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Original [TotalFark]
2022-11-29 3:49:06 PM  
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spongeboob [TotalFark]
2022-11-29 3:52:50 PM  
Democrats keep moving right as well
 
aleister_greynight [TotalFark]
2022-11-29 3:56:05 PM  
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Irving Maimway [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 3:56:15 PM  
That turn to the right starts in 81.

Go figure.
 
BizarreMan [TotalFark]
2022-11-29 4:04:48 PM  

aleister_greynight: [Fark user image 572x517]


Came for this.

Leaving saddened.
 
Naido [TotalFark]
2022-11-29 4:07:10 PM  
I'd love to know how we measure this.
 
AdmirableSnackbar [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 4:07:12 PM  

spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well


How else are we going to get bipartisan legislation?
 
fatassbastard [TotalFark]
2022-11-29 4:07:37 PM  
From the replies:

"Bill Clinton would be too far right to be elected AS A REPUBLICAN today."

"Today's Republicans are basically at the same position as 90s Democrats on most issues."

And this is why we can't have nice things.
 
Bootleg [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 4:14:55 PM  

fatassbastard: From the replies:

"Bill Clinton would be too far right to be elected AS A REPUBLICAN today."

"Today's Republicans are basically at the same position as 90s Democrats on most issues."

And this is why we can't have nice things.


Democrats were all about investigating Hunter Biden in the 90s?

/I'd ask about the other Republican positions
//But I don't think they have any
///They certainly don't talk about policy
 
TheHighlandHowler [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 4:17:17 PM  
Thank Roger Ailes.
 
Bith Set Me Up
2022-11-29 4:23:11 PM  

spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well


AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

How else are we going to get bipartisan legislation?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2019/07/05/feature/haunted-by-the-reagan-era/

TheHighlandHowler: Thank Roger Ailes the 1996 Telecommunications Act.


FTFY.

https://www.avclub.com/the-telecommunications-act-of-1996-gave-us-shiatty-cell-1798250823
 
null [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 4:26:55 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

How else are we going to get bipartisan legislation?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2019/07/05/feature/haunted-by-the-reagan-era/

TheHighlandHowler: Thank Roger Ailes the 1996 Telecommunications Act.

FTFY.

https://www.avclub.com/the-telecommunications-act-of-1996-gave-us-shiatty-cell-1798250823


Clinton Dems loved the deregulation that gave us massive media mergers and consolidations leading to things like Sinclair Media owing hundreds of TV stations and also the financial deregulation that gave us Enron and too-big-to-fail banks and so on.

Don't ever forget this.
 
snocone [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 4:33:17 PM  
Once you realize that a jump is much bigger than a step, a jump to the left and then a step to the right is pretty self explanitary.
 
snocone [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 4:36:43 PM  
smaller not bigger, damn thimbs
 
AdmirableSnackbar [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 4:38:52 PM  

snocone: Once you realize that a jump is much bigger than a step, a jump to the left and then a step to the right is pretty self explanitary.


Well we're all really feeling that pelvic thrust as a result.
 
Bith Set Me Up
2022-11-29 4:40:49 PM  

null: Bith Set Me Up: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

How else are we going to get bipartisan legislation?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2019/07/05/feature/haunted-by-the-reagan-era/

TheHighlandHowler: Thank Roger Ailes the 1996 Telecommunications Act.

FTFY.

https://www.avclub.com/the-telecommunications-act-of-1996-gave-us-shiatty-cell-1798250823

Clinton Dems loved the deregulation that gave us massive media mergers and consolidations leading to things like Sinclair Media owing hundreds of TV stations and also the financial deregulation that gave us Enron and too-big-to-fail banks and so on.

Don't ever forget this.


Fark user imageView Full Size


"It's striking that so many of the great economic initiatives of the Clinton presidency led eventually to catastrophe. But what really makes this story poisonous is that liberals by and large convinced themselves for many years that nothing had gone wrong at all. Everything Clinton's team had done was an act of professional-class consensus. Because most of the fuses lit by Clinton and Co. didn't actually detonate until after he had left office -- and by then some science-denying Republican was in the Oval Office -- they found it easy to absolve the Democrat from blame."
 
null [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 4:51:33 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: null: Bith Set Me Up: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

How else are we going to get bipartisan legislation?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2019/07/05/feature/haunted-by-the-reagan-era/

TheHighlandHowler: Thank Roger Ailes the 1996 Telecommunications Act.

FTFY.

https://www.avclub.com/the-telecommunications-act-of-1996-gave-us-shiatty-cell-1798250823

Clinton Dems loved the deregulation that gave us massive media mergers and consolidations leading to things like Sinclair Media owing hundreds of TV stations and also the financial deregulation that gave us Enron and too-big-to-fail banks and so on.

Don't ever forget this.

[Fark user image image 333x500]

"It's striking that so many of the great economic initiatives of the Clinton presidency led eventually to catastrophe. But what really makes this story poisonous is that liberals by and large convinced themselves for many years that nothing had gone wrong at all. Everything Clinton's team had done was an act of professional-class consensus. Because most of the fuses lit by Clinton and Co. didn't actually detonate until after he had left office -- and by then some science-denying Republican was in the Oval Office -- they found it easy to absolve the Democrat from blame."


People blamed Chimpy McFlightsuit for the mortgage crisis but the enabling factor was the deregulation while Clinton was in office and the trigger was the utter lack of any kind of enforcement or policing while Chimpy was in office.
 
AdmirableSnackbar [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 4:58:31 PM  

null: Bith Set Me Up: null: Bith Set Me Up: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

How else are we going to get bipartisan legislation?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2019/07/05/feature/haunted-by-the-reagan-era/

TheHighlandHowler: Thank Roger Ailes the 1996 Telecommunications Act.

FTFY.

https://www.avclub.com/the-telecommunications-act-of-1996-gave-us-shiatty-cell-1798250823

Clinton Dems loved the deregulation that gave us massive media mergers and consolidations leading to things like Sinclair Media owing hundreds of TV stations and also the financial deregulation that gave us Enron and too-big-to-fail banks and so on.

Don't ever forget this.

[Fark user image image 333x500]

"It's striking that so many of the great economic initiatives of the Clinton presidency led eventually to catastrophe. But what really makes this story poisonous is that liberals by and large convinced themselves for many years that nothing had gone wrong at all. Everything Clinton's team had done was an act of professional-class consensus. Because most of the fuses lit by Clinton and Co. didn't actually detonate until after he had left office -- and by then some science-denying Republican was in the Oval Office -- they found it easy to absolve the Democrat from blame."

People blamed Chimpy McFlightsuit for the mortgage crisis but the enabling factor was the deregulation while Clinton was in office and the trigger was the utter lack of any kind of enforcement or policing while Chimpy was in office.


But you have to remember, despite supporting all that, plus the Iraq War, plus opposing universal health care, fair wages, and gay marriage, Hillary is only disliked because she's a woman.
 
NateAsbestos [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 5:04:15 PM  
Oh ffs
 
null [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 5:07:56 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: null: Bith Set Me Up: null: Bith Set Me Up: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

How else are we going to get bipartisan legislation?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2019/07/05/feature/haunted-by-the-reagan-era/

TheHighlandHowler: Thank Roger Ailes the 1996 Telecommunications Act.

FTFY.

https://www.avclub.com/the-telecommunications-act-of-1996-gave-us-shiatty-cell-1798250823

Clinton Dems loved the deregulation that gave us massive media mergers and consolidations leading to things like Sinclair Media owing hundreds of TV stations and also the financial deregulation that gave us Enron and too-big-to-fail banks and so on.

Don't ever forget this.

[Fark user image image 333x500]

"It's striking that so many of the great economic initiatives of the Clinton presidency led eventually to catastrophe. But what really makes this story poisonous is that liberals by and large convinced themselves for many years that nothing had gone wrong at all. Everything Clinton's team had done was an act of professional-class consensus. Because most of the fuses lit by Clinton and Co. didn't actually detonate until after he had left office -- and by then some science-denying Republican was in the Oval Office -- they found it easy to absolve the Democrat from blame."

People blamed Chimpy McFlightsuit for the mortgage crisis but the enabling factor was the deregulation while Clinton was in office and the trigger was the utter lack of any kind of enforcement or policing while Chimpy was in office.

But you have to remember, despite supporting all that, plus the Iraq War, plus opposing universal health care, fair wages, and gay marriage, Hillary is only disliked because she's a woman.


Snacky, you're a bit off the deep end, you know that, right?
 
AdmirableSnackbar [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 5:09:14 PM  

null: AdmirableSnackbar: null: Bith Set Me Up: null: Bith Set Me Up: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

How else are we going to get bipartisan legislation?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2019/07/05/feature/haunted-by-the-reagan-era/

TheHighlandHowler: Thank Roger Ailes the 1996 Telecommunications Act.

FTFY.

https://www.avclub.com/the-telecommunications-act-of-1996-gave-us-shiatty-cell-1798250823

Clinton Dems loved the deregulation that gave us massive media mergers and consolidations leading to things like Sinclair Media owing hundreds of TV stations and also the financial deregulation that gave us Enron and too-big-to-fail banks and so on.

Don't ever forget this.

[Fark user image image 333x500]

"It's striking that so many of the great economic initiatives of the Clinton presidency led eventually to catastrophe. But what really makes this story poisonous is that liberals by and large convinced themselves for many years that nothing had gone wrong at all. Everything Clinton's team had done was an act of professional-class consensus. Because most of the fuses lit by Clinton and Co. didn't actually detonate until after he had left office -- and by then some science-denying Republican was in the Oval Office -- they found it easy to absolve the Democrat from blame."

People blamed Chimpy McFlightsuit for the mortgage crisis but the enabling factor was the deregulation while Clinton was in office and the trigger was the utter lack of any kind of enforcement or policing while Chimpy was in office.

But you have to remember, despite supporting all that, plus the Iraq War, plus opposing universal health care, fair wages, and gay marriage, Hillary is only disliked because she's a woman.

Snacky, you're a bit off the deep end, you know that, right?


I sincerely believed this thread would go red.
 
Myrdinn [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 5:11:22 PM  
Regardless of political affiliation, we can all agree that Nazis should be punched, right?


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NateAsbestos: Oh ffs
 
puffy999 [TotalFark]
2022-11-29 5:13:47 PM  

Naido: I'd love to know how we measure this.


It seems to be based on contemporary voting habits and what was more broadly supported overall at the time.

A good example would be LGBTQ rights. It's a mainstream concept now, whereas it wasn't so much three decades ago. And this chart shows that Democrats are far, far more accepting of "moving with the times" than Republicans seem to be.

Of course, this is apparently based on stuff which is voted upon, so no "Medicare for all" involved or any of the stuff we need but gosh darn the DNC just can't get behind because of their corporate masters.
 
AdmirableSnackbar [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 5:16:46 PM  

Myrdinn: Regardless of political affiliation, we can all agree that Nazis should be punched, right?


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NateAsbestos: Oh ffs


On sight.
 
Lambskincoat [TotalFark]
2022-11-29 5:47:22 PM  
I think they've always been 'in the closet Klan', they've just been embiggened. Reagan touched off his campaign in 1980 with a nod to the town that proudly murdered three young Civil Rights workers.

As part of his 1980 presidential campaign, Ronald Reagan made an appearance at the Neshoba County Fair where he gave a speech on August 3, 1980. Critics claim that Reagan's choice of location for the speech (the fairgrounds were about 7 miles from Philadelphia, Mississippi, a town associated with the murders of Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner in 1964) was evidence of racial bias.
During his speech, Reagan said:[1]

I still believe the answer to any problem lies with the people. I believe in states' rights. I believe in people doing as much as they can for themselves at the community level and at the private level, and I believe we've distorted the balance of our government today by giving powers that were never intended in the Constitution to that federal establishment.
 
gameshowhost [OhFark]
2022-11-29 6:17:17 PM  
ah, this palp again

'assume that fifty years of economic policy being dragged to the right never happened'
 
Palined Parenthood [TotalFark]
2022-11-29 6:27:45 PM  
we have to meet them in the middle guys
 
djkutch [TotalFark]
2022-11-29 6:28:07 PM  
Reagan not only created the government credit card, he used it to chop up cocaine lines in a ritual similar Communion.
 
Jack Sabbath
2022-11-29 6:30:38 PM  
And Liberals have farked themselves over by letting some of their loudest voices be the ones crowing about pronouns and woke-ism etc.  They are the party with actual ideas and accomplishments, and they let the fringe element have too big a voice.

Republicans have let their loudest voices shout about race and conspiracy, but they are mostly fine with it, as that is part and parcel of being a Republican in the first place.
 
meat0918 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 6:31:12 PM  

spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well


Data says they moved slightly left.
 
shinji3i
2022-11-29 6:32:56 PM  

Naido: I'd love to know how we measure this.


(For more details on DW-NOMINATE and this analysis' geographical definitions, read "How we did this.")

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/10/the-polarization-in-todays-congress-has-roots-that-go-back-decades/
 
feltrider [TotalFark]
2022-11-29 6:34:31 PM  

Myrdinn: Regardless of political affiliation, we can all agree that Nazis should be punched, right?


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NateAsbestos: Oh ffs


I literally got banned from Reddit for making this exact statement.

God I love Fark.
 
Rent Party
2022-11-29 6:34:33 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: null: Bith Set Me Up: null: Bith Set Me Up: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

How else are we going to get bipartisan legislation?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2019/07/05/feature/haunted-by-the-reagan-era/

TheHighlandHowler: Thank Roger Ailes the 1996 Telecommunications Act.

FTFY.

https://www.avclub.com/the-telecommunications-act-of-1996-gave-us-shiatty-cell-1798250823

Clinton Dems loved the deregulation that gave us massive media mergers and consolidations leading to things like Sinclair Media owing hundreds of TV stations and also the financial deregulation that gave us Enron and too-big-to-fail banks and so on.

Don't ever forget this.

[Fark user image image 333x500]

"It's striking that so many of the great economic initiatives of the Clinton presidency led eventually to catastrophe. But what really makes this story poisonous is that liberals by and large convinced themselves for many years that nothing had gone wrong at all. Everything Clinton's team had done was an act of professional-class consensus. Because most of the fuses lit by Clinton and Co. didn't actually detonate until after he had left office -- and by then some science-denying Republican was in the Oval Office -- they found it easy to absolve the Democrat from blame."

People blamed Chimpy McFlightsuit for the mortgage crisis but the enabling factor was the deregulation while Clinton was in office and the trigger was the utter lack of any kind of enforcement or policing while Chimpy was in office.

But you have to remember, despite supporting all that, plus the Iraq War, plus opposing universal health care, fair wages, and gay marriage, Hillary is only disliked because she's a woman.


That might all be true, but who else was going to take on the big banks?!
 
discotaco
2022-11-29 6:34:52 PM  

meat0918: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

Data says they moved slightly left.


Who needs data when you have your feelings?
 
Phoenix87ta
2022-11-29 6:35:05 PM  

Jack Sabbath: And Liberals have farked themselves over by letting some of their loudest voices be the ones crowing about pronouns and woke-ism etc.  They are the party with actual ideas and accomplishments, and they let the fringe element have too big a voice.

Republicans have let their loudest voices shout about race and conspiracy, but they are mostly fine with it, as that is part and parcel of being a Republican in the first place.


I'd say part of the problem here is the idea that treating marginalized communities with respect is an idea only the "fringe element" would promote
 
spiralscratch
2022-11-29 6:35:39 PM  
I love the subtle, unnecessary use of positive and negative numbers when referring to conservatives and liberals. Certainly no bias there.
 
El_Dan
2022-11-29 6:38:46 PM  
Elon Musk needs to hurry up and do his farking job and deal with these Twitter links.
 
shinji3i
2022-11-29 6:41:28 PM  

Jack Sabbath: And Liberals have farked themselves over by letting some of their loudest voices be the ones crowing about pronouns and woke-ism etc.  They are the party with actual ideas and accomplishments, and they let the fringe element have too big a voice.

Republicans have let their loudest voices shout about race and conspiracy, but they are mostly fine with it, as that is part and parcel of being a Republican in the first place.


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
GardenWeasel [TotalFark]
2022-11-29 6:42:03 PM  

Jack Sabbath: And Liberals have farked themselves over by letting some of their loudest voices be the ones crowing about pronouns and woke-ism etc.  They are the party with actual ideas and accomplishments, and they let the fringe element have too big a voice.

Republicans have let their loudest voices shout about race and conspiracy, but they are mostly fine with it, as that is part and parcel of being a Republican in the first place.


Many of those "loudest voices" come from outside the party and/or country and are getting exactly the result the intended.
 
GardenWeasel [TotalFark]
2022-11-29 6:42:30 PM  

GardenWeasel: Jack Sabbath: And Liberals have farked themselves over by letting some of their loudest voices be the ones crowing about pronouns and woke-ism etc.  They are the party with actual ideas and accomplishments, and they let the fringe element have too big a voice.

Republicans have let their loudest voices shout about race and conspiracy, but they are mostly fine with it, as that is part and parcel of being a Republican in the first place.

Many of those "loudest voices" come from outside the party and/or country and are getting exactly the result the intended.


*they intended.
 
mrshowrules [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-29 6:42:38 PM  

spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well


Not according to the charts.
 
Subtonic
2022-11-29 6:43:23 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

How else are we going to get bipartisan legislation?


Fark user imageView Full Size


And you just keep posting.
 
qorkfiend
2022-11-29 6:43:34 PM  

spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well


You have trouble with right and left, don't you?
 
RasIanI
2022-11-29 6:45:08 PM  
All Clinton did was "triangulate" -- he took the GOP position, the established Democratic position, and tried to find the middle ground between the two.

For good or ill, that was the secret to his success.
 
kmgenesis23
2022-11-29 6:48:42 PM  

null: Bith Set Me Up: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

AdmirableSnackbar: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

How else are we going to get bipartisan legislation?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2019/07/05/feature/haunted-by-the-reagan-era/

TheHighlandHowler: Thank Roger Ailes the 1996 Telecommunications Act.

FTFY.

https://www.avclub.com/the-telecommunications-act-of-1996-gave-us-shiatty-cell-1798250823

Clinton Dems loved the deregulation that gave us massive media mergers and consolidations leading to things like Sinclair Media owing hundreds of TV stations and also the financial deregulation that gave us Enron and too-big-to-fail banks and so on.

Don't ever forget this.


Amen. Among many other unforgivables,, this one ranks high.
 
Gonz
2022-11-29 6:49:05 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: But what really makes this story poisonous is that liberals by and large convinced themselves for many years that nothing had gone wrong at all.


I don't know if that is accurate. I voted for Clinton, and even at the time we were deeply suspicious of his government by focus groups and polls. Especially once National Health Care bombed, he just seemed very content to let the economy boom.

And of course after the 94 midterms, we had zero illusions about anything of substance passing.

But after a dozen years of Reagan and Bush, it was still... better. And of course Bill himself had supernatural charisma. But even at the time, we didn't give him a free pass.
 
gaspode
2022-11-29 6:50:09 PM  

spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well


Well the data here would suggest they do not (and I think it is transparent that they are more left than they were in the mid-90s)

maybe you have other data or is it just a feeling?
 
Geotpf
2022-11-29 6:54:01 PM  

RasIanI: All Clinton did was "triangulate" -- he took the GOP position, the established Democratic position, and tried to find the middle ground between the two.

For good or ill, that was the secret to his success.


Sorta.

First, he tried to govern as a liberal.  His first two major policy initiatives were to allow gays in the military and provide universal health care coverage for all.  He got so much shiat about both policies that he gave up and moved to the middle.  And then everybody suddenly loved him.  So he continued to do what the public wanted; govern from the middle.

If America hadn't gave him shiat when he tried to govern from the left, he would have governed from the left.
 
Northern
2022-11-29 6:54:11 PM  
It's like vampires and werewolves can't get over the barbed wire fence to invade Iraq anymore.
 
UndeadPoetsSociety
2022-11-29 6:55:19 PM  

gaspode: spongeboob: Democrats keep moving right as well

Well the data here would suggest they do not (and I think it is transparent that they are more left than they were in the mid-90s)

maybe you have other data or is it just a feeling?


There's plenty of data posted above in various comments of the Democratic move to the right during and after the Clinton years. They've become somewhat more progressive on queer rights and talk a good game on racial bias. Both spongeboob and the Pew study could be considered correct depending on how you weight the various different elements in your assessment of where they stand on that political spectrum
 
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