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(Polygon)   How being able to choose "girl" in early RPGs helped shape today's game developers. Note: "early RPGs" in this case refers to 2001   (polygon.com) divider line
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2022-11-29 10:24:42 AM  
Also didn't realize Pokemon Crystal released in 2001.

I think I stopped with Gold before picking up Shield during the Pandemic
 
2022-11-29 11:18:57 AM  
I frequently create female or Black characters because why not?
 
2022-11-29 11:30:29 AM  

cretinbob: I frequently create female or Black characters because why not?


A friend of mine always creates female characters for online games.

He's a dude.

He says he finds it funny how people get so mad at him when they find out he's not a girl.
 
2022-11-29 12:08:57 PM  
There is absolutely no chance at all that the gist of this article will be twisted into a "video games are causing children to question their gender identity" argument, advanced by the same forces whose lives are consumed with fear about transgender rapists in elementary school bathrooms and how CRT is poisoning minds with anti-white racism.
 
2022-11-29 12:12:25 PM  
I always thought the white mage in final fantasy 1 was a woman but then I released anyone can be a white mage
 
2022-11-29 12:13:46 PM  
I think Rescue Rangers and Tailspin had a bigger impact.
 
2022-11-29 12:18:38 PM  

Rev.K: cretinbob: I frequently create female or Black characters because why not?

A friend of mine always creates female characters for online games.

He's a dude.

He says he finds it funny how people get so mad at him when they find out he's not a girl.


Mass Effect. Fem Shep has the far superior voice actor.
 
2022-11-29 12:19:00 PM  
"Are you a boy or girl?"

"Girl."

"Why?"

"Because I'm comfortable with my masculinity and want to imagine lots of rule 34 with my tailor made waifu."
 
2022-11-29 12:21:31 PM  

Rev.K: cretinbob: I frequently create female or Black characters because why not?

A friend of mine always creates female characters for online games.

He's a dude.

He says he finds it funny how people get so mad at him when they find out he's not a girl.


In third person games, I usually pick female characters because who wants to stare at man ass constantly?
 
2022-11-29 12:21:55 PM  
Just go on /r/traaa and type pokemon and.... yeah.

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2022-11-29 12:24:08 PM  
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2022-11-29 12:31:21 PM  

Geotpf: Rev.K: cretinbob: I frequently create female or Black characters because why not?

A friend of mine always creates female characters for online games.

He's a dude.

He says he finds it funny how people get so mad at him when they find out he's not a girl.

In third person games, I usually pick female characters because who wants to stare at man ass constantly?


I'm trying to remember who said something similar (Jack Patillo from Achievement Hunter...?), but ever since I heard it, I've been picking/creating female protags more often than males.

/and because I'm trying to be the hottest girl, my protag's brown-skinned, tall, and curvy
//a lot of Bandai Namco RPGs allowed for that
 
2022-11-29 12:35:31 PM  
This is how I felt about Karnov.
 
2022-11-29 12:36:18 PM  

rjakobi: "Are you a boy or girl?"

"Girl."

"Why?"

"Because I'm comfortable with my masculinity and want to imagine lots of rule 34 with my tailor made waifu."


It's actually beneficial to play as a woman in Fallout 3. Besides getting some fun interactions with the lesbian ghoul hotel owner, you can also get the Black Widow perk that gives you options in dealing with some male NPCs, as well as damage bonuses against male human enemies. About 70% of human enemies in Fallout 3 are male. (New Vegas added perks to balance this out.)
 
2022-11-29 12:38:59 PM  
Opens article.  Ctrl F Fallout      no.  Well F u too.
 
2022-11-29 12:46:47 PM  

Zik-Zak: Geotpf: Rev.K: cretinbob: I frequently create female or Black characters because why not?

A friend of mine always creates female characters for online games.

He's a dude.

He says he finds it funny how people get so mad at him when they find out he's not a girl.

In third person games, I usually pick female characters because who wants to stare at man ass constantly?

I'm trying to remember who said something similar (Jack Patillo from Achievement Hunter...?), but ever since I heard it, I've been picking/creating female protags more often than males.

/and because I'm trying to be the hottest girl, my protag's brown-skinned, tall, and curvy
//a lot of Bandai Namco RPGs allowed for that


I've heard a lot of people say something like that, but he was definitely one of them.  On the other hand, it's also common for people to initially explore their sexuality or identity by creating fictional characters, whether in video games or things like D&D, before coming out as trans.  I think Mae Dean talked a bit about it, and even took her new name from the one she used for a lot of her MMO characters.  On the third hand, some people just go by which gets better looking gear, has the better voice actor, less annoying romance options, or any number of other reasons.
 
2022-11-29 12:48:23 PM  
Everyone is Ms. Pacman when the lights are off.

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2022-11-29 12:54:40 PM  

Rev.K: cretinbob: I frequently create female or Black characters because why not?

A friend of mine always creates female characters for online games.

He's a dude.

He says he finds it funny how people get so mad at him when they find out he's not a girl.


I mained a female toon once for a MMO. For two reasons: First being the male model looked bad and two, if I'm going to stare at an ass during a raid, may as well be female.
 
2022-11-29 1:04:18 PM  

rjakobi: "Are you a boy or girl?"

"Girl."

"Why?"

"Because I'm comfortable with my masculinity and want to imagine lots of rule 34 with my tailor made waifu."


This is the correct answer.
 
2022-11-29 1:19:28 PM  
My first toon for a game will usually be a bald and bearded man albeit skinnier than I am. Later toons will be a cute redheaded lady with freckles.
 
2022-11-29 1:21:22 PM  
But if you play as a female you can only unlock 70% of the achievements
 
2022-11-29 1:23:32 PM  
I am old enough to fondly 9 and sometimes no so fondly) remember generations of RPGs over many generation of consoles.   in the early days gender was just not an option you were given.  This especially for consoles was due two things: 1. memory space and 2. beliefs at the time of what kind of games girls played.   The first RPG i can recall playing ( admittedly it is possible i may have forgotten a game) was Dragon quest III as it gave you the option as well  but the character spite was virtually identical to the male version.   Later rereleases changed up the female hero sprite to give her a more unique appearance.

Did not have a sega system growing up so i cannot comment on rpgs on either the master system or the genesis.

The SNES I had and whilwe their were strong female characters in RPGS none of them were the lead characters expect  for Terra ( 1st half) and Celes ( 2nd half) in FF3/6.

There really was very few to no character customization of RPG game characters outside what gear you gave them outside pc games.   That became more of a thing from the Ps1 era onward as far as consoles go , which is fair as until then the consoles would have either not really been able to do much customization out side of color swaps or switch between a few preselected appearances .

Later gens finally had the oomf to truly give you control over appearance on a level that got you on a similar level to what PC games had been offering for years.   Things have improved since then.   Even the Diablo series finally stopped locking classes to specific genders as of Diablo III.  Ever since at least the Xbox 360/ps3 era character creation has been on par with what pc games offer even if the graphics were not then at PC games levels.   Now days there is very little difference graphics wise between pc games and console games.

That said while more and more games get female leads they continue to be rarer in RPGS than in some other genres.
 
2022-11-29 1:23:42 PM  

Rev.K: cretinbob: I frequently create female or Black characters because why not?

A friend of mine always creates female characters for online games.

He's a dude.

He says he finds it funny how people get so mad at him when they find out he's not a girl.


If I'm going to spend hours staring at my character from a 3rd person POV... I'll go for the attractive female avatar every time.
 
2022-11-29 1:30:46 PM  
I always play female characters in Skyrim for the bikini armor myriad plot-points.
 
2022-11-29 1:31:09 PM  

rjakobi: "Are you a boy or girl?"

"Girl."

"Why?"

"Because I'm comfortable with my masculinity and want to imagine lots of rule 34 with my tailor made waifu."


Since I'm going to stare at my character's butt for a couple of hundred hours of gameplay, I always choose female characters.
 
2022-11-29 1:53:00 PM  
I'm a guy who plays characters of either gender, but more female than male ones by about 2:1. I usually have a specific name and character design in mind, which largely determines which gender I choose, and my play style is more about dressing up rather than gearing up. My rogue, Stabbingsly, is always male in whatever game I create him in, but my primary RPG character is a female magic user of some sort. Because sometimes I just want to feel powerful and beautiful. Aesthetics is a huge factor, but not because I want to look at female asses. I can't sexualize my characters because they're ME.
 
2022-11-29 1:57:16 PM  
The earliest RPGs featured androgynous avatars...

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2022-11-29 1:59:23 PM  

Rev.K: cretinbob: I frequently create female or Black characters because why not?

A friend of mine always creates female characters for online games.

He's a dude.

He says he finds it funny how people get so mad at him when they find out he's not a girl.


Its actually pretty smart because who wants to look at a male character's ass running around for 60 levels.

I dont always create girls characters, but a lot of times I do.
 
2022-11-29 2:03:29 PM  
Now, 21 years later, it is comforting to see game studios pushing and trying for better representation in all gaming spaces, both physical and pixelated.

And it's leading to some great portrayals, too.Kassandra (as the protagonist) in Assassin's Creed Odyssey is fantastic. Melissanthi Mahut killed it in the role, and the character was a far better fit for lead than Alexios (who the Ubisoft execs shoehorned in as a protagonist option because they didn't believe a female lead could carry an Assassin's Creed game).Cyberpunk 2077 is loaded with great female characters, too.  Female V, Judy, Panam, etc are all well done, and they do a good job of creating characters with many different personalities regardless of gender across the span of supporting characters in the game.  They do a good job of making it feel like a post-gender meritocratic world
 
2022-11-29 2:04:58 PM  

Vacation Bible School: I always play female characters in Skyrim for the bikini armor myriad plot-points.


I'm in a playthrough now, and I'm amazed at the effort people have put into creating a full fledged sex-sim out of the thing. I stuck with the basics of the collection I used (I'm a perv, but I'm also lazy), but dayummm the the stuff one can apparently do. BSDM is just the start, man.
 
2022-11-29 2:06:37 PM  
There's a lot of people who apparently spend a lot of their time staring at their character's ass while playing games... Me, personally, I'm normally more worried about the other things happening on screen and making sure I don't die. Maybe I'm just not good enough to play while laser focused on pixelated booty. 

And I say this as a person who prefers to play female characters in games, not because I prefer staring at their asses, but because I prefer their aesthetics (and in many cases, their gameplay) to the male counterparts.
 
2022-11-29 2:20:13 PM  
I never get the "if I'm gonna stare at a video game ass...." reasoning.

When I'm playing the game in 3rd person the absolute last part of the screen I'm spending focus on is the character model, let alone an insignificant part of the character model.
 
2022-11-29 2:27:32 PM  

bhcompy: Kassandra (as the protagonist) in Assassin's Creed Odyssey is fantastic. Melissanthi Mahut killed it in the role, and the character was a far better fit for lead than Alexios (who the Ubisoft execs shoehorned in as a protagonist option because they didn't believe a female lead could carry an Assassin's Creed game).


Seconding this. Even watching online playthroughs where they're playing as Alexios is lame.
 
2022-11-29 2:35:39 PM  

Sgt. Expendable: I never get the "if I'm gonna stare at a video game ass...." reasoning.

When I'm playing the game in 3rd person the absolute last part of the screen I'm spending focus on is the character model, let alone an insignificant part of the character model.


I can't speak for anyone else, but I was joking.  Your avatar is just a marker on the screen.  I pay little attention to its details outside of the creation screen.

I choose female avatars for the same reason I'd choose a blue cloak... It's an option.
 
2022-11-29 2:42:58 PM  

Geotpf: In third person games, I usually pick female characters because who wants to stare at man ass constantly?


Clash City Farker: who wants to look at a male character's ass running around for 60 levels.


I mean...
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/how is it so easy to forget that androsexuality exists?
 
2022-11-29 2:49:21 PM  
I'm an old dude, and often play female characters, always named either Emily Dickinson or Edith Wharton, because I love the personalized messages like, "Emily Dickinson just got a double kill head shot!"
 
2022-11-29 2:54:11 PM  

cretinbob: I frequently create female or Black characters because why not?


I make female characters because Baldur's Gate 2 had variant missions and plot options for females and I wanted to see how developers handled it.  And since then I've decided MMO developers create more attractive female characters than the absurd tank things they create for male characters.
 
2022-11-29 3:13:43 PM  

Pestifer: I'm an old dude, and often play female characters, always named either Emily Dickinson or Edith Wharton, because I love the personalized messages like, "Emily Dickinson just got a double kill head shot!"


The Saint's Row series seriously dropped the ball, introducing Jane Austen as a character (time travel was involved) and teasing her as possibly a major NPC or maybe even playable character, but deciding to do a horrible reboot instead.
 
2022-11-29 3:22:35 PM  

Pestifer: I'm an old dude, and often play female characters, always named either Emily Dickinson or Edith Wharton, because I love the personalized messages like, "Emily Dickinson just got a double kill head shot!"


In my big Quake 2days, I played a female avatar named Payback.

Every so often, I'd kill someone, they'd call me a biatch, and then immediately say, "Oh, I get it."
 
2022-11-29 3:33:19 PM  

Clash City Farker: Rev.K: cretinbob: I frequently create female or Black characters because why not?

A friend of mine always creates female characters for online games.

He's a dude.

He says he finds it funny how people get so mad at him when they find out he's not a girl.

Its actually pretty smart because who wants to look at a male character's ass running around for 60 levels.

I dont always create girls characters, but a lot of times I do.


But his friend's experience was even a thing back in the days of MUDs and MUSHes.  Maybe even moreso than in MMORPGs...

I was addicted to a pay-to-pay MUD based on ICE's Shadow World back in the early 90s.  I had advanced a male rogue to the level cap and was hanging out with the cool kids, but wanted something different, so I made a female bard and went out to grind XP ("hunting" in the slang there).

Every time I went out, this same guy was there.  And he'd always follow me around like a puppy dog.  He had the vibe of a desperate 14 year old manchild.  Everything he said to me was something personal, that tried to take me out of character and reveal player personality, etc., and I was trying to roleplay a bard, dammit.  (Do you know how hard that is for an engineer?)

Anyway, he finally asked me, "So, do you like NIN?"

I stopped, and said to him, "Dude.  I'm a 35 year old man trying to roleplay a female bard, and you're not making it any easier.  Do you really want to fark me like an animal?"

He got PISSED, and accused me of tricking him and "gay propositioning" him.  He actually attacked my character.

Long story short:  He had to be rezzed.

Never saw his character again.  Kid probably went on to fight for ethics in gaming journalism or something.

/by the time I played WoW, most people understood the ass thing
//my main was a female blood elf warlock just cuz I'd get to look at TWO asses
///hers and the succubus'
 
2022-11-29 3:33:52 PM  

rjakobi: "Are you a boy or girl?"

"Girl."

"Why?"

"Because I'm comfortable with my masculinity and want to imagine lots of rule 34 with my tailor made waifu."


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2022-11-29 3:36:48 PM  
I was a Tauren when I played wow so I saw cow ass all day.
 
2022-11-29 3:44:38 PM  
Oh, and in tabletop RPGs, I try to balance my characters between male and female, and distribute them among the races, just for variety.

The big difference I've noticed:  Nobody at a game table ever bats an eye if you're a 6'-1" 325lb neckbeard playing a female gnome illusionist with an 18 Charisma.

My current PC is a diminutive half-elf female fighter... dex-based but still tanky because 5e.  I made her to be an off-tank, but everybody else picked squishy classes, so guess who has to hold the corridor vs the ettercap?

/the Battlemaster archetype is not the fun I expected it to be, though
//gonna dip into Bard for a bit more utility
///why yes, she does have a 17 charisma
 
2022-11-29 3:44:44 PM  
I have a TRON rule since putting myself and then girlfriend in The Sims and creeping us both out:

Never make my character like myself.

Makes for fun characters though. Examples:

- White, white-haired senior citizen pistolero/con man in The Outer Worlds.

-Danny Trejo-ish shotgun-toting vaquero/repairman squad leader in Wasteland 3. Other created party members were a David Spade-ish sleazy doctor/kleptomaniac (make looting and risky or stupid decisions here), stout goth pyromaniac lass (Hot Topic teen mom bod with a flamethrower) and Grace Jones-ish, chainsmoking Black Muslim sniper/shiat talker woman.

- Male Nord bard/undead hunter for Meridia, or female Redguard mage/werewolf in modded Skyrim. Latter made mod-added naked hiking (or clad in nearby loot scrounge) back to where all your possesions dropped when wolfing out interesting and challenging, even murdered a horse riding traveler because my Lady Godiva was impatient and losing health to cold from mod. Also a pain when a random wolfing out warning came while in town; had to run and find an out of view, easy access spot to return to before change happens. Realism, yo.

- Drunk high society human female warlock in WoW (looked like Mallory Archer too).

-Ice queen albino redhead sentinel Femshep in Mass Effect trilogy that walked the line on renegade/paragon (mean but good choices). Wrex best pal, Thane lover (dying men and lesbian romps her things), Joker and Vega intimidated and Garrus dead -- he does not mesh with sentinel playstyle anyway; tanky friend and psionic/tech combos preferred.

-Mass Effect Andromeda: Middle Eastern "Jewfro" hair brother (stealth shotgun, goofy and friendly) and sister (sniper/psyker, suspicious of aliens but dating the Turian crew member).

-Laser-whip chola: lazy effort, railgun-toting hacker dude clad in surfer attire and sandals; and a corporate nihilist running, floating and gunning with poisoned smartguns and cybernetic legs in designer heels my three characters in Cyberpunk 2077.

Closest to me personality wise recently was female dwarf assassin inquisitor in Dragon Age 3. Realpolitik thinking, DGAF about the religion but used it for common sense. Just romanced the S&M addict giant for the lolz, it paid off with the betrayl.
 
2022-11-29 3:56:09 PM  

Rev.K: cretinbob: I frequently create female or Black characters because why not?

A friend of mine always creates female characters for online games.

He's a dude.

He says he finds it funny how people get so mad at him when they find out he's not a girl.


Are you my friend?  Because I have been doing that for as long as I can remember.  It gets you invited into way more on-line games than you might think, and the douchebros trying to chat you up as you remain silent is pretty entertaining.  The only thing more amusing is immediately after you start to talk.
 
2022-11-29 4:04:54 PM  

Marcos P: I always thought the white mage in final fantasy 1 was a woman but then I released anyone can be a white mage


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2022-11-29 4:45:35 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: There's a lot of people who apparently spend a lot of their time staring at their character's ass while playing games... Me, personally, I'm normally more worried about the other things happening on screen and making sure I don't die. Maybe I'm just not good enough to play while laser focused on pixelated booty.

And I say this as a person who prefers to play female characters in games, not because I prefer staring at their asses, but because I prefer their aesthetics (and in many cases, their gameplay) to the male counterparts.


Oh, a tits dude.
 
2022-11-29 4:47:54 PM  
Iasmin, who typically goes by their handle Delta, shared that they "didn't really see a lot of nonbinary or non-gender expression" in media and pop culture, especially during the most formative times of their life

That's because there are like four of you. Not having female playable characters in video games is disenfranchising HALF of ALL HUMANS
 
2022-11-29 4:50:24 PM  

Sgt. Expendable: I never get the "if I'm gonna stare at a video game ass...." reasoning.

When I'm playing the game in 3rd person the absolute last part of the screen I'm spending focus on is the character model, let alone an insignificant part of the character model.


that's because you keep playing as a dude
there's always something covering the ass so you don't get any gay feelings

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2022-11-29 5:43:59 PM  

Rev.K: cretinbob: I frequently create female or Black characters because why not?

A friend of mine always creates female characters for online games.

He's a dude.

He says he finds it funny how people get so mad at him when they find out he's not a girl.



My main in World of Warcraft was female because Male Draenei look ridiculous while females are curvy and have a sexy accent.   And yeah, I kinda got... good... at convincing players I was a girl in real life.  I'm not, but I won't turn down free stuff, and they did like to offer it.   Until of course the inevitable few asked for my phone number so they could give me extra "tips" about the game.

My Steam name includes the words "Judge Judy" and somehow people really do think I'm someone named Judy.  Not all the time, but easily a few per year.  I only did this because I macroed "GG.  NOW GET OUT OF MY COURTROOM!" to instantly paste in the chat whenever I would win at Brawlhalla.
 
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