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(CNBC)   Bad: You got laid off from your tech job. Worse: You've got 60 days to find a new one or get deported   (cnbc.com) divider line
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2022-12-02 2:24:48 PM  
H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low and create an underclass of workers that are often abused by the companies that employee them. Any large company contracts this labor through agencies so their hands stay clean.

We never said they had to work 80 hours a week. They do that because they love the job!

I've work along side a lot of H1B's and have met and worked with some wonderful people. I have mixed feelings about it.
 
2022-12-02 2:36:50 PM  
It's also not good for your bargaining position when a company knows you're going to get deported if you don't accept the salary they're offering.

If you're competing for a job with someone in that situation, it's not good for your bargaining position either.
 
2022-12-02 3:03:10 PM  
Someday we should get out of the slave business entirely.

But then the rich people would have to pay American workers to build their phones and keep their networks running. And WE CANT HAVE THAT
 
2022-12-02 3:11:17 PM  

physt: H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low and create an underclass of workers that are often abused by the companies that employee them. Any large company contracts this labor through agencies so their hands stay clean.

We never said they had to work 80 hours a week. They do that because they love the job!

I've work along side a lot of H1B's and have met and worked with some wonderful people. I have mixed feelings about it.


Might be the one thing Trump did right. The H1B program has been abused by tech companies for years. There are plenty of qualified Americans willing to work for a fair wage. You can't hire people with college loans for 3rd world salaries.
 
2022-12-02 3:15:56 PM  

physt: H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low and create an underclass of workers that are often abused by the companies that employee them. Any large company contracts this labor through agencies so their hands stay clean.

We never said they had to work 80 hours a week. They do that because they love the job!

I've work along side a lot of H1B's and have met and worked with some wonderful people. I have mixed feelings about it.


Yeah, tech salaries are soooo artificially low. ::rollseyes::🙄
 
2022-12-02 3:20:16 PM  
China is hiring
 
2022-12-02 3:20:19 PM  

mr0x: physt: H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low and create an underclass of workers that are often abused by the companies that employee them. Any large company contracts this labor through agencies so their hands stay clean.

We never said they had to work 80 hours a week. They do that because they love the job!

I've work along side a lot of H1B's and have met and worked with some wonderful people. I have mixed feelings about it.

Yeah, tech salaries are soooo artificially low. ::rollseyes::🙄


My company had to give out a round of raises this year because they were paying the people SO LOW that corporate was facing some kind of issue. And these people HATE giving out any money. Ever. For anything.

I see plenty of my H1B coworkers trying to live in metro denver on ~$70k? or less? Adults in their 30s having to have roomates like they're in college just to come out with anything for yourself.

You know not everyone is a principal architect for a successful startup in Silicon Valley, right?
 
2022-12-02 3:24:45 PM  

physt: H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low and create an underclass of workers that are often abused by the companies that employee them. Any large company contracts this labor through agencies so their hands stay clean.

We never said they had to work 80 hours a week. They do that because they love the job!

I've work along side a lot of H1B's and have met and worked with some wonderful people. I have mixed feelings about it.


H1B hate, the socially acceptable tech racism.

If you remove FAANG salaries, which the average tech worker isn't getting either, H1B costs to the company are pretty in line with pay for their area. Now, the contracting company may be stiffing the worker, but a contracting company will be stiffing Americans too.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-H1B-Salary-by-State

The H1B program needs a lot of overhaul, but the 'they took our jerbs' screaming isn't true. Also, there aren't enough of them to make a real dent in salaries. The US tech industry employs roughly 12.2 million workers as of 2020, there are about 580k H1B's in the US. H1B's make up about 5% of the technology labour force.
 
2022-12-02 3:27:23 PM  

MurphyMurphy: I see plenty of my H1B coworkers trying to live in metro denver on ~$70k? or less? Adults in their 30s having to have roomates like they're in college just to come out with anything for yourself.


I'll admit to not living there, but just a cursory search is showing me plenty of at least decent looking apartments that should be affordable for one person making $70k a year.
 
2022-12-02 3:28:28 PM  

MurphyMurphy: mr0x: physt: H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low and create an underclass of workers that are often abused by the companies that employee them. Any large company contracts this labor through agencies so their hands stay clean.

We never said they had to work 80 hours a week. They do that because they love the job!

I've work along side a lot of H1B's and have met and worked with some wonderful people. I have mixed feelings about it.

Yeah, tech salaries are soooo artificially low. ::rollseyes::🙄

My company had to give out a round of raises this year because they were paying the people SO LOW that corporate was facing some kind of issue. And these people HATE giving out any money. Ever. For anything.

I see plenty of my H1B coworkers trying to live in metro denver on ~$70k? or less? Adults in their 30s having to have roomates like they're in college just to come out with anything for yourself.

You know not everyone is a principal architect for a successful startup in Silicon Valley, right?


Is 70K too low for people in their 30s?
 
2022-12-02 3:29:28 PM  

SMB2811: H1B hate, the socially acceptable tech racism.


What are you talking about? Acknowledging a problem that definitely exists isn't bigotry.

I do not blame any H1B person coming here to better their lives for this situation. They're no different than me. Labor. We're all labor.

I blame the soulless cocksuckers that can't part with one iota of their bloated compensations that BUILT this problem in the first place. The people who's profits and salaries sky rocket every goddamn year while they do their damndest to make sure none of it ever trickles down.

We're devouring our own nation for the unchecked abject greed of a very VERY small minority.
Take that "racism" shiat and tell your story walking.
 
2022-12-02 3:29:29 PM  
Yup, my wife called this last week, when he realized he had all of those contractors he could terminate the contracts of. If they lose the sponsorship, they're farked. Contract work just screws the contractor over.
 
2022-12-02 3:33:56 PM  

SMB2811: physt: H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low and create an underclass of workers that are often abused by the companies that employee them. Any large company contracts this labor through agencies so their hands stay clean.

We never said they had to work 80 hours a week. They do that because they love the job!

I've work along side a lot of H1B's and have met and worked with some wonderful people. I have mixed feelings about it.

H1B hate, the socially acceptable tech racism.

If you remove FAANG salaries, which the average tech worker isn't getting either, H1B costs to the company are pretty in line with pay for their area. Now, the contracting company may be stiffing the worker, but a contracting company will be stiffing Americans too.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-H1B-Salary-by-State

The H1B program needs a lot of overhaul, but the 'they took our jerbs' screaming isn't true. Also, there aren't enough of them to make a real dent in salaries. The US tech industry employs roughly 12.2 million workers as of 2020, there are about 580k H1B's in the US. H1B's make up about 5% of the technology labour force.


At my old company, we had to say no to multi-million dollar projects because we couldn't find people to work on those projects.

At this time, it's not about low salaries but finding people with enough skill level to get the project done.
 
2022-12-02 3:35:51 PM  
mr0x:

Is 70K too low for people in their 30s?

That's not the question.

The question is, why are engineers, with 10 years engineering experience, still receiving entry-level range salaries?

While the companies they make it all happen for, break new records every year for how much they shovel into stock buybacks that only benefit the top and the sit-at-homes.
 
2022-12-02 3:37:04 PM  
I would like to see these sort of people (highly trained in needed tech fields) able to get standard green cards so they could eventually become citizens.  But most of them aren't WASPs, so I guess not.
 
2022-12-02 3:37:15 PM  

MurphyMurphy: SMB2811: H1B hate, the socially acceptable tech racism.

What are you talking about?


"H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low"

There are a lot of visas, but it's not 'foreigners,' that would be to obvious, but the brown people, the H1B's, they are the problem. That's not a statement of 'bad corporations' and it never is.

And just like 'the jews rule the world' isn't true, neither is the statement H1B's keep salaries low, but they're both a statement by a bigot.
 
2022-12-02 3:43:26 PM  
Just get a job as interning for Majorie Traitor Green

It helped Yolo Minneapolis keep his visa active

/unfortunately
 
2022-12-02 3:46:49 PM  

MurphyMurphy: mr0x:

Is 70K too low for people in their 30s?

That's not the question.

The question is, why are engineers, with 10 years engineering experience, still receiving entry-level range salaries?

While the companies they make it all happen for, break new records every year for how much they shovel into stock buybacks that only benefit the top and the sit-at-homes.


If a company is employing someone with 10 years of experience for entry level salaries, the company is the idiot.

That guy will move as soon as a better opportunity comes along and they lose a valuable engineer who knows the system, or that the engineer is not a good engineer who can't find a better opportunity and the company is paying too much anyways.

It takes 6-12 months for the engineer to fully understand and be productive with the system. You hire an engineer knowing that the first 6-12 months is just him/her learning and getting familiar with the system. You don't want to lose them after that.
 
2022-12-02 3:48:04 PM  
<RANT>

Ive been in IT for almost 30 years.  Back in the day we would hire "smart kids" and train them up, let them learn, let them fail/ screw up and build them up.    Then about 10-15 years ago that all went away and it was just poaching talent from other orgs.    So now I am SR in my career and we dont have the manpower as we dont have enough trained folks.   Colleges/ Universities cant keep up and dont provide day 1 skills.  Currently we have had a rec open for over a year, and out last hire took like 8 months.

Companies are doing this to themselves by once again be short sighted.

</RANT>
 
2022-12-02 3:48:11 PM  

Geotpf: I would like to see these sort of people (highly trained in needed tech fields) able to get standard green cards so they could eventually become citizens.  But most of them aren't WASPs, so I guess not.


Historically, that was common. I have a lot of coworkers who came to the US in the 1990s on H1B visas and now are full citizens, via green cards sponsored by my company. Some of them went to college in the US, some didn't, and they come from all over (Canada, India, Malaysia, to name a few). They're paid the same as everyone else. This is much less common now; mostly companies hire contractors through InfoSys etc. and the visa isn't even tied to the employee, it's controlled by the contracting company, as is their pay.
 
2022-12-02 3:53:19 PM  
H1B's are not intended, and should not be treated, as stepping stones to permanent status nor as routine pools for normal labor. Their intended purpose is to address critical labor shortages and unique skill needs, like if we don't have expertise in a new industrial field.

Treating H1B's as a reliable source of cheap labor or entering into one under the belief it's an emigration path are going to result in poor outcomes for the workers in question. If you've got an H1B, don't take the job and bring your family expecting to make a long term go of it, that's not what it's designed for.
 
2022-12-02 3:53:46 PM  

mr0x: MurphyMurphy: mr0x:

Is 70K too low for people in their 30s?

That's not the question.

The question is, why are engineers, with 10 years engineering experience, still receiving entry-level range salaries?

While the companies they make it all happen for, break new records every year for how much they shovel into stock buybacks that only benefit the top and the sit-at-homes.

If a company is employing someone with 10 years of experience for entry level salaries, the company is the idiot.

That guy will move as soon as a better opportunity comes along and they lose a valuable engineer who knows the system, or that the engineer is not a good engineer who can't find a better opportunity and the company is paying too much anyways.

It takes 6-12 months for the engineer to fully understand and be productive with the system. You hire an engineer knowing that the first 6-12 months is just him/her learning and getting familiar with the system. You don't want to lose them after that.


You understand!

The people running the companies do not. Perhaps you heard of the term 'great resignation'?
That was what we labeled just a tiny percentage of those people leaving for better opportunities.

Corporate America couldn't process it (as their paychecks are dependent on keeping payroll costs as low as possible) so they called it a phenomenon, viewed it as force majure, and proceeded to learn nothing.
 
2022-12-02 4:01:56 PM  

SMB2811: physt: H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low and create an underclass of workers that are often abused by the companies that employee them. Any large company contracts this labor through agencies so their hands stay clean.

We never said they had to work 80 hours a week. They do that because they love the job!

I've work along side a lot of H1B's and have met and worked with some wonderful people. I have mixed feelings about it.

H1B hate, the socially acceptable tech racism.

If you remove FAANG salaries, which the average tech worker isn't getting either, H1B costs to the company are pretty in line with pay for their area. Now, the contracting company may be stiffing the worker, but a contracting company will be stiffing Americans too.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-H1B-Salary-by-State

The H1B program needs a lot of overhaul, but the 'they took our jerbs' screaming isn't true. Also, there aren't enough of them to make a real dent in salaries. The US tech industry employs roughly 12.2 million workers as of 2020, there are about 580k H1B's in the US. H1B's make up about 5% of the technology labour force.


I had a boss once tell a coworker who was on an H1-b that they weren't getting a raise because the company was paying for their Green Card.

He also once handed me a stack of resumes to interview and said "pick some of the Asian ones, I can get them cheaper".

/Fortune 50, I stayed because I was paid very well.
 
2022-12-02 4:04:59 PM  

SMB2811: MurphyMurphy: SMB2811: H1B hate, the socially acceptable tech racism.

What are you talking about?

"H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low"

There are a lot of visas, but it's not 'foreigners,' that would be to obvious, but the brown people, the H1B's, they are the problem. That's not a statement of 'bad corporations' and it never is.

And just like 'the jews rule the world' isn't true, neither is the statement H1B's keep salaries low, but they're both a statement by a bigot.


The problem is visas are tied to companies and not individuals.  They should be tied to a qualified individual and they allowed to seek the highest bidder for their work.

In other news, the allotment of H1-b was filled several months ago for 2023. No doubt, many of the companies laying off employees this year will be hiring H1-b workers next year.
 
2022-12-02 4:21:21 PM  

SMB2811: If you remove FAANG salaries, which the average tech worker isn't getting either, H1B costs to the company are pretty in line with pay for their area. Now, the contracting company may be stiffing the worker, but a contracting company will be stiffing Americans too.


But the similarly qualified Americans aren't so desperate for employment that they will go work for these contractors mostly.

zbtop: H1B's are not intended, and should not be treated, as stepping stones to permanent status nor as routine pools for normal labor. Their intended purpose is to address critical labor shortages and unique skill needs, like if we don't have expertise in a new industrial field.

Treating H1B's as a reliable source of cheap labor or entering into one under the belief it's an emigration path are going to result in poor outcomes for the workers in question. If you've got an H1B, don't take the job and bring your family expecting to make a long term go of it, that's not what it's designed for.


citation needed on the "H1Bs are not intended as stepping stones to permanent status"?
de facto it has been for many years although the time to receive the green card has increased.

mr0x: That guy will move as soon as a better opportunity comes along

the H1B cannot do this, this is critical to the subject of the debate...
 
2022-12-02 4:24:56 PM  

SMB2811: MurphyMurphy: SMB2811: H1B hate, the socially acceptable tech racism.

What are you talking about?

"H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low"

There are a lot of visas, but it's not 'foreigners,' that would be to obvious, but the brown people, the H1B's, they are the problem. That's not a statement of 'bad corporations' and it never is.

And just like 'the jews rule the world' isn't true, neither is the statement H1B's keep salaries low, but they're both a statement by a bigot.



Everybody deserves an opportunity to be exploited, oppressed, and subjected to systemic racism in Gilead.

More low wage workers are the key to solving poverty and inequality in America. The more low wage workers the corporations import, the better off we all will be.

Just ask the corporations, and they will tell you the same thing. More low wage workers will allow the corporations to stop raising prices.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/economy/chamber-of-commerce-inflation/index.html

And the CEO's agree to importing more low wage workers is better than raising wages.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/dominos-ceo-us-needs-more-immigration-to-address-worker-shortages.html

The only people that disagree with this are racists.
 
2022-12-02 4:29:02 PM  

proteus_b: mr0x: That guy will move as soon as a better opportunity comes along
the H1B cannot do this, this is critical to the subject of the debate...


Yep, they can. There was a brief time 10-15 years or so ago when they couldn't but not any more.

In fact, I've worked with many who have moved.

Weirdly, a lot of local engineers are less mobile because they want stay where they are because of family and friends.
 
2022-12-02 4:29:07 PM  

CCNP: SMB2811: MurphyMurphy: SMB2811: H1B hate, the socially acceptable tech racism.

What are you talking about?

"H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low"

There are a lot of visas, but it's not 'foreigners,' that would be to obvious, but the brown people, the H1B's, they are the problem. That's not a statement of 'bad corporations' and it never is.

And just like 'the jews rule the world' isn't true, neither is the statement H1B's keep salaries low, but they're both a statement by a bigot.


Everybody deserves an opportunity to be exploited, oppressed, and subjected to systemic racism in Gilead.

More low wage workers are the key to solving poverty and inequality in America. The more low wage workers the corporations import, the better off we all will be.

Just ask the corporations, and they will tell you the same thing. More low wage workers will allow the corporations to stop raising prices.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/economy/chamber-of-commerce-inflation/index.html

And the CEO's agree to importing more low wage workers is better than raising wages.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/dominos-ceo-us-needs-more-immigration-to-address-worker-shortages.html

The only people that disagree with this are racists.


I mean, you literally are giving the reasons people give for "build the wall" to not sound racist. Also, immigration would be a way to solve the labor shortage. It isn't an outrageous statement.
 
2022-12-02 4:33:23 PM  
Go home so we can hire you as a remote worker at half what we paid you here but will make you a king over there.
 
2022-12-02 4:43:59 PM  

proteus_b: SMB2811: If you remove FAANG salaries, which the average tech worker isn't getting either, H1B costs to the company are pretty in line with pay for their area. Now, the contracting company may be stiffing the worker, but a contracting company will be stiffing Americans too.

But the similarly qualified Americans aren't so desperate for employment that they will go work for these contractors mostly.


Way to focus on the part that is immaterial to the H1B's are lowering salaries claim.

Also, 'those contractors' are pretty much all contracting companies, so ya they will.
 
2022-12-02 4:45:25 PM  
How does getting an H1b visa let you bring your Mom & Dad over here? Just wondering.
 
2022-12-02 4:47:51 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: SMB2811: physt: H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low and create an underclass of workers that are often abused by the companies that employee them. Any large company contracts this labor through agencies so their hands stay clean.

We never said they had to work 80 hours a week. They do that because they love the job!

I've work along side a lot of H1B's and have met and worked with some wonderful people. I have mixed feelings about it.

H1B hate, the socially acceptable tech racism.

If you remove FAANG salaries, which the average tech worker isn't getting either, H1B costs to the company are pretty in line with pay for their area. Now, the contracting company may be stiffing the worker, but a contracting company will be stiffing Americans too.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-H1B-Salary-by-State

The H1B program needs a lot of overhaul, but the 'they took our jerbs' screaming isn't true. Also, there aren't enough of them to make a real dent in salaries. The US tech industry employs roughly 12.2 million workers as of 2020, there are about 580k H1B's in the US. H1B's make up about 5% of the technology labour force.

I had a boss once tell a coworker who was on an H1-b that they weren't getting a raise because the company was paying for their Green Card.

He also once handed me a stack of resumes to interview and said "pick some of the Asian ones, I can get them cheaper".

/Fortune 50, I stayed because I was paid very well.


That's like saying, pick someone who graduated from community college because I can get them cheaper than someone who graduated from a private school.

Hiring someone is case by case basis, not statistical.
 
2022-12-02 4:50:15 PM  

TDWCom29: CCNP: SMB2811: MurphyMurphy: SMB2811: H1B hate, the socially acceptable tech racism.

What are you talking about?

"H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low"

There are a lot of visas, but it's not 'foreigners,' that would be to obvious, but the brown people, the H1B's, they are the problem. That's not a statement of 'bad corporations' and it never is.

And just like 'the jews rule the world' isn't true, neither is the statement H1B's keep salaries low, but they're both a statement by a bigot.


Everybody deserves an opportunity to be exploited, oppressed, and subjected to systemic racism in Gilead.

More low wage workers are the key to solving poverty and inequality in America. The more low wage workers the corporations import, the better off we all will be.

Just ask the corporations, and they will tell you the same thing. More low wage workers will allow the corporations to stop raising prices.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/economy/chamber-of-commerce-inflation/index.html

And the CEO's agree to importing more low wage workers is better than raising wages.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/dominos-ceo-us-needs-more-immigration-to-address-worker-shortages.html

The only people that disagree with this are racists.

I mean, you literally are giving the reasons people give for "build the wall" to not sound racist. Also, immigration would be a way to solve the labor shortage. It isn't an outrageous statement.


More low wage Immigration is certainly a more profitable solution to labor shortages than raising wages.

It's no wonder they are the CEO's because they are so smart, right? Maybe the corporations and CEO's really are on our side after all, huh? Who knew?

I have been buying stocks like crazy. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. When the corporations get exactly what they want, I know it's gonna be profitable.
 
2022-12-02 4:52:51 PM  

vonster: How does getting an H1b visa let you bring your Mom & Dad over here? Just wondering.


It doesn't. A H1B holder can access a long term tourist visa for their parents to visit for up to 6 months. Anyone who sponsored their parents for a visa to the US is not in the US under any visa, they're a US Citizen or a Green Card holder.
 
2022-12-02 4:54:47 PM  

TDWCom29: CCNP: SMB2811: MurphyMurphy: SMB2811: H1B hate, the socially acceptable tech racism.

What are you talking about?

"H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low"

There are a lot of visas, but it's not 'foreigners,' that would be to obvious, but the brown people, the H1B's, they are the problem. That's not a statement of 'bad corporations' and it never is.

And just like 'the jews rule the world' isn't true, neither is the statement H1B's keep salaries low, but they're both a statement by a bigot.


Everybody deserves an opportunity to be exploited, oppressed, and subjected to systemic racism in Gilead.

More low wage workers are the key to solving poverty and inequality in America. The more low wage workers the corporations import, the better off we all will be.

Just ask the corporations, and they will tell you the same thing. More low wage workers will allow the corporations to stop raising prices.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/economy/chamber-of-commerce-inflation/index.html

And the CEO's agree to importing more low wage workers is better than raising wages.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/dominos-ceo-us-needs-more-immigration-to-address-worker-shortages.html

The only people that disagree with this are racists.

I mean, you literally are giving the reasons people give for "build the wall" to not sound racist. Also, immigration would be a way to solve the labor shortage. It isn't an outrageous statement.


No, they're treating the claim that the H1B program lowers tech wages like it's true. It's not, and they're just full of shiat.
 
2022-12-02 4:56:20 PM  

SMB2811: vonster: How does getting an H1b visa let you bring your Mom & Dad over here? Just wondering.

It doesn't. A H1B holder can access a long term tourist visa for their parents to visit for up to 6 months. Anyone who sponsored their parents for a visa to the US is not in the US under any visa, they're a US Citizen or a Green Card holder.


Only US citizens can petition another relative to become a resident of the US.

First priority is spouse. Other relatives like siblings, parents are also possible but very very low priority. Can take decades.
 
2022-12-02 4:58:34 PM  

SMB2811: No, they're treating the claim that the H1B program lowers tech wages like it's true. It's not, and they're just full of shiat.


Well, I figured that once I saw the one guy say someone making $70k in Denver had to have roommates and never responded when I said "Uh, that's can't be true".
 
2022-12-02 5:07:46 PM  

mr0x: SMB2811: vonster: How does getting an H1b visa let you bring your Mom & Dad over here? Just wondering.

It doesn't. A H1B holder can access a long term tourist visa for their parents to visit for up to 6 months. Anyone who sponsored their parents for a visa to the US is not in the US under any visa, they're a US Citizen or a Green Card holder.

Only US citizens can petition another relative to become a resident of the US.

First priority is spouse. Other relatives like siblings, parents are also possible but very very low priority. Can take decades.


Sorry, yep, misread that document. H1b's (and most other work visas) can bring immediate family during their visas validity, Green Card Holders can sponsor spouse and adult child for an immigrant visa, Citizens can sponsor other family members for an immigrant visa.

It's not worth it if your from a western nation.
 
2022-12-02 5:07:48 PM  

mr0x: SMB2811: vonster: How does getting an H1b visa let you bring your Mom & Dad over here? Just wondering.

It doesn't. A H1B holder can access a long term tourist visa for their parents to visit for up to 6 months. Anyone who sponsored their parents for a visa to the US is not in the US under any visa, they're a US Citizen or a Green Card holder.

Only US citizens can petition another relative to become a resident of the US.

First priority is spouse. Other relatives like siblings, parents are also possible but very very low priority. Can take decades.


It's working out well for the H1B'ers brought over to run IT for large financial and insurance outfits in Bloomington, IL.
 
2022-12-02 5:15:05 PM  

vonster: How does getting an H1b visa let you bring your Mom & Dad over here? Just wondering.


You can only bring your parents over if you get an "Einstein visa" for taking off your clothes and grabbing your pussy.
 
2022-12-02 5:26:06 PM  
This happened to a friend of mine, I cannot recall which tech co he was working for, paypal maybe.  Anyway he couldn't get an extension even though he had like 2 offers pending (It takes longer when a hire has visa requirements to satisfy) and had worked in the US for 4 years, and had an American fiancee.  They deported him, he and his gal couldn't make it work long distance (She had a career track job with a different tech firm) and he wound up staying in the Netherlands, marrying a local girl, and getting a half-mil/year executive job at Mckinsey Consulting.  Complete loss for American economics and smarts-DNA, and the reason we should be fast-tracking those folks for citizenship, not hurried deportation after a job completion.
 
2022-12-02 5:31:39 PM  

yahyahyah: It's also not good for your bargaining position when a company knows you're going to get deported if you don't accept the salary they're offering.

If you're competing for a job with someone in that situation, it's not good for your bargaining position either.


Salary isn't usually the hangup in negotiations with H1Bs
 
2022-12-02 5:34:02 PM  

mr0x: MurphyMurphy: mr0x: physt: H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low and create an underclass of workers that are often abused by the companies that employee them. Any large company contracts this labor through agencies so their hands stay clean.

We never said they had to work 80 hours a week. They do that because they love the job!

I've work along side a lot of H1B's and have met and worked with some wonderful people. I have mixed feelings about it.

Yeah, tech salaries are soooo artificially low. ::rollseyes::🙄

My company had to give out a round of raises this year because they were paying the people SO LOW that corporate was facing some kind of issue. And these people HATE giving out any money. Ever. For anything.

I see plenty of my H1B coworkers trying to live in metro denver on ~$70k? or less? Adults in their 30s having to have roomates like they're in college just to come out with anything for yourself.

You know not everyone is a principal architect for a successful startup in Silicon Valley, right?

Is 70K too low for people in their 30s?


In tech? Yes.
 
2022-12-02 5:38:17 PM  

mr0x: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: SMB2811: physt: H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low and create an underclass of workers that are often abused by the companies that employee them. Any large company contracts this labor through agencies so their hands stay clean.

We never said they had to work 80 hours a week. They do that because they love the job!

I've work along side a lot of H1B's and have met and worked with some wonderful people. I have mixed feelings about it.

H1B hate, the socially acceptable tech racism.

If you remove FAANG salaries, which the average tech worker isn't getting either, H1B costs to the company are pretty in line with pay for their area. Now, the contracting company may be stiffing the worker, but a contracting company will be stiffing Americans too.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-H1B-Salary-by-State

The H1B program needs a lot of overhaul, but the 'they took our jerbs' screaming isn't true. Also, there aren't enough of them to make a real dent in salaries. The US tech industry employs roughly 12.2 million workers as of 2020, there are about 580k H1B's in the US. H1B's make up about 5% of the technology labour force.

I had a boss once tell a coworker who was on an H1-b that they weren't getting a raise because the company was paying for their Green Card.

He also once handed me a stack of resumes to interview and said "pick some of the Asian ones, I can get them cheaper".

/Fortune 50, I stayed because I was paid very well.

That's like saying, pick someone who graduated from community college because I can get them cheaper than someone who graduated from a private school.

Hiring someone is case by case basis, not statistical.


You should find out how statistics are compiled.
 
2022-12-02 5:39:30 PM  

SMB2811: physt: H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low and create an underclass of workers that are often abused by the companies that employee them. Any large company contracts this labor through agencies so their hands stay clean.

We never said they had to work 80 hours a week. They do that because they love the job!

I've work along side a lot of H1B's and have met and worked with some wonderful people. I have mixed feelings about it.

H1B hate, the socially acceptable tech racism.

If you remove FAANG salaries, which the average tech worker isn't getting either, H1B costs to the company are pretty in line with pay for their area. Now, the contracting company may be stiffing the worker, but a contracting company will be stiffing Americans too.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-H1B-Salary-by-State

The H1B program needs a lot of overhaul, but the 'they took our jerbs' screaming isn't true. Also, there aren't enough of them to make a real dent in salaries. The US tech industry employs roughly 12.2 million workers as of 2020, there are about 580k H1B's in the US. H1B's make up about 5% of the technology labour force.


Any such study should take into account naturalized citizens that were sponsored H1Bs. That sponsorship is one of the big draws for employment and is of genuine benefit to both sides. However, companies don't suddenly bump their H1Bs up to average American salaries for the position once they gain citizenship. Believe it or not companies shy away from that altruism
 
2022-12-02 5:43:13 PM  

Mikey1969: Yup, my wife called this last week, when he realized he had all of those contractors he could terminate the contracts of. If they lose the sponsorship, they're farked. Contract work just screws the contractor over.


And a lot of times you've brought them through an agency with which you have a contract-to-FTE type relationship. The problem is that it bringing an H1B to perm can be tricky depending on where they are at in the process because of switching sponsorship
 
2022-12-02 5:44:21 PM  

mr0x: SMB2811: physt: H1B's keep tech salaries artificially low and create an underclass of workers that are often abused by the companies that employee them. Any large company contracts this labor through agencies so their hands stay clean.

We never said they had to work 80 hours a week. They do that because they love the job!

I've work along side a lot of H1B's and have met and worked with some wonderful people. I have mixed feelings about it.

H1B hate, the socially acceptable tech racism.

If you remove FAANG salaries, which the average tech worker isn't getting either, H1B costs to the company are pretty in line with pay for their area. Now, the contracting company may be stiffing the worker, but a contracting company will be stiffing Americans too.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-H1B-Salary-by-State

The H1B program needs a lot of overhaul, but the 'they took our jerbs' screaming isn't true. Also, there aren't enough of them to make a real dent in salaries. The US tech industry employs roughly 12.2 million workers as of 2020, there are about 580k H1B's in the US. H1B's make up about 5% of the technology labour force.

At my old company, we had to say no to multi-million dollar projects because we couldn't find people to work on those projects.

At this time, it's not about low salaries but finding people with enough skill level to get the project done.


If you don't mind me asking, how long ago and which roles did you find particularly tough?
 
2022-12-02 5:48:08 PM  

mr0x: MurphyMurphy: mr0x:

Is 70K too low for people in their 30s?

That's not the question.

The question is, why are engineers, with 10 years engineering experience, still receiving entry-level range salaries?

While the companies they make it all happen for, break new records every year for how much they shovel into stock buybacks that only benefit the top and the sit-at-homes.

If a company is employing someone with 10 years of experience for entry level salaries, the company is the idiot.

That guy will move as soon as a better opportunity comes along and they lose a valuable engineer who knows the system, or that the engineer is not a good engineer who can't find a better opportunity and the company is paying too much anyways.

It takes 6-12 months for the engineer to fully understand and be productive with the system. You hire an engineer knowing that the first 6-12 months is just him/her learning and getting familiar with the system. You don't want to lose them after that.


If that company is sponsoring that employee, the employee isn't going anywhere. They are effectively indentured
 
2022-12-02 6:00:22 PM  

BlazeTrailer: yahyahyah: It's also not good for your bargaining position when a company knows you're going to get deported if you don't accept the salary they're offering.

If you're competing for a job with someone in that situation, it's not good for your bargaining position either.

Salary isn't usually the hangup in negotiations with H1Bs


I'm glad to hear everyone is able to maximize their earning potential and is compensated properly for their time. So often situations like this are systemically manipulated in ways that do not benefit the wage earner.
 
2022-12-02 6:08:29 PM  
No one has mentioned the existing workers that are forced to train the H1B people that they will lose their job to...
 
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