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2022-12-02 5:59:41 AM  
This is how Microsoft "contributes" to open source software.

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2022-12-02 5:59:56 AM  
If Amazon is honestly surprised, they're idiots.
 
2022-12-02 7:10:13 AM  
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, Replace with proprietary stuff that costs 10X and does 1/10.

It's the Microsoft way.

Open Source == "Free Labor" , don't need to pay to staff a division, or can just contribute the minimum. People will work for free because it's a passion project.

In any case;

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2022-12-02 7:23:42 AM  
Aw, a competitor doesn't think they're getting enough for their non-dollar...
 
2022-12-02 7:29:22 AM  

AlphaG33k: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, Replace with proprietary stuff that costs 10X and does 1/10.

It's the Microsoft way.


If you RTFA you'll find out that this is the exact opposite of that.
 
2022-12-02 7:32:42 AM  

FormlessOne: Aws, a competitor doesn't think they're getting enough for their non-dollar...


This.

They want to provide a cross-platform implementation for the most used, Windows-only bits in .NET and are mad that someone else isn't footing the bill.
 
2022-12-02 7:35:50 AM  

neaorin: AlphaG33k: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, Replace with proprietary stuff that costs 10X and does 1/10.

It's the Microsoft way.

If you RTFA you'll find out that this is the exact opposite of that.


No one RTFAs. The article does try to damn with faint praise, but that's because it's The Register. Simply put, AWS wants to spend less by shaming Microsoft into spending more, but only so that it benefits AWS. It's bizarre. "Yeah, it's open, and yeah, they've put plenty of energy into the open-source platform, and yeah, they've welcomed external contributors, and yeah, their cloud offering is a better fit for .NET apps, but... we want them to make their open-source stuff more accessible for OUR stuff, instead of us having to do it."
 
2022-12-02 7:49:26 AM  
Folks are misreading this:
.NET and the .NET framework and languages are truly loved by a lot of developers, and have actually driven a lot of the featuers you see in other languages today

The open source version was setup to be a separate entity -- and it needs support.. It gets a ton from microsoft, but I think this is recognition by AWS that others need to start pulling their weight.

I think MS has actually done a really good job of both integrating Linux and freeing the developer tools and languages from a MS only stack...
..of course, MS continues to innovate and make developer product that target their platforms. That.'s what they do..
 
2022-12-02 8:55:31 AM  
"We found that .NET open source is heavily under-funded," said Saikat Banerjee, an AWS software development manager

If only Amazon had the cash to address the situation.
 
2022-12-02 9:46:25 AM  
A third area which keeps some .NET applications wedded to Windows is ASP.Net Web Form applications.

Yeah, even Microsoft would ditch Web Forms if they could get away with it.

I actually like Web Forms and think they are one of the best mixes of ease of use and truly powerful techs ever created. But I totally understand the complaints about it, as well. Also, it was really easy, and we can't have that, now, can we.

neaorin: FormlessOne: Aws, a competitor doesn't think they're getting enough for their non-dollar...

This.

They want to provide a cross-platform implementation for the most used, Windows-only bits in .NET and are mad that someone else isn't footing the bill.


I'm a long-time Microsoft hater, but .Net and Core are fine products, and .Net Core is about as legitimate of an Open Source project as they come. I will tell anyone that asks that Microsoft did a good job here.

"Right now .NET is the third most popular platform behind Python and Java for app development at AWS," said Dewaikar.

Yeah, I'm sure Oracle is being over backwards to help AWS move customer's away from them, too.
 
2022-12-02 10:35:53 AM  

neaorin: AlphaG33k: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, Replace with proprietary stuff that costs 10X and does 1/10.

It's the Microsoft way.

If you RTFA you'll find out that this is the exact opposite of that.


Some others in this thread are showing their age and inability to keep up.  Microsoft has had to adjust business strategy over time to avoid being left behind by technology and market share.  Sheesh, it's been well over a decade since they shut up about "open source is evil".

And I have no particular empathy for AWS, they being a powerful platform lustful for monopoly themselves.  Plus that they provide financial support for the monopolistic retail arm Amazon, which arguably causes its own share of socio-economic and environmental harm.
 
2022-12-02 10:38:48 AM  

FormlessOne: neaorin: AlphaG33k: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, Replace with proprietary stuff that costs 10X and does 1/10.

It's the Microsoft way.

If you RTFA you'll find out that this is the exact opposite of that.

No one RTFAs. The article does try to damn with faint praise, but that's because it's The Register. Simply put, AWS wants to spend less by shaming Microsoft into spending more, but only so that it benefits AWS. It's bizarre. "Yeah, it's open, and yeah, they've put plenty of energy into the open-source platform, and yeah, they've welcomed external contributors, and yeah, their cloud offering is a better fit for .NET apps, but... we want them to make their open-source stuff more accessible for OUR stuff, instead of us having to do it."


As often true, you have distilled this topic in just about 3 sentences.  Thanks for being here!
 
2022-12-02 11:28:52 AM  
The folks I work with were absolutely amazed that I was able to fiddle around with our .NET-based web application and run the whole stupid thing on Linux without only about six weeks of messing around with it. It's mostly a proof of concept in this case since it still uses MSSQL, but in my mind that does mean that it's a legitimate option that would in theory be less expensive even if only because we don't have to waste cash on more Windows Server licenses.
 
2022-12-02 11:40:59 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: This is how Microsoft "contributes" to open source software.

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You cant buy open source software bec the community owns it.

But you can buy Torvalds a pizza with everything on it.
 
2022-12-02 11:42:35 AM  

Dadoo: If Amazon is honestly surprised, they're idiots.


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2022-12-02 11:43:37 AM  

AlphaG33k: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, Replace with proprietary stuff that costs 10X and does 1/10.

It's the Microsoft way.

Open Source == "Free Labor" , don't need to pay to staff a division, or can just contribute the minimum. People will work for free because it's a passion project.

In any case;

[Fark user image image 148x138]


Open source will be the default one day, boo.
 
2022-12-02 11:45:53 AM  

covalesj: Folks are misreading this:
.NET and the .NET framework and languages are truly loved by a lot of developers, and have actually driven a lot of the featuers you see in other languages today

The open source version was setup to be a separate entity -- and it needs support.. It gets a ton from microsoft, but I think this is recognition by AWS that others need to start pulling their weight.

I think MS has actually done a really good job of both integrating Linux and freeing the developer tools and languages from a MS only stack...
..of course, MS continues to innovate and make developer product that target their platforms. That.'s what they do..


MS innovates after stealing the idea from open source software.

No company can compete with 10s of thousands of programmers spread around the world.
 
2022-12-02 11:46:38 AM  

Muta: "We found that .NET open source is heavily under-funded," said Saikat Banerjee, an AWS software development manager

If only Amazon had the cash to address the situation.


Amazon stock owners: shut ur trap young man!!
 
2022-12-02 11:49:42 AM  

SansNeural: neaorin: AlphaG33k: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, Replace with proprietary stuff that costs 10X and does 1/10.

It's the Microsoft way.

If you RTFA you'll find out that this is the exact opposite of that.

Some others in this thread are showing their age and inability to keep up.  Microsoft has had to adjust business strategy over time to avoid being left behind by technology and market share.  Sheesh, it's been well over a decade since they shut up about "open source is evil".

And I have no particular empathy for AWS, they being a powerful platform lustful for monopoly themselves.  Plus that they provide financial support for the monopolistic retail arm Amazon, which arguably causes its own share of socio-economic and environmental harm.


MS is slowly learning that the open source ship is gradually leaving them behind in a vast ocean of forgotten code
 
2022-12-02 11:51:05 AM  

likefunbutnot: The folks I work with were absolutely amazed that I was able to fiddle around with our .NET-based web application and run the whole stupid thing on Linux without only about six weeks of messing around with it. It's mostly a proof of concept in this case since it still uses MSSQL, but in my mind that does mean that it's a legitimate option that would in theory be less expensive even if only because we don't have to waste cash on more Windows Server licenses.


Debian my furry friend

Or Debian testing for desktops
 
2022-12-02 1:40:31 PM  

Linux_Yes: Debian my furry friend


Specifically fuck those fucking fucks. Using the dick knife from Se7en.

In pre-1.0 kernel days, I used to contribute and test code for SMP. Not to say I was responsible for anything more important than reporting and replicating bugs, but it was still a big deal; FreeBSD at that time didn't have any support for SMP at all, and as I recall there were only three or four people I was really dealing with, One of those people was an FSF/Debian guy who pretty much embodied the intransigent "My code is the way and the light and the truth"-assholery that I have never otherwise seen in open source development.

Yes, that was 25 years ago, but I'm still never going to use Debian-anything.
 
2022-12-02 3:14:54 PM  

Linux_Yes: Dadoo: If Amazon is honestly surprised, they're idiots.

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Anyone care to explain this to me? The Ambiguously Gay Duo was never my thing.
 
2022-12-02 3:39:28 PM  

likefunbutnot: Linux_Yes: Debian my furry friend

Specifically fark those farking farks. Using the dick knife from Se7en.

In pre-1.0 kernel days, I used to contribute and test code for SMP. Not to say I was responsible for anything more important than reporting and replicating bugs, but it was still a big deal; FreeBSD at that time didn't have any support for SMP at all, and as I recall there were only three or four people I was really dealing with, One of those people was an FSF/Debian guy who pretty much embodied the intransigent "My code is the way and the light and the truth"-assholery that I have never otherwise seen in open source development.

Yes, that was 25 years ago, but I'm still never going to use Debian-anything.


I feel ur pain but i have to say debian testing on my desktop has almost been like moving to linux all over again from windows.  It was cathartic. Only LMDE can compete w it although its not as user friendly as LMDE
 
2022-12-02 5:54:02 PM  

Dadoo: Linux_Yes: Dadoo: If Amazon is honestly surprised, they're idiots.

[Fark user image 425x193]

Anyone care to explain this to me? The Ambiguously Gay Duo was never my thing.


Their vehicle was conspicuously phallic in both appearance and functionality. The Blue Origin craft is, likewise, phallic in both appearance and functionality. I'm assuming that they're pointing out the similarity.
 
2022-12-02 8:08:00 PM  

Dadoo: Linux_Yes: Dadoo: If Amazon is honestly surprised, they're idiots.

[Fark user image 425x193]

Anyone care to explain this to me? The Ambiguously Gay Duo was never my thing.


a saturday night live skit back in the 90's or thereabouts.

Ambiguously Gay Duo: Fortress of Privacy - Saturday Night Live
Youtube 7m9-UCuOfSE
 
2022-12-02 8:11:06 PM  

FormlessOne: Dadoo: Linux_Yes: Dadoo: If Amazon is honestly surprised, they're idiots.

[Fark user image 425x193]

Anyone care to explain this to me? The Ambiguously Gay Duo was never my thing.

Their vehicle was conspicuously phallic in both appearance and functionality. The Blue Origin craft is, likewise, phallic in both appearance and functionality. I'm assuming that they're pointing out the similarity.


very good

Bezos, i believe, was summoning the Ambiguously Gay Duo when he built his space ship.  at least subconsciously
 
2022-12-02 8:13:20 PM  

FormlessOne: Dadoo: Linux_Yes: Dadoo: If Amazon is honestly surprised, they're idiots.

[Fark user image 425x193]

Anyone care to explain this to me? The Ambiguously Gay Duo was never my thing.

Their vehicle was conspicuously phallic in both appearance and functionality. The Blue Origin craft is, likewise, phallic in both appearance and functionality. I'm assuming that they're pointing out the similarity.


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2022-12-03 12:45:42 PM  

Linux_Yes: FormlessOne: Dadoo: Linux_Yes: Dadoo: If Amazon is honestly surprised, they're idiots.

[Fark user image 425x193]

Anyone care to explain this to me? The Ambiguously Gay Duo was never my thing.

Their vehicle was conspicuously phallic in both appearance and functionality. The Blue Origin craft is, likewise, phallic in both appearance and functionality. I'm assuming that they're pointing out the similarity.

very good

Bezos, i believe, was summoning the Ambiguously Gay Duo when he built his space ship.  at least subconsciously


Meh. I've no dog in that fight - just pointing out the pop culture reference. If it gets into space, happy to cheer for it.
 
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