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(VideoCardz)   This could be the one and only time that the USA's complete lack of consumer protection laws provides video gamers belated satisfaction: Retailers are not accepting returns on scalped RTX 4080s   (videocardz.com) divider line
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2022-12-03 9:16:24 PM  
I dunno, I'd still prefer some consumer protections, even if they end up being relatively garbage compared to e.g. Europe.

/same thing with stuff like paid paternity leave and paid time off, among other things.
 
2022-12-03 9:57:11 PM  
To be fair, the scalpers can return any RTX 4080 that isn't working for a replacement.

Scalpers should burn in hell.

December 13... we'll get reviews on the RX 7900XTX and hopefully, it will hit well above an RTX 4080 (in rasterization) and give Nvidia a bit of a pause on their anti-consumerism.

I'm hoping it benches well for AI... frankly, I'd like the VRAM. It's more than disappointing that Nvidia suddenly is treating VRAM like it's made of solid platinum. My RTX 3070 would be a decent card for AI... except for the 8GB limitation imposed by Nvidia (this card should have had 12GB). Worst case, I guess I find an RTX 3090 on eBay, but I'd prefer some stepped up performance.
 
2022-12-03 10:07:52 PM  
Meh.

The "gamer culture" is obsessed with resolution and framerates. But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great. Gamers should be more concerned about the fact that the industry has been pretty stagnant for the last decade. At least. Endless sequels, and very little originality.

I would argue that the PS2 and the Nintendo DS were the "last blast" for originality in video games. They both had weird and diverse libraries of games. Now, wnen it comes to "AAA" titles, it's basically "Do you want an FPS, a third-person action game, a third-person RPG, or...actually that's all there is".
 
2022-12-03 10:09:23 PM  
I like how Newegg makes a distinction between "return" and "refund".
 
2022-12-03 10:15:56 PM  

realmolo: Meh.

The "gamer culture" is obsessed with resolution and framerates. But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great. Gamers should be more concerned about the fact that the industry has been pretty stagnant for the last decade. At least. Endless sequels, and very little originality.

I would argue that the PS2 and the Nintendo DS were the "last blast" for originality in video games. They both had weird and diverse libraries of games. Now, wnen it comes to "AAA" titles, it's basically "Do you want an FPS, a third-person action game, a third-person RPG, or...actually that's all there is".


PS4 has plenty of diversity and AAA games. Horizon: Zero Dawn, Subnautica. Bunch of indie developers.

I'm a Terraria fiend, but my heart has a soft spot for Stardew Valley.
 
2022-12-03 10:22:58 PM  

LesserEvil: To be fair, the scalpers can return any RTX 4080 that isn't working for a replacement.

Scalpers should burn in hell.

December 13... we'll get reviews on the RX 7900XTX and hopefully, it will hit well above an RTX 4080 (in rasterization) and give Nvidia a bit of a pause on their anti-consumerism.

I'm hoping it benches well for AI... frankly, I'd like the VRAM. It's more than disappointing that Nvidia suddenly is treating VRAM like it's made of solid platinum. My RTX 3070 would be a decent card for AI... except for the 8GB limitation imposed by Nvidia (this card should have had 12GB). Worst case, I guess I find an RTX 3090 on eBay, but I'd prefer some stepped up performance.


The thing that pisses me off is that I've been waiting for encoder improvements for content creation tools and the only product line with forward looking support is the Intel one. I waited for next gen and now I have to wait another I've because gamers need to jizz harder over 4k framerates and that's more important than anything video editors care about.
 
2022-12-03 10:23:25 PM  

realmolo: Meh.

The "gamer culture" is obsessed with resolution and framerates. But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great. Gamers should be more concerned about the fact that the industry has been pretty stagnant for the last decade. At least. Endless sequels, and very little originality.

I would argue that the PS2 and the Nintendo DS were the "last blast" for originality in video games. They both had weird and diverse libraries of games. Now, wnen it comes to "AAA" titles, it's basically "Do you want an FPS, a third-person action game, a third-person RPG, or...actually that's all there is".


There's no shortage of originality among indie games. While the AAA market stagnates, indie games are thriving.
 
2022-12-03 10:26:01 PM  

studebaker hoch: I like how Newegg makes a distinction between "return" and "refund".


All retailers make that distinction
 
2022-12-03 10:27:47 PM  
As someone who is due for GPU upgrade, I point and laugh at the failing scalpers. I need to do some research into the AMD cards -- I know people were saying that they aren't as good for 3d art because IDK why... Had been figuring I'd stick with Nvidia for at least one more card in hopes AMD would be caught up on all fronts by next upgrade so I didn't have to think about it at all, but even the MSRP on the 30 series is a little offensive -- 40 series isn't in my budget.

I'm just glad my 1660super is working totally fine so there's no rush to find a new one, unlike the one it replaced which was very dead.
 
2022-12-03 10:29:55 PM  

likefunbutnot: LesserEvil: To be fair, the scalpers can return any RTX 4080 that isn't working for a replacement.

Scalpers should burn in hell.

December 13... we'll get reviews on the RX 7900XTX and hopefully, it will hit well above an RTX 4080 (in rasterization) and give Nvidia a bit of a pause on their anti-consumerism.

I'm hoping it benches well for AI... frankly, I'd like the VRAM. It's more than disappointing that Nvidia suddenly is treating VRAM like it's made of solid platinum. My RTX 3070 would be a decent card for AI... except for the 8GB limitation imposed by Nvidia (this card should have had 12GB). Worst case, I guess I find an RTX 3090 on eBay, but I'd prefer some stepped up performance.

The thing that pisses me off is that I've been waiting for encoder improvements for content creation tools and the only product line with forward looking support is the Intel one. I waited for next gen and now I have to wait another I've because gamers need to jizz harder over 4k framerates and that's more important than anything video editors care about.


AV1?

Isn't everyone going to support that
 
2022-12-03 10:31:23 PM  

LesserEvil: To be fair, the scalpers can return any RTX 4080 that isn't working for a replacement.

Scalpers should burn in hell.

December 13... we'll get reviews on the RX 7900XTX and hopefully, it will hit well above an RTX 4080 (in rasterization) and give Nvidia a bit of a pause on their anti-consumerism.

I'm hoping it benches well for AI... frankly, I'd like the VRAM. It's more than disappointing that Nvidia suddenly is treating VRAM like it's made of solid platinum. My RTX 3070 would be a decent card for AI... except for the 8GB limitation imposed by Nvidia (this card should have had 12GB). Worst case, I guess I find an RTX 3090 on eBay, but I'd prefer some stepped up performance.


AMD will be competitive for traditionally rendered games.

And will continue to be terrible for ray tracing.
 
2022-12-03 10:31:52 PM  
Industry rule number 4080
Video card scalpers are shadyyyy
 
2022-12-03 10:32:10 PM  

Gordon Bennett: realmolo: Meh.

The "gamer culture" is obsessed with resolution and framerates. But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great. Gamers should be more concerned about the fact that the industry has been pretty stagnant for the last decade. At least. Endless sequels, and very little originality.

I would argue that the PS2 and the Nintendo DS were the "last blast" for originality in video games. They both had weird and diverse libraries of games. Now, wnen it comes to "AAA" titles, it's basically "Do you want an FPS, a third-person action game, a third-person RPG, or...actually that's all there is".

There's no shortage of originality among indie games. While the AAA market stagnates, indie games are thriving.


Yep. The availability of consumer dev tools and game engines has democratized game development to a large extent. There is a TON of really inventive and high quality indie content out there more than ever before. And all the gaming platform overlords have really been warming to the idea of supporting indie titles, so it isn't hard to find good indie stuff on any platform.
 
2022-12-03 10:35:47 PM  

Gubbo: likefunbutnot: LesserEvil: To be fair, the scalpers can return any RTX 4080 that isn't working for a replacement.

Scalpers should burn in hell.

December 13... we'll get reviews on the RX 7900XTX and hopefully, it will hit well above an RTX 4080 (in rasterization) and give Nvidia a bit of a pause on their anti-consumerism.

I'm hoping it benches well for AI... frankly, I'd like the VRAM. It's more than disappointing that Nvidia suddenly is treating VRAM like it's made of solid platinum. My RTX 3070 would be a decent card for AI... except for the 8GB limitation imposed by Nvidia (this card should have had 12GB). Worst case, I guess I find an RTX 3090 on eBay, but I'd prefer some stepped up performance.

The thing that pisses me off is that I've been waiting for encoder improvements for content creation tools and the only product line with forward looking support is the Intel one. I waited for next gen and now I have to wait another I've because gamers need to jizz harder over 4k framerates and that's more important than anything video editors care about.

AV1?

Isn't everyone going to support that


Not farking yet, unless you go Intel.
 
2022-12-03 10:43:27 PM  

likefunbutnot: Gubbo: likefunbutnot: LesserEvil: To be fair, the scalpers can return any RTX 4080 that isn't working for a replacement.

Scalpers should burn in hell.

December 13... we'll get reviews on the RX 7900XTX and hopefully, it will hit well above an RTX 4080 (in rasterization) and give Nvidia a bit of a pause on their anti-consumerism.

I'm hoping it benches well for AI... frankly, I'd like the VRAM. It's more than disappointing that Nvidia suddenly is treating VRAM like it's made of solid platinum. My RTX 3070 would be a decent card for AI... except for the 8GB limitation imposed by Nvidia (this card should have had 12GB). Worst case, I guess I find an RTX 3090 on eBay, but I'd prefer some stepped up performance.

The thing that pisses me off is that I've been waiting for encoder improvements for content creation tools and the only product line with forward looking support is the Intel one. I waited for next gen and now I have to wait another I've because gamers need to jizz harder over 4k framerates and that's more important than anything video editors care about.

AV1?

Isn't everyone going to support that

Not farking yet, unless you go Intel.


4090 and 4080 both have AV1 support?

Oh are you gonna super technical on a tiny detail
 
2022-12-03 11:17:13 PM  
Holy Carp!!

I was planning on upgrading my graphics card (purchased 2013....) because it's recently been shunted to "legacy" status and is no longer getting driver updates. Having been out of the market for one so long I had no idea these things were do expensive now.
 
2022-12-03 11:31:26 PM  
I got a 2080Ti before the pandemic and the GPU market went crazy. I might upgrade to a 30xx for a possible VR rig.  But I see no need for a 40xx unless i also buy a 4k ultrawide screen monitor to go with it to play a racing game or flight simulator
 
2022-12-03 11:51:57 PM  
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2022-12-03 11:56:38 PM  

realmolo: . But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great.


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2022-12-04 12:22:24 AM  

Meatsim1: realmolo: . But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great.

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You know what we need? A re-release of Skyrim.
 
2022-12-04 12:35:19 AM  

realmolo: Meh.

The "gamer culture" is obsessed with resolution and framerates. But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great. Gamers should be more concerned about the fact that the industry has been pretty stagnant for the last decade. At least. Endless sequels, and very little originality.

I would argue that the PS2 and the Nintendo DS were the "last blast" for originality in video games. They both had weird and diverse libraries of games. Now, wnen it comes to "AAA" titles, it's basically "Do you want an FPS, a third-person action game, a third-person RPG, or...actually that's all there is".


I have friends that still try and do exotic water cooling and such with biggest card they can get and then turn around and only play WoW or such.  Such overkill and power waste.  Same mentality for ppl that buy/use super high end cars for grocery runs.  It's about showing off.

/Do no use cannon to swat mosquito - Confucius.
 
2022-12-04 12:38:17 AM  
All this money to play games that don't even look fun. But the raw rednecking speed looks useful for editing video and making stuff. I might build, or have built, something in the spring with an eye towards editing.
 
2022-12-04 12:39:38 AM  

sitesmithscott: realmolo: Meh.

The "gamer culture" is obsessed with resolution and framerates. But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great. Gamers should be more concerned about the fact that the industry has been pretty stagnant for the last decade. At least. Endless sequels, and very little originality.

I would argue that the PS2 and the Nintendo DS were the "last blast" for originality in video games. They both had weird and diverse libraries of games. Now, wnen it comes to "AAA" titles, it's basically "Do you want an FPS, a third-person action game, a third-person RPG, or...actually that's all there is".

I have friends that still try and do exotic water cooling and such with biggest card they can get and then turn around and only play WoW or such.  Such overkill and power waste.  Same mentality for ppl that buy/use super high end cars for grocery runs.  It's about showing off.

/Do no use cannon to swat mosquito - Confucius.


A mosquito on your balls teaches much about compromise.
 
2022-12-04 1:48:06 AM  

Chemlight Battery: Gordon Bennett: realmolo: Meh.

The "gamer culture" is obsessed with resolution and framerates. But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great. Gamers should be more concerned about the fact that the industry has been pretty stagnant for the last decade. At least. Endless sequels, and very little originality.

I would argue that the PS2 and the Nintendo DS were the "last blast" for originality in video games. They both had weird and diverse libraries of games. Now, wnen it comes to "AAA" titles, it's basically "Do you want an FPS, a third-person action game, a third-person RPG, or...actually that's all there is".

There's no shortage of originality among indie games. While the AAA market stagnates, indie games are thriving.

Yep. The availability of consumer dev tools and game engines has democratized game development to a large extent. There is a TON of really inventive and high quality indie content out there more than ever before. And all the gaming platform overlords have really been warming to the idea of supporting indie titles, so it isn't hard to find good indie stuff on any platform.


I'm all for "indie" stuff, but very little of it has the same production quality of AAA studio games. That's what I'm talking about.

Which proves my point: you don't need monster hardware to run the VAST majority of the popular "indie" games. Which is where all the interesting stuff happens these days, anyway.

Nintendo seems to have figured this out with the Switch, but it might be just an accident. Nintendo never seems to have a good handle on what gamers want, aside from updates to the standard Nintendo franchises. It'll be interesting to see what their next console does as far as indie content goes. If I was them, I would embrace it *all the way*.
 
2022-12-04 2:30:37 AM  

realmolo: Meh.

The "gamer culture" is obsessed with resolution and framerates. But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great. Gamers should be more concerned about the fact that the industry has been pretty stagnant for the last decade. At least. Endless sequels, and very little originality.

I would argue that the PS2 and the Nintendo DS were the "last blast" for originality in video games. They both had weird and diverse libraries of games. Now, wnen it comes to "AAA" titles, it's basically "Do you want an FPS, a third-person action game, a third-person RPG, or...actually that's all there is".


They also have 4x titles like Total War where the AI and pathfinding hasn't improved since Medieval 2 from 2006. But hey new skins!
 
2022-12-04 2:51:56 AM  

realmolo: Meh.

The "gamer culture" is obsessed with resolution and framerates. But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great. Gamers should be more concerned about the fact that the industry has been pretty stagnant for the last decade. At least. Endless sequels, and very little originality.

I would argue that the PS2 and the Nintendo DS were the "last blast" for originality in video games. They both had weird and diverse libraries of games. Now, wnen it comes to "AAA" titles, it's basically "Do you want an FPS, a third-person action game, a third-person RPG, or...actually that's all there is".


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Stagnant!?
 
2022-12-04 2:59:04 AM  

realmolo: Meh.

The "gamer culture" is obsessed with resolution and framerates. But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great.


If you think AAA titles from 2006 don't look any different than current AAA titles you may need glasses, or a newer prescription.
 
2022-12-04 3:05:19 AM  

Neondistraction: realmolo: Meh.

The "gamer culture" is obsessed with resolution and framerates. But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great.

If you think AAA titles from 2006 don't look any different than current AAA titles you may need glasses, or a newer prescription.


they didn't say the same, they said great.  There's a threshold that is pased in that statement, not a ceiling
 
2022-12-04 3:08:15 AM  
I am not understanding the highlighted text "Return for refund within: non-refundable"

Return within what? Cannot parse.
 
2022-12-04 3:58:12 AM  

Neondistraction: realmolo: Meh.

The "gamer culture" is obsessed with resolution and framerates. But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great.

If you think AAA titles from 2006 don't look any different than current AAA titles you may need glasses, or a newer prescription.


Modern games look better, of course. But most of the "better" is targeted towards "realistic". And realism isn't a requirement for a good-looking game. Or a good *playing* game.

"Breath of the Wild" is a beautiful game, and is widely considered one of the greatest games of all-time. Some people consider it *the* greatest. And it runs on the equivalent of semi-high-end smartphone hardware.

I just think it's strange that people worry about making the latest CoD game look more realistic, and ignore the fact that apart from the graphics, they're playing the same game they were playing 15 years ago. Actually, they're playing a game that is *less fun* than what they were playing 15 years ago.

There used to be a term for those people, back in the 16-bit days: graphics whores
 
2022-12-04 4:20:13 AM  

Target Builder: I was planning on upgrading my graphics card (purchased 2013....) because it's recently been shunted to "legacy" status and is no longer getting driver updates. Having been out of the market for one so long I had no idea these things were do expensive now.


To me this seems to be a silly reason to replace a (presumably working) video card. Are you experiencing any video issues that require frequent driver updates? I'm rocking 2560x1440 via hdmi from the on-motherboard Intel card. Works great. Someday I may load the video card expansion slot

I recently purchased a video card for my parents computer. What a mess miners have made of that field. Anything beyond bare bones cards (which I bought) were several hundred dollars and had minimum 2 honking huge fans. Which is why the old card had to be replaced; obscene fan noise
 
2022-12-04 4:26:24 AM  
I could watch botting scalpers lose all day long.
 
2022-12-04 4:33:29 AM  
Looking to upgrade the kids' Nvidia 1060 to an AMD 6600 shortly, it's an older SFF PC with a proprietary PSU and mobo.

Something about tariffs possibly going into effect next year on GPU and other electronics.
 
2022-12-04 4:36:37 AM  

Klom Dark: I am not understanding the highlighted text "Return for refund within: non-refundable"

Return within what? Cannot parse.


its where they would have the time limit, aka return within 10 business days or something like that
 
2022-12-04 5:32:42 AM  

kittyhas1000legs: Meatsim1: realmolo: . But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great.

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You know what we need? A re-release of Skyrim.


On Keurig machines.
 
2022-12-04 6:31:42 AM  

realmolo: Meh.

The "gamer culture" is obsessed with resolution and framerates. But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great. Gamers should be more concerned about the fact that the industry has been pretty stagnant for the last decade. At least. Endless sequels, and very little originality.

I would argue that the PS2 and the Nintendo DS were the "last blast" for originality in video games. They both had weird and diverse libraries of games. Now, wnen it comes to "AAA" titles, it's basically "Do you want an FPS, a third-person action game, a third-person RPG, or...actually that's all there is".


The issue is that to create a 3d game actually requires more budget than a feature film. A feature film can at least control where the camera is going to go, so they don't need to decorate the back of the set.

While there were a few 3d titles for the older platforms, most games were side scrollers, isometric projection, or some other flat format. While this limited the visual presentation, it allowed (I would argue demanded) the developers to spend more time on the game play mechanics.

I'm the developer for a naval simulation to pay the mortgage. It is 30 year old program written in C and Tcl. I calculate crew movement in 2+1 dimensions. Crew move in X and Y, but they can only move in Z to change decks on ladders and staircases.

This sounds completely archaic, but think about how real people move around. We don't levitate. We don't fly. We only really change floors on a building via a staircase or an elevator or a ladder.

Simplifying the degrees of freedom that crew can travel allows us to produce realistic movement on top-down general arrangements drawing. We also model complex behaviors like firefighting and prying open doors to rescue trapped personnel or restore a key system.

We have a 3d viewing mode that is barely used, except to map fires and flooding. Because those model genuinely *do* operate in 3 dimensions. But most of the reports we send to customers, are 2d maps with boxes for devices and little blue dots for people.
 
2022-12-04 6:34:19 AM  

kittyhas1000legs: Meatsim1: realmolo: . But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great.

[lparchive.org image 850x637]

You know what we need? A re-release of Skyrim.


(Arathorn:) But you've already HAD a release of Skyrim.
 
2022-12-04 6:36:00 AM  
Nvidia is doing it's part to fight scalpers.
By raising the prices of their GPUs to scalper levels.

Fu*k Nvidia.
 
2022-12-04 7:40:10 AM  
The highest spec 4080 should have been $500, who could have ever foreseen that by and large people wouldn't pay $1200 or more for it? And nVidia screwing people with having no 4070 available after trying to tease a 4080 labeled 4070 for $900 before cancelling it to sell more $1200 cards... I can't imagine any reason nVidia would have trouble moving units.

It's almost like nVidia only planned on it being purchased by the stupidest most reckless gamers with money to burn and thought their major market was going to be crypto miners. Whoopsie. Someone forgot that mining and pandemic gouging couldn't last forever.

Anything to hurt the scalpers it's worth it.
 
2022-12-04 8:02:06 AM  

Evil Twin Skippy: kittyhas1000legs: Meatsim1: realmolo: . But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great.

[lparchive.org image 850x637]

You know what we need? A re-release of Skyrim.

(Arathorn:) But you've already HAD a release of Skyrim.


Announcing Skyrim: RTX 4080 Edition.... only to be released after the Skyrim: RTX 4090 Edition this week.
 
2022-12-04 8:21:21 AM  

realmolo: Meh.

The "gamer culture" is obsessed with resolution and framerates. But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great. Gamers should be more concerned about the fact that the industry has been pretty stagnant for the last decade. At least. Endless sequels, and very little originality.

I would argue that the PS2 and the Nintendo DS were the "last blast" for originality in video games. They both had weird and diverse libraries of games. Now, wnen it comes to "AAA" titles, it's basically "Do you want an FPS, a third-person action game, a third-person RPG, or...actually that's all there is".


OK, Boomer.
 
2022-12-04 8:34:19 AM  

realmolo: Modern games look better, of course. But most of the "better" is targeted towards "realistic". And realism isn't a requirement for a good-looking game. Or a good *playing* game.


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Runs on MS-DOS ferchrissakes.
 
2022-12-04 9:17:17 AM  

sitesmithscott: realmolo: Meh.

The "gamer culture" is obsessed with resolution and framerates. But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great. Gamers should be more concerned about the fact that the industry has been pretty stagnant for the last decade. At least. Endless sequels, and very little originality.

I would argue that the PS2 and the Nintendo DS were the "last blast" for originality in video games. They both had weird and diverse libraries of games. Now, wnen it comes to "AAA" titles, it's basically "Do you want an FPS, a third-person action game, a third-person RPG, or...actually that's all there is".

I have friends that still try and do exotic water cooling and such with biggest card they can get and then turn around and only play WoW or such.  Such overkill and power waste.  Same mentality for ppl that buy/use super high end cars for grocery runs.  It's about showing off.

/Do no use cannon to swat mosquito - Confucius.


I got lucky and snagged a 4080 at retail price on a restock day.

I'm rolling through RDR2, 2077, KCD, Witcher 3, and a few other games already with a 32" 144hz 4K screen.  And I still have to turn down some of the settings.  But my frame rates are way up, and it's stunningly gorgeous and smooth.  I also have a good mechanical keyboard, a great mouse, and a SecretLabs chair.  Kliosch R3 speakers and a Creative Labs sound card provide the sound.

My concubines make sure I never need anything to eat or drink, and my hover-carrier ensures I have a smooth ride wherever I want to go.  The power armor means I can jump off when I need to.

Crap, I need to wake up and go to work.  Well ... that was a nice dream.
 
2022-12-04 9:26:56 AM  

kittyhas1000legs: Meatsim1: realmolo: . But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great.

[lparchive.org image 850x637]

You know what we need? A re-release of Skyrim.


Yeah, only let's set it.... IN SPAAAAAAAAAACE!

\Starfield actually looks pretty good
\\ It'll probably get review bombed for not playing at 60fps in 8k.
 
2022-12-04 9:38:57 AM  

The Reverend Sam Hill: realmolo: Modern games look better, of course. But most of the "better" is targeted towards "realistic". And realism isn't a requirement for a good-looking game. Or a good *playing* game.

[Fark user image 640x300]

Runs on MS-DOS ferchrissakes.


My favorite game of all time. In 30 years, I beat it twice.
 
2022-12-04 10:12:21 AM  
I feel like such a pauper in these threads.

I am still working with a GeForce GT 720. At least I can play Civilization III still.

Was playing Rocket League on my computer at the most min settings, but can no longer do that.

Was surprised the Nintendo Switch I got for my kids last year cannot even play Rocket League on good settings.

I imagine seeing the shadow of the ball would help
oh well.
 
2022-12-04 10:30:55 AM  

Gubbo: LesserEvil: To be fair, the scalpers can return any RTX 4080 that isn't working for a replacement.

Scalpers should burn in hell.

December 13... we'll get reviews on the RX 7900XTX and hopefully, it will hit well above an RTX 4080 (in rasterization) and give Nvidia a bit of a pause on their anti-consumerism.

I'm hoping it benches well for AI... frankly, I'd like the VRAM. It's more than disappointing that Nvidia suddenly is treating VRAM like it's made of solid platinum. My RTX 3070 would be a decent card for AI... except for the 8GB limitation imposed by Nvidia (this card should have had 12GB). Worst case, I guess I find an RTX 3090 on eBay, but I'd prefer some stepped up performance.

AMD will be competitive for traditionally rendered games.

And will continue to be terrible for ray tracing.


Which buys you what?  A few more places shiny where the graphics engine didn't find it, and cuts you framerate in half?  Maybe there will be more retro-ports (like Quake 2) that will be amazing, but I haven't heard of them (where HL&HL2?).  There's a reason that even movie titles aren't raytraced: it isn't a very good way to render.  It is a very expensive way to calculate amazing lighting with limited input, and has somehow morphed into this mythical "end all and be all of graphics".

It comes down to a developer's decision to use a modern game engine (presumably Unreal) or something primitive that lets the GPU do the heavy lifting via raytracing.  And it doesn't look like raytracing is the answer.

I think it makes more sense to buy a nvidia card for the superior streaming capacity.  Not that I know why people seem to think that other people want to watch them game, but somehow that is a major selling point.
 
2022-12-04 10:40:19 AM  

Phil McKraken: The Reverend Sam Hill: realmolo: Modern games look better, of course. But most of the "better" is targeted towards "realistic". And realism isn't a requirement for a good-looking game. Or a good *playing* game.

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Runs on MS-DOS ferchrissakes.

My favorite game of all time. In 30 years, I beat it twice.


Most people who platy the lotto don't win a game in their whole lives. ;)
 
2022-12-04 11:26:37 AM  

realmolo: Meh.

The "gamer culture" is obsessed with resolution and framerates. But since about 2006 or so, *every game* looks pretty great. Gamers should be more concerned about the fact that the industry has been pretty stagnant for the last decade. At least. Endless sequels, and very little originality.

I would argue that the PS2 and the Nintendo DS were the "last blast" for originality in video games. They both had weird and diverse libraries of games. Now, wnen it comes to "AAA" titles, it's basically "Do you want an FPS, a third-person action game, a third-person RPG, or...actually that's all there is".


If you like Sim Games it's never been better.

Cities Skylines, planet zoo, etc amazing!
 
2022-12-04 11:30:43 AM  

Phil McKraken: The Reverend Sam Hill: realmolo: Modern games look better, of course. But most of the "better" is targeted towards "realistic". And realism isn't a requirement for a good-looking game. Or a good *playing* game.

[Fark user image 640x300]

Runs on MS-DOS ferchrissakes.

My favorite game of all time. In 30 years, I beat it twice.


I miss that game.

If we boxed that thing we could sell it like an old handheld football game from the 80's
 
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