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(CNN)   Why "Love Actually" and the insipid nostalgia built around it is a symptom of everything that's wrong with American cinema, Hollywood, and movie audiences   (cnn.com) divider line
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2022-11-30 4:30:14 PM  
It beats the constant stream of MCU crap. There are many gems, but most of MCU is cash-grab level stuff.
 
2022-11-30 4:38:57 PM  
That movie needs to go to a sexual harassment seminar.
 
2022-11-30 4:40:35 PM  

Drunken Rampage: It beats the constant stream of MCU crap. There are many gems, but most of MCU is cash-grab level stuff.


And love actually isn't a cash grab?

It's the entertainment BUSINESS. even quirky art project indie films would like to make some money.
 
2022-11-30 4:55:00 PM  

Shostie: That movie needs to go to a sexual harassment seminar.


Most rom coms have plots that would land someone fired or in jail if they actually did it in real life. So many send the message that all you have to do is stalk someone long enough and harass them and eventually they'll fall in love with you.

/Ironically the one thread in Love Actually that is cited as an example is actually the opposite. The guy who is in love with his best friends new bride and ends up outside their door holding flash cards is actually a character who recognises his feelings are wrong and who has gone out of his way not to act on them. She finds out by accident and those flashcards are him saying "We're cool, I'll leave you alone"
 
2022-11-30 4:55:12 PM  
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Let people enjoy insipid things and have fun 4 christmas season!
 
2022-11-30 4:58:04 PM  
It is both an objectively terrible and yet still perfectly charming Christmas movie.
 
2022-11-30 5:08:44 PM  
Isn't this movie far more "British cinema" rather than American?
 
2022-11-30 5:31:26 PM  

Shostie: That movie needs to go to a sexual harassment seminar.


The only healthy relationship in that movie is between Bill Nighy's character and his manager.

// And the four completely average American girls who sleep in the same bed.
 
2022-11-30 6:16:44 PM  

Eightballjacket: Isn't this movie far more "British cinema" rather than American?


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2022-11-30 6:20:54 PM  

leeksfromchichis: Drunken Rampage: It beats the constant stream of MCU crap. There are many gems, but most of MCU is cash-grab level stuff.

And love actually isn't a cash grab?

It's the entertainment BUSINESS. even quirky art project indie films would like to make some money.


It probably is. Like you said, it's a business and they have to do whatever sells.

It's all entertainment and little "art". Much of the product is cash-grabbier than others.
 
2022-11-30 6:40:35 PM  

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Let people enjoy insipid things and have fun 4 christmas season!


It needs to be held accountable for all the rapes it inspired.
 
2022-11-30 6:43:13 PM  
You know what? You don't have to watch the dang thing.

Let people have their favorites, even if it's not what you like. Didn't the 80s and 90s teach you ANYTHING about cinema? You can love B-Movies, stoopid comedies, period dramas, insightful and poignant thinkums, musicals, gore fests, and animated kids movies, and it's NOT the end of the world. You can like the serious stuff, and still have a thing for rom-coms or bad Sci-Fi, or even all three, plus a bit more.

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2022-11-30 6:45:50 PM  

hubiestubert: You know what? You don't have to watch the dang thing.

Let people have their favorites, even if it's not what you like. Didn't the 80s and 90s teach you ANYTHING about cinema? You can love B-Movies, stoopid comedies, period dramas, insightful and poignant thinkums, musicals, gore fests, and animated kids movies, and it's NOT the end of the world. You can like the serious stuff, and still have a thing for rom-coms or bad Sci-Fi, or even all three, plus a bit more.

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But how will strangers on the internet know how much better I am than them if I don't tell them the things they like are trash and how much better my judgement is!?
 
2022-11-30 6:49:15 PM  
If enjoying watching Bill Nighy as Billy Mack is wrong, then everyone can just go fark off.
 
2022-11-30 6:50:06 PM  
I actually read the article and still can't figure out how the author tied Love Actually to Hollywood's problem with nostalgia (through Star Wars, MCU, etc.)

I have a feeling she had this nostalgia article all thought out, but then last minute her editor asked for a piece about the ABC Love Actually interviews. So she just combined them.
 
2022-11-30 6:52:34 PM  
Love Actually is generally tripe.

The scene with a silent Emma Thompson weeping in her bedroom at Christmas? One of the finest scenes in cinema.
 
2022-11-30 6:53:31 PM  
There were far too many horrible people in that movie for me to enjoy it as a stupid Christmas flick.
 
2022-11-30 6:55:53 PM  

firesign: If enjoying watching Bill Nighy as Billy Mack is wrong, then everyone can just go fark off.


"At the end of my life..." gets me every time.

// that and the string of curses he lets out when he farks up "Christmas is all around me" for the 95th time
 
2022-11-30 6:57:06 PM  
Never saw the movie. And I'm glad about it.
 
2022-11-30 6:59:34 PM  
"Love Actually" reminds me that Andrew Lincoln was annoying way before The Walking Dead.

/Team Negan
 
2022-11-30 7:02:33 PM  
Never saw it.  Is it any good?
 
2022-11-30 7:03:58 PM  

Severaux: hubiestubert: You know what? You don't have to watch the dang thing.

Let people have their favorites, even if it's not what you like. Didn't the 80s and 90s teach you ANYTHING about cinema? You can love B-Movies, stoopid comedies, period dramas, insightful and poignant thinkums, musicals, gore fests, and animated kids movies, and it's NOT the end of the world. You can like the serious stuff, and still have a thing for rom-coms or bad Sci-Fi, or even all three, plus a bit more.

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But how will strangers on the internet know how much better I am than them if I don't tell them the things they like are trash and how much better my judgement is!?


Can we just assume that there's a never ending supply of bugs up the asses of entertainment writers regarding any movie that came out before they were the target audience?
 
2022-11-30 7:11:10 PM  

Dr Dreidel: firesign: If enjoying watching Bill Nighy as Billy Mack is wrong, then everyone can just go fark off.

"At the end of my life..." gets me every time.

// that and the string of curses he lets out when he farks up "Christmas is all around me" for the 95th time


Hiya kids. Here is an important message from your Uncle Bill. Don't buy drugs. Become a pop star, and they give you them for free!

/A funny line that only Brits will get is when he says "Well Ant or Dec....".
//Ant And Dec are two TV presenters and no one really knows which one is which. They always work together and are always just "Ant And Dec".
///Ant is always the ones standing on the left.
 
2022-11-30 7:11:47 PM  

Drunken Rampage: It beats the constant stream of MCU crap. There are many gems, but most of MCU is cash-grab level stuff.


This was a pretty great Christmas installment of the MCU, though.

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2022-11-30 7:12:54 PM  

Severaux: hubiestubert: You know what? You don't have to watch the dang thing.

Let people have their favorites, even if it's not what you like. Didn't the 80s and 90s teach you ANYTHING about cinema? You can love B-Movies, stoopid comedies, period dramas, insightful and poignant thinkums, musicals, gore fests, and animated kids movies, and it's NOT the end of the world. You can like the serious stuff, and still have a thing for rom-coms or bad Sci-Fi, or even all three, plus a bit more.

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But how will strangers on the internet know how much better I am than them if I don't tell them the things they like are trash and how much better my judgement is!?



I think they could just stick with the classics and go on and on (and on and on and on) about how much they hate the Eagles.
 
2022-11-30 7:14:27 PM  
The Bill Nighy storyline is worth the cost of admission.
The Martin Freeman storyline is good.
The Liam Neeson storyline is heartwarming.

I could do without the Laura Linney storyline and the Colin Firth storyline altogether.

And the rest are just okay.

Still, I watch it most years or at least every other year around Christmastime but that's just for the warm Britishy feeling it gives me.
 
2022-11-30 7:16:55 PM  
The author uses Love, Actually's "monopoly over Christmas viewing" (what? viewers of A Christmas Story, The Man Who Came to Dinner, The Grinch, A Charlie Brown Christmas, The Shop Around the Corner, It's a Wonderful Life, Meet Me in St. Louis, White Christmas, Die Hard, and umpteen versions of A Christmas Carol would beg to differ) as an example of Hollywood's over-reliance on remakes, sequels, reboots, and tired film franchises, none of which "Love, Actually" actually is.

Every time I thought I was beginning to understand what Holly Thomas was trying to express, I would come across a phrase like "Per usual though" or "It's practically impossible for art to avoid derivation." Instead of thinking about the present state of Hollywood movies, I began to wonder how illiterate one has to be these days to qualify as a professional writer and editor.
 
2022-11-30 7:20:48 PM  
Most people who complain about the movie have obviously never actually seen it and don't understand what it's saying.  Someone that thick should not be reviewing movies, since it all goes over their head.
 
2022-11-30 7:31:24 PM  

Bungles: Love Actually is generally tripe.

The scene with a silent Emma Thompson weeping in her bedroom at Christmas? One of the finest scenes in cinema.


Emma in Remains of the Day laughs at you.
 
2022-11-30 7:34:07 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Drunken Rampage: It beats the constant stream of MCU crap. There are many gems, but most of MCU is cash-grab level stuff.

This was a pretty great Christmas installment of the MCU, though.

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Agreed. Mrs. Rampage and I saw that a couple of days ago. I'm not looking forward to sitting through the other MCU offerings she had me add to the Watch list. It's almost like we're different people or something.

No one should ever watch anything I don't like, whether I've seen it or not. (/s if you can't tell)
 
2022-11-30 7:38:14 PM  
"Per usual though, wherever "Love Actually" surfaces, it's a symptom of a bigger problem. In this instance, it's a simple one: Hollywood won't quit mining our collective nostalgia and invests so heavily in revisiting the same, tired material that fresh movies and shows get overshadowed."

Isn't the point of Xmas nostalgia?
 
2022-11-30 7:43:34 PM  

Cornelius Dribble: The author uses Love, Actually's "monopoly over Christmas viewing" (what? viewers of A Christmas Story, The Man Who Came to Dinner, The Grinch, A Charlie Brown Christmas, The Shop Around the Corner, It's a Wonderful Life, Meet Me in St. Louis, White Christmas, Die Hard, and umpteen versions of A Christmas Carol would beg to differ) as an example of Hollywood's over-reliance on remakes, sequels, reboots, and tired film franchises, none of which "Love, Actually" actually is.

Every time I thought I was beginning to understand what Holly Thomas was trying to express, I would come across a phrase like "Per usual though" or "It's practically impossible for art to avoid derivation." Instead of thinking about the present state of Hollywood movies, I began to wonder how illiterate one has to be these days to qualify as a professional writer and editor.


I think she's trying to say Love Actually is trying to be an updated Frank Capra style movie, but she handles it with all the subtlety of Helen Keller in a china shop.
 
2022-11-30 7:57:59 PM  
it's an english movie
don't blame america for it
 
2022-11-30 7:58:41 PM  

Jack Sabbath: The Bill Nighy storyline is worth the cost of admission.
The Martin Freeman storyline is good.
The Liam Neeson storyline is heartwarming.

I could do without the Laura Linney storyline and the Colin Firth storyline altogether.

And the rest are just okay.

Still, I watch it most years or at least every other year around Christmastime but that's just for the warm Britishy feeling it gives me.


I do like the Colin Firth storyline. MrsGriffin and I sometimes say to each other (when on of us surprises the other) "Just in cases." I agree that the Laura Linney storyline is way too depressing here. I love Liam's stepson's storyline. Bill Nighy's is every bit as heartwarming...well, maybe not the whole "let's get drunk and watch porn" last line. I have mixed feelings about the Emma Thompson/Alan Rickman thing. The guy going to Milwaukee is great (a'course, being from Milwaukee helps...I even think I've been to that bar!).

I gotta say that the closing montage to the Beach Boys' "God Only Knows" gets me in the feels every farkin' time, but more than anything else, because it reminds me of the "before fear" time when we could meet loved ones at the farkin' gate!
 
2022-11-30 8:01:59 PM  

stoli n coke: Can we just assume that there's a never ending supply of bugs up the asses of entertainment writers regarding any movie that came out before they were the target audience?


what is the deal with the godfather
 
2022-11-30 8:05:51 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Shostie: That movie needs to go to a sexual harassment seminar.

Most rom coms have plots that would land someone fired or in jail if they actually did it in real life. So many send the message that all you have to do is stalk someone long enough and harass them and eventually they'll fall in love with you.

/Ironically the one thread in Love Actually that is cited as an example is actually the opposite. The guy who is in love with his best friends new bride and ends up outside their door holding flash cards is actually a character who recognises his feelings are wrong and who has gone out of his way not to act on them. She finds out by accident and those flashcards are him saying "We're cool, I'll leave you alone"


Can you blame Rick Grimes for pining for Jane Foster after she married the Operative?
 
2022-11-30 8:16:09 PM  

moothemagiccow: stoli n coke: Can we just assume that there's a never ending supply of bugs up the asses of entertainment writers regarding any movie that came out before they were the target audience?

what is the deal with the godfather


People heard a line in Family Guy and spazzed all over the place.
 
2022-11-30 8:23:11 PM  
I just don't get this "Movie/Record/Book is 20/30/50 years old this year!" thing.  Like it's accomplished some feat by simply existing along with everything else...i.e. participating in the concept of "Time".  I mean, it's not exactly 1984 yet where all mention of something deemed undesirable is erased from all records as if it never existed.
 
2022-11-30 8:24:31 PM  

hubiestubert: You know what? You don't have to watch the dang thing.

Let people have their favorites, even if it's not what you like. Didn't the 80s and 90s teach you ANYTHING about cinema? You can love B-Movies, stoopid comedies, period dramas, insightful and poignant thinkums, musicals, gore fests, and animated kids movies, and it's NOT the end of the world. You can like the serious stuff, and still have a thing for rom-coms or bad Sci-Fi, or even all three, plus a bit more.

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We don't agree on some things but this we can find common ground on. We'll said.
 
2022-11-30 8:29:59 PM  

Spartapuss: SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image 425x315] [View Full Size image _x_]

Let people enjoy insipid things and have fun 4 christmas season!

It needs to be held accountable for all the rapes it inspired.


I'm sorry I can't keep the outrage machine rolling all the time like some can. It's tiring......
 
2022-11-30 8:38:27 PM  

BrianGriffin: I do like the Colin Firth storyline. MrsGriffin and I sometimes say to each other (when on of us surprises the other) "Just in cases." I agree that the Laura Linney storyline is way too depressing here. I love Liam's stepson's storyline. Bill Nighy's is every bit as heartwarming...well, maybe not the whole "let's get drunk and watch porn" last line. I have mixed feelings about the Emma Thompson/Alan Rickman thing. The guy going to Milwaukee is great (a'course, being from Milwaukee helps...I even think I've been to that bar!).



IMO the Laura Linney part and the Rickman/Thompson part are there to demonstrate that not all love is sappy and successful; there can be problems and they aren't always resolved by the end of the film.
 
2022-11-30 8:39:31 PM  
also twenty years  old

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2022-11-30 8:41:18 PM  
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2022-11-30 8:47:54 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Carter Pewterschmidt: Shostie: That movie needs to go to a sexual harassment seminar.

Most rom coms have plots that would land someone fired or in jail if they actually did it in real life. So many send the message that all you have to do is stalk someone long enough and harass them and eventually they'll fall in love with you.

/Ironically the one thread in Love Actually that is cited as an example is actually the opposite. The guy who is in love with his best friends new bride and ends up outside their door holding flash cards is actually a character who recognises his feelings are wrong and who has gone out of his way not to act on them. She finds out by accident and those flashcards are him saying "We're cool, I'll leave you alone"

Can you blame Rick Grimes for pining for Jane Foster after she married the Operative?


Elizabeth Swann not Jane Foster.

/Though she did double for her in Star Wars.
 
2022-11-30 8:56:56 PM  

Billy Liar: I just don't get this "Movie/Record/Book is 20/30/50 years old this year!" thing.  Like it's accomplished some feat by simply existing along with everything else...i.e. participating in the concept of "Time".  I mean, it's not exactly 1984 yet where all mention of something deemed undesirable is erased from all records as if it never existed.


it's the two year friendiversary of the black widow movie
 
2022-11-30 9:04:19 PM  

Bungles: Love Actually is generally tripe.

The scene with a silent Emma Thompson weeping in her bedroom at Christmas? One of the finest scenes in cinema.


interesting story on that
 
2022-11-30 9:10:07 PM  

SpaceMonkey-66: Spartapuss: SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image 425x315] [View Full Size image _x_]

Let people enjoy insipid things and have fun 4 christmas season!

It needs to be held accountable for all the rapes it inspired.

I'm sorry I can't keep the outrage machine rolling all the time like some can. It's tiring......


Seriously. FFS, even Lisa Simpson knew when to tone it the fark down.
 
2022-11-30 9:13:16 PM  

moothemagiccow: it's an english movie
don't blame america for it


Richard Curtis, the writer and director is a kiwi
 
2022-11-30 9:18:03 PM  
Is that the movie where Hugh Grant plays a charmingly befuddled Englishman?
 
2022-11-30 9:21:47 PM  

Ghastly: Is that the movie where Hugh Grant plays a charmingly befuddled Englishman?


His best role is the Pirate Captain.

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