cure it without offending The Creator.
 
2022-12-04 10:53:46 AM  
Yup, keep reporting on them and they'll ramp up their antics. Just stop reporting on them.
 
2022-12-04 10:54:01 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: AtomPeepers: Fark is a mostly sane layer of the social media stream by comparison.

My sanity thanks Drew. Mostly.

lol    Go get you some TFD and then come back.


/ I thought there was an antibotic cream for that
 
2022-12-04 10:57:28 AM  

FnkyTwn: Celebrities are one thing, but maybe it's time the Jews got their shiat together.

"Anyone who can protest against [something wrong that] one of their family [is doing], and does not, is punished for the sins of their household. [All who can protest against something wrong done by citizens of] their city, [and do not], are punished for the sins of their city. All who can protest against [something wrong done by] the whole world, [and do not], are punished for the sins of the world."
-Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 54b


You, uh, may want to look at how the (large) majority of Jews vote (+38 for Biden in 2020) what we support, and how we spend our political efforts.

The ZOA is like the Jewish TEA Party, complete with "lying about basic facts" - for example, your link claims Trump was the first President to pray at the Western Wall, which is just a stupid claim to make when there are pics of the previous 3 President (at least) doing that very thing.

Everyone's got the embarrassing idiots in the family, and Jews are no exception - but using ZOA as a proxy for (American) Jews is misguided.
 
2022-12-04 11:14:45 AM  

SoupJohnB: Most of them would fly below my radar if not for FARK.


Feel free to see yourself out, then.
 
2022-12-04 11:15:00 AM  
Sorry AP, Trump already did that back in 2015.
 
2022-12-04 11:15:12 AM  

FnkyTwn: Celebrities are one thing, but maybe it's time the Jews got their shiat together.

"Anyone who can protest against [something wrong that] one of their family [is doing], and does not, is punished for the sins of their household. [All who can protest against something wrong done by citizens of] their city, [and do not], are punished for the sins of their city. All who can protest against [something wrong done by] the whole world, [and do not], are punished for the sins of the world."
-Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 54b


Maybe white people as a whole should get their shiat together?  I mean, they voted for that holy trinity of racist, misogynist,  xenophobe.

I realize I'm leaving out a lot of other types of hate exposed by the man almost half of voters said "Yeah, that's someone I can support to represent America."
 
2022-12-04 11:16:51 AM  
Antisemitism, Islamophobia, misogyny, racism, homophobia, and transphobia are all pretty damn normalized already. Ask anyone in the groups those bigotries affect.
 
2022-12-04 11:17:07 AM  
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She sheep all had MAGA hats on.  Just sayin'
 
2022-12-04 11:24:59 AM  

Dr Dreidel: FnkyTwn: Celebrities are one thing, but maybe it's time the Jews got their shiat together.

"Anyone who can protest against [something wrong that] one of their family [is doing], and does not, is punished for the sins of their household. [All who can protest against something wrong done by citizens of] their city, [and do not], are punished for the sins of their city. All who can protest against [something wrong done by] the whole world, [and do not], are punished for the sins of the world."
-Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 54b

You, uh, may want to look at how the (large) majority of Jews vote (+38 for Biden in 2020) what we support, and how we spend our political efforts.

The ZOA is like the Jewish TEA Party, complete with "lying about basic facts" - for example, your link claims Trump was the first President to pray at the Western Wall, which is just a stupid claim to make when there are pics of the previous 3 President (at least) doing that very thing.

Everyone's got the embarrassing idiots in the family, and Jews are no exception - but using ZOA as a proxy for (American) Jews is misguided.


I tried to read the comments for Shabat 54b (and 55a), that section.  Rashi and Steinsalz are neither translated to English.

I was looking for what if you protest and its fails to change anything.  And, if assuming failure, when do you know you have done your duty?  Do you keep records as a matter of discipline?  At what point is civil disobedience not further condoned.  Does modern voting count?
 
2022-12-04 11:28:21 AM  
We're in a weird moment where sometimes you have to (or at least feel compelled to) talk about the obvious, even if it's annoying. Watch the recent Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony, where they inducted an Entertainment Lawyer, Allan Grubman, and inductor John Melancamp, one of his many clients, was SO aware of the antisemitic knee-jerk reaction to a Jewish lawyer being inducted into The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, that he basically replaced half his speech with an awkward discussion of rising antisemitism.  It was weird, frankly not really well expressed, but Mellancamp certainly wasn't wrong in his impression of what the induction would trigger.  A behind the scenes JEWISH power broker, a lawyer, getting public recognition?  You just know what some viewers were muttering to themselves.  Anyway, here's where that happens...

John Mellencamp Inducts Allan Grubman - "F**k Antisemitism!"
Youtube EbW45qgVryw
 
2022-12-04 11:28:44 AM  

austerity101: SoupJohnB: Most of them would fly below my radar if not for FARK.

Feel free to see yourself out, then.


You seem fun.
 
2022-12-04 11:29:23 AM  
I'm sure Tucker Carlson and his friends would LOVE it if the non-nutjobs all agreed to just stop talking about what they're trying to normalize.

"What's so wrong with being a White Nationalist or Christian Nationalist?  We're just asking questions!"

Maybe we should just shut up about Proud Boy terrorism while we're at it.

Nope. These knuckleheads have become far too dangerous to ignore.
 
2022-12-04 11:31:52 AM  

Dr Dreidel: FnkyTwn: Celebrities are one thing, but maybe it's time the Jews got their shiat together.

"Anyone who can protest against [something wrong that] one of their family [is doing], and does not, is punished for the sins of their household. [All who can protest against something wrong done by citizens of] their city, [and do not], are punished for the sins of their city. All who can protest against [something wrong done by] the whole world, [and do not], are punished for the sins of the world."
-Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 54b

You, uh, may want to look at how the (large) majority of Jews vote (+38 for Biden in 2020) what we support, and how we spend our political efforts.

The ZOA is like the Jewish TEA Party, complete with "lying about basic facts" - for example, your link claims Trump was the first President to pray at the Western Wall, which is just a stupid claim to make when there are pics of the previous 3 President (at least) doing that very thing.

Everyone's got the embarrassing idiots in the family, and Jews are no exception - but using ZOA as a proxy for (American) Jews is misguided.


A scapegoat, if you will.

Something we Jews wouldn't know anything about of course. /s
 
2022-12-04 11:32:11 AM  
Just ignore them so we can pretend that the Trumpers are actually just harmless people with economic anxiety
 
2022-12-04 11:35:51 AM  

question_dj: Yup, keep reporting on them and they'll ramp up their antics. Just stop reporting on them.


Lol.

I once commented that we should stop giving news stories to nutbag conspiracy believers.

A good poster on fark told me that no, in fact that is wrong! Wrong! Wrong!  We need to constantly put them in the limelight so that everyone knows that they exist, as ignoring them only makes them stronger!

I remember this because I think it was the first time some good fine fark poster called me a tankie.  And then went further saying  that I was calling for the subjugation of Ukraine. And iirc they also said that my statements were somehow akin to me saying a woman deserves harrassment for wearing a skirt.


I'm not kidding.


The takeaway from all this, before you accuse me of getting on my cross or making it about me, is that dark is NOT the place for any sane discourse.

Carry on.
 
2022-12-04 11:37:20 AM  
Be fair, now.   How is the the Republican party going to serve it's constituents if they aren't allowed to indulge in a little Jew-baiting and cross burning?
 
2022-12-04 11:39:49 AM  

IRestoreFurniture: question_dj: Yup, keep reporting on them and they'll ramp up their antics. Just stop reporting on them.

Lol.

I once commented that we should stop giving news stories to nutbag conspiracy believers.

A good poster on fark told me that no, in fact that is wrong! Wrong! Wrong!  We need to constantly put them in the limelight so that everyone knows that they exist, as ignoring them only makes them stronger!

I remember this because I think it was the first time some good fine fark poster called me a tankie.  And then went further saying  that I was calling for the subjugation of Ukraine. And iirc they also said that my statements were somehow akin to me saying a woman deserves harrassment for wearing a skirt.


I'm not kidding.


The takeaway from all this, before you accuse me of getting on my cross or making it about me, is that dark is NOT the place for any sane discourse.

Carry on.


The sad thing is Fark (autocorrect be damned) is about the most reasonable messageboard you're going to find.
 
2022-12-04 11:45:11 AM  

Riche: I'm sure Tucker Carlson and his friends would LOVE it if the non-nutjobs all agreed to just stop talking about what they're trying to normalize.

"What's so wrong with being a White Nationalist or Christian Nationalist?  We're just asking questions!"

Maybe we should just shut up about Proud Boy terrorism while we're at it.

Nope. These knuckleheads have become far too dangerous to ignore.


Ignoring them is horrible advice.  I roll my eyes hard when people suggest it.  It's an oversimplified bullshiate non-solution tossed out by people who don't actually want to deal with a problem.  It's lazy, and ineffective.

We don't control Reich Wing media.  Or streaming resources now available to anyone.  These people have platforms no matter what.  "Ignoring them" in regular media just lessens the pressures against them.  True, some thrive on each bit of extra attention, and it's even true that being a target of journalists might net them bigger contributions from right wing sources and make them bigger heroes of that movement, but there's an endless supply of money, and an endless supply of other nazi wannabees to replace them.  Ignoring them and one earning less in favor of another seems good, until you realize another will simply get that money and attention.  Whereas if say, an Alex Jones gets roasted in the media, that encouraged more successful lawsuits against him, and aside from the money he pays out for those, he also becomes an object lesson in consequences to the other hatemongers as a result.

The media has to get better in HOW they talk about these people.  Not simply stop.
 
2022-12-04 11:52:58 AM  

BitwiseShift: Dr Dreidel: FnkyTwn: Celebrities are one thing, but maybe it's time the Jews got their shiat together.

"Anyone who can protest against [something wrong that] one of their family [is doing], and does not, is punished for the sins of their household. [All who can protest against something wrong done by citizens of] their city, [and do not], are punished for the sins of their city. All who can protest against [something wrong done by] the whole world, [and do not], are punished for the sins of the world."
-Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 54b

You, uh, may want to look at how the (large) majority of Jews vote (+38 for Biden in 2020) what we support, and how we spend our political efforts.

The ZOA is like the Jewish TEA Party, complete with "lying about basic facts" - for example, your link claims Trump was the first President to pray at the Western Wall, which is just a stupid claim to make when there are pics of the previous 3 President (at least) doing that very thing.

Everyone's got the embarrassing idiots in the family, and Jews are no exception - but using ZOA as a proxy for (American) Jews is misguided.

I tried to read the comments for Shabat 54b (and 55a), that section.  Rashi and Steinsalz are neither translated to English.

I was looking for what if you protest and its fails to change anything.  And, if assuming failure, when do you know you have done your duty?  Do you keep records as a matter of discipline?  At what point is civil disobedience not further condoned.  Does modern voting count?


Sefaria has the main test translated (which you may have seen). The Rashi doesn't add much: clarifies that the text means "would be punished for" (which the translation already did), and (I think) that "the whole world" means that "in all of worldwide Jewry, leaders that people fear (e.g. a monarch) or respect have a duty to mobilize their followers against injustice".

At any rate, the text says that we must protest these injustices, not that we must be successful in preventing or fixing them. Similar to (Avot 2:20): "it is not your responsibility to finish the work, but neither are you exempt from doing it."
 
2022-12-04 11:57:21 AM  
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2022-12-04 11:57:46 AM  

EvaDewer: austerity101: SoupJohnB: Most of them would fly below my radar if not for FARK.

Feel free to see yourself out, then.

You seem fun.


It's Sunday, he's hoisting himself up on the cross early.
 
2022-12-04 12:02:39 PM  
86 individuals control more wealth than the bottom half of humanity, 3.5 billion people.

They use the media to promote racial division so no one can get on message and form any coalitions.

Want to get to the bottom of homelessness?  Nope!  Your local news has to cover racist graffiti found in a school bathroom.

Why is health care so expensive? Forget about it! Here's the second week of human interest stories related to the last mass shooting.


All of this to keep you from finding out what's really going on so you continue to hyperconsume in ignorance.
 
2022-12-04 12:08:16 PM  

mistahtom: [Fark user image image 425x295]


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2022-12-04 12:10:12 PM  

IRestoreFurniture: question_dj: Yup, keep reporting on them and they'll ramp up their antics. Just stop reporting on them.

Lol.

I once commented that we should stop giving news stories to nutbag conspiracy believers.

A good poster on fark told me that no, in fact that is wrong! Wrong! Wrong!  We need to constantly put them in the limelight so that everyone knows that they exist, as ignoring them only makes them stronger!

I remember this because I think it was the first time some good fine fark poster called me a tankie.  And then went further saying  that I was calling for the subjugation of Ukraine. And iirc they also said that my statements were somehow akin to me saying a woman deserves harrassment for wearing a skirt.


I'm not kidding.


The takeaway from all this, before you accuse me of getting on my cross or making it about me, is that dark is NOT the place for any sane discourse.

Carry on.


I remember being called an idiot for comparing Rigth Wing nut bags to Julius Streicher circa 2012-2014
 
2022-12-04 12:10:52 PM  
Maybe someone should enforce antitrust law and break up the ginormous conglomerates that control the media, as a start.

Hello? Is this thing on? on on

/manny manny manny mota mota mota
 
2022-12-04 12:13:42 PM  

Kris_Romm: We're in a weird moment where sometimes you have to (or at least feel compelled to) talk about the obvious, even if it's annoying. Watch the recent Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony, where they inducted an Entertainment Lawyer, Allan Grubman, and inductor John Melancamp, one of his many clients, was SO aware of the antisemitic knee-jerk reaction to a Jewish lawyer being inducted into The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, that he basically replaced half his speech with an awkward discussion of rising antisemitism.  It was weird, frankly not really well expressed, but Mellancamp certainly wasn't wrong in his impression of what the induction would trigger.  A behind the scenes JEWISH power broker, a lawyer, getting public recognition?  You just know what some viewers were muttering to themselves.  Anyway, here's where that happens...

[YouTube video: John Mellencamp Inducts Allan Grubman - "F**k Antisemitism!"]


I'm kind of surprised that Peter Grant never got the nod for the HoF.

His management of Zeppelin permanently changed the way (and amount) rock bands got paid.
 
2022-12-04 12:16:35 PM  
Because we all know the best way for a society to deal with hate is to pretend it doesn't happen, never talk about it and let it quietly exist away from where polite folk congregate.

If only it wasn't reported anywhere, I could pretend it didn't exist.
 
2022-12-04 12:20:29 PM  

SMB2811: Because we all know the best way for a society to deal with hate is to pretend it doesn't happen, never talk about it and let it quietly exist away from where polite folk congregate.

If only it wasn't reported anywhere, I could pretend it didn't exist.


People ignored Hitler and he just went away. Hell, most people have never even heard of him.
 
2022-12-04 12:21:30 PM  
How about every candidate being objectively tested for sociopathy or delusions of grandeur? Don't stop anybody from running, but just mandate results to be made public.

I don't know why so many people are attracted to those traits right now, but perhaps if we spell it out for them we can peel off a few more who are voting for these types.
 
2022-12-04 12:21:50 PM  

mistahtom: 86 individuals control more wealth than the bottom half of humanity, 3.5 billion people.

They use the media to promote racial division so no one can get on message and form any coalitions.

Want to get to the bottom of homelessness?  Nope!  Your local news has to cover racist graffiti found in a school bathroom.

Why is health care so expensive? Forget about it! Here's the second week of human interest stories related to the last mass shooting.


All of this to keep you from finding out what's really going on so you continue to hyperconsume in ignorance.


So we should ignore racism?
 
2022-12-04 12:24:00 PM  
As long as hate drives clicks and thus revenue from advertisers, privately held media will continue to look to expand their bottom line, no matter the societal cost.

Money
It's a gas
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash
New car, caviar, four star, daydream
Think I'll buy me a football team
 
2022-12-04 12:26:29 PM  

spongeboob: IRestoreFurniture: question_dj: Yup, keep reporting on them and they'll ramp up their antics. Just stop reporting on them.

Lol.

I once commented that we should stop giving news stories to nutbag conspiracy believers.

A good poster on fark told me that no, in fact that is wrong! Wrong! Wrong!  We need to constantly put them in the limelight so that everyone knows that they exist, as ignoring them only makes them stronger!

I remember this because I think it was the first time some good fine fark poster called me a tankie.  And then went further saying  that I was calling for the subjugation of Ukraine. And iirc they also said that my statements were somehow akin to me saying a woman deserves harrassment for wearing a skirt.


I'm not kidding.


The takeaway from all this, before you accuse me of getting on my cross or making it about me, is that dark is NOT the place for any sane discourse.

Carry on.

I remember being called an idiot for comparing Rigth Wing nut bags to Julius Streicher circa 2012-2014


If you oppose spending Democratic candidate campaign money to promote extremist GOP candidates, you are literally a Nazi.
 
2022-12-04 12:54:29 PM  

AtomPeepers: [Fark user image image 425x524]
Meanwhile, on Twitter, Nazis, run wild with almost no moderators, but at least they canceled Kanye for a posting the Raelean symbol as his own.

Fark is a mostly sane layer of the social media stream by comparison.

My sanity thanks Drew. Mostly.


Adidas better come with a battalion of lawyers for that.
 
2022-12-04 12:57:32 PM  

spongeboob: mistahtom: 86 individuals control more wealth than the bottom half of humanity, 3.5 billion people.

They use the media to promote racial division so no one can get on message and form any coalitions.

Want to get to the bottom of homelessness?  Nope!  Your local news has to cover racist graffiti found in a school bathroom.

Why is health care so expensive? Forget about it! Here's the second week of human interest stories related to the last mass shooting.


All of this to keep you from finding out what's really going on so you continue to hyperconsume in ignorance.

So we should ignore racism?


No.  And that's not the argument. But you knew that.


Do we give racists views a megaphone?


The answer is no.

You can monitor/address racism without making a celebrity out of the biggest mouthpiece.
 
2022-12-04 1:02:56 PM  

Gyrfalcon: WELL NO F*CKING shiat.

What was your first clue, dumbassmitter?


Whoa! Slow the vitriol down. Sunny merely posted an article.
 
2022-12-04 1:03:58 PM  

AsparagusFTW: Even posting it on Fark spreads it Subs....


Yes. But it will help identify what we need to shame, ignore, and block.
 
2022-12-04 1:23:24 PM  

SMB2811: Because we all know the best way for a society to deal with hate is to pretend it doesn't happen, never talk about it and let it quietly exist away from where polite folk congregate.

If only it wasn't reported anywhere, I could pretend it didn't exist.


It depends, if you have someone who worked by being a troll like Milo, ignoring is helpful, because he operated via negative attention and liberal hate of him. There wasn't anything to his celebrity except pissing people off and serving as a mirror for various self styled YouTube cultural critics. Attention only increased his social media reach.

But in the case of influential celebrities who otherwise have normal fans that might decide to hate Jews because their idol does then it's nothing to ignore.
 
2022-12-04 1:52:18 PM  

FnkyTwn: Celebrities are one thing, but maybe it's time the Jews got their shiat together.

"Anyone who can protest against [something wrong that] one of their family [is doing], and does not, is punished for the sins of their household. [All who can protest against something wrong done by citizens of] their city, [and do not], are punished for the sins of their city. All who can protest against [something wrong done by] the whole world, [and do not], are punished for the sins of the world."
-Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 54b


I'm not understanding the statement here which jews need to be protested and why?
 
2022-12-04 1:55:12 PM  

SiriusClown: Gyrfalcon: WELL NO F*CKING shiat.

What was your first clue, dumbassmitter?

Whoa! Slow the vitriol down. Sunny merely posted an article.


That dude goes 0-100 like a farking Tesla on insane antisemite mode. Nobody pays any attention, a stance I would recommend.
 
2022-12-04 1:55:28 PM  

Dr Dreidel: FnkyTwn: Celebrities are one thing, but maybe it's time the Jews got their shiat together.

"Anyone who can protest against [something wrong that] one of their family [is doing], and does not, is punished for the sins of their household. [All who can protest against something wrong done by citizens of] their city, [and do not], are punished for the sins of their city. All who can protest against [something wrong done by] the whole world, [and do not], are punished for the sins of the world."
-Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 54b

You, uh, may want to look at how the (large) majority of Jews vote (+38 for Biden in 2020) what we support, and how we spend our political efforts.

The ZOA is like the Jewish TEA Party, complete with "lying about basic facts" - for example, your link claims Trump was the first President to pray at the Western Wall, which is just a stupid claim to make when there are pics of the previous 3 President (at least) doing that very thing.

Everyone's got the embarrassing idiots in the family, and Jews are no exception - but using ZOA as a proxy for (American) Jews is misguided.


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2022-12-04 2:40:50 PM  
Nothing bad can happen if you just ignore the problem!!
 
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