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(Fortune)   Suffering from mental health issues after being laid off? A free month of ketamine-assisted therapy might be right for you   (fortune.com) divider line
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2022-11-30 4:27:26 PM  
30 days in the K-Hole?

/that's what they give you
 
2022-11-30 5:39:14 PM  
It's certainly a step in the right direction away from "fark off and die somewhere where it inconveniences us the least."
 
2022-11-30 5:39:41 PM  
Combine it with hallucinogenic mushrooms and I'm in!
 
2022-11-30 5:40:45 PM  
Isn't ketamine some kind of dangerous drug? I hope whoever has mental problems can get treatment safely.
 
2022-11-30 5:43:24 PM  
Sprinkle some crack on it and I'm game.
 
2022-11-30 5:45:36 PM  

GreenSun: Isn't ketamine some kind of dangerous drug? I hope whoever has mental problems can get treatment safely.


Ketamine is perfectly safe. Ketayours I'm no so sure about.
 
2022-11-30 5:46:34 PM  
Does it come with a rave?
 
2022-11-30 5:48:59 PM  

GreenSun: Isn't ketamine some kind of dangerous drug? I hope whoever has mental problems can get treatment safely.


You're thinking of kettle mimes. They're nothing but trouble.
 
2022-11-30 5:49:35 PM  
What can I get for a couple decades of insecurity, outsourcing, exploitation, and aging out of my field?  Y'all got any of that Krokodil?
 
2022-11-30 5:51:50 PM  
How about a month's supply of Hendrick's Gin for me? That'll set me straight.
 
2022-11-30 5:51:57 PM  
The Good Fight was an underrated show.

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2022-11-30 5:59:29 PM  
Everyone should take this of sign of a ton of lay offs coming
 
2022-11-30 6:00:53 PM  
After the first month what does it cost?

Free can be really expensive
 
2022-11-30 6:05:56 PM  
I like the edibles
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2022-11-30 6:10:14 PM  
OooOOOOOooh.  Someone had a job they got laid off from.  WoooOOOOooo.
 
2022-11-30 6:18:10 PM  
Uhhh... go ahead and correct me if I'm wrong, but one free month is one session. Pretty sure they only use K every 3 to 4 weeks for psychological treatment. You see diminishing returns and risk dependency otherwise. Also think it requires heroic doses (along with talk therapy) I couldn't imagine micro dosing doing much of anything for rewiring your nero pathways. Part of the reason it works, is that a heroic dose basically kills your ego and removes your filter. It's like a hard reset to get you out of a mental rut or feedback loop. The talk therapy helps you to build healthier thought processes while you have heightened nero-plasticity.
 
2022-11-30 6:29:07 PM  
Someone who lost their job has very good reason to have mental health issues involving basic questions about their material conditions and well-being. The people we should be getting k treatment are rich pricks who think they need to keep squeezing other people's livelihoods to extract meaningless increases in their own value. Maybe they'll realize they don't need a 7 figure income to be happy.

So mandatory ketamine therapy for the top 5% of earners.
 
2022-11-30 6:31:11 PM  

Weatherkiss: It's certainly a step in the right direction away from "fark off and die somewhere where it inconveniences us the least."


Not a very large step if the dosage is large enough.
 
2022-11-30 6:35:00 PM  

GreenSun: Isn't ketamine some kind of dangerous drug? I hope whoever has mental problems can get treatment safely.


It's a sedative that doesn't quite knock you out. They can use it for open heart surgery while youre "awake". It takes an anesthesiologist to administer. Pretty serious stuff, but it can help a great deal for people who are suffering from PTSD, depression, and suicidal ideation.
 
2022-11-30 6:36:29 PM  

Foxxinnia: Someone who lost their job has very good reason to have mental health issues involving basic questions about their material conditions and well-being. The people we should be getting k treatment are rich pricks who think they need to keep squeezing other people's livelihoods to extract meaningless increases in their own value. Maybe they'll realize they don't need a 7 figure income to be happy.

So mandatory ketamine therapy for the top 5% of earners.


What drug is this guy on?

Anyway, I thought ketamine was a horse tranquilizer that junkies use when they can't find better stuff or the normal pillbilly "muh back hurts" oxys.  What am I thinking of?
 
2022-11-30 6:38:30 PM  
Getting fired/laid off from jobs is a part of life, has been for as long as there has been jobs.

That treatment needs a free subscription to a job finding site as well.
 
2022-11-30 6:42:49 PM  

waxbeans: Everyone should take this of sign of a ton of lay offs coming


They're already here. Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, HP and Cisco have each laid off thousands of employees in this month alone.
 
2022-11-30 6:48:45 PM  
It's nice to see this sort of thing being more widely utilized. Psylocybin has proven pretty effective for depression too.
 
2022-11-30 6:50:07 PM  

Toxophil: GreenSun: Isn't ketamine some kind of dangerous drug? I hope whoever has mental problems can get treatment safely.

It's a sedative that doesn't quite knock you out. They can use it for open heart surgery while youre "awake". It takes an anesthesiologist to administer. Pretty serious stuff, but it can help a great deal for people who are suffering from PTSD, depression, and suicidal ideation.


Oh it knocked me the fark out. Or at least it helped.

CSB time: I'm allergic to Valium. So when I had to have a colonoscopy (thanks, getting older and family history), they had to use something different. They put in an IV, and before they started the procedure I see the anesthesiologist push a tiny, tiny little syringe of fluid into the port. I ask what it is. "Oh, it's Ketamine, a little Fentanyl, and ...." I have no idea what else he said because I was already out. It was the best farking sleep of my life. My wife had to drive me home after because I was still a bit woozy, and I took another hour nap when I got home.
 
2022-11-30 7:02:34 PM  

Izunbacol: Foxxinnia: Someone who lost their job has very good reason to have mental health issues involving basic questions about their material conditions and well-being. The people we should be getting k treatment are rich pricks who think they need to keep squeezing other people's livelihoods to extract meaningless increases in their own value. Maybe they'll realize they don't need a 7 figure income to be happy.

So mandatory ketamine therapy for the top 5% of earners.

What drug is this guy on?

Anyway, I thought ketamine was a horse tranquilizer that junkies use when they can't find better stuff or the normal pillbilly "muh back hurts" oxys.  What am I thinking of?


It was developed as a human tranquilizer, but the special effects were a bit much so it became a vet drug.  Then wastoids human took note of that and made it a human drug again.  Along with the mental health stuff It's also used in some severe chronic pain cases - I was one of them which is how I know.  A lot like a combination of opiates, mild* hallucinogens, and some booze

/*: mild in the sense you aren't seeing shiat that flat out isn't there - but you are seeing things a bit oddly, think the early stages of shrooms
//combine that with opiate fuzzies and the drunk feeling... it's interesting stuff
///Not feasible to function on regularly unless you have little choice - you absolutely can't drive or anything like it - you are wasted
////which was where I was - but it stopped doing much after about a year pain-wise and I started getting sick and throwing up trying to take it
 
2022-11-30 7:04:02 PM  

Toxophil: Uhhh... go ahead and correct me if I'm wrong, but one free month is one session. Pretty sure they only use K every 3 to 4 weeks for psychological treatment. You see diminishing returns and risk dependency otherwise. Also think it requires heroic doses (along with talk therapy) I couldn't imagine micro dosing doing much of anything for rewiring your nero pathways. Part of the reason it works, is that a heroic dose basically kills your ego and removes your filter. It's like a hard reset to get you out of a mental rut or feedback loop. The talk therapy helps you to build healthier thought processes while you have heightened nero-plasticity.


I don't know.
Acid and too much cocaine and an ER vist achieved the same thing.  In the right mind set one treatment could be helpful.  If not. You're probably more farked up anyway.
 
2022-11-30 7:05:34 PM  

Gordon Bennett: waxbeans: Everyone should take this of sign of a ton of lay offs coming

They're already here. Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, HP and Cisco have each laid off thousands of employees in this month alone.


My point is more are coming this offer suggest as much.
 
2022-11-30 7:10:42 PM  

waxbeans: Toxophil: Uhhh... go ahead and correct me if I'm wrong, but one free month is one session. Pretty sure they only use K every 3 to 4 weeks for psychological treatment. You see diminishing returns and risk dependency otherwise. Also think it requires heroic doses (along with talk therapy) I couldn't imagine micro dosing doing much of anything for rewiring your nero pathways. Part of the reason it works, is that a heroic dose basically kills your ego and removes your filter. It's like a hard reset to get you out of a mental rut or feedback loop. The talk therapy helps you to build healthier thought processes while you have heightened nero-plasticity.

I don't know.
Acid and too much cocaine and an ER vist achieved the same thing.  In the right mind set one treatment could be helpful.  If not. You're probably more farked up anyway.


K's a bit special, it offers a unique combination of lowered inhibitions and suggestibility in the right doses - I mean sure an acid and coke nuke might well achieve similar results but it'd be the hard way by comparison certainly.  Plus with the latter you have the potential to end up with people that are unpleasantly combative

/doesn't mean it's great go get some today heh - it's... not
//but for the specific purpose delineated in the article it is nearly tailor-made
///what I'm unsure about is how long such a 'reset' would last necessarily - but that's why they're studying it
 
2022-11-30 7:10:43 PM  
"This promotion is available to anyone who's facing headwinds right now, anyone who's going through a transition," he says.

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2022-11-30 7:13:04 PM  
If I got laid off at this point I'd consider it mental relief after all the retirements and double, tripple, etc'n of work on the remaining people.
 
2022-11-30 7:14:06 PM  
But that's why they laid me off in the first place, the ketamine.
 
2022-11-30 7:16:07 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: waxbeans: Toxophil: Uhhh... go ahead and correct me if I'm wrong, but one free month is one session. Pretty sure they only use K every 3 to 4 weeks for psychological treatment. You see diminishing returns and risk dependency otherwise. Also think it requires heroic doses (along with talk therapy) I couldn't imagine micro dosing doing much of anything for rewiring your nero pathways. Part of the reason it works, is that a heroic dose basically kills your ego and removes your filter. It's like a hard reset to get you out of a mental rut or feedback loop. The talk therapy helps you to build healthier thought processes while you have heightened nero-plasticity.

I don't know.
Acid and too much cocaine and an ER vist achieved the same thing.  In the right mind set one treatment could be helpful.  If not. You're probably more farked up anyway.

K's a bit special, it offers a unique combination of lowered inhibitions and suggestibility in the right doses - I mean sure an acid and coke nuke might well achieve similar results but it'd be the hard way by comparison certainly.  Plus with the latter you have the potential to end up with people that are unpleasantly combative

/doesn't mean it's great go get some today heh - it's... not
//but for the specific purpose delineated in the article it is nearly tailor-made
///what I'm unsure about is how long such a 'reset' would last necessarily - but that's why they're studying it


Ooooooo they are giving a free dose to see if it will be helpful?
 
2022-11-30 7:27:08 PM  
Guys we need to keep tying healthcare to employment. It's been a very successful model that the rest of the world envies.
 
2022-11-30 7:41:22 PM  
Side effects include "ooontz ooontz ooontz " and "boots and pants .... boots and pants.... boots and pants " you might try to borrow everything and quit bathing.
 
2022-11-30 7:45:17 PM  
Don't worry, drone.  We'll drug the pain away!  Nothing's gonna' change, you'll still be disposable, but we'll keep you stable just long enough to exploit you another few years!

Aldous Huxley's Brave New World was right on the money.  We shouldn't be treating social problems as if they were mental illnesses.  We should be treating them with... well, y'know.
 
2022-11-30 7:49:28 PM  

foo monkey: OooOOOOOooh.  Someone had a job they got laid off from.  WoooOOOOooo.


So much this.
 
2022-11-30 7:56:41 PM  

Gordon Bennett: waxbeans: Everyone should take this of sign of a ton of lay offs coming

They're already here. Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, HP and Cisco have each laid off thousands of employees in this month alone.


You are insane.  Amazon is hemorrhaging money on Alexa.  Twitter is a mess. Facebook spent billions on a farce, HP is irrelevant in today's tech and Cisco is hiring as many as they are firing. Also, for every tech company laying off, there are tech companies still growing.

Layoffs in the manufacturing and service and hospitality industries are years off if they ever happen again. Onshoring is happening in manufacturing very quickly.  And cars, well, cars sales will start to take off in 2023 like they never have before.

I have yet to see any citations or sources that say otherwise.  They want to push these tech layoffs as some big harbinger of doom, but phones are still selling, electronics had their best sales day ever last week and AI is just starting.  AI will be as big for society and productivity as the internet was. Maybe more.
 
2022-11-30 8:11:15 PM  

maxandgrinch: After the first month what does it cost?

Free can be really expensive


Hundred bucks a day but don't worry it only takes six months to ween you off of it. The price doubles each month
 
2022-11-30 8:12:03 PM  

waxbeans: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: waxbeans: Toxophil: Uhhh... go ahead and correct me if I'm wrong, but one free month is one session. Pretty sure they only use K every 3 to 4 weeks for psychological treatment. You see diminishing returns and risk dependency otherwise. Also think it requires heroic doses (along with talk therapy) I couldn't imagine micro dosing doing much of anything for rewiring your nero pathways. Part of the reason it works, is that a heroic dose basically kills your ego and removes your filter. It's like a hard reset to get you out of a mental rut or feedback loop. The talk therapy helps you to build healthier thought processes while you have heightened nero-plasticity.

I don't know.
Acid and too much cocaine and an ER vist achieved the same thing.  In the right mind set one treatment could be helpful.  If not. You're probably more farked up anyway.

K's a bit special, it offers a unique combination of lowered inhibitions and suggestibility in the right doses - I mean sure an acid and coke nuke might well achieve similar results but it'd be the hard way by comparison certainly.  Plus with the latter you have the potential to end up with people that are unpleasantly combative

/doesn't mean it's great go get some today heh - it's... not
//but for the specific purpose delineated in the article it is nearly tailor-made
///what I'm unsure about is how long such a 'reset' would last necessarily - but that's why they're studying it

Ooooooo they are giving a free dose to see if it will be helpful?


No, this was years ago - Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy treatment.  Worked ok for pain but rated way too high on the special effects, plus other problems as noted above. Spent about a year on it as well as Dilaudid, muscle relaxers, and Neurontin with various other additions as they tried different things
 
2022-11-30 8:13:35 PM  

chitownmike: maxandgrinch: After the first month what does it cost?

Free can be really expensive

Hundred bucks a day but don't worry it only takes six months to ween you off of it. The price doubles each month


For what it is it's oddly not terribly addictive, at least not in my experience it wasn't.  Even after a year of taking it twice daily, I was fine with stopping it (that was with other pain killers to keep the overall level of relief about the same mind you.)   But I had no real physical or psych symptoms stopping the stuff - I was pretty happy to since it was making me ill
 
2022-11-30 8:31:03 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: chitownmike: maxandgrinch: After the first month what does it cost?

Free can be really expensive

Hundred bucks a day but don't worry it only takes six months to ween you off of it. The price doubles each month

For what it is it's oddly not terribly addictive, at least not in my experience it wasn't.  Even after a year of taking it twice daily, I was fine with stopping it (that was with other pain killers to keep the overall level of relief about the same mind you.)   But I had no real physical or psych symptoms stopping the stuff - I was pretty happy to since it was making me ill


What are you taking that disables your sarcasm detection?
 
2022-11-30 8:48:30 PM  
I can finally put those Tool CD liner notes to use!
 
2022-11-30 9:17:44 PM  
Lost In The K-Hole
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2022-11-30 9:36:47 PM  
Some Junkie Cosmonaut:

It was developed as a human tranquilizer, but the special effects were a bit much so it became a vet drug.

i always liked how the labels on the vials of ketamine/ketaset/ketalar stated very clearly "...for Subhuman Primates Only..."
 
2022-11-30 10:15:30 PM  
I went through ketamine therapy. It was nice just to be able to not think about anything and feel at peace for 40min a week if nothing else. Results vary.
 
2022-11-30 10:30:23 PM  

it's lisa e.: Some Junkie Cosmonaut:

It was developed as a human tranquilizer, but the special effects were a bit much so it became a vet drug.

i always liked how the labels on the vials of ketamine/ketaset/ketalar stated very clearly "...for Subhuman Primates Only..."


I helped the vet ketamine a very fierce baboon once. While she was doped she just sat peacefully gazing about; it was so neat to be able to touch her paws and admire her fingerprints without getting your face torn off.
 
2022-11-30 10:42:22 PM  
If I'm laid off, I think the best therapy for my depression would be another job - preferably one that pays as well or better than the one I've been laid off from. I'll skip a free dose of an addictive drug, thank you.
 
2022-11-30 11:13:21 PM  

chitownmike: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: chitownmike: maxandgrinch: After the first month what does it cost?

Free can be really expensive

Hundred bucks a day but don't worry it only takes six months to ween you off of it. The price doubles each month

For what it is it's oddly not terribly addictive, at least not in my experience it wasn't.  Even after a year of taking it twice daily, I was fine with stopping it (that was with other pain killers to keep the overall level of relief about the same mind you.)   But I had no real physical or psych symptoms stopping the stuff - I was pretty happy to since it was making me ill

What are you taking that disables your sarcasm detection?


Irkmikatol - it's a experimental drug to see if I can possibly be even more irritating
 
2022-11-30 11:22:52 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: chitownmike: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: chitownmike: maxandgrinch: After the first month what does it cost?

Free can be really expensive

Hundred bucks a day but don't worry it only takes six months to ween you off of it. The price doubles each month

For what it is it's oddly not terribly addictive, at least not in my experience it wasn't.  Even after a year of taking it twice daily, I was fine with stopping it (that was with other pain killers to keep the overall level of relief about the same mind you.)   But I had no real physical or psych symptoms stopping the stuff - I was pretty happy to since it was making me ill

What are you taking that disables your sarcasm detection?

Irkmikatol - it's a experimental drug to see if I can possibly be even more irritating


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2022-11-30 11:53:09 PM  

Bruscar: If I'm laid off, I think the best therapy for my depression would be another job - preferably one that pays as well or better than the one I've been laid off from. I'll skip a free dose of an addictive drug, thank you.


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