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(Newsweek)   How to spot a future incel: depression, paranoia, living in mother's basement, failure to bathe   (newsweek.com) divider line
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2022-11-30 10:35:11 PM  
And in 2020, self-described "anti-feminist" lawyer Roy Den Hollander killed the son of a federal judge. His manifesto said, "Manhood is in serious jeopardy in America."

Wasn't that the thesis of Madison Cawthorn's speech today? Is Cawthorn an incel?
 
2022-11-30 11:13:20 PM  

RodneyToady: And in 2020, self-described "anti-feminist" lawyer Roy Den Hollander killed the son of a federal judge. His manifesto said, "Manhood is in serious jeopardy in America."

Wasn't that the thesis of Madison Cawthorn's speech today? Is Cawthorn an incel?


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in more ways than one......
 
2022-12-01 3:05:30 AM  
There have always been pepel like this around. Surely there is already a real term for them, a diagnosis even.
 
2022-12-01 4:23:02 AM  

edmo: There have always been pepel like this around. Surely there is already a real term for them, a diagnosis even.


There is:  Farker.
 
2022-12-01 7:31:35 AM  

edmo: There have always been pepel like this around. Surely there is already a real term for them, a diagnosis even.


In the 1500s they lived in the Pepel States
 
2022-12-01 7:31:38 AM  
....TF account
 
2022-12-01 7:35:32 AM  

edmo: There have always been pepel like this around. Surely there is already a real term for them, a diagnosis even.


Yeah: losers.
 
2022-12-01 7:36:10 AM  

8 inches: edmo: There have always been pepel like this around. Surely there is already a real term for them, a diagnosis even.

There is:  Farker.


That's offensive.  Not all Farkers are incels.  And not all incels are Farkers.

But TotalFarkers...
 
2022-12-01 7:36:55 AM  

RodneyToady: And in 2020, self-described "anti-feminist" lawyer Roy Den Hollander killed the son of a federal judge. His manifesto said, "Manhood is in serious jeopardy in America."

Wasn't that the thesis of Madison Cawthorn's speech today? Is Cawthorn an incel?


Hell, come to Missouri!

Josh Hawley wrote an entire book about that crap!
 
2022-12-01 7:38:56 AM  
from the video associated with the thorough and definitive article... you can find them at a computer keyboard... wearing a hooded sweatshirt.
 
2022-12-01 7:41:47 AM  
Incel individuals share a general sense of failure, feel outcasted by society and excluded by relationships, and have strong feelings of rage towards their condition and other people, women in particular.

Found the citation for the study:

Sherlock, N. S. (2022). Using the definition for incel as its predictors. Duh, 1(1), 1-42.
 
2022-12-01 7:43:54 AM  

RodneyToady: Is Cawthorn an incel?


No, but only because (according to the allegations) his go-to move is to trap women in his car until he gets what he wants.
 
2022-12-01 7:45:43 AM  

RodneyToady: And in 2020, self-described "anti-feminist" lawyer Roy Den Hollander killed the son of a federal judge. His manifesto said, "Manhood is in serious jeopardy in America."

Wasn't that the thesis of Madison Cawthorn's speech today? Is Cawthorn an incel?


The conservatives talking about manliness are trying to radicalize incels. Everyone can see that they're a vulnerable group and conservatives have become determined to exploit them.
 
2022-12-01 7:45:54 AM  
I didn't know the "incel" term was a thing that existed beyond FARK.

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2022-12-01 7:46:30 AM  
Uses woke as a pejorative. Performatively outraged at pronouns. Brigades every woman who expresses an opinion online. Defends Elon at every turn. Pretty obvious stuff.
 
2022-12-01 7:46:41 AM  
Legalize Prostitution! Turn pimps into body guards that deal with the Johns that don't know how to be thankful and loving to the whores!

/no, really, legalize sex-work
//the oldest profession is never going away
///they should be honored and protected for the services they provide
 
2022-12-01 7:49:12 AM  
Then why aren't I one? In fact I doubt I'd even use a gun in self-defense. Hence why I will never own one .

correlation vs causation; people.
Logic like this causes unjust commitment of innocent people.  Jfc.
 
2022-12-01 7:50:11 AM  
What nearly all these chuckleheads have in common is:
A complete inability to interact with anyone in person
Zero self esteem
No understanding of what a relationship would entail either emotionally or sexually
Impossibly unrealistic expectations of others
No comprehension of time

In short, they live life like they're in a video game, where nothing is really real and everything is done at one step removed. You can tell by the way they talk about women, but also the "Chads" they see as their rivals.

"But I'm a nice (real) person! He doesn't treat you right (i.e. he's just a character in a game)! I will treat you the way (a character in my game) should be treated!"

It's a type of social deficit similar in many respects to high-functioning autism. They're not able to process social cues and they have very little ability to comprehend human emotion.

No, I am not saying "it's a mental illness." Its a deficit, and it could be overcome if they tried.
 
2022-12-01 7:50:15 AM  
I'm depressed and paranoid but shower at least once a day thank god
 
2022-12-01 7:51:04 AM  

waxbeans: Then why aren't I one? In fact I doubt I'd even use a gun in self-defense. Hence why I will never own one .

correlation vs causation; people.
Logic like this causes unjust commitment of innocent people.  Jfc.


Go hit your wife, you'll feel better.
 
2022-12-01 7:52:32 AM  
Part of their problem is they feel that they are owed something because of their very existence. Thing is...existence doesn't owe anyone shiat.
 
2022-12-01 7:53:11 AM  

chaoswolf: Legalize Prostitution! Turn pimps into body guards that deal with the Johns that don't know how to be thankful and loving to the whores!

/no, really, legalize sex-work
//the oldest profession is never going away
///they should be honored and protected for the services they provide


Sex workers don't cure violent sexist assholes. Sex workers being a prime target for serial killers and violence should've been your tip off. Decriminalizing it would certainly help, because they'd have more power to report assault. But sex doesn't cure incels.
 
2022-12-01 7:53:15 AM  

edmo: There have always been pepel like this around. Surely there is already a real term for them, a diagnosis even.


There always have been, but the Tinder dating era certainly exacerbates underlying tendencies.  It's never been easier to be shot down (if you want to take being ignored as shot down) 500 times in a row than it has been in the last decade.
 
2022-12-01 7:54:17 AM  

Marcos P: I'm depressed and paranoid but shower at least once a day thank god


You're not paranoid.  We're genuinely out to get you.
 
2022-12-01 7:54:19 AM  

1funguy: RodneyToady: And in 2020, self-described "anti-feminist" lawyer Roy Den Hollander killed the son of a federal judge. His manifesto said, "Manhood is in serious jeopardy in America."

Wasn't that the thesis of Madison Cawthorn's speech today? Is Cawthorn an incel?

Hell, come to Missouri!

Josh Hawley wrote an entire book about that crap!


Somehow he managed to do that while he was prancing away from the mess he helped make
 
2022-12-01 7:54:30 AM  
In general terms, this has always been a known quantity. Insecure men who never properly learn to deal with their insecurities learn and internalize unhealthy coping mechanisms. Projection, displacement, overcompensation.
 
2022-12-01 7:54:53 AM  

edmo: There have always been pepel like this around. Surely there is already a real term for them, a diagnosis even.


Yes, but before social media they were isolated and mostly harmless.
Once they found out they weren't unique, they started cheering each other on and trying to outdo each other in their vile bullshiat.

Then Steve Bannon said, "Oh hey! Here is a community that is already radicalized. I wonder what I could do with that?"
The answer started with the 2016 election, and took us straight to 1/6.
 
2022-12-01 7:58:07 AM  
I watched my father nearly fall to pieces after he found his brother dead from a self inflicted gunshot wound because that brothers ex-wife tried to take him for everything. I tried having relationships with women who either cultivated a harem of men that nobody in the group new about till towards the end, mentally abusive by pulling and pushing me away from another woman, stalked on by older women I wasn't interested in, and watched other people I knew screw up so bad or got screwed up so bad by their partners or their own mistakes that I just gave up in my mid to late 20's.

To me, puberty was a trap. It was never anything beautiful and enjoyable but just one big trap laid out for me to fall in to by biology and how America views sexuality during the 80's and 90's. Didn't help that I went to a school that told you you'd go to hell for even looking at a woman funny (Christian school) and some people got expelled for putting a muffin in the oven with each other. (I thought Jesus wasn't picky especially to those in need? Mistakes happen otherwise he wouldn't have hung on a cross like people crow about all the damn time.)

So yeah... Farked over right out of the gate and after going through all that I realized that I myself am messed up now so it's best to just be single. Life may be a bit financially harder with only a single income and nobody else to help support you but you avoid a LOT of bad as well if you can't find the right person and hit it off right away. So yeah I'm happy in the Friend Zone. I feel like I avoid a lot of crap because of it and I can get frisky with my COBOL manual when I have to.

Call me an incel? Fine, whatever.
 
2022-12-01 7:59:41 AM  

Gyrfalcon: What nearly all these chuckleheads have in common is:
A complete inability to interact with anyone in person
Zero self esteem
No understanding of what a relationship would entail either emotionally or sexually
Impossibly unrealistic expectations of others
No comprehension of time

In short, they live life like they're in a video game, where nothing is really real and everything is done at one step removed. You can tell by the way they talk about women, but also the "Chads" they see as their rivals.

"But I'm a nice (real) person! He doesn't treat you right (i.e. he's just a character in a game)! I will treat you the way (a character in my game) should be treated!"

It's a type of social deficit similar in many respects to high-functioning autism. They're not able to process social cues and they have very little ability to comprehend human emotion.

No, I am not saying "it's a mental illness." Its a deficit, and it could be overcome if they tried.


I would add that they have no concept that other people may have goals, aspirations and such that are different from their goals. Its delusions of grandeur. That THEY are the only ones who matter.
 
2022-12-01 8:01:06 AM  

Creoena: I didn't know the "incel" term was a thing that existed beyond FARK.

/themoreyouknow.jpg


It really picked up steam in the 00's on /b/. Any roody-poo could smell what the Rock was cooking back then.
 
2022-12-01 8:01:36 AM  
Based on the headline, i expected a story about Mike pence or Lindsey Graham
 
2022-12-01 8:01:45 AM  

Warthog: Marcos P: I'm depressed and paranoid but shower at least once a day thank god

You're not paranoid.  We're genuinely out to get you.


Oh crap I better stop showering!
 
2022-12-01 8:04:52 AM  
MAGTOW

/look it up
 
2022-12-01 8:09:08 AM  

iheartscotch: Part of their problem is they feel that they are owed something because of their very existence. Thing is...existence doesn't owe anyone shiat.


Which is farking hilarious considering the vast majority of them reach the online incel communities through libertarian-oriented avenues.  They love the everyone-for-themselves attitude until it comes to their sexual gratification.  "The world doesn't owe anyone anything...except when it comes to my blue balls."
 
2022-12-01 8:13:49 AM  

Creoena: I didn't know the "incel" term was a thing that existed beyond FARK.

/themoreyouknow.jpg


The term didn't exist on Fark until it became a widespread term in 2014 with the UC-Santa Barbara killings.  It was literally everywhere after Parkland.
 
2022-12-01 8:13:56 AM  
Huh... I have a wife, job, four kids, etc.  I'd pay good money to sit in my mom's basement and play video games or whatever for a while.
 
2022-12-01 8:15:44 AM  

chaoswolf: Legalize Prostitution! Turn pimps into body guards that deal with the Johns that don't know how to be thankful and loving to the whores!

/no, really, legalize sex-work
//the oldest profession is never going away
///they should be honored and protected for the services they provide


We need to bring back temple prostitution.
 
2022-12-01 8:17:45 AM  

Gyrfalcon: What nearly all these chuckleheads have in common is:
A complete inability to interact with anyone in person
Zero self esteem
No understanding of what a relationship would entail either emotionally or sexually
Impossibly unrealistic expectations of others
No comprehension of time

In short, they live life like they're in a video game, where nothing is really real and everything is done at one step removed. You can tell by the way they talk about women, but also the "Chads" they see as their rivals.

"But I'm a nice (real) person! He doesn't treat you right (i.e. he's just a character in a game)! I will treat you the way (a character in my game) should be treated!"

It's a type of social deficit similar in many respects to high-functioning autism. They're not able to process social cues and they have very little ability to comprehend human emotion.

No, I am not saying "it's a mental illness." Its a deficit, and it could be overcome if they tried.


You can't do anything to "force" someone to be attracted to you. Someone could do all the things Farkers say they should do, and still never get laid.
 
2022-12-01 8:19:27 AM  

Hell Poodle: chaoswolf: Legalize Prostitution! Turn pimps into body guards that deal with the Johns that don't know how to be thankful and loving to the whores!

/no, really, legalize sex-work
//the oldest profession is never going away
///they should be honored and protected for the services they provide

Sex workers don't cure violent sexist assholes. Sex workers being a prime target for serial killers and violence should've been your tip off. Decriminalizing it would certainly help, because they'd have more power to report assault. But sex doesn't cure incels.


By definition it does. They might still be violent racist assholes, but they will no longer be incels.
 
2022-12-01 8:21:25 AM  
If the FBI wanted to find them, they just have to go to YouTube and monitor the comments of those Manosphere videos. They claim red pill, but you can tell who's going black pill if they already haven't . It's women out there that is pushing that garbage for clout and YouTube money. I don't know if these women know that they're playing a highly dangerous game with them.
 
2022-12-01 8:21:51 AM  
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2022-12-01 8:22:36 AM  

Marcos P: Warthog: Marcos P: I'm depressed and paranoid but shower at least once a day thank god

You're not paranoid.  We're genuinely out to get you.

Oh crap I better stop showering!


I'm not depressed, and I shower exactly once a day.  Usually for about two and a half hours.
 
2022-12-01 8:24:17 AM  
young women, defined as 'femcels'

The femvoluntary celibate?
 
2022-12-01 8:27:17 AM  

Gyrfalcon: No, I am not saying "it's a mental illness." Its a deficit, and it could be overcome if they tried


Minor point, but you realize that there are mental illnesses which cause these sorts of things, right? There are legitimate diagnosis to go with it.  Not saying that all people who are incels suffer from them, but dismissing everyone who suffers from things including the things you mention as incels and denying that there may be a mental illness is wrong.
 
2022-12-01 8:27:30 AM  

Loucifer: [Fark user image image 850x1383]


Aw geez. Kid never had a chance.
 
2022-12-01 8:28:46 AM  
Eh when I was young I was depressed, paranoid, living in a basement, and I still got laid. I did smoke a lot of weed instead of getting high on my own farts and considered woman to be people though.
 
2022-12-01 8:29:41 AM  

1funguy: RodneyToady: And in 2020, self-described "anti-feminist" lawyer Roy Den Hollander killed the son of a federal judge. His manifesto said, "Manhood is in serious jeopardy in America."

Wasn't that the thesis of Madison Cawthorn's speech today? Is Cawthorn an incel?

Hell, come to Missouri!

Josh Hawley wrote an entire book about that crap!


Come to Missouri?

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2022-12-01 8:34:48 AM  

Robinfro: Creoena: I didn't know the "incel" term was a thing that existed beyond FARK.

/themoreyouknow.jpg

It really picked up steam in the 00's on /b/. Any roody-poo could smell what the Rock was cooking back then.


I first really noticed it on /b/ in 2006 or so.  It was incel memes being shared, but I misread the label and was confused about the lack of hot stepmothers.  And then when I realized what the threads were about, my only thought was "well find a hot stepmother and your problem will go away".  It took me a few years to realize they were serious about that incel stuff.
 
2022-12-01 8:35:02 AM  

chaoswolf: Legalize Prostitution! Turn pimps into body guards that deal with the Johns that don't know how to be thankful and loving to the whores!

/no, really, legalize sex-work
//the oldest profession is never going away
///they should be honored and protected for the services they provide


You fail to understand that it's not about the sex.
It's about the status they gain by having a hot girlfriend (which includes sex).

The point is that they think that even sitting in mom's basement, smelling like all of last week's meals, they deserve a Victoria's Secret fawning over them.

So paying for sex would be adding insult to injury: first, the hot babes are not falling all over themselves to have sex with basement boy voluntarily, and then, some random HB6* has the gall to blackmail them out *money* for sex???

* a 6 on the Hot Babes scale (0-10)
 
2022-12-01 8:40:09 AM  

Chthonic Echoes: RodneyToady: Is Cawthorn an incel?

No, but only because (according to the allegations) his go-to move is to trap women in his car until he gets what he wants.


So, an incel who rapes is just- a rapist?
 
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