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2022-12-03 2:06:05 PM  
Had a Baptist GF once who got a huge buzz out of bible meetings, so I had no problem listening to those (they had them in her lounge; I hid out in study next door), even though they never went anywhere near any dangerous texts.

I especially enjoyed their teaching that a woman should submit to her man whenever he asked.

But on the negative side, her first husband, like me an atheist, was severely depressed and refusing his meds. She persuaded him to try coming to church with her. There, he was introduced to a congregation of enthusiastic believers who assured him that Jesus would save him and that everything would be magically cured. He woke up the next morning, didn't feel any better, and hung himself
 
2022-12-03 2:15:35 PM  
Gullible
 
2022-12-03 2:18:13 PM  
for several years JW came to my house every Sat.
One day I asked, why is it that the women do the door-to-door evangelizing, but the men lead the church service?
I was invited to not come back
 
2022-12-03 2:55:37 PM  

goodluckwiththat: for several years JW came to my house every Sat.
One day I asked, why is it that the women do the door-to-door evangelizing, but the men lead the church service?
I was invited to not come back


I was blacklisted at my old house. They ask if you want to talk about Jesus, but they don't want a 2 sided conversation. I managed to trap them in debate for about 20 min, being an atheist I knew far more about what was in there book that they did. The conversation ended when she thought she got me, saying the bible knew rabbits chew their cud long before science, but rabbits don't chew cud, they eat their sh*t, making them unclean animals, in direct contradiction of their inerrant holy book. They just walked away after that and I never saw them again.
 
2022-12-03 3:01:55 PM  
No, no, yes
 
2022-12-03 3:22:15 PM  

mjjt: Had a Baptist GF once who got a huge buzz out of bible meetings, so I had no problem listening to those (they had them in her lounge; I hid out in study next door), even though they never went anywhere near any dangerous texts.
[snip]
There, he was introduced to a congregation of enthusiastic believers who assured him that Jesus would save him and that everything would be magically cured. He woke up the next morning, didn't feel any better, and hung himself


Yesus that story went... places.
 
2022-12-03 3:34:14 PM  
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2022-12-03 3:44:59 PM  

goodluckwiththat: for several years JW came to my house every Sat.
One day I asked, why is it that the women do the door-to-door evangelizing, but the men lead the church service?
I was invited to not come back


According to Billy Connolly, the approved way to get rid of JW door knockers is to yell out "I'm naked! And I have an erection!"
 
2022-12-03 3:47:53 PM  
The self-delusional are usually kinda blissful in their ignorance.
 
2022-12-03 4:53:05 PM  

mjjt: goodluckwiththat: for several years JW came to my house every Sat.
One day I asked, why is it that the women do the door-to-door evangelizing, but the men lead the church service?
I was invited to not come back

According to Billy Connolly, the approved way to get rid of JW door knockers is to yell out "I'm naked! And I have an erection!"


difficulty= I don't have the "hard"ware
 
2022-12-03 5:07:39 PM  

goodluckwiththat: mjjt: goodluckwiththat: for several years JW came to my house every Sat.
One day I asked, why is it that the women do the door-to-door evangelizing, but the men lead the church service?
I was invited to not come back

According to Billy Connolly, the approved way to get rid of JW door knockers is to yell out "I'm naked! And I have an erection!"

difficulty= I don't have the "hard"ware


User name checks out
 
2022-12-03 5:12:02 PM  
This is just more proof that there is no god.
 
2022-12-03 5:34:58 PM  

goodluckwiththat: mjjt: goodluckwiththat: for several years JW came to my house every Sat.
One day I asked, why is it that the women do the door-to-door evangelizing, but the men lead the church service?
I was invited to not come back

According to Billy Connolly, the approved way to get rid of JW door knockers is to yell out "I'm naked! And I have an erection!"

difficulty= I don't have the "hard"ware


THEY DON'T KNOW THAT!!! Be a dude... for just this moment, you're telling the hot girl [or dude. this is your gambit] you have an 8in. dick. Project dudeness... and tell these m00chers JUST how very ERECT you are.
 
2022-12-03 5:40:29 PM  

roddikinsathome: goodluckwiththat: mjjt: goodluckwiththat: for several years JW came to my house every Sat.
One day I asked, why is it that the women do the door-to-door evangelizing, but the men lead the church service?
I was invited to not come back

According to Billy Connolly, the approved way to get rid of JW door knockers is to yell out "I'm naked! And I have an erection!"

difficulty= I don't have the "hard"ware

THEY DON'T KNOW THAT!!! Be a dude... for just this moment, you're telling the hot girl [or dude. this is your gambit] you have an 8in. dick. Project dudeness... and tell these m00chers JUST how very ERECT you are.


well, when you put it that way....
no, I'd rather be Scarlett Johanson
 
2022-12-03 6:33:13 PM  
I recall the forced birth protesters included some guy in his 20s with an entourage of young women/girls, some if not all underage. I figured he was grooming them for Jesus at best.

Anyway, I thought it sickening these young Jesus tarts were harassing grown pregnant women seeking abortions. The tarts have no idea what pregnancy, being an adult, and/or sex entailed. Yet, there they were, judging grown women living in the real world, not in their Jesus bubble.
 
2022-12-03 6:45:01 PM  

goodluckwiththat: mjjt: goodluckwiththat: for several years JW came to my house every Sat.
One day I asked, why is it that the women do the door-to-door evangelizing, but the men lead the church service?
I was invited to not come back

According to Billy Connolly, the approved way to get rid of JW door knockers is to yell out "I'm naked! And I have an erection!"

difficulty= I don't have the "hard"ware


Well then, take a good roast that you need a good cleaver to work with, use said cleaver on it, wear a nice apron, wipe the cleaver on it every so often, then answer the door.  No one wants to have a conversation at the door with someone wearing a bloody apron and carrying a cleaver.  Trust me.
 
2022-12-03 6:46:16 PM  

goodluckwiththat: mjjt: goodluckwiththat: for several years JW came to my house every Sat.
One day I asked, why is it that the women do the door-to-door evangelizing, but the men lead the church service?
I was invited to not come back

According to Billy Connolly, the approved way to get rid of JW door knockers is to yell out "I'm naked! And I have an erection!"

difficulty= I don't have the "hard"ware


Simply add the words 'in my hand' to the end of that sentence.
 
2022-12-03 6:52:54 PM  
Pascal's Wager is stupid.

Next time you go out drinking with friends and somebody brings that up you should tell them that if they aren't paying for everyone you might just murder them. One night's drinking is worth a whole lot less than his/her life.
 
2022-12-03 6:55:36 PM  

mjjt: goodluckwiththat: for several years JW came to my house every Sat.
One day I asked, why is it that the women do the door-to-door evangelizing, but the men lead the church service?
I was invited to not come back

According to Billy Connolly, the approved way to get rid of JW door knockers is to yell out "I'm naked! And I have an erection!"


I know a guy who answered the door naked when some j dubs came around one time too many.

They never came back.
 
2022-12-03 7:15:58 PM  

Deathbymeteor: goodluckwiththat: mjjt: goodluckwiththat: for several years JW came to my house every Sat.
One day I asked, why is it that the women do the door-to-door evangelizing, but the men lead the church service?
I was invited to not come back

According to Billy Connolly, the approved way to get rid of JW door knockers is to yell out "I'm naked! And I have an erection!"

difficulty= I don't have the "hard"ware

Well then, take a good roast that you need a good cleaver to work with, use said cleaver on it, wear a nice apron, wipe the cleaver on it every so often, then answer the door.  No one wants to have a conversation at the door with someone wearing a bloody apron and carrying a cleaver.  Trust me.


well, ok then.
/you had me at "hello"
 
2022-12-03 7:16:36 PM  

goodluckwiththat: roddikinsathome: goodluckwiththat: mjjt: goodluckwiththat: for several years JW came to my house every Sat.
One day I asked, why is it that the women do the door-to-door evangelizing, but the men lead the church service?
I was invited to not come back

According to Billy Connolly, the approved way to get rid of JW door knockers is to yell out "I'm naked! And I have an erection!"

difficulty= I don't have the "hard"ware

THEY DON'T KNOW THAT!!! Be a dude... for just this moment, you're telling the hot girl [or dude. this is your gambit] you have an 8in. dick. Project dudeness... and tell these m00chers JUST how very ERECT you are.

well, when you put it that way....
no, I'd rather be Scarlett Johanson


It's all in the confidant delivery, however you play it.
 
2022-12-03 7:22:43 PM  

goodluckwiththat: Deathbymeteor: goodluckwiththat: mjjt: goodluckwiththat: for several years JW came to my house every Sat.
One day I asked, why is it that the women do the door-to-door evangelizing, but the men lead the church service?
I was invited to not come back

According to Billy Connolly, the approved way to get rid of JW door knockers is to yell out "I'm naked! And I have an erection!"

difficulty= I don't have the "hard"ware

Well then, take a good roast that you need a good cleaver to work with, use said cleaver on it, wear a nice apron, wipe the cleaver on it every so often, then answer the door.  No one wants to have a conversation at the door with someone wearing a bloody apron and carrying a cleaver.  Trust me.

well, ok then.
/you had me at "hello"


hey, my grandmother hasn't had a JW visitor in the 15 years since I did that when I lived with her.  If it works, it works
 
2022-12-03 7:30:03 PM  
too prevalent for our level of technological advancement
 
2022-12-03 7:30:46 PM  
I had a skateboard buddy who was a big time Baptist.  He and his brother built a half pipe in their yard.  He never proselytized though, not even once.

What was cool is when JWs would knock on his door, he'd invite them in, offer them refreshments, then debate the Bible with them, which he knew back to front, until they eventually got frustrated and left.
 
2022-12-03 7:30:50 PM  
Happier. Ignorance is, without doubt, bliss.
 
2022-12-03 7:31:11 PM  
Why would you want to live longer? You are already a parasite.
 
2022-12-03 7:32:16 PM  
Pascal's Wager Backfires
Youtube vG7RDAg9bp0
 
2022-12-03 8:14:43 PM  

f150: Gullible


A friend is a "born again" type and he's incredibly gullible.  Like most reformed types, he's taking it to extremes.  He hasn't seen a video about Israel and bible prophecy he hasn't liked and shared yet.  As long as it's not coming from the fake news media (what the rest of us call reputable sources of information), he's all in on it.

After the candidate he worked for in the 2022 election was crushed in the polls (and rightly so), he's retreated into a dark place, talking about a spiritual war and a bunch of other stuff that he's been spoon fed by radicals and hate mongers on youtube and facebook groups.  It's starting to concern me.
 
2022-12-03 8:26:51 PM  
Great_Milenko:

Arm thyself and keep your distance.
 
2022-12-03 8:32:41 PM  

dionysusaur: Great_Milenko:

Arm thyself and keep your distance.


Or arm thyself and send them to a consultation on morals and ethics with their deity of choice.
 
2022-12-03 8:35:56 PM  
It has for me so far.
 
2022-12-03 9:07:24 PM  

madgonad: Pascal's Wager is stupid.

Next time you go out drinking with friends and somebody brings that up you should tell them that if they aren't paying for everyone you might just murder them. One night's drinking is worth a whole lot less than his/her life.


Agreed, but it's also stupid in that belief doesn't work that way. If you are convinced something is true, you believe it, it isn't voluntary. At best, you would be pretending to believe in a god, and most religions are pretty clear on how well that works.
 
2022-12-03 9:15:43 PM  

goodluckwiththat: mjjt: goodluckwiththat: for several years JW came to my house every Sat.
One day I asked, why is it that the women do the door-to-door evangelizing, but the men lead the church service?
I was invited to not come back

According to Billy Connolly, the approved way to get rid of JW door knockers is to yell out "I'm naked! And I have an erection!"

difficulty= I don't have the "hard"ware


Buy a strap-on. Answer the door in that, pasties, and nice stockings. Bonus: You make whoever knocks sin in their minds, reducing their chances of going to heaven.
 
2022-12-03 9:51:54 PM  
People with Frontal Lobotomies are 'happier'.
 
2022-12-03 10:03:55 PM  

optikeye: People with Frontal Lobotomies are 'happier'.



I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

(Careful with that joke, it's an antique. Sadly I forget whose.)
 
Azz
2022-12-03 10:04:49 PM  

Great_Milenko: f150: Gullible

A friend is a "born again" type and he's incredibly gullible.  Like most reformed types, he's taking it to extremes.  He hasn't seen a video about Israel and bible prophecy he hasn't liked and shared yet.  As long as it's not coming from the fake news media (what the rest of us call reputable sources of information), he's all in on it.

After the candidate he worked for in the 2022 election was crushed in the polls (and rightly so), he's retreated into a dark place, talking about a spiritual war and a bunch of other stuff that he's been spoon fed by radicals and hate mongers on youtube and facebook groups.  It's starting to concern me.


I have a similar story. A woman I was dating in my early 20s when I was living in Massachusetts (circa mid 2000s) was a feminist, an atheist and a staunch Democrat. I'm a second generation immigrant and she always uses to use my family as an example of the American dream. And now? I looked her up recently and... oh dear. She's gone full MAGA and is a born again Christian. Her Facebook is littered with the usual maga crap like "save the children" and "100% anti Democrat".

I dunno what happens to people to make them regress like that. And so violently to the other side.
 
2022-12-03 10:46:15 PM  

swaniefrmreddeer: I was blacklisted at my old house.


I wonder if they target certain people. There's a JW church near me and I had them come to my door a couple of times but I didn't answer the door. I think I saw them the other day and they walked right by m house and my neighbor's house.  I didn't see them knock on any doors, so maybe they were just dressed like them and seemed to be headed somewhere - ant the JW church is too far for them to walk to.  They don't live in my neighborhood.
 
2022-12-03 10:51:26 PM  
More callipygous.

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2022-12-03 10:54:17 PM  
The young Mormons I occasionally meet on public transit certainly seem happy.  Their expression usually becomes slightly more guarded when I gently ask them if they know what indoctrination means.
 
2022-12-03 11:39:52 PM  

Deathbymeteor: goodluckwiththat: mjjt: goodluckwiththat: for several years JW came to my house every Sat.
One day I asked, why is it that the women do the door-to-door evangelizing, but the men lead the church service?
I was invited to not come back

According to Billy Connolly, the approved way to get rid of JW door knockers is to yell out "I'm naked! And I have an erection!"

difficulty= I don't have the "hard"ware

Well then, take a good roast that you need a good cleaver to work with, use said cleaver on it, wear a nice apron, wipe the cleaver on it every so often, then answer the door.  No one wants to have a conversation at the door with someone wearing a bloody apron and carrying a cleaver.  Trust me.


My son actually did that. He had some beef delivered and was in the process of dividing it up when the doorbell rang. Wearing a bloody apron, rubber gloves on his hands and carrying a butcher's knife he opened the door to see JWs. They took one look and backed away.

Not only didn't they come back but they must have spread the word to other proselytizers and solicitors because LDS and 7th Day Advantists stopped coming by.
 
2022-12-03 11:42:08 PM  

goodluckwiththat: mjjt: goodluckwiththat: for several years JW came to my house every Sat.
One day I asked, why is it that the women do the door-to-door evangelizing, but the men lead the church service?
I was invited to not come back

According to Billy Connolly, the approved way to get rid of JW door knockers is to yell out "I'm naked! And I have an erection!"

difficulty= I don't have the "hard"ware


Based on your profile you should be able to easily prove it to us.

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2022-12-03 11:56:07 PM  

roddikinsathome: mjjt: Had a Baptist GF once who got a huge buzz out of bible meetings, so I had no problem listening to those (they had them in her lounge; I hid out in study next door), even though they never went anywhere near any dangerous texts.
[snip]
There, he was introduced to a congregation of enthusiastic believers who assured him that Jesus would save him and that everything would be magically cured. He woke up the next morning, didn't feel any better, and hung himself

Yesus that story went... places.


This month on Netflix......
 
2022-12-04 12:46:51 AM  

JediKangaroo: madgonad: Pascal's Wager is stupid.

Next time you go out drinking with friends and somebody brings that up you should tell them that if they aren't paying for everyone you might just murder them. One night's drinking is worth a whole lot less than his/her life.

Agreed, but it's also stupid in that belief doesn't work that way. If you are convinced something is true, you believe it, it isn't voluntary. At best, you would be pretending to believe in a god, and most religions are pretty clear on how well that works.


Pascal actually wrote a follow-up piece that addresses this, essentially, "Blaise, buddy, even if I believe your wager, it's not possible to just make myself believe in a god." His response was very much a "fake it 'til you make it" - that if you just start regularly going through all the motions of being a Christian, you'll eventually trick yourself into believing it.

I've found it an incredibly creepy bit of philosophy.
 
2022-12-04 1:08:20 AM  

mjjt: Had a Baptist GF once who got a huge buzz out of bible meetings, so I had no problem listening to those (they had them in her lounge; I hid out in study next door), even though they never went anywhere near any dangerous texts.

I especially enjoyed their teaching that a woman should submit to her man whenever he asked.

But on the negative side, her first husband, like me an atheist, was severely depressed and refusing his meds. She persuaded him to try coming to church with her. There, he was introduced to a congregation of enthusiastic believers who assured him that Jesus would save him and that everything would be magically cured. He woke up the next morning, didn't feel any better, and hung himself


that is so sad. too many people who are lost and in need of help seek same in houses of worship. priests, ministers and the like are not therapists. they are not qualified. a lot of people simply need adult supervision. they need to be brought in for psychiatric assistance. it seems like we have no procedure to get people help. instead it escalates into something ugly and the wrong people get involved.
 
2022-12-04 2:56:10 AM  
From my experience spiritual people are happier, religious people are absolutely terrified balls of anxiety.
 
2022-12-04 3:59:11 AM  
Happier? Not the ones I know. They put on a great act though.
 
2022-12-04 10:22:35 AM  

JediKangaroo: madgonad: Pascal's Wager is stupid.

Next time you go out drinking with friends and somebody brings that up you should tell them that if they aren't paying for everyone you might just murder them. One night's drinking is worth a whole lot less than his/her life.

Agreed, but it's also stupid in that belief doesn't work that way. If you are convinced something is true, you believe it, it isn't voluntary. At best, you would be pretending to believe in a god, and most religions are pretty clear on how well that works.


Here's a little secret.

Nobody actually believes.

They just hope. They are rolling the dice and hoping that they guessed right. Mother-farking Mother Theresa was in this category. I would even suggest that most 'believers' don't really believe. The evangelicals all supported TFG despite every tenet of their religion pointing the other direction. There is no 'belief'. It is all an act or probably more accurately a habit. A habit that coincidentally is aligned with their personal biases.
 
2022-12-04 12:49:13 PM  
In my experience, for all of their talk about how their religion makes them happier people, the more religious a person is, the more unhappy they seem to be. Of course, I was in the Pentecostal/evangelical wing of religion, so that may bias my experience quite a bit.
 
2022-12-04 5:27:16 PM  

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David Mitchell is da bomb.

So much for Star Trek's false dichotomy between cold Vulcan logic and warm human passion.  It is stupid illogical people who are without humour, passion and wonder.

Smart people avoid the pain of all the pretty colors because they hurt their eyes. If your favoutie colour is grey, you might be autistic spectrum.
 
2022-12-04 8:12:39 PM  
I was raised catholic, went through catechism, confirmation and all that. Even was an altar boy, and while my brother or I were never molested, some years later father Sam was relocated to a different diocese for molestation.

Mom was also raised catholic, but had the school with the nuns that hit you with rulers. She is definitely not on board with catholicism, but she keeps it to herself.

And then there's dad, also raised on catholicism in a very large family, so it kind of stuck. Until recent years.

At the end of our indoctrination, my brother started out straight militant atheist, but quickly matured from that. People will shut you right out if you say their god isn't real. I went more the agnostic route if it ever came up, but I did my best to ensure it didn't come up. I still don't believe in a god, but I do believe in being good.

I'm rambling. Anyways, my dad still goes to church every Sunday by himself, but he's definitely seeing some of the flaws in the system, and I hope he doesn't die worrying about some sky fairy judging him.
 
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