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2022-12-03 11:01:54 AM  
That's where I draw the line.

If I walk up to a counter and all the employee does is take my money and hand me something there ain't no tip. They literally did the bare minimum. Am I tipping them for not spitting in it?

I know I may catch shiat for this but so be it.

/ The minimum wage should be high enough to pay a cashier properly
 
2022-12-03 11:17:15 AM  
I wonder how much of a cut Starbucks takes? Like at the end of the week, they have $2000 in tips and 500 worked hours, does everybody get an extra $4 an hour or is Starbucks withholding taxes, charging an administration fee, taking a cut for the store and owner, and in the end the employees get an extra $0.50 and a tax bill as if they made an extra $4 per hour?
 
2022-12-03 12:03:32 PM  
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2022-12-03 12:53:41 PM  

Private_Citizen: I wonder how much of a cut Starbucks takes? Like at the end of the week, they have $2000 in tips and 500 worked hours, does everybody get an extra $4 an hour or is Starbucks withholding taxes, charging an administration fee, taking a cut for the store and owner, and in the end the employees get an extra $0.50 and a tax bill as if they made an extra $4 per hour?


At least in California those actions by Starbucks would be illegal
 
2022-12-03 2:51:54 PM  
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2022-12-03 2:52:52 PM  
This has nothing to do with Starbucks. This is from the POS system used by a log of places.

Also, stop complaining about tipping. Either do it or don't. If you don't like to tip at full service places stay home and cook. If you don't want to tip for takeout, don't.
 
2022-12-03 2:53:28 PM  
while i don't tip because i live in a country with a reasonable minimum wage, I would only tip in cash so the server actually gets it.

but also the people saying "why would i tip, i haven't even received my drink yet" go fark yourselves, tipping is you subsidizing staff for underpaying employers, stop pretending it's a "reward" for good service
 
2022-12-03 3:12:58 PM  
Subby you evil 😈
 
2022-12-03 3:19:49 PM  

SpectroBoy: That's where I draw the line.

If I walk up to a counter and all the employee does is take my money and hand me something there ain't no tip. They literally did the bare minimum. Am I tipping them for not spitting in it?


Tips are split between everyone working, based on hours worked.  You're also tipping the guy who has to follow the 5 custom steps to make your "signature" drink (collective you).

Private_Citizen: I wonder how much of a cut Starbucks takes?


Zero.  As noted above, 100% of tips are divided amongst employees based on % of total hours worked for the week.  Managers and asst. managers do not share tips, but shift supervisors do.
 
2022-12-03 3:24:37 PM  

SpectroBoy: That's where I draw the line.

If I walk up to a counter and all the employee does is take my money and hand me something there ain't no tip. They literally did the bare minimum. Am I tipping them for not spitting in it?

I know I may catch shiat for this but so be it.

/ The minimum wage should be high enough to pay a cashier properly


but in the meantime you're happy to exploit the workers who have to suffer under the system you continue to use.
 
2022-12-03 3:36:28 PM  

replacementcool: SpectroBoy: That's where I draw the line.

If I walk up to a counter and all the employee does is take my money and hand me something there ain't no tip. They literally did the bare minimum. Am I tipping them for not spitting in it?

I know I may catch shiat for this but so be it.

/ The minimum wage should be high enough to pay a cashier properly

but in the meantime you're happy to exploit the workers who have to suffer under the system you continue to use.


Cashiers make minimum wage. Wait staff do not.
 
2022-12-03 3:36:39 PM  

sirrerun: This has nothing to do with Starbucks. This is from the POS system used by a log of places.


That's in both definitions of "POS".
 
2022-12-03 3:37:17 PM  

replacementcool: while i don't tip because i live in a country with a reasonable minimum wage, I would only tip in cash so the server actually gets it.

but also the people saying "why would i tip, i haven't even received my drink yet" go fark yourselves, tipping is you subsidizing staff for underpaying employers, stop pretending it's a "reward" for good service


See, Here in America the Powers That Be decided that a minimum wage was a good idea- for poor white people. They invented tipping so they could legally pay a much smaller minimum wage for African-Americans working in the service industry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/opinion/minimum-wage-racism.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/16/fact-check-tipping-kept-wages-low-formerly-enslaved-black-workers/3896620001/
 
2022-12-03 3:47:35 PM  

sirrerun: This has nothing to do with Starbucks. This is from the POS system used by a log of places.


That's the POS system that Starbucks chose to use, so yes I will put the blame on them.
 
2022-12-03 3:53:45 PM  
"19 [dollars] for two lattes and then you wanna ask for tip Starbucks?"

It's coffee and milk. Why is it $9.50 per drink?
 
2022-12-03 3:55:21 PM  
They'd probably make more money if there was an option to round up to the next dollar
 
2022-12-03 4:19:17 PM  

sirrerun: This has nothing to do with Starbucks. This is from the POS system used by a log of places.

Also, stop complaining about tipping. Either do it or don't. If you don't like to tip at full service places stay home and cook. If you don't want to tip for takeout, don't.


Yes, only a couple companies make these POS systems and then every single company shares them.  It's done as cheaply and uniformly as possible.

And yeah, it annoys the hell out of me that people complain about this crap.  Some people like to tip.  It allows them the option.  If you don't want to, press no tip, you cheapskate.  Or, I dunno, make your own goddamn coffee.  It's like 25c a cup even for the high-end stuff.  But people are lazy idiots, so I guess it's no surprise that they're so lazy they can't even press the no tip button.

/It's probably worse than the idiots who claim they're going to cancel Netflix and start committing felonies to pirate stuff because they simply offered the OPTION of adding ads for a cheaper price.
 
2022-12-03 4:30:19 PM  

sirrerun: This has nothing to do with Starbucks. This is from the POS system used by a log of places.


I don't think this could possibly be true. Starbucks is a major retailer, and definitely has the pull to get their very own version of software running on any POS system they use. Most of those will include simple settings to do things like disable tip prompts or alter the default amounts, with no need for any non-standard software or hardware.

I was doing that 25 years ago for tiny retailers and transaction processors. Starbucks has a market cap that is on the order of the big credit card companies and banks, they are not possibly restricted to off-the-shelf systems or even pricing.
 
2022-12-03 4:37:09 PM  
Allergic to coffee so I've never been in a Starbucks.  Can't even walk down the coffee aisle in a food market.
 
2022-12-03 4:41:25 PM  
Conservatives: you don't deserve wages, live off tips
Workers: ok
Conservatives: noooo fair
 
2022-12-03 5:01:27 PM  

Cajnik: "19 [dollars] for two lattes and then you wanna ask for tip Starbucks?"

It's coffee and milk. Why is it $9.50 per drink?


Because this person is lying
 
2022-12-03 5:01:28 PM  

2wolves: Allergic to coffee so I've never been in a Starbucks.  Can't even walk down the coffee aisle in a food market.


Rash?
Hives?
Anaphylaxis?

The mind boggles.
 
2022-12-03 5:10:45 PM  

jake3988: sirrerun: This has nothing to do with Starbucks. This is from the POS system used by a log of places.

Also, stop complaining about tipping. Either do it or don't. If you don't like to tip at full service places stay home and cook. If you don't want to tip for takeout, don't.

Yes, only a couple companies make these POS systems and then every single company shares them.  It's done as cheaply and uniformly as possible.

And yeah, it annoys the hell out of me that people complain about this crap.  Some people like to tip.  It allows them the option.  If you don't want to, press no tip, you cheapskate.  Or, I dunno, make your own goddamn coffee.  It's like 25c a cup even for the high-end stuff.  But people are lazy idiots, so I guess it's no surprise that they're so lazy they can't even press the no tip button.

/It's probably worse than the idiots who claim they're going to cancel Netflix and start committing felonies to pirate stuff because they simply offered the OPTION of adding ads for a cheaper price.


Do you mean these people
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2022-12-03 5:15:09 PM  
We could get rid of tipping if we paid people livable wages. There's no political will to do that, though.
 
2022-12-03 5:27:41 PM  

sirrerun: This has nothing to do with Starbucks. This is from the POS system used by a log of places.

Also, stop complaining about tipping. Either do it or don't. If you don't like to tip at full service places stay home and cook. If you don't want to tip for takeout, don't.


Fuk you
If  you are at Starbucks, they are making a wage and this bs is added

If you are eating out, your server is making 2.13 an hour(Bryan, the same amount I did in 2000 when I waited tables) plus tips, cause they decided that the shiatholes who employs you shouldn't have to pay you
 
2022-12-03 5:34:50 PM  

Private_Citizen: I wonder how much of a cut Starbucks takes? Like at the end of the week, they have $2000 in tips and 500 worked hours, does everybody get an extra $4 an hour or is Starbucks withholding taxes, charging an administration fee, taking a cut for the store and owner, and in the end the employees get an extra $0.50 and a tax bill as if they made an extra $4 per hour?


It is illegal for an owner/management to take a cut of the tips.

/ Of course that doesn't mean it isn't happening, but it's a slam-dunk for backpay if any employee ever takes them to court over it
 
2022-12-03 5:38:24 PM  

ZMugg: 2wolves: Allergic to coffee so I've never been in a Starbucks.  Can't even walk down the coffee aisle in a food market.

Rash?
Hives?
Anaphylaxis?

The mind boggles.


Rash and some anaphylaxis.  Used to have an epipen on me at all times.  It's gotten less worse.
 
2022-12-03 5:51:13 PM  

2wolves: ZMugg: 2wolves: Allergic to coffee so I've never been in a Starbucks.  Can't even walk down the coffee aisle in a food market.

Rash?
Hives?
Anaphylaxis?

The mind boggles.

Rash and some anaphylaxis.  Used to have an epipen on me at all times.  It's gotten less worse.


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My condolences.
 
2022-12-03 5:59:40 PM  
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Yeah, it's a real barn burner.
 
2022-12-03 6:38:59 PM  

baka-san: If  you are at Starbucks, they are making a wage


Is it a livable one?
 
2022-12-03 6:56:50 PM  

replacementcool: while i don't tip because i live in a country with a reasonable minimum wage


$11.50 USD is reasonable?
 
2022-12-03 7:07:31 PM  
This is why any/every Starbucks order I do is made through the app. I can submit it and not have to face a human where they judge me about tipping.
 
2022-12-03 7:08:25 PM  
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2022-12-03 7:14:57 PM  
Simple solution:
1. Buy a portable hot beverage cup with lid
2. Buy a coffeemaker with espresso and steamed milk attachment
3. Make coffee at home

I'm actually serious. I farkin' hate almost all coffee shop coffee, chain or local. It's always harsh and bitter. At home, I can make it just the way I want it. And yeah, it's way too farkin' expensive. The only cheap cup o' Joe is at a greasy spoon breakfast place and that's if you drink three cups with free refills.

Finally, when the fark did coffee become a "specialty drink" calling for the same skill set as a proper Old Fashioned or Manhattan. It's farkin' coffee!

If you have not seen this, this is kinda my take on the issue. And this is seriously NSFW language.

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2022-12-03 7:22:05 PM  
I ain't tipping no recommended 40 percent no matter what Farkers think .
 
2022-12-03 7:35:54 PM  

johnny_vegas: replacementcool: while i don't tip because i live in a country with a reasonable minimum wage

$11.50 USD is reasonable?


minimum wage in my country is 13.30 USD, and while it's not a living wage, it's livable. especially since we don't have to waste money on health insurance because we have a universal healthcare
 
2022-12-03 7:58:22 PM  

replacementcool: johnny_vegas: replacementcool: while i don't tip because i live in a country with a reasonable minimum wage

$11.50 USD is reasonable?

minimum wage in my country is 13.30 USD, and while it's not a living wage, it's livable. especially since we don't have to waste money on health insurance because we have a universal healthcare


What's the tax rate on that 13.30?   What country also?
 
2022-12-03 8:33:59 PM  

mrmopar5287: This is why any/every Starbucks order I do is made through the app. I can submit it and not have to face a human where they judge me about tipping.


Now they will know that you didn't tip as soon as they received the order to make your sandwich, so they can start judging you the entire time you're still waiting in line.
 
2022-12-03 8:41:54 PM  
"19 [dollars] for two lattes and then you wanna ask for tip Starbucks?" Amira Younis, a 21-year-old Virginia Tech student, tweeted in frustration."

That's on you, bro.  I buy a can of HyVee coffee for like $7-$8 that lasts me a month.  But you do you I guess... 🙄
 
2022-12-03 8:45:10 PM  

Excelsior: they can start judging you the entire time you're still waiting in line


Maybe the solution to this is to put the tipping at the end of the transaction, where the order is delivered. Make it similar to restaurants with eat-in dining. That way, I can decide to tip if my food or beverage is delivered in a timely manner. Expedite my order and get a tip; delay it and you get nothing.
 
2022-12-03 8:50:38 PM  

johnny_vegas: replacementcool: johnny_vegas: replacementcool: while i don't tip because i live in a country with a reasonable minimum wage

$11.50 USD is reasonable?

minimum wage in my country is 13.30 USD, and while it's not a living wage, it's livable. especially since we don't have to waste money on health insurance because we have a universal healthcare

What's the tax rate on that 13.30?   What country also?


on minimum wage tax rate would be about 17.5% here in nz.
 
2022-12-03 8:58:45 PM  

mrmopar5287: Excelsior: they can start judging you the entire time you're still waiting in line

Maybe the solution to this is to put the tipping at the end of the transaction, where the order is delivered. Make it similar to restaurants with eat-in dining. That way, I can decide to tip if my food or beverage is delivered in a timely manner. Expedite my order and get a tip; delay it and you get nothing.


That's exactly how it works if you pay in cash at ordering time. you order, they make food, you pay/tip, and you get the food.  Ordering through the app makes you pay + tip before anything is done, so if anything it makes the "problem" worse.
 
2022-12-03 9:01:08 PM  

replacementcool: johnny_vegas: replacementcool: johnny_vegas: replacementcool: while i don't tip because i live in a country with a reasonable minimum wage

$11.50 USD is reasonable?

minimum wage in my country is 13.30 USD, and while it's not a living wage, it's livable. especially since we don't have to waste money on health insurance because we have a universal healthcare

What's the tax rate on that 13.30?   What country also?

on minimum wage tax rate would be about 17.5% here in nz.


The tax burden for you is 19.1% but that is still pretty impressive, considering the social safety nets provided.
Regardless, I would say a minimum wage that does not provide a living wage should not be thought of as reasonable
 
2022-12-03 9:08:55 PM  

austerity101: baka-san: If  you are at Starbucks, they are making a wage

Is it a livable one?


They probably make more than you.
 
2022-12-03 9:11:08 PM  

johnny_vegas: replacementcool: johnny_vegas: replacementcool: johnny_vegas: replacementcool: while i don't tip because i live in a country with a reasonable minimum wage

$11.50 USD is reasonable?

minimum wage in my country is 13.30 USD, and while it's not a living wage, it's livable. especially since we don't have to waste money on health insurance because we have a universal healthcare

What's the tax rate on that 13.30?   What country also?

on minimum wage tax rate would be about 17.5% here in nz.

The tax burden for you is 19.1% but that is still pretty impressive, considering the social safety nets provided.
Regardless, I would say a minimum wage that does not provide a living wage should not be thought of as reasonable


living wage here is 23.65, while minimum wage is 21.20. And even just calling it the tax "burden" is right wing proganda.
 
2022-12-03 9:16:53 PM  

Excelsior: That's exactly how it works if you pay in cash at ordering time. you order, they make food, you pay/tip, and you get the food.  Ordering through the app makes you pay + tip before anything is done, so if anything it makes the "problem" worse.


Those are the same thing. At the point of ordering, even if paying cash, they want the monetary transaction completed before beginning preparation of your food.
 
2022-12-03 9:23:33 PM  

replacementcool: And even just calling it the tax "burden" is right wing proganda.


Oh shiat you're one of those!
Bye!!!
 
2022-12-03 9:25:25 PM  

johnny_vegas: replacementcool: And even just calling it the tax "burden" is right wing proganda.

Oh shiat you're one of those!
Bye!!!


Someone who recognises that taxes aren't a punishment but something that pay for things I use, aka civilization? Yeah fark me
 
2022-12-03 10:59:41 PM  

SpectroBoy: That's where I draw the line.

If I walk up to a counter and all the employee does is take my money and hand me something there ain't no tip. They literally did the bare minimum. Am I tipping them for not spitting in it?

I know I may catch shiat for this but so be it.

/ The minimum wage should be high enough to pay a cashier properly


The cannabis store where I shop used to have budtenders who would use chopsticks and weigh out however much you wanted and I would tip them because they always erred in my favor.   They had a margin of error which they had to stick to, but instead of being a couple of tenths of a gram short, they'd always make sure they were over.

The store got sold to new owners and now everything is prepackaged and I do not tip anymore even though they still have tip jars.
 
2022-12-03 11:31:15 PM  
Why can't they have a card reader for tipping when u pick up your drink?
 
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