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(Yahoo)   NTSB rules that co-pilot accidently fell out of the open ramp of the plane. Putin seen taking notes   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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Nocrash [TotalFark]
2022-11-30 10:00:33 PM  
I called it that way at the time. Damn few pilots who reached his level would end their life intentionally over a bad landing.  Plenty other reasons like divorce or bankruptcy or child porn.
 
Yaw String [TotalFark]
2022-11-30 10:23:55 PM  
Subby, linked article is based on an autopsy report. I don't see any ruling from the NTSB.
 
edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-01 3:10:09 AM  
Back when I did some skydiving, the pilot was required to wear a parachute also. Still true? Did this guy take his off?
 
Unobtanium [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-01 5:44:04 AM  
"At some point, the decedent (copilot) opened a cockpit window for ventilation and possibly to vomit. Sometime after, he told the pilot that he felt he was going to be sick and apologized..."

He should have had the lasagna.
 
hoodiowithtudio
2022-12-01 6:36:47 AM  
Well...they did the man a solid, visavis his life insurance.
 
deadromanoff
2022-12-01 6:39:44 AM  

edmo: Back when I did some skydiving, the pilot was required to wear a parachute also. Still true? Did this guy take his off?


Only required in single engine aircraft...
 
Hooferatheart
2022-12-01 6:53:51 AM  
Charles Hews Crooks in Fuquay-Varina.
 
Jairzinho
2022-12-01 6:56:37 AM  
So this could have been:
A - An accident
B - A suicide
C - A perfect crime

I guess we'll never know.
 
labman [TotalFark]
2022-12-01 7:18:36 AM  

hoodiowithtudio: Well...they did the man a solid, visavis his life insurance.


Many life insurance policies cover suicide, but only if you've had the policy for more than several years.
 
drjekel_mrhyde
2022-12-01 7:21:13 AM  
Gremlins
 
Habitual Cynic
2022-12-01 7:27:31 AM  

Unobtanium: "At some point, the decedent (copilot) opened a cockpit window for ventilation and possibly to vomit. Sometime after, he told the pilot that he felt he was going to be sick and apologized..."

He should have had the lasagna.


Never choose the fish.
 
Snooza
2022-12-01 8:06:25 AM  
Whether you accidentally fell or intentionally jumped, it seems you would still die from blunt force trauma either way...
 
UNC_Samurai
2022-12-01 8:24:11 AM  

Nocrash: I called it that way at the time. Damn few pilots who reached his level would end their life intentionally over a bad landing.  Plenty other reasons like divorce or bankruptcy or child porn.


He was at least polite enough to blow his chunks out the back.

Gotta be courteous to the next pilots who have to sit there.  Mi CASA es su CASA.
 
Sexy Jesus [recently expired TotalFark]
2022-12-01 9:00:50 AM  
I found the article confusing. They dumped a load and while landing back at DZ he pranged the gear, so they decided to fly to Raleigh? Why? Soft field? Maintenance services at Raleigh? Must've been one helluva prang, for them to know it was damaged, it's a fixed gear it looks like. And on a STOL that's going to be some stout gear. Of course, by the time an aircraft gets to a DZ, it's at EOL and a total POS. The 182 we used in North Georgia belonged to a Russian circus before us. Poor kid, probably worked for an asshole.

Don't look at the comments there, the only useful information in them is that if the reporter says, "their backyard" instead of "his/her backyard" he/she is Pro-Gay-Frog.
 
puckrock2000
2022-12-01 9:12:28 AM  

Sexy Jesus: I found the article confusing. They dumped a load and while landing back at DZ he pranged the gear, so they decided to fly to Raleigh? Why? Soft field? Maintenance services at Raleigh? Must've been one helluva prang, for them to know it was damaged, it's a fixed gear it looks like. And on a STOL that's going to be some stout gear. Of course, by the time an aircraft gets to a DZ, it's at EOL and a total POS. The 182 we used in North Georgia belonged to a Russian circus before us. Poor kid, probably worked for an asshole.


Sorry, but there aren't nearly enough acronyms in this post.
 
caljar
2022-12-01 9:13:53 AM  

Sexy Jesus: I found the article confusing. They dumped a load and while landing back at DZ he pranged the gear, so they decided to fly to Raleigh? Why? Soft field? Maintenance services at Raleigh? Must've been one helluva prang, for them to know it was damaged, it's a fixed gear it looks like. And on a STOL that's going to be some stout gear. Of course, by the time an aircraft gets to a DZ, it's at EOL and a total POS. The 182 we used in North Georgia belonged to a Russian circus before us. Poor kid, probably worked for an asshole.

Don't look at the comments there, the only useful information in them is that if the reporter says, "their backyard" instead of "his/her backyard" he/she is Pro-Gay-Frog.


They might have wanted the ground crew to look at the gear before attempting the next landing.  Or, they wanted to land somewhere where there was more emergency and fire gear, just in case.  Or, that was were the maintenance would have to be done.
 
Jairzinho
2022-12-01 9:25:38 AM  

Snooza: Whether you accidentally fell or intentionally jumped, it seems you would still die from blunt force trauma either way...


You omitted "or were intentionally pushed out..".
Not saying that it did happen, but it is within the realm of possibility.
 
dkulprit [TotalFark]
2022-12-01 9:28:46 AM  

Jairzinho: Snooza: Whether you accidentally fell or intentionally jumped, it seems you would still die from blunt force trauma either way...

You omitted "or were intentionally pushed out..".
Not saying that it did happen, but it is within the realm of possibility.


Not really, pilot was in constant contact  with the tower until after dude was already gone.  There'd be recordings where you could tell the difference between being in the cockpit and walking out back.
 
Karma Chameleon
2022-12-01 9:36:44 AM  
Putin Derangement Syndrome
 
dkulprit [TotalFark]
2022-12-01 9:40:20 AM  
How did the autopsy report come to that conclusion?  I'm not saying his death happened any other way.  I'm not trying to make a statement to his frame of mind at all.  It was a tragic death.

I understand MEs can rule deaths as accidental in many circumstances based on multiple factors, like someone found near a ladder and died from blunt force damage from falling while working...

But in this instance there is literally no way to tell the difference between fell, jumped, or pushed.  The body is going to land about the same way in all those instances no matter what.  So it seems disingenuous to put such a declarative statement to a situation we just don't know.  It's ok not to know things.

While I don't think he was pushed, unless there were ghosts on the plane, we honestly have no idea what happened and probably never will.

I'm not trying to besmirch the dead dude.

I'm not trying to be conspiratorial about his death.

I'm not trying to make any proclamations about the dudes frame of mind.  I know even less than the ME here.  My only problem here is the ME making a definitive statement to a mystery that we will probably never know what actually happened.
 
The Yattering
2022-12-01 9:42:45 AM  

Sexy Jesus: I found the article confusing. They dumped a load and while landing back at DZ he pranged the gear, so they decided to fly to Raleigh? Why? Soft field? Maintenance services at Raleigh? Must've been one helluva prang, for them to know it was damaged, it's a fixed gear it looks like. And on a STOL that's going to be some stout gear. Of course, by the time an aircraft gets to a DZ, it's at EOL and a total POS. The 182 we used in North Georgia belonged to a Russian circus before us. Poor kid, probably worked for an asshole.

Don't look at the comments there, the only useful information in them is that if the reporter says, "their backyard" instead of "his/her backyard" he/she is Pro-Gay-Frog.


Something about SOP on DOAs from the FAA?
 
Sexy Jesus [recently expired TotalFark]
2022-12-01 10:15:42 AM  

dkulprit: How did the autopsy report come to that conclusion?  I'm not saying his death happened any other way.  I'm not trying to make a statement to his frame of mind at all.  It was a tragic death.

I understand MEs can rule deaths as accidental in many circumstances based on multiple factors, like someone found near a ladder and died from blunt force damage from falling while working...

But in this instance there is literally no way to tell the difference between fell, jumped, or pushed.  The body is going to land about the same way in all those instances no matter what.  So it seems disingenuous to put such a declarative statement to a situation we just don't know.  It's ok not to know things.

While I don't think he was pushed, unless there were ghosts on the plane, we honestly have no idea what happened and probably never will.

I'm not trying to besmirch the dead dude.

I'm not trying to be conspiratorial about his death.

I'm not trying to make any proclamations about the dudes frame of mind.  I know even less than the ME here.  My only problem here is the ME making a definitive statement to a mystery that we will probably never know what actually happened.


I believe the thinking is that absent any proof of suicide or foul play, you go with accidental. Kid went back to puke, was seen near open door and not holding the safety bar, so accidental. Suicide or Foul Play requires much greater leaps in logic than a simple accident.
 
Jairzinho
2022-12-01 11:28:07 AM  

dkulprit: Jairzinho: Snooza: Whether you accidentally fell or intentionally jumped, it seems you would still die from blunt force trauma either way...

You omitted "or were intentionally pushed out..".
Not saying that it did happen, but it is within the realm of possibility.

Not really, pilot was in constant contact  with the tower until after dude was already gone.  There'd be recordings where you could tell the difference between being in the cockpit and walking out back.


Ramp was open and the copilot was in the back. I, in the pilot seat, could suddenly pitch the plane nose up on purpose ..."ooopps!!".
 
Snooza
2022-12-01 1:03:03 PM  

Jairzinho: Snooza: Whether you accidentally fell or intentionally jumped, it seems you would still die from blunt force trauma either way...

You omitted "or were intentionally pushed out..".
Not saying that it did happen, but it is within the realm of possibility.


Maybe he was really annoying the other pilot with his hysterics, so when he went to the back, that pilot jiggled the plane a little and made him fall out. <mostly kidding but you never know>
 
Jairzinho
2022-12-01 1:48:58 PM  

Nocrash: I called it that way at the time. Damn few pilots who reached his level would end their life intentionally over a bad landing.  Plenty other reasons like divorce or bankruptcy or child porn.


Worse when they decide not only to take their own life but also the lives of the passengers as well. Like Silk Air 185 and the other one (don't remember flight designation) from BCN into a mountain, and some others, not terrorism related.
 
Sexy Jesus [recently expired TotalFark]
2022-12-01 2:40:05 PM  

Jairzinho: Nocrash: I called it that way at the time. Damn few pilots who reached his level would end their life intentionally over a bad landing.  Plenty other reasons like divorce or bankruptcy or child porn.

Worse when they decide not only to take their own life but also the lives of the passengers as well. Like Silk Air 185 and the other one (don't remember flight designation) from BCN into a mountain, and some others, not terrorism related.


That would be GermanWings 9525.
 
hoodiowithtudio
2022-12-01 6:36:46 PM  

labman: hoodiowithtudio: Well...they did the man a solid, visavis his life insurance.

Many life insurance policies cover suicide, but only if you've had the policy for more than several years.


You're right and look how young the person was...he may not have had life insurance for two years.
 
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