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(Politico)   DeSantis's hiatman testifies in court that he was DeSantis's hiatman and that by god he's right. BS legal arguments included   (politico.com) divider line
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edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-30 5:33:21 AM  
I hope he wins. No governor should be suspending elected officials.
 
Unobtanium [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-30 5:52:17 AM  

edmo: I hope he wins. No governor should be suspending elected officials.


These kinds of laws are a fairly recent development (at least in Georgia). The law allows the Governor to suspend another elected official for certain things, usually criminal indictment. They amended Georgia's law last year to say the suspended official wouldn't get paid while they were suspended.

This change came about after our state Insurance Commissioner (Jim Beck) was indicted for fraud and money laundering. He was later convicted. He was suspended after the indictment, but was still getting his Insurance Commissioner salary, until he was convicted.

Governor Kemp has done the same thing with a Sheriff who is under Federal indictment. I'm far from a fan of Kemp, but he's used this authority correctly as far as I can tell. 

It's not a per se a bad thing, but in DeSantis' case, he's abusing the power because the prosecutor publicly disagreed with the policies.
 
Harlee [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-30 6:37:29 AM  
Maybe I just need more coffee, but I don't understand subby's reason for using "hiatman." Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?
 
flappy_penguin [TotalFark]
2022-11-30 6:47:23 AM  

Harlee: Maybe I just need more coffee, but I don't understand subby's reason for using "hiatman." Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?


farks filter filterpwns hiat again
 
pheed
2022-11-30 6:50:31 AM  
POOP THREAD!
 
Super_pope
2022-11-30 6:55:11 AM  

edmo: No governor should be suspending elected officials.


Not really true, the law gives him the power to do this and honestly based on the article it sounds like it may stand.  He's likely got solid footing to say "X isn't doing his duty be refusing to enforce my stupid law"

Now prosecutors use prosecutorial discretion all the time and just ignore violations of the law that they don't... care about, so maybe it'll be overturned (that would make sense to me) but you know... he's not doing something totally insane here he's just doing it for a bad reason because he's a bad person.
 
JerkStore
2022-11-30 6:55:18 AM  
When you want to be a dictator but are only governor of a state.
 
Ragin' Asian [TotalFark]
2022-11-30 7:07:17 AM  
DeSantis is the shiatman.
 
CurmudgeonInDevelopment
2022-11-30 7:08:38 AM  
He needs  to make up something about not implementing the law as part of his religious freedumb. You know, like Conservatives do when they don't want to implement the law. She's watching ...
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Magruda
2022-11-30 7:11:11 AM  

Ragin' Asian: DeSantis is the shiatman.


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Dr Dreidel
2022-11-30 7:19:19 AM  

CurmudgeonInDevelopment: He needs  to make up something about not implementing the law as part of his religious freedumb. You know, like Conservatives do when they don't want to implement the law. She's watching ...
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Look, lib - it's freedom of RELIGION, not freedom of conscience. If you think something is wrong, you better ascribe that valence to a Divine Being's rubric or else the law can't protect you.

// IIRC some of the Framers (you know, the group of slavers who told us not to venerate them and whom we've assigned Philosopher God-King status anyway) wanted to use the term "freedom of conscience" precisely to avoid that distinction-without-a-difference
 
Moooooo K
2022-11-30 7:22:07 AM  

Harlee: Maybe I just need more coffee, but I don't understand subby's reason for using "hiatman." Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?


Desantis's h-ia-tman.

Filter pwned
 
Harlee [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-30 7:31:00 AM  

flappy_penguin: Harlee: Maybe I just need more coffee, but I don't understand subby's reason for using "hiatman." Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?

farks filter filterpwns hiat again


DOH!
 
Magruda
2022-11-30 7:31:11 AM  

Moooooo K: Harlee: Maybe I just need more coffee, but I don't understand subby's reason for using "hiatman." Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?

Desantis's h-ia-tman.

Filter pwned


Ah, subpar code is always the culprit
 
soopey [OhFark]
2022-11-30 7:31:47 AM  

Super_pope: edmo: No governor should be suspending elected officials.

Not really true, the law gives him the power to do this and honestly based on the article it sounds like it may stand.  He's likely got solid footing to say "X isn't doing his duty be refusing to enforce my stupid law"

Now prosecutors use prosecutorial discretion all the time and just ignore violations of the law that they don't... care about, so maybe it'll be overturned (that would make sense to me) but you know... he's not doing something totally insane here he's just doing it for a bad reason because he's a bad person.


I haven't been following this case too closely. I suspect it would hinge on whether there is a documented pattern of behavior and action by Warren to consistently refuse to prosecute the law based on political leanings instead of the normal prosecutorial discretion that happens every day.  Just because some sheriff is butthurt that his police officers look bad because they roughed up a couple for driving while black and arrested them purely for resisting arrest doesn't mean dereliction of duty. It just means that the cops are assholes and the case would have been lost in front of a jury anyways.

fark the Tampa police, they have a history of using quotas to drive useless ticketing and arrests.
 
Veloram
2022-11-30 7:38:07 AM  

Magruda: Ragin' Asian: DeSantis is the shiatman.

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I'd gladly trade one for the other.

:(
 
harleyquinnical
2022-11-30 7:41:07 AM  

soopey: Super_pope: edmo: No governor should be suspending elected officials.

Not really true, the law gives him the power to do this and honestly based on the article it sounds like it may stand.  He's likely got solid footing to say "X isn't doing his duty be refusing to enforce my stupid law"

Now prosecutors use prosecutorial discretion all the time and just ignore violations of the law that they don't... care about, so maybe it'll be overturned (that would make sense to me) but you know... he's not doing something totally insane here he's just doing it for a bad reason because he's a bad person.

I haven't been following this case too closely. I suspect it would hinge on whether there is a documented pattern of behavior and action by Warren to consistently refuse to prosecute the law based on political leanings instead of the normal prosecutorial discretion that happens every day.  Just because some sheriff is butthurt that his police officers look bad because they roughed up a couple for driving while black and arrested them purely for resisting arrest doesn't mean dereliction of duty. It just means that the cops are assholes and the case would have been lost in front of a jury anyways.

fark the Tampa police, they have a history of using quotas to drive useless ticketing and arrests.


FTFA:
Keefe, who took the stand later in the day, however, provided some of the most illuminating testimony, saying he was the "primary driver" in getting Warren's suspended. His inquiry started in the wake of DeSantis asking during a December 2021 meeting whether there were any Florida prosecutors not enforcing the law.
Keefe contended during his testimony that Warren was "crossing the line" for signing the statements on abortion - and another one saying he would not prosecute anyone for providing gender affirming care to transgender patients even though the state does not have any criminal laws dealing with that. Florida approved a rule banning gender-affirming treatment for minors several months after Warren was suspended.
"This wasn't a one-off," said Keefe, a former U.S. attorney who also directed the DeSantis administration's contentious relocation of migrants from Texas to Martha's Vineyard. He said this statements regarding Warren were part of a "very problematic" trend from the ousted prosecutor. "I absolutely believed he needed to be suspended."
But Keefe acknowledged several times on the stand that he never called Warren directly or communicated with anyone in Warren's office to ask about the prosecutor's statements. Warren and two top officials still working in the state attorney's office said there wasn't a blanket policy against prosecuting abortion or gender-affirming cases and they have not handled any such prosecutions. Warren's team even noted a written policy that tells prosecutors to evaluate individual cases.
Keefe, who said he conducted a review of Warren's actions but not an actual "investigation," brushed aside the written policies. Instead, he contended that Warren was a "state attorney whose approach to his job was harmful" and that he was antagonistic to law enforcement, an opinion based on conversations he held with several people, including the current Hillsborough sheriff and the former Tampa police chief.

This is not so much documented behavior or dereliction of duty so much Keefe going by truthiness, to the point where you'd think what he was doing was out of vengeance or spite.  Considering he is the asshole responsible for directing the human trafficking from Texas to Martha's Vineyard, I'm inclined to believe it was spite.
 
thealgorerhythm
2022-11-30 7:41:18 AM  

Ragin' Asian: DeSantis is the shiatman.


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We have ways of shutting him up
 
0MGWTFBBQ
2022-11-30 8:00:40 AM  
That's some mighty fine proofreading Lou.

"Levesque argued that DeSantis had legitimate reasons to suspend Warren because he decisions to sigh the statements on abortion and gender affirming care were "tantamount to a functional veto" of state law."
 
FreakyBunny [TotalFark]
2022-11-30 8:03:46 AM  
There was a time, not so long ago in the grand scheme of things, when stuff like this would bring any politician down. Not any more. All we're doing is finding out how utterly terrible the GOP is, and how utterly terrible their voters are...they don't farking care, in fact, I think they reward the shiatty behaviour because it makes people like me mad.
 
snowshovel
2022-11-30 8:06:53 AM  
Unobtanium: edmo: I hope he wins. No governor should be suspending elected officials.

These kinds of laws are a fairly recent development (at least in Georgia). The law allows the Governor to suspend another elected official for certain things, usually criminal indictment. They amended Georgia's law last year to say the suspended official wouldn't get paid while they were suspended.

This change came about after our state Insurance Commissioner (Jim Beck) was indicted for fraud and money laundering. He was later convicted. He was suspended after the indictment, but was still getting his Insurance Commissioner salary, until he was convicted.

Governor Kemp has done the same thing with a Sheriff who is under Federal indictment. I'm far from a fan of Kemp, but he's used this authority correctly as far as I can tell. 

It's not a per se a bad thing, but in DeSantis' case, he's abusing the power because the prosecutor publicly disagreed with the policies.

Or......he wasn't enforcing the law?
 
karnal
2022-11-30 8:13:28 AM  
Breaking News: Dims are frightened by DeSantis
 
Dr Dreidel
2022-11-30 8:15:41 AM  

snowshovel: Or......he wasn't enforcing the law?


Do we have to have this same damn conversation every time a prosecutor decides to not prosecute people who are only offending Christians who need their views codified into law (and damn everyone else's conscience)?

Prosecutorial discretion is still a thing.

// fair's fair, we also have to have the discussion every time a DA declines to prosecute people for waving guns around or failing to secure their guns in a way that might have prevented serious injury and death
// after a pregnant pause, though, I feel for some reason that the latter examples seem very different from the former
 
oldfool
2022-11-30 8:19:30 AM  
Not safe for sanity
Ron DeSantis's Military Secrets: Torture & War Crimes
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Farkonaut
2022-11-30 8:21:29 AM  
FTFA: but it has come under fire from conservatives because it is linked to a group that receives funding from billionaire donor George Soros.

Republicans coo'ing over who funds shiat... these assholes are bought and paid for at every farking level
by Rupert Murdoch.

fark all of them. Ever accusation is an admission.
 
karnal
2022-11-30 8:23:57 AM  

FreakyBunny: There was a time, not so long ago in the grand scheme of things, when stuff like this would bring any politician down. Not any more. All we're doing is finding out how utterly terrible the GOP is, and how utterly terrible their voters are...they don't farking care, in fact, I think they reward the shiatty behaviour because it makes people like me mad.



Some politicians are very slippery.

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Farkonaut
2022-11-30 8:25:25 AM  
Republicans: Dark money is bad!!
Also Republicans: Trump shouldn't have to show where he gets his money.
Also republicans: CITIZENS UNITED!!!
Also Republicans: George Soros donating money to things = conspiracies.

.....these people and their voters are the dumbest farking batch of assholes on earth.
 
moulderx1 [OhFark]
2022-11-30 8:29:21 AM  

karnal: FreakyBunny: There was a time, not so long ago in the grand scheme of things, when stuff like this would bring any politician down. Not any more. All we're doing is finding out how utterly terrible the GOP is, and how utterly terrible their voters are...they don't farking care, in fact, I think they reward the shiatty behaviour because it makes people like me mad.


Some politicians are very slippery.

[Fark user image image 300x225]


Someone got up on the wrong side of the BJ this morning.
 
karnal
2022-11-30 8:31:37 AM  

Farkonaut: Republicans: Dark money is bad!!
Also Republicans: Trump shouldn't have to show where he gets his money.
Also republicans: CITIZENS UNITED!!!
Also Republicans: George Soros donating money to things = conspiracies.

.....these people and their voters are the dumbest farking batch of assholes on earth.


Citizens United got a federal law passed prohibiting corporations and unions from making expenditures in connection with federal elections.

(that's a good thing for everyone)
 
dodecahedron [OhFark]
2022-11-30 8:31:43 AM  

Super_pope: edmo: No governor should be suspending elected officials.

Not really true, the law gives him the power to do this and honestly based on the article it sounds like it may stand.  He's likely got solid footing to say "X isn't doing his duty be refusing to enforce my stupid law"

Now prosecutors use prosecutorial discretion all the time and just ignore violations of the law that they don't... care about, so maybe it'll be overturned (that would make sense to me) but you know... he's not doing something totally insane here he's just doing it for a bad reason because he's a bad person.


Warren made a comment about not enforcing laws that weren't and aren't even on the books yet. There's no way he should have been fired for this. It was clearly retaliatory on DeSantis' part. He deliberately finds ways to punish anyone who defies his often unconstitutional authoritarianism.
 
karnal
2022-11-30 8:33:44 AM  

moulderx1: karnal: FreakyBunny: There was a time, not so long ago in the grand scheme of things, when stuff like this would bring any politician down. Not any more. All we're doing is finding out how utterly terrible the GOP is, and how utterly terrible their voters are...they don't farking care, in fact, I think they reward the shiatty behaviour because it makes people like me mad.


Some politicians are very slippery.

[Fark user image image 300x225]

Someone got up on the wrong side of the BJ this morning.


I told you when you don't shave, it causes chafing down there.
 
Vansthing [OhFark]
2022-11-30 8:41:56 AM  

snowshovel: Unobtanium: edmo: I hope he wins. No governor should be suspending elected officials.

These kinds of laws are a fairly recent development (at least in Georgia). The law allows the Governor to suspend another elected official for certain things, usually criminal indictment. They amended Georgia's law last year to say the suspended official wouldn't get paid while they were suspended.

This change came about after our state Insurance Commissioner (Jim Beck) was indicted for fraud and money laundering. He was later convicted. He was suspended after the indictment, but was still getting his Insurance Commissioner salary, until he was convicted.

Governor Kemp has done the same thing with a Sheriff who is under Federal indictment. I'm far from a fan of Kemp, but he's used this authority correctly as far as I can tell. 

It's not a per se a bad thing, but in DeSantis' case, he's abusing the power because the prosecutor publicly disagreed with the policies.

Or......he wasn't enforcing the law?


Except no examples of the prosecutor NOT enforcing the law, even the one where he signed a petition from an outside group. He was fired because he publicly spoke out against the governor's red meat, not needed, and no point law. It was known he didn't agree and the people that elected him did so BECAUSE he didn't agree with policies like felony farming by the local deputy sheriffs. It was the refusing to prosecute the upcharges from stopping people for non-arrest offenses like loitering, jaywalking, public intoxication and ending up with 20 counts of resisting arrest (hyperbole at the number of counts, the point is when the officer would choose to interact with someone for a ticketing offense, the officers would escalate the situation to achieve an arrest instead of a civil infraction)  that raised the ire of Keefe. This was pure political hit job as stated by the pomp and ceremony of announcing the suspension and the "prepare for liberal tears" twitted out by the governor's press secretary. I agree sometimes the governor needs to step in and suspend an elected official and Governor DeSantis knows when and how to do that properly like the Bravard County Sheriff following the Parkland shooting. This was pure pandering for re-election and since this and other stunts have worked to energize the base and the potential consequences for them didn't happen before the election this is another success.
 
BigMax [TotalFark]
2022-11-30 8:46:00 AM  

dodecahedron: Super_pope: edmo: No governor should be suspending elected officials.

Not really true, the law gives him the power to do this and honestly based on the article it sounds like it may stand.  He's likely got solid footing to say "X isn't doing his duty be refusing to enforce my stupid law"

Now prosecutors use prosecutorial discretion all the time and just ignore violations of the law that they don't... care about, so maybe it'll be overturned (that would make sense to me) but you know... he's not doing something totally insane here he's just doing it for a bad reason because he's a bad person.

Warren made a comment about not enforcing laws that weren't and aren't even on the books yet. There's no way he should have been fired for this. It was clearly retaliatory on DeSantis' part. He deliberately finds ways to punish anyone who defies his often unconstitutional authoritarianism.


I do not believe that this was retaliatory by DeSantis. I believe that DeSantis stages political theater to make himself appealing to right-wing social warriors and this was a theatrical way of appearing tough and creating a target and scapegoat.

I don't think this had very much to do with Warren. He was just a convenient target. DeSantis' very question to his lackey "Are there any prosecutors not enforcing the law?" shows that DeSantis was seeking out a target.
 
moresugar
2022-11-30 9:06:52 AM  
FTFA: Levesque argued that DeSantis had legitimate reasons to suspend Warren because he decisions to sigh the statements on abortion ....

Also in Politico: "In the aftermath of the previous copy-editor's tragic suicide, we are currently accepting applications for a new copy editor.  Sea are hi ring manager four moar D tails."
 
Tyrone Slothrop
2022-11-30 9:13:14 AM  

karnal: Breaking News: Dims are frightened by DeSantis


Breaking news: Jews are frightened of Hitler.

\and of course we know whose side you're on
 
karnal
2022-11-30 9:24:28 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: karnal: Breaking News: Dims are frightened by DeSantis

Breaking news: Jews are frightened of Hitler.

\and of course we know whose side you're on


Just because the Dems have enable the anti-Semites in their party, doesn't make it something to brag about.
 
DrD'isInfotainment [OhFark]
2022-11-30 9:48:47 AM  

karnal: Tyrone Slothrop: karnal: Breaking News: Dims are frightened by DeSantis

Breaking news: Jews are frightened of Hitler.

\and of course we know whose side you're on

Just because the Dems have enable the anti-Semites in their party, doesn't make it something to brag about.


Ok, you're just being an asshole
 
karnal
2022-11-30 9:56:34 AM  

DrD'isInfotainment: karnal: Tyrone Slothrop: karnal: Breaking News: Dims are frightened by DeSantis

Breaking news: Jews are frightened of Hitler.

\and of course we know whose side you're on

Just because the Dems have enable the anti-Semites in their party, doesn't make it something to brag about.

Ok, you're just being an asshole



Doesn't change things
 
Petey4335
2022-11-30 10:30:47 AM  

karnal: DrD'isInfotainment: karnal: Tyrone Slothrop: karnal: Breaking News: Dims are frightened by DeSantis

Breaking news: Jews are frightened of Hitler.

\and of course we know whose side you're on

Just because the Dems have enable the anti-Semites in their party, doesn't make it something to brag about.

Ok, you're just being an asshole


Doesn't change things


Do you get paid by character, word, or post count?
 
karnal
2022-11-30 10:34:29 AM  

Petey4335: karnal: DrD'isInfotainment: karnal: Tyrone Slothrop: karnal: Breaking News: Dims are frightened by DeSantis

Breaking news: Jews are frightened of Hitler.

\and of course we know whose side you're on

Just because the Dems have enable the anti-Semites in their party, doesn't make it something to brag about.

Ok, you're just being an asshole


Doesn't change things

Do you get paid by character, word, or post count?


I'm salary - I get paid whether I post or not.
 
Khryswhy
2022-11-30 10:35:12 AM  
FTFA:

"Levesque argued that DeSantis had legitimate reasons to suspend Warren because he decisions to sigh the statements on abortion and gender affirming care were "tantamount to a functional veto" of state law."

Is this what passes for proof reading on Politico?
 
Petey4335
2022-11-30 10:38:43 AM  

karnal: Petey4335: karnal: DrD'isInfotainment: karnal: Tyrone Slothrop: karnal: Breaking News: Dims are frightened by DeSantis

Breaking news: Jews are frightened of Hitler.

\and of course we know whose side you're on

Just because the Dems have enable the anti-Semites in their party, doesn't make it something to brag about.

Ok, you're just being an asshole


Doesn't change things

Do you get paid by character, word, or post count?

I'm salary - I get paid whether I post or not.


Then why bother posting?
 
abb3w [TotalFark]
2022-11-30 10:43:22 AM  

flappy_penguin: farks filter filterpwns hiat again


Hence, "BS legal arguments".
 
karnal
2022-11-30 10:47:39 AM  

Petey4335: karnal: Petey4335: karnal: DrD'isInfotainment: karnal: Tyrone Slothrop: karnal: Breaking News: Dims are frightened by DeSantis

Breaking news: Jews are frightened of Hitler.

\and of course we know whose side you're on

Just because the Dems have enable the anti-Semites in their party, doesn't make it something to brag about.

Ok, you're just being an asshole


Doesn't change things

Do you get paid by character, word, or post count?

I'm salary - I get paid whether I post or not.

Then why bother posting?



If I have you to explain to you.....
 
Petey4335
2022-11-30 10:49:46 AM  

karnal: Petey4335: karnal: Petey4335: karnal: DrD'isInfotainment: karnal: Tyrone Slothrop: karnal: Breaking News: Dims are frightened by DeSantis

Breaking news: Jews are frightened of Hitler.

\and of course we know whose side you're on

Just because the Dems have enable the anti-Semites in their party, doesn't make it something to brag about.

Ok, you're just being an asshole


Doesn't change things

Do you get paid by character, word, or post count?

I'm salary - I get paid whether I post or not.

Then why bother posting?


If I have you to explain to you.....


Nope. What i said was for your own self teflection, but alas, it wasn't understood
 
karnal
2022-11-30 10:53:07 AM  

Petey4335: karnal: Petey4335: karnal: Petey4335: karnal: DrD'isInfotainment: karnal: Tyrone Slothrop: karnal: Breaking News: Dims are frightened by DeSantis

Breaking news: Jews are frightened of Hitler.

\and of course we know whose side you're on

Just because the Dems have enable the anti-Semites in their party, doesn't make it something to brag about.

Ok, you're just being an asshole


Doesn't change things

Do you get paid by character, word, or post count?

I'm salary - I get paid whether I post or not.

Then why bother posting?


If I have you to explain to you.....

Nope. What i said was for your own self teflection, but alas, it wasn't understood


That's ok - it probably happens to you a lot.
 
Epic Fap Session
2022-11-30 10:53:19 AM  

karnal: Breaking News: Dims are frightened by DeSantis


Not So Breaking News: Conservatives think everybody's decisions are fear-based because they are chickenshiat candyasses that are afraid of everything that isn't straight and white.
 
karnal
2022-11-30 10:55:52 AM  

Epic Fap Session: karnal: Breaking News: Dims are frightened by DeSantis

Not So Breaking News: Conservatives think everybody's decisions are fear-based because they are chickenshiat candyasses that are afraid of everything that isn't straight and white.



Could you break that down a little more?  Conservatives think everybody's decisions are fear-based?
 
Palined Parenthood [TotalFark]
2022-11-30 11:24:58 AM  
Green Jello - Misadventures of Shitman
Youtube pRSbB2Eau74
 
Epic Fap Session
2022-11-30 11:35:47 AM  

karnal: Epic Fap Session: karnal: Breaking News: Dims are frightened by DeSantis

Not So Breaking News: Conservatives think everybody's decisions are fear-based because they are chickenshiat candyasses that are afraid of everything that isn't straight and white.


Could you break that down a little more?  Conservatives think everybody's decisions are fear-based?


Sure.  You people are terrified of everything.  Brown people, black people, public places if unarmed, liberals, communists.

That's why you're so into guns and the hysteria surrounding immigration and all the other bullshiat you come up with to oppress others.
 
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