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(Law and Crime)   Eric and Kelso can't come to agreement. So Hyde gets a do-over   (lawandcrime.com) divider line
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2022-11-30 6:39:53 PM  
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2022-11-30 9:12:38 PM  
If that jury wasn't threatened by Scientologists, I'll eat my hat.
 
2022-11-30 9:50:49 PM  

Exile On Beale Street: If that jury wasn't threatened by Scientologists, I'll eat my hat.


Threatened? Nah. Bribed? It's entirely possible.
 
2022-12-01 2:36:25 AM  

Exile On Beale Street: If that jury wasn't threatened by Scientologists, I'll eat my hat.


Ehhh, the Scientologists getting to 12 of the jurors seems like a bit much.

It's more that its so incredibly difficult to prove rape 20 years after the fact when there isn't any physical evidence from the time.
 
2022-12-01 3:26:31 AM  
The Co$ has been a lot of things over the decades, but they don't bribe juries in 2022, or threaten them. It's just not an easy case to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.  OJ and Casey Anthony didn't need a cult either.
 
2022-12-01 4:02:53 AM  
Scientology isn't toothless yet.
All they had to do is turn one jurist, and it seems they did.
 
2022-12-01 4:11:53 AM  

Trik: Scientology isn't toothless yet.
All they had to do is turn one jurist, and it seems they did.


12 Angry Thetans?
 
2022-12-01 6:06:49 AM  

Krazikarl: Exile On Beale Street: If that jury wasn't threatened by Scientologists, I'll eat my hat.

Ehhh, the Scientologists getting to 12 of the jurors seems like a bit much.

It's more that its so incredibly difficult to prove rape 20 years after the fact when there isn't any physical evidence from the time.


Nooooooooooo! Issa conspiracy.
 
2022-12-01 6:07:20 AM  

Exile On Beale Street: If that jury wasn't threatened by Scientologists, I'll eat my hat.


How much money did L. Ron get from you people?
 
2022-12-01 7:47:53 AM  

Confabulat: The Co$ has been a lot of things over the decades, but they don't bribe juries in 2022, or threaten them. It's just not an easy case to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.  OJ and Casey Anthony didn't need a cult either.


Bingo.  When you get 8 and 10 not guilties, you aren't even close to having proved your case but you're far beyond the number of people who any outside party might be able to (a) coerce and (b) keep quiet.  Prosecution didn't come close to proving it's case, and those numbers make it pretty clear they won't be able to prove their case.
 
2022-12-01 8:20:07 AM  

Krazikarl: Exile On Beale Street: If that jury wasn't threatened by Scientologists, I'll eat my hat.

Ehhh, the Scientologists getting to 12 of the jurors seems like a bit much.

It's more that its so incredibly difficult to prove rape 20 years after the fact when there isn't any physical evidence from the time.


Yes, exactly.

This is why all these cases that keep popping up after 20, 30, 40, 50, or 60 years later is just stupid.  It's absolutely impossible (well, pretty close to impossible anyway) to prove that much later.

Did it happen?  I don't know.
Did it not happen? I don't know.

You don't.  I don't.  The jury sure as hell doesn't either.

/Hard enough to prove as it is.
 
2022-12-01 8:32:19 AM  

Trik: Scientology isn't toothless yet.
All they had to do is turn one jurist, and it seems they did.


It says 8 - 10 were for acquittal.

I know it sounds crazy, but maybe the guy didn't do it?
 
2022-12-01 8:32:50 AM  
FTFA: ...(Danny Masterson's) lawyer, Philip Cohen... said he spoke with some jurors after the mistrial but declined to describe the discussion beyond calling it "incredibly helpful and illuminating."  He said he won't change his approach if there's a retrial, saying "I love this case."

It's a rape trial. Remind us all again why people hate lawyers so goddamn much.
 
2022-12-01 8:48:44 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Trik: Scientology isn't toothless yet.
All they had to do is turn one jurist, and it seems they did.

It says 8 - 10 were for acquittal.

I know it sounds crazy, but maybe the guy didn't do it?


From the Numbers, to me it sounds like they almost proved did one not all 3 maybe tried individually he'd get convicted on one charge of being a cultist rapist and get to room with that Dugger asshole
 
2022-12-01 8:57:17 AM  

Tom_Slick: HotWingConspiracy: Trik: Scientology isn't toothless yet.
All they had to do is turn one jurist, and it seems they did.

It says 8 - 10 were for acquittal.

I know it sounds crazy, but maybe the guy didn't do it?

From the Numbers, to me it sounds like they almost proved did one not all 3 maybe tried individually he'd get convicted on one charge of being a cultist rapist and get to room with that Dugger asshole


"Almost proved" is a strange way to look at it
 
2022-12-01 9:06:13 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: ...(Danny Masterson's) lawyer, Philip Cohen... said he spoke with some jurors after the mistrial but declined to describe the discussion beyond calling it "incredibly helpful and illuminating."  He said he won't change his approach if there's a retrial, saying "I love this case."

It's a rape trial. Remind us all again why people hate lawyers so goddamn much.


It's poor phrasing, but lawyers often say they "love" a case when they feel the facts or the law are so clearly on their side that they would try it time and time again with little fear of losing.  It's a rare occurrence in the legal profession as cases that skewed rarely get tried, unless for reasons other than the actual merits of the case.  It's his way of pushing against a retrial stating he has no doubt the outcome would be the same ... and based on the numbers from the jury survey, it seems he's correct.
 
2022-12-01 9:21:41 AM  

elvindeath: Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: ...(Danny Masterson's) lawyer, Philip Cohen... said he spoke with some jurors after the mistrial but declined to describe the discussion beyond calling it "incredibly helpful and illuminating."  He said he won't change his approach if there's a retrial, saying "I love this case."

It's a rape trial. Remind us all again why people hate lawyers so goddamn much.

It's poor phrasing, but lawyers often say they "love" a case when they feel the facts or the law are so clearly on their side that they would try it time and time again with little fear of losing.  It's a rare occurrence in the legal profession as cases that skewed rarely get tried, unless for reasons other than the actual merits of the case.  It's his way of pushing against a retrial stating he has no doubt the outcome would be the same ... and based on the numbers from the jury survey, it seems he's correct.


I undertstand that, I clerked for a personal injury shyster after college who routinely said the same kind of smug, thoughtless sh*t: "Potential client coming in at 3:00, got hit by a train. Lot of good injuries."

As much of an asshole as my guy was (eventually went to prison for stealing client money) he had the common goddamn sense not to talk like that to the press.
 
2022-12-01 9:35:21 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Tom_Slick: HotWingConspiracy: Trik: Scientology isn't toothless yet.
All they had to do is turn one jurist, and it seems they did.

It says 8 - 10 were for acquittal.

I know it sounds crazy, but maybe the guy didn't do it?

From the Numbers, to me it sounds like they almost proved did one not all 3 maybe tried individually he'd get convicted on one charge of being a cultist rapist and get to room with that Dugger asshole

"Almost proved" is a strange way to look at it


10-2 is pretty convincing
 
2022-12-01 9:39:11 AM  

jake3988: Krazikarl: Exile On Beale Street: If that jury wasn't threatened by Scientologists, I'll eat my hat.

Ehhh, the Scientologists getting to 12 of the jurors seems like a bit much.

It's more that its so incredibly difficult to prove rape 20 years after the fact when there isn't any physical evidence from the time.

Yes, exactly.

This is why all these cases that keep popping up after 20, 30, 40, 50, or 60 years later is just stupid.  It's absolutely impossible (well, pretty close to impossible anyway) to prove that much later.

Did it happen?  I don't know.
Did it not happen? I don't know.

You don't.  I don't.  The jury sure as hell doesn't either.

/Hard enough to prove as it is.


Rape and Murder are more complicated, hence the extended timelines.

Here's the problem: A lot of rape victims go into denial, or think they don't have the social standing/etc to challenge their rapist. It's a trauma you *want* to bury and try to go on with your life, and it takes an extraordinary amount of courage to come forward even after 20 years. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, 20 years is a long time for any level of viable evidence to just sit. And with denial, I'm guessing many victims don't take steps to actively preserve it when it happens. So you end up with this situation - where the victims are likely telling the truth, but you don't have enough to convince a jury.

We need these extended statues of limitations to let victims process and deal with their trauma so they can bring at least some to justice. Or at least accuse them.
 
2022-12-01 9:49:34 AM  

Tom_Slick: HotWingConspiracy: Tom_Slick: HotWingConspiracy: Trik: Scientology isn't toothless yet.
All they had to do is turn one jurist, and it seems they did.

It says 8 - 10 were for acquittal.

I know it sounds crazy, but maybe the guy didn't do it?

From the Numbers, to me it sounds like they almost proved did one not all 3 maybe tried individually he'd get convicted on one charge of being a cultist rapist and get to room with that Dugger asshole

"Almost proved" is a strange way to look at it

10-2 is pretty convincing


Not in the US court system.
 
2022-12-01 9:52:36 AM  

cyberspacedout: Exile On Beale Street: If that jury wasn't threatened by Scientologists, I'll eat my hat.

Threatened? Nah. Bribed? It's entirely possible.


Occam's Razor: people never believe the woman
 
2022-12-01 10:32:40 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Tom_Slick: HotWingConspiracy: Tom_Slick: HotWingConspiracy: Trik: Scientology isn't toothless yet.
All they had to do is turn one jurist, and it seems they did.

It says 8 - 10 were for acquittal.

I know it sounds crazy, but maybe the guy didn't do it?

From the Numbers, to me it sounds like they almost proved did one not all 3 maybe tried individually he'd get convicted on one charge of being a cultist rapist and get to room with that Dugger asshole

"Almost proved" is a strange way to look at it

10-2 is pretty convincing

Not in the US court system.


It was 10 - 2 to Acquit.  In other words, only 2 out of 12 jurors found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.  In the US court system, where it only takes 1 voting "not guilty" to avoid conviction, that indicates the vast majority of the jurors were not convinced.  This one isn't even close.  The guy may be a douchebag and Scientology is a terrible blight and all that, but the court of public opinion is not a court of law.  He's innocent until proven guilty and they aren't even close to proving him guilty of the crimes alleged.  I'd be shocked if it gets retried.
 
2022-12-01 10:53:43 AM  

elvindeath: HotWingConspiracy: Tom_Slick: HotWingConspiracy: Tom_Slick: HotWingConspiracy: Trik: Scientology isn't toothless yet.
All they had to do is turn one jurist, and it seems they did.

It says 8 - 10 were for acquittal.

I know it sounds crazy, but maybe the guy didn't do it?

From the Numbers, to me it sounds like they almost proved did one not all 3 maybe tried individually he'd get convicted on one charge of being a cultist rapist and get to room with that Dugger asshole

"Almost proved" is a strange way to look at it

10-2 is pretty convincing

Not in the US court system.

It was 10 - 2 to Acquit.  In other words, only 2 out of 12 jurors found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.  In the US court system, where it only takes 1 voting "not guilty" to avoid conviction, that indicates the vast majority of the jurors were not convinced.  This one isn't even close.  The guy may be a douchebag and Scientology is a terrible blight and all that, but the court of public opinion is not a court of law.  He's innocent until proven guilty and they aren't even close to proving him guilty of the crimes alleged.  I'd be shocked if it gets retried.


Ok it looked like the other poster was saying 10 -2 guilty, but that wouldn't mean "almost proved". Not to me anyhow.

I'm in the same space with Kevin Spacey. Everyone has vilified him, but every single accusation against him has fallen apart spectacularly. I have to at least allow for the possibility that he's completely innocent.
 
2022-12-01 11:17:46 AM  

elvindeath: HotWingConspiracy: Tom_Slick: HotWingConspiracy: Tom_Slick: HotWingConspiracy: Trik: Scientology isn't toothless yet.
All they had to do is turn one jurist, and it seems they did.

It says 8 - 10 were for acquittal.

I know it sounds crazy, but maybe the guy didn't do it?

From the Numbers, to me it sounds like they almost proved did one not all 3 maybe tried individually he'd get convicted on one charge of being a cultist rapist and get to room with that Dugger asshole

"Almost proved" is a strange way to look at it

10-2 is pretty convincing

Not in the US court system.

It was 10 - 2 to Acquit.  In other words, only 2 out of 12 jurors found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.  In the US court system, where it only takes 1 voting "not guilty" to avoid conviction, that indicates the vast majority of the jurors were not convinced.  This one isn't even close.  The guy may be a douchebag and Scientology is a terrible blight and all that, but the court of public opinion is not a court of law.  He's innocent until proven guilty and they aren't even close to proving him guilty of the crimes alleged.  I'd be shocked if it gets retried.


In other words, the jury is still out, as it were.
 
2022-12-01 11:50:24 AM  

Somaticasual: We need these extended statues of limitations to let victims process and deal with their trauma so they can bring at least some to justice. Or at least accuse them.


It is nearly impossible to prove something happened with no evidence from decades ago...so let's expand the window out further for more trials that can't be proven?
 
2022-12-01 11:55:29 AM  

mjbok: Somaticasual: We need these extended statues of limitations to let victims process and deal with their trauma so they can bring at least some to justice. Or at least accuse them.

It is nearly impossible to prove something happened with no evidence from decades ago...so let's expand the window out further for more trials that can't be proven?


No.
Let's keep the window open so victims can seek justice when denial wears off, even if they don't win the case.
 
2022-12-01 12:36:24 PM  
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2022-12-01 1:46:15 PM  
Eric and Donna are just happy that they get a Leia-free 1995 summer since they sent her to Red and Kitty's.

/trailer dropped earlier this week
 
2022-12-01 4:33:03 PM  

Somaticasual: mjbok: Somaticasual: We need these extended statues of limitations to let victims process and deal with their trauma so they can bring at least some to justice. Or at least accuse them.

It is nearly impossible to prove something happened with no evidence from decades ago...so let's expand the window out further for more trials that can't be proven?

No.
Let's keep the window open so victims can seek justice when denial wears off, even if they don't win the case.


Sad for whomever funnied that. 

You are *actively* shaming a victim for simply wanting others to be able to pursue whatever form of justice they choose in the wake of their trauma.
 
2022-12-01 7:15:45 PM  
Danny Masterson's wife, Bijou Phillips, has attended every day of the trial, and she's often joined by her half-sisters, Chynna Phillips and Mackenzie Phillips. The Phillips sisters' father was John Phillips, the late singer of the Mamas & the Papas.

At least he married into a stable family dynamic.
 
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