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(CNN)   The 4-day workweek trial is a huge success. It turns out that people don't like working an extra day when they don't need to. It was also good for business. Average revenue rose 38%. This is not a repeat from feudal times or the industrial revolution   (cnn.com) divider line
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2022-12-01 7:24:59 PM  
My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.
 
2022-12-01 7:52:56 PM  

natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.


Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you
 
2022-12-01 8:18:25 PM  

Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you


A lot of nurses work three 12 hour shifts per week and they aren't exactly known for being sedentary
 
2022-12-01 8:25:01 PM  

natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.


This is the part where people pop in and say "NO! Not 4/10's! 4/8's!"

In other words, less work for the same pay. Shrinkflation for labor.
 
2022-12-01 8:26:16 PM  

Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you


I do it. It's awesome.
I work for the power company
Not a lineman, but lineman-adjacent
Sucks in the cold, or the rain, but your body gets used to to
 
2022-12-01 8:32:00 PM  
A volunteer survey by a company that is pushing for a 4-day work week finds that a 4-day work week is good. News at 11.

I've worked 4 day weeks at two different jobs - when I worked a physical job, it sucked horribly; on the other hand I really enjoyed it when I wasn't on my feet all day.

I'm not against the idea at all, but just like WFH, it's not going to work universally. For those of us in professional fields who bill hourly, this is a straight up nightmare.
 
2022-12-01 9:09:44 PM  

Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you


Your legs will hate you already for 5 hours, it kind of maxes out after a while. (And with longer recovery time might have a shot of actually healing and making the legs stronger instead of just chronically hurting.)
 
2022-12-01 9:15:27 PM  
Been working 4/10s for about 4 months on this site. Gonna be pissed when we're told it's too dark to keep doing it
 
2022-12-01 10:05:46 PM  

TDWCom29: Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you

A lot of nurses work three 12 hour shifts per week and they aren't exactly known for being sedentary


A lot of nurses burn out because the corporate mandate for 12 hour nursing shifts isn't exactly good for the body or psyche
 
2022-12-01 10:20:46 PM  

The Brains: TDWCom29: Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you

A lot of nurses work three 12 hour shifts per week and they aren't exactly known for being sedentary

A lot of nurses burn out because the corporate mandate for 12 hour nursing shifts isn't exactly good for the body or psyche


Nurses like to complain.
 
2022-12-01 11:13:15 PM  
Well, I should hope it isn't a repeat, subby. Pretty hard to manufacture goods from your house.
 
2022-12-02 12:31:53 AM  
Meh, my wife could do any amount of work from home she wants and usually does 5 days in the office. It's a company of mostly women and they seem to work better together.  They've self realized that WFO was more productive than WFH and like it better.

A coven is what i call them. It's been a sorta joke for over 20 years but they keep kicking ass. Can I bring some eye of newt to the next picnic?
 
2022-12-02 1:07:44 AM  

SharkaPult: Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you

I do it. It's awesome.
I work for the power company
Not a lineman, but lineman-adjacent
Sucks in the cold, or the rain, but your body gets used to to


I am a lineman-adjacent for the county
And I drive the side road
Searchin' in the overcast weather for another close to overload
I hear you humming in the wire
I can kind of hear you through the whine
And the Wichita lineman-adjacent
Is still near the line
 
2022-12-02 2:12:28 AM  
If it works for some people and professions, great! If it doesn't work for other people and other professions, then stick with what does work.

We don't have to do a one-size-fits-all. We shouldn't do that. Being adaptive will benefit everyone.

I'd love to have a four day, 10 hour per day work week. Unfortunately, the person who owns the company I work for still wants all the men to wear suits and ties and thinks women are best suited for secretarial work, so where I'm at, it'll probably totter along until it's become so obsolete it collapses, probably around the same time the owner dies after his fifth stroke from overworking, firm in the belief that you should always stick with the tried and true and never, ever, do anything different.
 
2022-12-02 3:39:17 AM  
After the Three Mile Island accident, one of the major operations changes was to reduce work schedule stress for the operators.  The utility I worked for came up with a plan of rotating shifts and lots of other ifs, ands or buts.  The operators would have to vote to accept the plan, but by nature, were a stubborn and suspicious lot.  The presentation was not going well until someone asked, "What's the bottom line?"  The presenter stopped and thought for few seconds, scribbled some numbers on his notepad, and announced, "You get 41 more days off per year."   That was something they easily understood and the presentation was refocused on the extra days off.  The new plan was quickly accepted and was extremely popular.
 
2022-12-02 6:40:14 AM  

Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you


Either way it doesn't matter, I don't think? I'm trying to find where I read it, but I'd SWEAR this study was about four eight hour days, not four ten hour days.

Ah, here we go! The link in the article to the FIRST article, before this study actually began: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/04/business/four-day-work-week-risk-takers/index.html

It mentions a "20% cut in working hours", which means it must be 4/8, not 4/10.

The 40 hour work week isn't some natural law, it's just what unions and labor in general managed to get things pushed to. There is nothing that says it's the most efficient amount of time spent on the job (And, judging by this study, it's not)
 
2022-12-02 7:23:19 AM  
I feel like more data is needed, at least from the article.  It presents information but doesn't say why.

About 97% of the 495 employees who responded said they wanted to continue with a four-day week.

Why?  Were they more productive?  Lazy?  I'd rather work a 0 day work week and get my pay doubled, but it doesn't mean it's right.  I certainly can believe this reduces burnout and makes people more productive, but more information is needed to how meaningful this 97% number is.  Were they hourly? Salaried?  Does a four-day work week reduce the number of hours of salaried workers who usually work longer days out of necessity?

The trial was also good for company earnings. Average revenue rose 38% when compared to the same period last year, according to the survey.

How exactly does this relate to the four-day work week?  What were the specific things that caused revenue to rise?  Were factors unrelated to the work week excluded from this?  What is the mean revenue difference?  Did one or companies have a really high number (say, some company that benefits from high commodity prices) that skew this number?

This article is flat out lazy.  It just presents data with no meaning behind it.  You can't draw anything meaningful from it.  I'm really interested in the concept, but you can't use this article for anything.
 
2022-12-02 9:19:02 AM  

Felgraf: Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you

Either way it doesn't matter, I don't think? I'm trying to find where I read it, but I'd SWEAR this study was about four eight hour days, not four ten hour days.

Ah, here we go! The link in the article to the FIRST article, before this study actually began: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/04/business/four-day-work-week-risk-takers/index.html

It mentions a "20% cut in working hours", which means it must be 4/8, not 4/10.

The 40 hour work week isn't some natural law, it's just what unions and labor in general managed to get things pushed to. There is nothing that says it's the most efficient amount of time spent on the job (And, judging by this study, it's not)


That's great if you are on salary.

Not many hourly workers can afford a 20% cut in pay.

40 hrs @ 10/hr = 400, 32 hrs @ 10/hr = 320.
400 divided by 32 = 12.50/hr.

So unless it comes with a 25% raise it's not gonna fly.
 
2022-12-02 10:35:55 AM  

Creoena: I feel like more data is needed, at least from the article.  It presents information but doesn't say why.

About 97% of the 495 employees who responded said they wanted to continue with a four-day week.

Why?  Were they more productive?  Lazy?  I'd rather work a 0 day work week and get my pay doubled, but it doesn't mean it's right.  I certainly can believe this reduces burnout and makes people more productive, but more information is needed to how meaningful this 97% number is.  Were they hourly? Salaried?  Does a four-day work week reduce the number of hours of salaried workers who usually work longer days out of necessity?

The trial was also good for company earnings. Average revenue rose 38% when compared to the same period last year, according to the survey.

How exactly does this relate to the four-day work week?  What were the specific things that caused revenue to rise?  Were factors unrelated to the work week excluded from this?  What is the mean revenue difference?  Did one or companies have a really high number (say, some company that benefits from high commodity prices) that skew this number?

This article is flat out lazy.  It just presents data with no meaning behind it.  You can't draw anything meaningful from it.  I'm really interested in the concept, but you can't use this article for anything.


Yeah, what is the control group?
 
2022-12-02 11:03:40 AM  

Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you


When I was working commission retail, bartending, selling cars, etc I would have killed for a 4 day work week, even if it was 12 hour days.
 
2022-12-02 11:18:13 AM  
I've had a 32 hour salaried work week for 22 years. I'll give it up 20 minutes after I'm dead.
 
2022-12-02 11:27:59 AM  

Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you


Sit at home stock owners dont mind if u stand on ur feet 10 hrs a day 4 days a week.
 
2022-12-02 11:29:03 AM  

TDWCom29: Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you

A lot of nurses work three 12 hour shifts per week and they aren't exactly known for being sedentary


And then called in for a 4th or 5th day bec the hospital is short staffed
 
2022-12-02 11:30:52 AM  

Sobekneferu: Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you

Your legs will hate you already for 5 hours, it kind of maxes out after a while. (And with longer recovery time might have a shot of actually healing and making the legs stronger instead of just chronically hurting.)


U have to cut ur weight down if on ur feet for long periods
 
2022-12-02 11:31:51 AM  

The Brains: TDWCom29: Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you

A lot of nurses work three 12 hour shifts per week and they aren't exactly known for being sedentary

A lot of nurses burn out because the corporate mandate for 12 hour nursing shifts isn't exactly good for the body or psyche


When enough nurses leave theyll figure it out
 
2022-12-02 11:32:29 AM  

chitownmike: The Brains: TDWCom29: Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you

A lot of nurses work three 12 hour shifts per week and they aren't exactly known for being sedentary

A lot of nurses burn out because the corporate mandate for 12 hour nursing shifts isn't exactly good for the body or psyche

Nurses like to complain.


And doctors like to retire at age 40
 
2022-12-02 11:34:51 AM  

bighairyguy: After the Three Mile Island accident, one of the major operations changes was to reduce work schedule stress for the operators.  The utility I worked for came up with a plan of rotating shifts and lots of other ifs, ands or buts.  The operators would have to vote to accept the plan, but by nature, were a stubborn and suspicious lot.  The presentation was not going well until someone asked, "What's the bottom line?"  The presenter stopped and thought for few seconds, scribbled some numbers on his notepad, and announced, "You get 41 more days off per year."   That was something they easily understood and the presentation was refocused on the extra days off.  The new plan was quickly accepted and was extremely popular.


Either way it goes if u work for someone else and/or sit at home stock owners you are going to take it in the ass.
 
2022-12-02 11:36:47 AM  

evilchode: Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you

When I was working commission retail, bartending, selling cars, etc I would have killed for a 4 day work week, even if it was 12 hour days.


Yep
Taking it in the ass gets old after awhile
 
2022-12-02 12:10:06 PM  

Linux_Yes: Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you

Sit at home stock owners dont mind if u stand on ur feet 10 hrs a day 4 days a week.


Lazy sit-at-home stock owners have at least floated money to companies that provide goods and services. Are you still high on cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology, which provide nothing at all yet waste untold amounts of electricity? You've been rather selective about which threads to participate in lately.

You've (loudly and repeatedly) told us to wait for Web 3.0-- how's that coming along?
 
2022-12-02 12:26:11 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: SharkaPult: Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you

I do it. It's awesome.
I work for the power company
Not a lineman, but lineman-adjacent
Sucks in the cold, or the rain, but your body gets used to to

I am a lineman-adjacent for the county
And I drive the side road
Searchin' in the overcast weather for another close to overload
I hear you humming in the wire
I can kind of hear you through the whine
And the Wichita lineman-adjacent
Is still near the line


Nice reference!
I'm a "A-Class Line Technician" not a "Journeyman Lineman". My union has silly classifications. If I called myself a lineman (closest thing any layperson understands) ACTUAL lineman would get pissed at me/randos on the internet would call me out. My job is a lot easier than a lineman, and pays a little less. It is confusing.
It would be like a regular rifleman calling themselves a Marine. Any actual Marine would get angry.
/works with live voltages
//secondary voltage
///AND primary voltage up to 14kv
 
2022-12-02 12:56:01 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: Linux_Yes: Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you

Sit at home stock owners dont mind if u stand on ur feet 10 hrs a day 4 days a week.

Lazy sit-at-home stock owners have at least floated money to companies that provide goods and services. Are you still high on cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology, which provide nothing at all yet waste untold amounts of electricity? You've been rather selective about which threads to participate in lately.

You've (loudly and repeatedly) told us to wait for Web 3.0-- how's that coming along?


Wow
I must have hit a guilty nerve with that one.
If companies need money for expansion thats what banks used to do.

Stock owners live off other peoples labor. The labor that puts value into stock.
Nothing u say or do will change that fact.

The truth shall set you free
 
2022-12-02 12:58:21 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: Linux_Yes: Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you

Sit at home stock owners dont mind if u stand on ur feet 10 hrs a day 4 days a week.

Lazy sit-at-home stock owners have at least floated money to companies that provide goods and services. Are you still high on cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology, which provide nothing at all yet waste untold amounts of electricity? You've been rather selective about which threads to participate in lately.

You've (loudly and repeatedly) told us to wait for Web 3.0-- how's that coming along?


Btw
Ethereums Proof of Stake node can be run on a laptop.

Youre behind the times, bro
 
2022-12-02 1:35:59 PM  

SharkaPult: Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you

I do it. It's awesome.
I work for the power company
Not a lineman, but lineman-adjacent
Sucks in the cold, or the rain, but your body gets used to to


Yeh it's crazy how fat and meek we've gotten that the mere act of standing for 10 hours  a day is considered too much.  Meanwhile I stand at least that every day and people ask what's my secret.  Get off your ass is the secret.  Do some yoga if your body can't handle it...because if you can't something is absolutely wrong.
 
2022-12-02 4:50:55 PM  

Concrete Donkey: natazha: My wife absolutely loves 4/10. WFH is icing on the cake.

4-Day tire stores figured this out decades ago.

Yeah office couch potatos will love it because they are all salaried and they all work jobs with no physical actions.

Stay on your feet for 10 hours a day 4 days in a row and let us know how much your body hates you


I worked in a data center, walking all over a quarter of a million square foot facility, all day long, working 4 10s, and I was just fine.
 
2022-12-02 4:54:26 PM  
And the 4 10s thing only works if you don't have customers expecting service 5 days a week. So normal corporate offices, sure. But they did that hear for government offices and everyone got giant hard ons for a few weeks. Then they realized that sure, it cut down on traffic, but all of the people who had the day off really NEEDED to use it to go to the DMV, or contact the unemployment folks.

So it works for some, not for others.

Which, amazingly enough, is exactly how it worked before this study...
 
2022-12-02 9:11:42 PM  

Mikey1969: And the 4 10s thing only works if you don't have customers expecting service 5 days a week. So normal corporate offices, sure. But they did that hear for government offices and everyone got giant hard ons for a few weeks. Then they realized that sure, it cut down on traffic, but all of the people who had the day off really NEEDED to use it to go to the DMV, or contact the unemployment folks.

So it works for some, not for others.

Which, amazingly enough, is exactly how it worked before this study...


My county DMV switched to 4 days per week only during the pandemic. It's gone so well, they're sticking with it. Their hours are not very long, just 7:30-5 M-Thu. But they quickly came up with an appointment system that has worked better than the old show up and wait M-Fri schedule ever did. It's getting a big upgrade this month - allowing multiple transactions in one appointment, knowing how long different transactions should take. We've been there twice since the change. Customers love it, staff love it, staff love that customers love it.

I think it's a lot like working from home. Can it work for every job? Maybe not. Can it work for many? Yes, especially with a little thought to try to make it work.
 
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