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(Mother Jones)   Can you put down your lobster butter to save the whales?   (motherjones.com) divider line
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2022-12-02 8:44:32 AM  
SAVE the whales? I thought it was SHAVE the whales.

/Puts away razor
 
2022-12-02 10:08:38 AM  
If the Pandemic has proved anything people won't do a damn thing to look after other people, let alone animals out there in the environment well beyond most of our ken. The biosphere is collapsing because of it. It's just the tragedy of the commons yet again.
 
2022-12-02 10:11:07 AM  
Sounds logical to me.  Also, lobster is really, really overrated.
 
2022-12-02 10:11:20 AM  
That depends. What does right whale taste like?
 
2022-12-02 10:11:48 AM  
lobster are 90% next to shore in 30-60 feet of water.
There are zero whales in 30-60 feet of water.
That would be like finding a "phantom Russian submarine" in 30-60 feet of water.
 
2022-12-02 10:12:48 AM  
 
2022-12-02 10:13:31 AM  

big pig peaches: That depends. What does right whale taste like?


The same as left whale, only mirrored.
 
2022-12-02 10:15:35 AM  
lobster is just over-priced, vaguely seafood flavored tofu.
 
2022-12-02 10:17:15 AM  

Creoena: Sounds logical to me.  Also, lobster is really, really overrated.


I enjoy lobster on rare occasions, but if I could never eat it again, it would be fine with me.
 
2022-12-02 10:18:11 AM  
My family only eats lobster tail from the Gulf of Mexico. So, I guess we're good to go.
 
2022-12-02 10:19:24 AM  
Lobster always seemed wasteful to me anyway.  Kill the animal and only eat the tail.

I suppose it's no worse than crawfish and shrimp, but it seems like it is somehow.
 
2022-12-02 10:19:45 AM  

p51d007: Well, at least Biden & company ate good!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/biden-state-dinner-serves-lobster-la-controversy-rcna59639


What a bunch of whiny biatches lobstermen are
 
2022-12-02 10:20:49 AM  

wingedkat: Lobster always seemed wasteful to me anyway.  Kill the animal and only eat the tail.

I suppose it's no worse than crawfish and shrimp, but it seems like it is somehow.


That's why I only eat the left claw and throw them back alive.
 
2022-12-02 10:22:06 AM  

wingedkat: Lobster always seemed wasteful to me anyway.  Kill the animal and only eat the tail.

I suppose it's no worse than crawfish and shrimp, but it seems like it is somehow.


Clearly you've never been to the Maritimes. Claws, nuckles, little feet, row, and my grandmother's farourite part, the weird green paste in the body.
 
2022-12-02 10:29:26 AM  

nemisonic: lobster are 90% next to shore in 30-60 feet of water.
There are zero whales in 30-60 feet of water.
That would be like finding a "phantom Russian submarine" in 30-60 feet of water.


Hmmm, who to trust?  A random person with an opinion or marine biologists who have studied whales.  It is a conundrum.
 
2022-12-02 10:31:22 AM  
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2022-12-02 10:42:43 AM  
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2022-12-02 10:42:44 AM  
Hey pretty Mama save the whales!
Yeah save those big fat funky whales
But...shoot the seals
 
2022-12-02 10:48:53 AM  

Nurglitch: If the Pandemic has proved anything people won't do a damn thing to look after other people, let alone animals out there in the environment well beyond most of our ken. The biosphere is collapsing because of it. It's just the tragedy of the commons yet again.


I imagine the conversation goes something like:

"Would you agree it's good for people to eat less lobster if that helps the ecosystem."
"Yes"
"So would you like to order something besides lobster?"
"No, I always eat lobster."
"Okay, but there are dozens of other foods you like, what if you pick one of those instead?"
"...No, I always eat lobster."
 
2022-12-02 10:49:55 AM  
I cannnot bring myself to eat crustaceans because of the cruel, painful death of slowly boiling them alive. Puts me right off the food. I haven't eaten any for years.

That, and the fact that they are basically bugs. Tasty bugs yes, but Eww.
 
2022-12-02 10:55:50 AM  
Towards the end of the article it says that there is a technological solution to the problem. There are traps that don't rely on attachment to a floating bouy. Seems like instead of defunding the Monterey aquarium the Maine legislature should offer grants to lobstermen to buy the new gear.
 
2022-12-02 10:57:20 AM  

wingedkat: Lobster always seemed wasteful to me anyway.  Kill the animal and only eat the tail.

I suppose it's no worse than crawfish and shrimp, but it seems like it is somehow.


There's a lot more than tail (and claws) to eat on a lobster.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/foods/tomalley-lobster-maine
 
2022-12-02 10:57:40 AM  
Lobsters are just endangered giant ocean cockroaches.

The endangered giant ocean spiders taste better.
 
2022-12-02 10:58:30 AM  
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2022-12-02 11:05:17 AM  
As a Mainer myself I fully support the saving of the whales at the expense of our lobster industry.
 
2022-12-02 11:06:38 AM  
Sell the lobstah boats, buy submersibles to replace the rope and traps, charge more for the lobster, and Bob's your uncle.
 
2022-12-02 11:07:44 AM  

RolandTGunner: Lobsters are just endangered giant ocean cockroaches.

The endangered giant ocean spiders taste better.


The American lobster isn't endangered.  It's a species of least concern according to the IUCN.
 
2022-12-02 11:10:37 AM  

thealgorerhythm: wingedkat: Lobster always seemed wasteful to me anyway.  Kill the animal and only eat the tail.

I suppose it's no worse than crawfish and shrimp, but it seems like it is somehow.

That's why I only eat the left claw and throw them back alive.


Mmmmmm...stone crab.
 
2022-12-02 11:10:40 AM  

Xythero: Towards the end of the article it says that there is a technological solution to the problem. There are traps that don't rely on attachment to a floating bouy. Seems like instead of defunding the Monterey aquarium the Maine legislature should offer grants to lobstermen to buy the new gear.



Huh? Maine doesn't fund an aquarium in California.

Also, the new gear is 100X more expensive. We're talking $100 a lobster trap to $4K a trap. And they are allowed to have 800 traps per boat.  So thats about $3 million per boat. There are 4500 lobster boats in Maine.
Thats $14 Billion.

I mean, I guess the state could put off buying Twitter. Oh wait, that was everything else the state does. Maine's budget is $12 billion....

Unless the government wants to step in, this won't be happening soon.
 
2022-12-02 11:12:43 AM  
It's still amusing to think about the fact that lobster was a "poor person's food".

IIRC, there are people who grew up on the East Coast, and as kids, they were too embarrassed to tell anyone that they ate lobster at home.
 
2022-12-02 11:27:45 AM  

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2022-12-02 11:28:16 AM  

Publikwerks: Xythero: Towards the end of the article it says that there is a technological solution to the problem. There are traps that don't rely on attachment to a floating bouy. Seems like instead of defunding the Monterey aquarium the Maine legislature should offer grants to lobstermen to buy the new gear.


Huh? Maine doesn't fund an aquarium in California.

The article says that Maine's congressional delegation submitted a bill to cut the aquarium's federal funding after it released it's report on lobsters.

      Also, the new gear is 100X more expensive.

They don't have to cover 100% of costs or do it all at once.  They could phase in the new traps, first requiring them in areas most likely to be trafficked by whales and slowly expanding the requirement.  It will be expensive, but how much will it cost to close down and entire industry?  The ripple effects would be devastating not just to the fishermen but to whole communities.
 
2022-12-02 11:39:09 AM  

Xythero: Publikwerks: Xythero: Towards the end of the article it says that there is a technological solution to the problem. There are traps that don't rely on attachment to a floating bouy. Seems like instead of defunding the Monterey aquarium the Maine legislature should offer grants to lobstermen to buy the new gear.


Huh? Maine doesn't fund an aquarium in California.
The article says that Maine's congressional delegation submitted a bill to cut the aquarium's federal funding after it released it's report on lobsters.

     Also, the new gear is 100X more expensive.

They don't have to cover 100% of costs or do it all at once.  They could phase in the new traps, first requiring them in areas most likely to be trafficked by whales and slowly expanding the requirement.  It will be expensive, but how much will it cost to close down and entire industry?  The ripple effects would be devastating not just to the fishermen but to whole communities.


You're onto something. As the whales are endangered, Maine could apply for matching federal grants. Let's assume the safer traps are $4K. Maine chips in $1500 and the feds chip in $1500. Now, each trap costs the fisherman $1,000. No longer allow the old traps to be sold. Couple that with a fine for not replacing ten percent of a party's traps with the new, safer traps each year. Within a decade, only the safer traps remain.
 
2022-12-02 11:45:13 AM  
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2022-12-02 11:49:21 AM  
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2022-12-02 11:56:39 AM  

nemisonic: lobster are 90% next to shore in 30-60 feet of water.
There are zero whales in 30-60 feet of water.
That would be like finding a "phantom Russian submarine" in 30-60 feet of water.


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2022-12-02 11:57:14 AM  
We do need to conserve our supply of clean burning, renewable whale oil.
 
2022-12-02 12:00:05 PM  
Seems like lobster traps ain't killing whales so I don't see how this is an issue. Never heard of such a thing happening and I've know independent lobster fisherman in Maine for many years. "In the last six years, vessel strikes, entanglements in fishing gear, or other unknown causes have killed or injured at least 92 whales," Then it goes on to say none are linked to lobster fishing. It's probably shady as fark Asian/Russian fishing boats. Typical far left over the top ban all the things panic. Vegan peta type hate the thought of boiling bugs alive and have been anti lobster eating forever, bet a dollar this is just part of that.
 
2022-12-02 12:06:55 PM  
More like wrong whale.
 
2022-12-02 12:07:18 PM  
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"How many mines are in the field?"

"900,000"
 
2022-12-02 12:22:53 PM  
I've had lobster twice in my life, I thought the effort outweighed the enjoyment of the food.

/first time was at Disney and I had to admit to the waitress I had absolutely no idea how to get thru the shell - they brought it back and the kitchen staff did it so I didn't sit there looking like a fool.
 
2022-12-02 12:24:47 PM  

EvilEgg: nemisonic: lobster are 90% next to shore in 30-60 feet of water.
There are zero whales in 30-60 feet of water.
That would be like finding a "phantom Russian submarine" in 30-60 feet of water.

Hmmm, who to trust?  A random person with an opinion or marine biologists who have studied whales.  It is a conundrum.


OK. I used to run a 100 pot line in Cape Cod Bay. Not too deep and never saw a whale.. You happy now?
 
2022-12-02 12:39:25 PM  
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2022-12-02 1:21:11 PM  

Nurglitch: If the Pandemic has proved anything people won't do a damn thing to look after other people, let alone animals out there in the environment well beyond most of our ken. The biosphere is collapsing because of it. It's just the tragedy of the commons yet again.


Considering that people defend spending as little as possible on moderation of content/comments I'm not surprised.  This is no different than dolphins in nets. Business people and the people carry water for them; all cry about doing the right thing cost money. Cry cry cry.
Cry it's impossible.  Cry it's expensive.  Cry i want it now. Cry.
farking stupid
 
2022-12-02 1:31:08 PM  
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2022-12-02 1:52:47 PM  
So it's clear that these whales are in deep trouble, but are Maine's lobster fishers directly responsible for any of these entanglements or deaths? Data is too limited to tell

Boy, they sure buried THAT shiat. 1,163 Words in, they finally admit that this shiat is all just speculation.
 
2022-12-02 1:55:02 PM  
Way ahead of you. I don't eat shellfish.
 
2022-12-02 3:14:49 PM  

The_Sponge: It's still amusing to think about the fact that lobster was a "poor person's food".

IIRC, there are people who grew up on the East Coast, and as kids, they were too embarrassed to tell anyone that they ate lobster at home.


If I recall, it was fed to convicts.
 
2022-12-02 3:48:26 PM  

Bruscar: My family only eats lobster tail from the Gulf of Mexico. So, I guess we're good to go.


You really should try the claws.
 
2022-12-02 4:33:08 PM  
When I was about 4 all I would eat when we went out was a hotdog, then we went to a resteraunt that didn't have hotdogs and I threw  a  fit so my Dad made a rule that you ate what was served.  That summer we went to Massachusetts and went to a place on  a dock that served lobster fresh off the boat.  I couldn't pick my own so I asked for a mean one, the guy gave me the biggest lobster  in the tank.  I didn't know what to  do so I looked at my older sisters and just followed them, had my first bite of lobster and fell in love and I devoured the whole thing.  Meanwhile my Dad was fuming at the guy for giving me the giant lobster, and was amazed when he checked and realized I had cleaned the whole lobster.

From then on I ate anything and everything except for  my Dad's pickled mushrooms
 
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