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2022-11-30 8:38:19 PM  
Quarterly Earnings Reports Uber Alles.

'Murica.
 
2022-11-30 9:52:03 PM  
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2022-11-30 10:26:56 PM  
Every COVID infection runs the risk of incremental permanent organ damage.  Go ahead with your 'natural immunity' and refusal to use masks because your corporate-bought politicians go along with the 'muh rights!' crap.   You're still going to be wheezing your way through your final time on Earth.

Of course, you can wheeze happily knowing you made others unwillingly suffer along with you, so you've got that going for you asshole.
 
2022-11-30 10:27:43 PM  
Done in one.

Short term profits > Everything else
 
2022-11-30 10:33:19 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Every COVID infection runs the risk of incremental permanent organ damage.  Go ahead with your 'natural immunity' and refusal to use masks because your corporate-bought politicians go along with the 'muh rights!' crap.   You're still going to be wheezing your way through your final time on Earth.

Of course, you can wheeze happily knowing you made others unwillingly suffer along with you, so you've got that going for you asshole.


Plus the more processed foods and added sugar they consume, the more sick they're gonna get.

Covid affects your health at the metabolic level as does processed foods, it's a double whammy.
 
2022-11-30 10:36:40 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Every COVID infection runs the risk of incremental permanent organ damage.  Go ahead with your 'natural immunity' and refusal to use masks because your corporate-bought politicians go along with the 'muh rights!' crap.   You're still going to be wheezing your way through your final time on Earth.

Of course, you can wheeze happily knowing you made others unwillingly suffer along with you, so you've got that going for you asshole.


I am fully vaxxed and double boosted (except for the latest booster) and got COVID about 3 weeks ago.  Other than some muscle and joint pain, along with a shiatty head cold feeling, I fared quite well.. I was able to work without limitations and AFAIK haven't suffered any sort of organ damage other than my usual self-inflicted booze comas six times a week.  Or is it seven times a week? Or nine?  It's all been a blur since 2016.
 
2022-11-30 10:50:28 PM  
It'll be far, far costlier than that.  We are headed towards societal collapse territory.  It's not just the illness, which will come to be the most significant plague since Europeans visited the Amazon, but rather the complete erosion of trust in institutions that will accompany it.  If you thought Ivermectin was bad, wait until the Ivermectin set figures out that health authorities 100% knew it was going to disable no less than 85% of the people exposed in under a decade yet decided to let it rip because pharma bros were telling them their products would render it naught but cold.  Those boys own guns and they'll be looking to reclaim their honor as The Big D approaches.
 
2022-11-30 11:05:15 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: It'll be far, far costlier than that.  We are headed towards societal collapse territory.  It's not just the illness, which will come to be the most significant plague since Europeans visited the Amazon, but rather the complete erosion of trust in institutions that will accompany it.  If you thought Ivermectin was bad, wait until the Ivermectin set figures out that health authorities 100% knew it was going to disable no less than 85% of the people exposed in under a decade yet decided to let it rip because pharma bros were telling them their products would render it naught but cold.  Those boys own guns and they'll be looking to reclaim their honor as The Big D approaches.


My True Believer family members will never admit their opinions were harmful.  A cousin who wrote a screed about the FDA still won't talk to me because I worked with the FDA on medical devices which have literally nothing to do with vaccines or the section of the FDA responsible for biologics.
 
2022-11-30 11:18:55 PM  
You guys lap up this manufactured drivel, believe it with your whole heart and then preach it as if its gospel - without ever giving it critical thought - just because you want the narrative to be true.  When these doomsday prophecies don't come true (and they don't), it doesn't shake your faith at all.  Instead of rejecting the liars spouting nonsense to control you, you just look for the next article or person preaching more doomsday judgement and condemnation to those who don't believe because it justifies your faith in your social and/or political religion and its leaders.

This article is pure conjecture and hyperbole loosely based on facts.

/Yes - I'm hoping to shake some people into thinking critically so they stop drinking the kool-aid.  That's a tall order on Fark I know - but still trying.
 
2022-11-30 11:19:46 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: It'll be far, far costlier than that.  We are headed towards societal collapse territory.  It's not just the illness, which will come to be the most significant plague since Europeans visited the Amazon, but rather the complete erosion of trust in institutions that will accompany it.  If you thought Ivermectin was bad, wait until the Ivermectin set figures out that health authorities 100% knew it was going to disable no less than 85% of the people exposed in under a decade yet decided to let it rip because pharma bros were telling them their products would render it naught but cold.  Those boys own guns and they'll be looking to reclaim their honor as The Big D approaches.


The Big D? She got the Big D:
Wet Leg - Chaise Longue (Official Video)
Youtube Zd9jeJk2UHQ
 
2022-11-30 11:22:57 PM  
Why would the companies care?  Fire them and get a new person without long Covid.
 
2022-11-30 11:37:02 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: It'll be far, far costlier than that.  We are headed towards societal collapse territory.  It's not just the illness, which will come to be the most significant plague since Europeans visited the Amazon, but rather the complete erosion of trust in institutions that will accompany it.  If you thought Ivermectin was bad, wait until the Ivermectin set figures out that health authorities 100% knew it was going to disable no less than 85% of the people exposed in under a decade yet decided to let it rip because pharma bros were telling them their products would render it naught but cold.  Those boys own guns and they'll be looking to reclaim their honor as The Big D approaches.


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2022-12-01 12:05:34 AM  

markie_farkie: AFAIK haven't suffered any sort of organ damage


I hope you didn't, but how could you possibly know?
 
2022-12-01 12:06:57 AM  

garron: You guys lap up this manufactured drivel, believe it with your whole heart and then preach it as if its gospel - without ever giving it critical thought - just because you want the narrative to be true.  When these doomsday prophecies don't come true (and they don't), it doesn't shake your faith at all.  Instead of rejecting the liars spouting nonsense to control you, you just look for the next article or person preaching more doomsday judgement and condemnation to those who don't believe because it justifies your faith in your social and/or political religion and its leaders.

This article is pure conjecture and hyperbole loosely based on facts.

/Yes - I'm hoping to shake some people into thinking critically so they stop drinking the kool-aid.  That's a tall order on Fark I know - but still trying.


You forgot to mention that libs are hurrble durrble herpaty terpity tee.
 
2022-12-01 12:13:17 AM  
Vaxxed, boosted, bivalent boosted, and always masking. We managed three years but finally got it. My wife's brother lives in our spare bedroom (it's a long, stupid story) and he somehow gave it to our three-year-old daughter. Since BAs hiats kids in weird ways, it presented as just a stomach bug. The nurse at our pediatrician's office was suspicious and gave her a COVID test. She was positive, and everybody in the house got sick three days later. Hoping we see no weird after effects 😕. I'm back in the gym and seem to be fine, but time will tell. My buddy who got it early on has had chest pains ever since.

On the plus side, farkstick BIL is moving out.
 
2022-12-01 1:36:14 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: It'll be far, far costlier than that.  We are headed towards societal collapse territory.  It's not just the illness, which will come to be the most significant plague since Europeans visited the Amazon, but rather the complete erosion of trust in institutions that will accompany it.  If you thought Ivermectin was bad, wait until the Ivermectin set figures out that health authorities 100% knew it was going to disable no less than 85% of the people exposed in under a decade yet decided to let it rip because pharma bros were telling them their products would render it naught but cold.  Those boys own guns and they'll be looking to reclaim their honor as The Big D approaches.


Don't get me wrong, it likely will be a significant economic/societal hit. However, I'm going to need to see some sources on the 85% claim.

/also, that trust is already gone--the younger set are likely going to take their public health cues from Europe and Asia going forward.
 
2022-12-01 2:10:14 AM  

themindiswatching: backhand.slap.of.reason: It'll be far, far costlier than that.  We are headed towards societal collapse territory.  It's not just the illness, which will come to be the most significant plague since Europeans visited the Amazon, but rather the complete erosion of trust in institutions that will accompany it.  If you thought Ivermectin was bad, wait until the Ivermectin set figures out that health authorities 100% knew it was going to disable no less than 85% of the people exposed in under a decade yet decided to let it rip because pharma bros were telling them their products would render it naught but cold.  Those boys own guns and they'll be looking to reclaim their honor as The Big D approaches.

Don't get me wrong, it likely will be a significant economic/societal hit. However, I'm going to need to see some sources on the 85% claim.

/also, that trust is already gone--the younger set are likely going to take their public health cues from Europe and Asia going forward.


Yeah, after you read a few more of this guy's posts about covid, you'll quickly learn that they're suited for amusement but not information.

What we do know for a fact is, every infection equals a 25% chance of lasting symptoms and about a 5% chance of what we will learn to our horror are lifelong symptoms.

The original SARS gave people what we now call "long covid" at a truly terrifying rate, 33%. Basically all of those 1/3 are still suffering from a godawful range of health problems 20 years later. From the obvious (massive lung damage) to the bizzare (bone necrosis).

Bottom line, if the monstrosity has left you disabled for over a year... That's gonna be the rest of your life barring a pharmacological miracle. It's already been definitively found, long covid at 1yr = 98% probability of long covid at 2yr.

/N95 in all public places, no exceptions, no removal
 
2022-12-01 2:33:57 AM  

Likwit: Vaxxed, boosted, bivalent boosted, and always masking. We managed three years but finally got it.


There isn't really a defense if someone in your household brings it home.
 
2022-12-01 2:34:47 AM  

erik-k: /N95 in all public places, no exceptions, no removal


That's somewhat excessive, to the point of being misguided:

(1) Cloth masks work to an extent that for practical purposes the difference between N95 and a typical unsealed cotton surgical mask is negligible/nonexistent

(2) If you're fully vaccinated it's only necessary to mask up in high-density situations and situations where you'll be around vulnerable people specifically.  Public areas that are outdoors are generally safe even if you're not vaccinated and masked if you're doing the basic two-meter distancing.

(3) Kind of like how reducing your usage is a better conservation practice than recycling, the impact on your risk numbers of simply not going into enclosed public places when not necessary is going to be much, much greater than any degree of masking.  If you go to the grocery store once every two weeks without a mask, you'll be taking on only a rounding error over half as much exposure risk as if you went once a week with a mask.  Once you're vaccinated, obsessing over the mask is putting your focus in the wrong place.

(Summary) Your order of priority should be "vaccines current" > "only go to populated indoor spaces to the minimum necessary" > "social distance when in such spaces" > "mask up" >>>>> any specific specs on the mask.

// Probably the most impactful thing you can do for your health plague-wise is just take up a hobby that's outdoors and doesn't involve being in hugging distance of other people, instead of socializing at the bar or whatever.  Like... having it be something where you still socialize is actually important, just holing up in your apartment is a good way to have your patience snap and just give up on risk control entirely.
 
2022-12-01 3:38:06 AM  

Jim_Callahan: (1) Cloth masks work to an extent that for practical purposes the difference between N95 and a typical unsealed cotton surgical mask is negligible/nonexistent


Got a link for that?  It would be great if corroboratable.
 
2022-12-01 3:51:22 AM  
"Made his numbers" by disobeying protocols and safety measures and lied to his workers about what Tesla was supposed to provide to keep them safe.  Musk got his obscene bonus.  For any shiatheads that still worship the douche, know that at least 12 workers died as a direct result of going back early, without protection and many more were infected, with future health issues to come.

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2022-12-01 4:02:51 AM  
Had me by the nads for a good 18 months, then tapered off suddenly, after receiving antibiotics for a sinus infection. I know I'm still not out of the woods as I got something over T-Day that's giving me aches and that gawddamn brain fog so bad I can't even tie my own shoes.
 
2022-12-01 4:18:27 AM  
What 'allow'? Virtually everyone is going to be infected sooner or later whatever they do short of living in the wilderness avoiding all human contact. The vaccines help keep us safe when we get it, but the only place not 'allowing' covid infection is China, and we've seen how well that's going lately.
 
2022-12-01 5:00:36 AM  
I am really frustrated they aren't opening second boosters up to folks in Finland yet, except for those who are in an at-risk group. At least, that was the info last I checked, I supposeI should go see if it's changed.
 
2022-12-01 8:18:17 AM  

garron: You guys lap up this manufactured drivel, believe it with your whole heart and then preach it as if its gospel - without ever giving it critical thought - just because you want the narrative to be true.  When these doomsday prophecies don't come true (and they don't), it doesn't shake your faith at all.  Instead of rejecting the liars spouting nonsense to control you, you just look for the next article or person preaching more doomsday judgement and condemnation to those who don't believe because it justifies your faith in your social and/or political religion and its leaders.

This article is pure conjecture and hyperbole loosely based on facts.

/Yes - I'm hoping to shake some people into thinking critically so they stop drinking the kool-aid.  That's a tall order on Fark I know - but still trying.


The ultracrepidarian talked about virology as if he were Jonas Salk himself but had no real knowledge of the subject.
 
2022-12-01 8:46:23 AM  

BunkyBrewman: ultracrepidarian


Wow...I thought I was the only person who used "ultracrepidate"  Most impressive!
 
2022-12-01 9:06:25 AM  
It's JUST THE FLU!

PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS!

NEW WORLD ORDER!

MICROCHIPS!

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Clearly, we need to REDUCE benefits, to get these LAZY people back to work.

Be sick on your own time.
 
2022-12-01 9:13:14 AM  

MythRender: BunkyBrewman: ultracrepidarian

Wow...I thought I was the only person who used "ultracrepidate"  Most impressive!


Don't be too impressed since I just learned that word today.  It's from a link on TotalFark right now that hasn't been greenlit yet.

Here's the article from MSN

TotalFark link
 
2022-12-01 3:28:29 PM  
'Membuh when all the COVID deniers concentrated on was death? Death, death, death. No recognition that this COVID shat could affect people for the rest of their lives, even though doctors and most thinking people told them it would ever since the syndrome was discovered shortly into the pandemic Just death. Nothing but death. All about the deaths. If you didn't die that was perfectly okay because that would keep the actual impact numbers smaller, supporting their insanity that COVID wasn't that bad. "ItS JUsT tHE FLu".

There can be things worse than death. Morons.
 
2022-12-01 4:07:44 PM  

Moose out front: Done in one.

Short term profits > Everything else


Disagree.  This isn't about short term profits, it's about externalizing costs.  The companies demanding the workers risk infection aren't the ones that are going to have to pay the disability costs.

erik-k: The original SARS gave people what we now call "long covid" at a truly terrifying rate, 33%. Basically all of those 1/3 are still suffering from a godawful range of health problems 20 years later. From the obvious (massive lung damage) to the bizzare (bone necrosis).

Bottom line, if the monstrosity has left you disabled for over a year... That's gonna be the rest of your life barring a pharmacological miracle. It's already been definitively found, long covid at 1yr = 98% probability of long covid at 2yr.


I think it's pretty clear that much of long covid is damage at a microscopic level.  Some heals, some doesn't.  Things that don't heal reasonably soon rarely heal at all.

Jim_Callahan: (1) Cloth masks work to an extent that for practical purposes the difference between N95 and a typical unsealed cotton surgical mask is negligible/nonexistent


Disagree--we have that one recent study but it didn't control for infection outside the medical context, nor did it control for compliance.

Jim_Callahan: (3) Kind of like how reducing your usage is a better conservation practice than recycling, the impact on your risk numbers of simply not going into enclosed public places when not necessary is going to be much, much greater than any degree of masking. If you go to the grocery store once every two weeks without a mask, you'll be taking on only a rounding error over half as much exposure risk as if you went once a week with a mask. Once you're vaccinated, obsessing over the mask is putting your focus in the wrong place.


Against Omicron the vaccine is pretty much just about reduced severity.

I'm on team N95 everywhere.
 
2022-12-01 5:55:14 PM  

Jim_Callahan: erik-k: /N95 in all public places, no exceptions, no removal

That's somewhat excessive, to the point of being misguided:

(1) Cloth masks work to an extent that for practical purposes the difference between N95 and a typical unsealed cotton surgical mask is negligible/nonexistent

(2) If you're fully vaccinated it's only necessary to mask up in high-density situations and situations where you'll be around vulnerable people specifically.  Public areas that are outdoors are generally safe even if you're not vaccinated and masked if you're doing the basic two-meter distancing.

(3) Kind of like how reducing your usage is a better conservation practice than recycling, the impact on your risk numbers of simply not going into enclosed public places when not necessary is going to be much, much greater than any degree of masking.  If you go to the grocery store once every two weeks without a mask, you'll be taking on only a rounding error over half as much exposure risk as if you went once a week with a mask.  Once you're vaccinated, obsessing over the mask is putting your focus in the wrong place.

(Summary) Your order of priority should be "vaccines current" > "only go to populated indoor spaces to the minimum necessary" > "social distance when in such spaces" > "mask up" >>>>> any specific specs on the mask.

// Probably the most impactful thing you can do for your health plague-wise is just take up a hobby that's outdoors and doesn't involve being in hugging distance of other people, instead of socializing at the bar or whatever.  Like... having it be something where you still socialize is actually important, just holing up in your apartment is a good way to have your patience snap and just give up on risk control entirely.


I should've perhaps included a *inside for masking... Given the effectively infinite ventilation outside which means the only way to be infected is to be within a few feet of an infectious person directly downwind, I don't wear a mask outside. Which is good because my outdoor activities generally require air as fast as I can breathe it :)

Must disagree about the effectiveness of practical non-MBPP masks though. While it is true that properly multilayered (600tpi cotton between chiffron e.g.) mask material can approach the filtration level of an N95, what makes an N95 different is that it's designed to seal such that it also intercepts virtually 100% of what you inhale, because any mask has 0% effectiveness on the air that bypasses it. And unfortunately, because air is close to inviscid, it only takes a shockingly small gap to dramatically compromise protection. A 1 square centimeter cumulative gap, or about 1cm of beard, takes an N95 down to 80%. 2 square millimeters reduces it to below N95. In terms of inhalation, a mask without a nose bridge may as well not be worn.
 
2022-12-01 7:31:53 PM  

erik-k: Which is good because my outdoor activities generally require air as fast as I can breathe it :)


Be careful doing that outside. You can get in a lot of trouble.

Perv.
 
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