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(DW)   Russian and Chinese planes caught red handed flying over the Sea of Japan   (dw.com) divider line
    More: Silly, World War II, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, air defense identification zone, Chinese warplanes, Korea, East Asia  
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1262 clicks; posted to Politics » on 30 Nov 2022 at 7:54 PM (8 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-11-30 6:18:34 PM  
You people do know, that if Japan (or Taiwan) wanted nuclear weapons they could build them lickedy-split right?  Are you trying to push them to do it?  Both have the necessary resources in abundance, and probably wouldn't be stopped by the IAEA if they wanted them.
 
2022-11-30 8:08:31 PM  

aleister_greynight: You people do know, that if Japan (or Taiwan) wanted nuclear weapons they could build them lickedy-split right?  Are you trying to push them to do it?  Both have the necessary resources in abundance, and probably wouldn't be stopped by the IAEA if they wanted them.


Nuclear weapons don't help as much as people think they do.  They're expensive as hell to maintain, come with heavy diplomatic costs, and are only truly effective at deterring the use of other nuclear weapons.  For example, historically building nuclear weapons hasn't stopped other countries from buzzing in and out of your Air Defense Zones which the nuclear powers have been doing to each other for decades.

If Taiwan built a nuclear force it absolutely wouldn't give China any reason to back down from its current posture, it may even motivate it act more rashly itself.  After all, building a nuclear capable force isn't something that's just done overnight.
 
2022-11-30 8:09:55 PM  
Good. Keep intercepting them. Intercept early and often. Act mad about it. Make a big diplomatic stink about it. They'll think their trolling is working, encouraging them to fly even more missions. China may have virtually unlimited resources, but over time the Russians will fly fewer and fewer planes due to long overdue maintenance and lack of parts. This is a great way to weaken Russia's ability to wage war against Ukraine while at the same time force China to consider how much supporting Russia costs them vs how little Russia has to offer in exchange.
 
2022-11-30 8:12:43 PM  
HA HA! It's funny because they are both red!
 
2022-11-30 8:16:52 PM  

Meatsim1: aleister_greynight: You people do know, that if Japan (or Taiwan) wanted nuclear weapons they could build them lickedy-split right?  Are you trying to push them to do it?  Both have the necessary resources in abundance, and probably wouldn't be stopped by the IAEA if they wanted them.

Nuclear weapons don't help as much as people think they do.  They're expensive as hell to maintain, come with heavy diplomatic costs, and are only truly effective at deterring the use of other nuclear weapons.  For example, historically building nuclear weapons hasn't stopped other countries from buzzing in and out of your Air Defense Zones which the nuclear powers have been doing to each other for decades.

If Taiwan built a nuclear force it absolutely wouldn't give China any reason to back down from its current posture, it may even motivate it act more rashly itself.  After all, building a nuclear capable force isn't something that's just done overnight.


I didn't say building more nuclear weapons was the right answer, I just suspect that China's aggressiveness will lead more countries to want their own MAD defense.
 
2022-11-30 8:41:43 PM  
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2022-11-30 8:44:22 PM  
Bah. A few planes are not going to throw Japan off its game.

There are groups of people who believe that Japan is stunted and inept in its diplomacy. That their armed forces are entirely ineffective and useless.

At the same time, you have people wailing that Japan is a hugely racist, fascist nation that is just champing at the bit to start conflict in Asia and regain its old glory for the  emperor! Really?

With the Kuriles or Northern Territories, people insist that Japan is bitterly humiliated (oh the chagrin!) and just waiting for any opportunity to buy them or take them back to make the country whole again. Yeah. right.

As if the only national identity a person can have is from something that ended almost 80 years ago.

It is all just a bunch of crap. Japan is this foil that every incel English teacher in his 20s and nationalist maniac from North and South Korea, China, Russia and sometimes even Taiwan likes to poke at. Mostly Japan just sits back, not even rolling its eyes, but just staring. Japan increased its military spending from 1% of GNP to 2% of GNP. A huge amount, but hardly a jackboot of empire. Its military is efficient, with clean, well-maintained methods and equipment. If they have stuff left over from the 50s, which is unlikely, you can bet it works as well as it did in 1961. Anyone remember how to hack a fax machine?

As Marty McFly noticed, though, Japan has the best stuff. The newest fighters, defense systems, artillery, missiles, submarines, etc. So "using old stuff" and "throwing meat at the problem" are not really in Japan's playbook.

Mostly, Japan is a team player. It is not going to develop nuclear weapons primarily because it does not have to. Non-proliferation is a hallmark of the international order that Japan supports 100%. Playing FAFO has not worked out well for Russia or China. The fact that they and others are looking for trouble with their neighbors speaks volumes about their inability to resolve their own problems and fit in properly with international norms.

So DW wants to remind everyone that Japan is surrounded by Russia, China, and my closest neighbor, North Korea. It is a bad neighborhood. Thanks for the newsflash, DW! You hunker down with NATO, and Japan will hunker down with South Korea and Taiwan and try to make it through all this. A few planes are not going to intimidate anybody, or throw Japan off its game.
 
2022-11-30 8:50:38 PM  

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Yes. The ghost of Henry Blake frowns on their shenanigans.

Yes I am part of the generation that instantly pops back to that episode any time "Sea of Japan" is mentioned.
 
2022-11-30 8:58:33 PM  
How the fark is this news?  ADIZs are basically meaningless.  China has an ADIZ that covers all of Taiwan; Taiwan has one that covers a quarter of China.  Countries don't actually own them and no one really cares about them unless they're friendly to begin with.
 
2022-11-30 9:08:31 PM  
I wonder what would happen if we did the same shiat? (Probably already have and China/Russia did nothing). Russia perhaps no longer has the ability to respond and China doesn't want to interrupt the supply chain.
 
2022-11-30 10:31:07 PM  

Meatsim1: aleister_greynight: You people do know, that if Japan (or Taiwan) wanted nuclear weapons they could build them lickedy-split right?  Are you trying to push them to do it?  Both have the necessary resources in abundance, and probably wouldn't be stopped by the IAEA if they wanted them.

Nuclear weapons don't help as much as people think they do.  They're expensive as hell to maintain, come with heavy diplomatic costs, and are only truly effective at deterring the use of other nuclear weapons.  For example, historically building nuclear weapons hasn't stopped other countries from buzzing in and out of your Air Defense Zones which the nuclear powers have been doing to each other for decades.

If Taiwan built a nuclear force it absolutely wouldn't give China any reason to back down from its current posture, it may even motivate it act more rashly itself.  After all, building a nuclear capable force isn't something that's just done overnight.


What if the US loaned Taiwan some nukes? It's been done before.
 
2022-11-30 10:45:26 PM  

RandomInternetComment: Meatsim1: aleister_greynight: You people do know, that if Japan (or Taiwan) wanted nuclear weapons they could build them lickedy-split right?  Are you trying to push them to do it?  Both have the necessary resources in abundance, and probably wouldn't be stopped by the IAEA if they wanted them.

Nuclear weapons don't help as much as people think they do.  They're expensive as hell to maintain, come with heavy diplomatic costs, and are only truly effective at deterring the use of other nuclear weapons.  For example, historically building nuclear weapons hasn't stopped other countries from buzzing in and out of your Air Defense Zones which the nuclear powers have been doing to each other for decades.

If Taiwan built a nuclear force it absolutely wouldn't give China any reason to back down from its current posture, it may even motivate it act more rashly itself.  After all, building a nuclear capable force isn't something that's just done overnight.

What if the US loaned Taiwan some nukes? It's been done before.


The Cuban missile crisis was before my time, but I don't see why we can't repeat it.
 
2022-11-30 10:55:11 PM  

aleister_greynight: RandomInternetComment: Meatsim1: aleister_greynight: You people do know, that if Japan (or Taiwan) wanted nuclear weapons they could build them lickedy-split right?  Are you trying to push them to do it?  Both have the necessary resources in abundance, and probably wouldn't be stopped by the IAEA if they wanted them.

Nuclear weapons don't help as much as people think they do.  They're expensive as hell to maintain, come with heavy diplomatic costs, and are only truly effective at deterring the use of other nuclear weapons.  For example, historically building nuclear weapons hasn't stopped other countries from buzzing in and out of your Air Defense Zones which the nuclear powers have been doing to each other for decades.

If Taiwan built a nuclear force it absolutely wouldn't give China any reason to back down from its current posture, it may even motivate it act more rashly itself.  After all, building a nuclear capable force isn't something that's just done overnight.

What if the US loaned Taiwan some nukes? It's been done before.

The Cuban missile crisis was before my time, but I don't see why we can't repeat it.


Well Putin is pretty slow on coming through with all his nuclear threats so let's get this party started! Let's light this candle!
 
2022-11-30 11:39:25 PM  

Meatsim1: aleister_greynight: You people do know, that if Japan (or Taiwan) wanted nuclear weapons they could build them lickedy-split right?  Are you trying to push them to do it?  Both have the necessary resources in abundance, and probably wouldn't be stopped by the IAEA if they wanted them.

Nuclear weapons don't help as much as people think they do.  They're expensive as hell to maintain, come with heavy diplomatic costs, and are only truly effective at deterring the use of other nuclear weapons.  For example, historically building nuclear weapons hasn't stopped other countries from buzzing in and out of your Air Defense Zones which the nuclear powers have been doing to each other for decades.

If Taiwan built a nuclear force it absolutely wouldn't give China any reason to back down from its current posture, it may even motivate it act more rashly itself.  After all, building a nuclear capable force isn't something that's just done overnight.


I'd be surprised if Taiwan hasn't had them for years and just not said anything about it.
 
2022-12-01 4:23:36 AM  
And boy are their arms tired!
 
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