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(Onion AV Club)   James Cameron wants you to know that you're wrong about how important Avatar is. In fact, the world is wrong   (avclub.com) divider line
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2022-11-30 7:41:01 PM  
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2022-11-30 7:45:04 PM  
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2022-11-30 7:46:08 PM  
Wake me when it makes the $2bn in production costs and starts making a profit.
 
2022-11-30 7:51:02 PM  
It's a fun movie in parts, but it's really mostly  a 3D gimmick extended to feature length. Also somewhere in the middle it turns into Pern for me.
 
2022-11-30 8:07:08 PM  
The world largely loves Avatar. It's mostly fark edgelord/comic book men with their oh so elegant taste that they're happy to go on and on telling you about that hate it. It's remnant right wing poison still floating around the farkwaves that hates anything that doesn't glowingly love up on unfettered militarism and environmental desecration for profit.
 
2022-11-30 8:08:58 PM  
"There's skepticism in the marketplace around, 'Oh, did it ever make any real cultural impact?'" Cameron said. "'Can anybody even remember the characters' names?'"

This is a valid question. I think the bad guy is Quarritch? He was the most memorable, and he's dead. Yet I think he's still in sequels?

It's a beautiful "lake" that's less than 1" deep. You're like "I can't wait to swim in this pristine lake! It's so clear you can see the bottom! Ohhh, it's because it doesn't even submerge my toes..."

"When you have extraordinary success, you come back within the next three years," he added. "That's just how the industry works. You come back to the well, and you build that cultural impact over time. Marvel had maybe 26 movies to build out a universe, with the characters cross-pollinating. So it's an irrelevant argument. We'll see what happens after this film."

I don't even know what this means. Yes, it was EXTRAORDINARILY successful, but you waited 13 years. It's impact waned once other pretty movies using those same methods came out. If Avatar 2 had hit in 2012, it might've kept something going, but it didn't. Iron Man came out the year before, and Marvel produced 28 (29 if you count GotG Holiday Special) more movies than you.

Between '82 and 1997, you directed 7 movies, most amazing. Between 1998 to today, you directed 2 (3 after this year). You aren't building an entire universe. It'd be like GRRM releasing A Game of Thrones in 1996 and waiting until 2009 for A Clash of Kings. GoT's pilot episode on HBO was already in production by that point.
 
2022-11-30 8:13:05 PM  

scottydoesntknow: "There's skepticism in the marketplace around, 'Oh, did it ever make any real cultural impact?'" Cameron said. "'Can anybody even remember the characters' names?'"

This is a valid question. I think the bad guy is Quarritch? He was the most memorable, and he's dead. Yet I think he's still in sequels?

It's a beautiful "lake" that's less than 1" deep. You're like "I can't wait to swim in this pristine lake! It's so clear you can see the bottom! Ohhh, it's because it doesn't even submerge my toes..."

"When you have extraordinary success, you come back within the next three years," he added. "That's just how the industry works. You come back to the well, and you build that cultural impact over time. Marvel had maybe 26 movies to build out a universe, with the characters cross-pollinating. So it's an irrelevant argument. We'll see what happens after this film."

I don't even know what this means. Yes, it was EXTRAORDINARILY successful, but you waited 13 years. It's impact waned once other pretty movies using those same methods came out. If Avatar 2 had hit in 2012, it might've kept something going, but it didn't. Iron Man came out the year before, and Marvel produced 28 (29 if you count GotG Holiday Special) more movies than you.

Between '82 and 1997, you directed 7 movies, most amazing. Between 1998 to today, you directed 2 (3 after this year). You aren't building an entire universe. It'd be like GRRM releasing A Game of Thrones in 1996 and waiting until 2009 for A Clash of Kings. GoT's pilot episode on HBO was already in production by that point.


Oops, meant 1 since 1998. Counted Titanic twice. One movie, Avatar (2 by 2023), in 25 years. He's earned the break, don't get me wrong. But that's not an attempt at worldbuilding.
 
2022-11-30 8:17:04 PM  

neongoats: The world largely loves Avatar. It's mostly fark edgelord/comic book men with their oh so elegant taste that they're happy to go on and on telling you about that hate it. It's remnant right wing poison still floating around the farkwaves that hates anything that doesn't glowingly love up on unfettered militarism and environmental desecration for profit.


Love is a strong word. The world was okay was it, and saw it because it was made by the titanic guy and peak 3D. The effects are fantastic but the story was meh. It's not like there was a huge clamoring for a sequel.
 
2022-11-30 8:22:12 PM  
I saw it when it was on cable so I missed the 3D effects.  It just looked like a CGI cartoon to me and I think CGI is ugly.  I might check out the new one to see what I missed out on.
 
2022-11-30 8:22:13 PM  

scottydoesntknow: scottydoesntknow: "There's skepticism in the marketplace around, 'Oh, did it ever make any real cultural impact?'" Cameron said. "'Can anybody even remember the characters' names?'"

This is a valid question. I think the bad guy is Quarritch? He was the most memorable, and he's dead. Yet I think he's still in sequels?

It's a beautiful "lake" that's less than 1" deep. You're like "I can't wait to swim in this pristine lake! It's so clear you can see the bottom! Ohhh, it's because it doesn't even submerge my toes..."

"When you have extraordinary success, you come back within the next three years," he added. "That's just how the industry works. You come back to the well, and you build that cultural impact over time. Marvel had maybe 26 movies to build out a universe, with the characters cross-pollinating. So it's an irrelevant argument. We'll see what happens after this film."

I don't even know what this means. Yes, it was EXTRAORDINARILY successful, but you waited 13 years. It's impact waned once other pretty movies using those same methods came out. If Avatar 2 had hit in 2012, it might've kept something going, but it didn't. Iron Man came out the year before, and Marvel produced 28 (29 if you count GotG Holiday Special) more movies than you.

Between '82 and 1997, you directed 7 movies, most amazing. Between 1998 to today, you directed 2 (3 after this year). You aren't building an entire universe. It'd be like GRRM releasing A Game of Thrones in 1996 and waiting until 2009 for A Clash of Kings. GoT's pilot episode on HBO was already in production by that point.

Oops, meant 1 since 1998. Counted Titanic twice. One movie, Avatar (2 by 2023), in 25 years. He's earned the break, don't get me wrong. But that's not an attempt at worldbuilding.


You're right of course,  but also remember adding any lore is world-building.  It's just a terribly slow one.
 
2022-11-30 8:36:12 PM  
I liked True Lies
 
2022-11-30 8:55:52 PM  

Circusdog320: I liked True Lies


Still waiting for a blu ray release
 
2022-11-30 9:14:14 PM  
There's a marked difference between the cycle that Cameron has been working on.

Nearly 15 years between the first and second film. The failure to do much of anything to keep the IP alive, save a few Dark Horse comics, and a trilogy of books that were commissioned and thus far not delivered.

What folks are essentially saying is that you could have invested in a new film to showcase your new tech, instead of revisiting an IP that few people care much about, save nostalgia.

I mean, good luck and all, but thus far attacking the public's taste in films and where the industry has gone in the time while you let this IP languish in Limbo is maybe NOT the winning strategy you think it is.

Just give us a good movie. Let the work speak for itself. This endless sh*t-talking about EVERYONE ELSE, including the very viewers you want, isn't exactly helping get folks hyped. Getting preemptively mad isn't exactly instilling folks with confidence.
 
2022-11-30 9:35:30 PM  
We're living in a strange period of history, one where movie makers blame the audience when their movies fail to live up to expectations, instead of accepting the responsibility themselves.
 
2022-11-30 9:37:18 PM  

maxandgrinch: Wake me when it makes the $2bn in production costs and starts making a profit.


Hollywood movies are never profitable.
 
2022-11-30 9:38:07 PM  
because five's better than four, four's better than three, and three's better than two."

I'd give anything to be this completely unfamiliar with Matrix sequels.
 
2022-11-30 9:38:51 PM  

Magnus Eisengrim: We're living in a strange period of history, one where movie makers blame the audience when their movies fail to live up to expectations, instead of accepting the responsibility themselves.


"You morons just don't understand my creative genius!" is easier for a megalomaniac to say than "whoops I dropped turd, my bad"
 
2022-11-30 9:38:57 PM  

neongoats: The world largely loves Avatar. It's mostly fark edgelord/comic book men with their oh so elegant taste that they're happy to go on and on telling you about that hate it. It's remnant right wing poison still floating around the farkwaves that hates anything that doesn't glowingly love up on unfettered militarism and environmental desecration for profit.


Ah yes, that's probably it. After all, Fark is notorious for being a hive of anti-environmentalist fiction apologists.
 
2022-11-30 9:40:48 PM  
Ah, the misunderstood artist routine: "You just don't understand my VISION!" Yawn.
 
2022-11-30 9:44:10 PM  
Well, the naysayers have a point: No one can recall any characters and the plot was a barebones Pocahontas with even less nuance than a Disney film, which is something.  He should have gone on and designed virtual rides, or hell a VR sim for his world, then he would have been remembered for Avatar.
 
2022-11-30 9:49:38 PM  
I just remember Sam Worthington making his Sam Worthington face and talking in his Sam Worthington voice the whole time.

/sam worthington
 
2022-11-30 9:51:15 PM  
I've never seen Avatar.  All I know about it is those blue characters rent out their fathers and then sing songs about it.

/ For Lease: Na'vi dad....
 
2022-11-30 9:52:45 PM  

aleister_greynight: [Fark user image 800x655]


Right?? No1curr, and that's why we're talking about it again for the fourth time this week!!

Every time an Avatar thread gets greenlit on Fark, its cultural relevance both grows, and gets re-confirmed.
 
2022-11-30 9:53:01 PM  
Hey now, I remember Zoe Saldana's name.

/I don't remember her character's name
 
2022-11-30 9:54:54 PM  

deadsanta: Well, the naysayers have a point: No one can recall any characters and the plot was a barebones Pocahontas with even less nuance than a Disney film, which is something.  He should have gone on and designed virtual rides, or hell a VR sim for his world, then he would have been remembered for Avatar.


Well duh.  It was all about the awesome 3D spectacular, which was enough to make a big splash, but not enough to keep everyone wet afterwards.  What most people remember about the movie is that it was pretty.  Very few remember much about anything else.

He made a direct-to-streaming movie that became a blockbuster because of the budget and effects.  You can't follow that up with a sequel and expect the same results.

At least, that's how I expect it to go.  Maybe he'll manage to buy his opening weekend, maybe audiences will go crazy for it again.  But I wouldn't put MY money on that happening.
 
2022-11-30 9:55:18 PM  

Corn_Fed: aleister_greynight: [Fark user image 800x655]

Right?? No1curr, and that's why we're talking about it again for the fourth time this week!!

Every time an Avatar thread gets greenlit on Fark, its cultural relevance both grows, and gets re-confirmed.


If you say so I guess.
 
2022-11-30 9:57:19 PM  

aleister_greynight: Corn_Fed: aleister_greynight: [Fark user image 800x655]

Right?? No1curr, and that's why we're talking about it again for the fourth time this week!!

Every time an Avatar thread gets greenlit on Fark, its cultural relevance both grows, and gets re-confirmed.

If you say so I guess.


Nah, it's Cameron's publicist working overtime making sure it hits enough industry publications, infotainment outlets, and social media sites to generate 'buzz', and then we react to that.  But at some point the fire has to start burning on its own.  If you keep having to add kindling and re-lighting it, that's not a good sign.
 
2022-11-30 9:59:14 PM  

scottydoesntknow: scottydoesntknow: "There's skepticism in the marketplace around, 'Oh, did it ever make any real cultural impact?'" Cameron said. "'Can anybody even remember the characters' names?'"

This is a valid question. I think the bad guy is Quarritch? He was the most memorable, and he's dead. Yet I think he's still in sequels?

It's a beautiful "lake" that's less than 1" deep. You're like "I can't wait to swim in this pristine lake! It's so clear you can see the bottom! Ohhh, it's because it doesn't even submerge my toes..."

"When you have extraordinary success, you come back within the next three years," he added. "That's just how the industry works. You come back to the well, and you build that cultural impact over time. Marvel had maybe 26 movies to build out a universe, with the characters cross-pollinating. So it's an irrelevant argument. We'll see what happens after this film."

I don't even know what this means. Yes, it was EXTRAORDINARILY successful, but you waited 13 years. It's impact waned once other pretty movies using those same methods came out. If Avatar 2 had hit in 2012, it might've kept something going, but it didn't. Iron Man came out the year before, and Marvel produced 28 (29 if you count GotG Holiday Special) more movies than you.

Between '82 and 1997, you directed 7 movies, most amazing. Between 1998 to today, you directed 2 (3 after this year). You aren't building an entire universe. It'd be like GRRM releasing A Game of Thrones in 1996 and waiting until 2009 for A Clash of Kings. GoT's pilot episode on HBO was already in production by that point.

Oops, meant 1 since 1998. Counted Titanic twice. One movie, Avatar (2 by 2023), in 25 years. He's earned the break, don't get me wrong. But that's not an attempt at worldbuilding.


To be fair watching Titanic feels like you are sitting through, at least, two movies
 
2022-11-30 9:59:37 PM  
"There's skepticism in the marketplace around, 'Oh, did it ever make any real cultural impact?'" Cameron said. "'Can anybody even remember the characters' names?'"

What the fark does that even mean?

No, Avatar didn't have outsized cultural impact. Maybe a bit more than Hardcore Henry did (or... whatever that "choose your own adventure" movie that came out in like 1997), but looking at a list of movies just from 2009, a few stand out as having more staying power:

-Harry Potter 6 (but that's part of The Biggest Book Franchise Since The Bible Got a Sequel. Also, fark JK Rowling)
-Watchmen (I get that a lot of people hated it, but I still think it's the better "naked blue people" film of 2009)
-Inglourious Basterds
-Zombieland
-District 9 (how does it feel, James Cameron, to know that the heavy-handed and barely-concealed allegory for apartheid was better than your CGI-driven heavy-handed allegory for environmentalism)
-Star Trek (also a franchise, but one that'd been dead for like 15 years)
-Moon (not many people saw it; but it's better sci-fi, and has the better Sam - minus a few retroactive points for Kevin Spacey, though)

On a personal note, I liked GI Joe: The Rise of Cobra - largely for how transparently Channing Tatum is phoning it in, contrasted with how hard Marlon Wayans appears to be trying in some scenes (and how tasty Eccelston finds the scenery). It's an uneven, terrible movie, and I love it.
 
2022-11-30 10:01:45 PM  

Unsung_Hero: aleister_greynight: Corn_Fed: aleister_greynight: [Fark user image 800x655]

Right?? No1curr, and that's why we're talking about it again for the fourth time this week!!

Every time an Avatar thread gets greenlit on Fark, its cultural relevance both grows, and gets re-confirmed.

If you say so I guess.

Nah, it's Cameron's publicist working overtime making sure it hits enough industry publications, infotainment outlets, and social media sites to generate 'buzz', and then we react to that.  But at some point the fire has to start burning on its own.  If you keep having to add kindling and re-lighting it, that's not a good sign.


Nah, Fark has never passed up an opportunity for an Avatar thread. Like moths to a flame. Farkers hate to admit there's some pretty big interest, that the cultural impact is there, and they're all gnashing their teeth in impotent rage.
 
2022-11-30 10:02:20 PM  

deadsanta: Well, the naysayers have a point: No one can recall any characters and the plot was a barebones Pocahontas with even less nuance than a Disney film, which is something.  He should have gone on and designed virtual rides, or hell a VR sim for his world, then he would have been remembered for Avatar.


Avatar porn. And I don't mean regular porn stars in blue makeup, I mean Hollywood budget blue cats fuggin' in a multicolor space jungle in glorious 3D
 
2022-11-30 10:04:33 PM  
Egotistical ahole.

If he was talking about Titanic he might have a point.
 
2022-11-30 10:09:09 PM  

Dr Dreidel: "There's skepticism in the marketplace around, 'Oh, did it ever make any real cultural impact?'" Cameron said. "'Can anybody even remember the characters' names?'"

What the fark does that even mean?

No, Avatar didn't have outsized cultural impact. Maybe a bit more than Hardcore Henry did (or... whatever that "choose your own adventure" movie that came out in like 1997), but looking at a list of movies just from 2009, a few stand out as having more staying power:

-Harry Potter 6 (but that's part of The Biggest Book Franchise Since The Bible Got a Sequel. Also, fark JK Rowling)
-Watchmen (I get that a lot of people hated it, but I still think it's the better "naked blue people" film of 2009)
-Inglourious Basterds
-Zombieland
-District 9 (how does it feel, James Cameron, to know that the heavy-handed and barely-concealed allegory for apartheid was better than your CGI-driven heavy-handed allegory for environmentalism)
-Star Trek (also a franchise, but one that'd been dead for like 15 years)
-Moon (not many people saw it; but it's better sci-fi, and has the better Sam - minus a few retroactive points for Kevin Spacey, though)

On a personal note, I liked GI Joe: The Rise of Cobra - largely for how transparently Channing Tatum is phoning it in, contrasted with how hard Marlon Wayans appears to be trying in some scenes (and how tasty Eccelston finds the scenery). It's an uneven, terrible movie, and I love it.


And nobody on the street would be able to spontaneously name the lead characters in District 9, Zombieland, Inglorious Basterds, or Moon (ie. the non-franchises). Yes, they're all great movies, but they didn't move the cultural needle much, nor imprint character names on the collective consciousness.

Why the Avatar hate? So much energy spent hating Avatar, for completely shallow reasons. Judge the new movie on its own terms, not because you're all inexplicably angry the first one was successful, and too cool to admit it was an entertaining movie.
 
2022-11-30 10:12:05 PM  
Of all the things I've ever been wrong about, being wrong about this is pretty low on the list.
 
2022-11-30 10:14:17 PM  
Tons of people are going to see this the way tons of people saw Barnum's mermaid, who was just the dead body of a monkey sewn onto the dead body of a fish. Then they followed the sign that said, "This way to the Egress" and had to pay to get in again because most people are complete idiots.
 
2022-11-30 10:15:29 PM  
Noted environmentalist James Francis Cameron has a Venezuelan frog species named after him. Do you. Subby? I don't think so.
 
2022-11-30 10:21:52 PM  

Corn_Fed: Yes, they're all great movies, but they didn't move the cultural needle much, nor imprint character names on the collective consciousness.


I realize the author thinks that's an important marker for a film's cultural relevance, but it's rare for people to remember a character's name absent a franchise reason to. Hey, just off the top of your head, any character name from Independence Day come to mind?

But since you asked, from memory:

-Wickus van der Merve (a funny name, which sticks out - but also they say it about 16,000 times in the movie)
-Tallahassee, Wichita, and Columbus (I forget what Little Miss Sunshine's name was. Little Wichita?)
-Lt Aldo Raine, Donnie Donowitz, Hans Landa (that one, I think, DID almost reach household name status because Christoph Waltz is a farking gem), and Shoshanna LaPaditte - kind of hard to forget that one (at least her first name), as Hans shouted it at the end of the opening vignette

But I did forget Sam Rockwell's character's name in Moon.

// I should also say I haven't watched any of these films in a long while
// but I do think that Basterds, just to pick one from that list, has more cultural relevance (in the absence of the recent Avatar worldbuilding) - if I had to pick a second, either D9 or Zombieland (both of which TBF also tried to re-cash in a decade later)
// I guess allowing for taste it's entirely possible there's a huge undercurrent of "Avatar was AMAZING!" in the zeitgeist that I've somehow missed over the last 13 years
 
2022-11-30 10:43:38 PM  

Corn_Fed: aleister_greynight: [Fark user image 800x655]

Right?? No1curr, and that's why we're talking about it again for the fourth time this week!!

Every time an Avatar thread gets greenlit on Fark, its cultural relevance both grows, and gets re-confirmed.


Leave me out of this
 
2022-11-30 10:46:16 PM  
Nah, skipping out on Ferngully 4, thanks.
 
2022-11-30 10:46:31 PM  
What are your favorite quotes from Avatar?  You know, the ones everyone uses?
What's your favorite Avatar meme?
 
2022-11-30 10:46:34 PM  
South Park James Cameron Song
Youtube 0napnfxd-dU
 
2022-11-30 10:46:51 PM  
James Cameron South Park
Youtube HIC22gQfh6E
 
2022-11-30 10:50:37 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: What are your favorite quotes from Avatar?  You know, the ones everyone uses?
What's your favorite Avatar meme?


The Robot Chicken song. VERY NSFW LYRICS

Robot Chicken Blue Rabbits F##king uncensored with lyrics
Youtube _VghwO7O_F8
 
2022-11-30 10:51:50 PM  

Corn_Fed: aleister_greynight: [Fark user image 800x655]

Right?? No1curr, and that's why we're talking about it again for the fourth time this week!!

Every time an Avatar thread gets greenlit on Fark, its cultural relevance both grows, and gets re-confirmed.


Except it's not about Avatar's relevance, but the preemptive complaining about the public-when he's the guy who didn't touch the franchise for nearly a decade before letting Dark Horse do a few comics.

It's the complaining that folks are more pointed towards.

I hope it is amazing, for the crews' sakes, because they've put a lot of work in, especially for a property that was left to hang for 13 years without a peep.

He wants props for finally coming back to a franchise that most folks thought was long discarded.
 
2022-11-30 10:58:01 PM  

Dr Dreidel: I realize the author thinks that's an important marker for a film's cultural relevance, but it's rare for people to remember a character's name absent a franchise reason to. Hey, just off the top of your head, any character name from Independence Day come to mind?


Bad example. Independence Day is an ensemble disaster movie where the individual characters aren't as important as the recognizable faces who play them.

But the world remembered Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, R2, C3PO, and Darth Vader after the first Star Wars. Neo and Trinity were forever etched into pop culture after the first Matrix. Adventure had a name after Raiders of the Lost Ark, and everyone knew it was Indiana Jones. Great characters make an instant and lasting impression. (And so do bad ones. Torgo from Manos, Hands of Fate enjoys more recognition than most supporting players from Oscar winning films.)

Avatar had no real characters. Just a dope blundering from one scene to the next, and a very tolerant crowd of blue aliens who sanctioned his buffoonery. Most of us didn't bother to remember their names because we didn't care if we ever saw them again. We weren't invested in them or their story.

IIRC, Cameron made rumblings years ago about how any Avatar sequels would move on from the characters of the first and revolve around all new ones, which was a great idea because it meant no more Sam Worthington casting his sleep spell on the screen. But it looks like wounded ego made Cameron change his mind, and now he's determined to prove Dumb Guy and Smurfette were secretly enduring characters all along, and they just need about three or four more movies to remind us who they are and what their names were. You'd think the guy who gave us the unforgettable Sarah Connor would know better, but he's clearly too proud to admit it.
 
2022-11-30 11:00:47 PM  
Avatar was fine. It was its era's Jurassic Park... boilerplate script, an A-List cast mostly phoning it in... but also a technological milestone, very well made and very watchable. Certainly more watchable than Semi-annual Transformers Sequel or whatever...

The problem going forward was that there was barely enough story to fill one 2.5 hour movie, much less a Star Wars length saga. The war can only end with a negotiated settlement or a total rout when actual Earth militaries (not just corporate mercs) get involved. The only extended plotline I could think of would involve the obviously engineered environment of Pandora. What happens when the Creators (Navi ancestors, AI, aliens, ???) wake up. Would the two sides have to cooperate against them (humans in danger because they messed with the planet and bullied the Children, Navi because they want to be free and disrespect Mommy and Daddy)? But there's no hint of anything like that in the A2 trailers.... just more cool landscapes, spiritualism and Yankee Go Home...
 
2022-11-30 11:01:18 PM  

hubiestubert: He wants props for finally coming back to a franchise that most folks thought was long discarded.


Is that accurate? Or is it more accurate to say that most folks didn't think about it at all?
 
2022-11-30 11:09:47 PM  

Branch Dravidian: Avatar was fine. It was its era's Jurassic Park... boilerplate script, an A-List cast mostly phoning it in... but also a technological milestone, very well made and very watchable. Certainly more watchable than Semi-annual Transformers Sequel or whatever...


I'm going to have to disagree.  Sure, Jurassic Park was more spectacular than script, but it DID have a decent script with some very memorable characters.

Even if I can't think of their names at the moment, everyone who had more than a few minutes of screen time gave us a memorable character with some memorable scenes and/or lines.  But just the first one... the sequels have followed a pretty consistent downhill trend.
 
2022-11-30 11:10:27 PM  

Branch Dravidian: Avatar was fine. It was its era's Jurassic Park... boilerplate script, an A-List cast mostly phoning it in... but also a technological milestone, very well made and very watchable. Certainly more watchable than Semi-annual Transformers Sequel or whatever...

The problem going forward was that there was barely enough story to fill one 2.5 hour movie, much less a Star Wars length saga.


Star Wars Triology: 6h 15m
Avatar 1 + 2: 5h 53m

Something few are mentioning, but this second movie? 3 hours and 12 minute run time.
3. Hours. There are 3 more movies to come, by the time he's done ... we're going to be around 15-16h in length, or 2.5 Star Wars trilogies. 

The fact that he's talking like it's going to fail right now is some bad juju for the film.

maxandgrinch: Wake me when it makes the $2bn in production costs and starts making a profit.


Avatar 1's box office was $2.7 billion. They are already making a profit. That doesn't include home sales.
 
2022-11-30 11:11:53 PM  

Branch Dravidian: Avatar was fine. It was its era's Jurassic Park...


Not even close. Jurassic Park spawned an avalanche of imitators, and scenes like the T-Rex signaling its approach with the ripples in the water are still impactful to this day. I can't think of a single defining moment from Avatar that ingrained itself into the popular consciousness. When people remember the movie, it's more as an overall aesthetic of immersive 3D CGI. Exactly what the 3D CGI was depicting just sort of blurs together.

Considering how many truly great action films Cameron has made, it's still surprising that Avatar turned out so rote in its execution. It's as odd as the realization that Spielberg was responsible for all the bland and forgettable set pieces in Crystal Skull, rather than a far less talented director who'd never seen an Indiana Jones film before and had previously only directed industrial training videos.
 
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