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(CNBC)   Remote workers reclaimed 60mil hours of commuting time and are spending it on wellbeing, new sweat pants, comfy warm socks, being annoyed by the damn cat who NOW WON'T LEAVE THEM ALONE   (cnbc.com) divider line
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2022-11-29 9:40:12 AM  
Preach. I feed her just before bedtime, so she's not hungry. She starts meowing the song of her people at about 5:45am, for no damn reason other than she wants attention.
 
2022-11-29 10:17:46 AM  

snowjack: Preach. I feed her just before bedtime, so she's not hungry. She starts meowing the song of her people at about 5:45am, for no damn reason other than she wants attention.


5;45? Well, aren't you lucky. Mine is set for 04:30 STANDARD time, she doesn't understand daylight savings. Plus, the new feral is still too new to have the run of the house, so he/she starts yelling everytime they get bored or see the other cats (of which there are a few). Today is only their second day of captivity (thus being unsexed so far), luckily they are very young, just barely on solid food. No littermates in evidence so far, which is a bit odd.
 
2022-11-29 10:29:48 AM  
I say yes to this. Since the pandemic, I now only go into the office 2 days per week, and I spend that previously frustrating-as-hell hour doing my daily workout instead of sitting in LA traffic. To hell with cats, they're for masochists.
 
2022-11-29 10:37:30 AM  
and it seems to annoy the hell outta Elmo.
so even more reason to do it.
 
2022-11-29 10:40:08 AM  

Stephen_Falken: I say yes to this. Since the pandemic, I now only go into the office 2 days per week, and I spend that previously frustrating-as-hell hour doing my daily workout instead of sitting in LA traffic. To hell with cats, they're for masochists.


I wasn't much of a cat person, but my old boss assigned me feral cat detail at work, and her preferred solution was permanent. Not going to kill kittens (even the "old" ferals are barely 2) for $20 an hour, sorry biatch. New boss understands stable populations thankfully, and shockingly our kitten numbers have dropped from 25 a year to one every couple years.
 
2022-11-29 10:41:06 AM  
If middle managers and businesses want to try and justify stupid positions by micromanaging people in the office, or justify their overvalued empty office building instead of selling it off, then they need to start paying people for their commute time.

Also, if people are getting their work done without questions and it is still quality then shut the fark up that people have a better work/life balance and are happier and have better mental health.
 
2022-11-29 10:42:23 AM  

drewogatory: I wasn't much of a cat person, but my old boss assigned me feral cat detail at work, and her preferred solution was permanent. Not going to kill kittens (even the "old" ferals are barely 2) for $20 an hour, sorry biatch. New boss understands stable populations thankfully, and shockingly our kitten numbers have dropped from 25 a year to one every couple years.


Wait, you were paid to masturbate?
 
2022-11-29 10:45:38 AM  

WhiskeySticks: drewogatory: I wasn't much of a cat person, but my old boss assigned me feral cat detail at work, and her preferred solution was permanent. Not going to kill kittens (even the "old" ferals are barely 2) for $20 an hour, sorry biatch. New boss understands stable populations thankfully, and shockingly our kitten numbers have dropped from 25 a year to one every couple years.

Wait, you were paid to masturbate?


Well, I am excellent at it.
 
2022-11-29 10:47:19 AM  
Our cats are broken, then, because I work-from-home from the dining room table and they leave me alone.

Now, when Mrs. EspiaBoricua gets home.. oh, they pay LOTS OF ATTENTION TO HER!!!

She's prettier so I understand the cats' behavior.
 
2022-11-29 10:51:44 AM  
My wife locked our cat in the spare bedroom this morning because the cat wouldn't stop bothering her.  I laughed.
 
2022-11-29 11:18:22 AM  
Yeah, this "wellbeing".

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Look at you! You're so special, you cost more money every year to retain your 'wellness.'  And that's after you extorted your employers so that you never have to leave the house again.

How much does it cost to keep your wellness going?  Well, paycheck of course, then there's all those bennies, like corporate wellness (goddamn I'd hate to catch that), and then there's the crushing burden of what you do for work, which is pave over wetlands, basically.  Then there's all your consumer spending, which has just expanded again, due to inflation, your saved money due to remote working, and all the new stuff you bought for your Home Office, because of course you had to.  Now you can travel a lot more too, and since you were just out here in my town, you were thinking that  a little gentrification would do us good, since we're too farking stupid to capitalize on anything.  Not like YOU.

That seems like a really high price for the earth to pay for your minimal "wellness."  And it costs more every year.
I don't know, I'm not smart like you guys, but I'd think that you cost a  lot  more to keep than you're worth.  It's only because you and your place of business  use that propaganda tool, economics, to inflate your value considerably, that you have any value at all. As an American, you pretty suck everything out of the world, not put anything of value into it.
You're good at garbage though.  I believe we win that one again--should I look it up?  You know better. We won that one too. We make more garbage than anyone. that's a sign of how focused we are on our "wellbeing."  Well, your own wellbeing. Who gives a fark about the rest of it?

You should learn how to do real math better.  Not just the math that makes you feel better inside your head while you go shopping to celebrate how much more you can suck  than that prole over there.

But what you believe is really, really bad for MY well-being, as well as billions of people you think about even less than me.
 
2022-11-29 11:20:20 AM  
I started a new job in March 2020.  I was in the office two days and then they went to maximum telework.  I haven't been in the office since then.  My savings just for gas and tolls is about $10,000, not counting the 2-3 hours per day of commute time and overhead time to get ready for work every day.  I converted the travel time to exercise time and finally lost all that weight I'd been threatening to lose for so many years.  Most of what I do is heads-down computer work so Teams meetings can easily handle any collaboration that's needed.  No talk of my team returning to the office.

As far as bothersome cats go, I set up a soft blanket on my worktable for him.  He's close enough so he thinks he's bothering me without actually bothering me.  (Exception: When I'm trying to eat.)  The other three cats only want attention occasionally.

And my sweatpants are awesome!
 
2022-11-29 11:25:46 AM  
My cats bother me to go outside with them. They will climb on my head, get in front of my feet, attack my socks to give a hint to put on shoes. Then they lead me to the door. They get so happy when I go outside and run around like crazy, showing off like kids saying LOOK AT ME, and that makes me smile.
 
2022-11-29 11:28:23 AM  
Other activities that saw increases are childcare, job searching and income-generating ventures that aren't directly associated with the person's full-time job.

LOL.  Good ones, kids.  As expected.  You might take care of your kids, but that's kind of dead end.  They don't make any money.  But  you might decide to find a way to generate even more money!!   What else do you do in America?????
Hell, you needed out of your dehumanizing, toxic job so that you could go home and do it your own way. Now you're an influencer and you teach everyone how to pave over wetlands.  Score!!!!

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2022-11-29 11:34:49 AM  
"The rise in leisure was particularly pronounced among younger Americans, who reported spending more time at social events, eating at restaurants or bars, and exercising," according to the researchers.

But of course you did, you little buggers!  You don't know to do anything else but be waited on.  You could DO one of those jobs, but WHAT DID YOU SAY?  No.  You don't do those jobs.  You do some other perfectly pointless job that helps create more service jobs--ones that you don't do, and are above, thanks to all those marketing jobs.  you count. Your team introduced the world to the Ant Pile Margarita, and it went viral in 35 countries, as well as having a tie-in with the Chilean  soccer team that made you another $20,000 for like, nothing.  You don't even know.

Somebody should wait on you, now.
 
2022-11-29 11:48:13 AM  
Managers that track productivity of a team by measuring time in the office are either lazy, not very good at their job or both.
 
2022-11-29 11:56:22 AM  
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Remember, teleworkers, to adopt!  There's plenty of cats out there that need your love, such as this Bengal-mix.
 
2022-11-29 12:00:19 PM  

bighairyguy: I started a new job in March 2020.  I was in the office two days and then they went to maximum telework.  I haven't been in the office since then.  My savings just for gas and tolls is about $10,000, not counting the 2-3 hours per day of commute time and overhead time to get ready for work every day.  I converted the travel time to exercise time and finally lost all that weight I'd been threatening to lose for so many years.  Most of what I do is heads-down computer work so Teams meetings can easily handle any collaboration that's needed. No talk of my team returning to the office.

As far as bothersome cats go, I set up a soft blanket on my worktable for him.  He's close enough so he thinks he's bothering me without actually bothering me.  (Exception: When I'm trying to eat.)  The other three cats only want attention occasionally.

And my sweatpants are awesome!


I sit in the office all day having Teams meetings with the guy across the hall and my manager three doors down.
 
2022-11-29 12:18:42 PM  
"spending it on wellbeing"

hah if  "wellbeing" means netflix and social media
 
2022-11-29 12:21:03 PM  
Since WFH became a thing at my company, my morning commute has gone from 30 minutes in traffic to walking to the kitchen for coffee and then back to my computer.  Generally accompanied by a cat and sometimes a dog.  I love it.
 
2022-11-29 12:22:36 PM  
It's better now than when the pandemic started where I spent every spare second I wasn't working watching the news and looking at coronavirus statistics and panicking.

I love working from home. I don't spend tons of time making myself look presentable for work or commuting, I do yoga twice a week, I cook myself nice meals, and also I have a cushion for my cat on my desk so she can sit there and judge me because she doesn't get enough treats. Hey, the vet was the one who said she was halfway to being a chonk, not me, but she doesn't care.
 
2022-11-29 12:27:14 PM  

cryinoutloud: LOL. Good ones, kids. As expected. You might take care of your kids, but that's kind of dead end. They don't make any money. But you might decide to find a way to generate even more money!! What else do you do in America?????
Hell, you needed out of your dehumanizing, toxic job so that you could go home and do it your own way. Now you're an influencer and you teach everyone how to pave over wetlands. Score!!!!


You sound high strung; do you mind if I forward you the updated company wellness page? There is a discount for a meditation app that you might find useful, and you should really consider making an appointment with the new reikei counselor, Baihlee, so you can get your chakras aligned. Don't worry, you can expense the copay to HR.
 
2022-11-29 12:33:45 PM  

OhioUGrad: If middle managers and businesses want to try and justify stupid positions by micromanaging people in the office, or justify their overvalued empty office building instead of selling it off, then they need to start paying people for their commute time.

Also, if people are getting their work done without questions and it is still quality then shut the fark up that people have a better work/life balance and are happier and have better mental health.


Workers whining about middle managers is like GOPers whining about government bureaucracy. It's wasteful overhead until you get down the road and realize how farked you are without all the processes they kept marshaled and maintained and generally pointed in the same direction.

The idea of paying a premium to commute in to the office is functionally the same as paying a discounted salary to WFH'ers. If people consider WFH a desirable benefit, that would be a perk that many workers would negotiate instead of additional pay, much like PTO.
 
2022-11-29 12:48:54 PM  

cryinoutloud: Yeah, this "wellbeing".

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Look at you! You're so special, you cost more money every year to retain your 'wellness.'  And that's after you extorted your employers so that you never have to leave the house again.

How much does it cost to keep your wellness going?  Well, paycheck of course, then there's all those bennies, like corporate wellness (goddamn I'd hate to catch that), and then there's the crushing burden of what you do for work, which is pave over wetlands, basically.  Then there's all your consumer spending, which has just expanded again, due to inflation, your saved money due to remote working, and all the new stuff you bought for your Home Office, because of course you had to.  Now you can travel a lot more too, and since you were just out here in my town, you were thinking that  a little gentrification would do us good, since we're too farking stupid to capitalize on anything.  Not like YOU.

That seems like a really high price for the earth to pay for your minimal "wellness."  And it costs more every year.
I don't know, I'm not smart like you guys, but I'd think that you cost a  lot  more to keep than you're worth.  It's only because you and your place of business  use that propaganda tool, economics, to inflate your value considerably, that you have any value at all. As an American, you pretty suck everything out of the world, not put anything of value into it.
You're good at garbage though.  I believe we win that one again--should I look it up?  You know better. We won that one too. We make more garbage than anyone. that's a sign of how focused we are on our "wellbeing."  Well, your own wellbeing. Who gives a fark about the rest of it?

You should learn how to do real math better.  Not just the math that makes you feel better inside your head while you go shopping to celebrate how much more you can suck  than that prole over there.

But what you believe is really, really bad for MY well-being, as well as billions of people you think about even less than me.


Sir, this is an Arby's...
 
2022-11-29 1:00:40 PM  

bighairyguy: I started a new job in March 2020.  I was in the office two days and then they went to maximum telework.  I haven't been in the office since then.  My savings just for gas and tolls is about $10,000, not counting the 2-3 hours per day of commute time and overhead time to get ready for work every day.  I converted the travel time to exercise time and finally lost all that weight I'd been threatening to lose for so many years.  Most of what I do is heads-down computer work so Teams meetings can easily handle any collaboration that's needed.  No talk of my team returning to the office.

As far as bothersome cats go, I set up a soft blanket on my worktable for him.  He's close enough so he thinks he's bothering me without actually bothering me.  (Exception: When I'm trying to eat.)  The other three cats only want attention occasionally.

And my sweatpants are awesome!


$10,000/$3 (2020 was cheap gas, 2021 and 2022 mostly expensive gas, so I split the difference) = 3,333 gallons of gas.  The average car gets about 30 mpg, so... that implies you would've traveled 100,000 miles for work?!

I realize you said tolls too but unless tolls made up a LARGE chunk of that, that's a mega fark load of driving.  That's not even including any other driving you do on a daily basis either.  You really would've put 100,000 miles on your car in less than THREE YEARS?  WTF?

It really horrifies me when people say stuff like this as you're far from the only person (I see even more insane things in EV threads all the time).  Are you really commuting that freaking far or are you lying?
 
2022-11-29 1:02:59 PM  
I realize you said tolls too but unless tolls made up a LARGE chunk of that, that's a mega fark load of driving.  That's not even including any other driving you do on a daily basis either.  You really would've put 100,000 miles on your car in less than THREE YEARS?  WTF?

Aren't some bridge and tunnel tolls more than $15 each way on the east coast?
 
2022-11-29 1:14:12 PM  
I think the IRS mileage rate is a decent approximation of fully-loaded commuting costs. Fuel is a big part, but insurance, maintenance, repairs, and depreciation are all important to consider. For 2022, that's 62.5 cents per mile, or 16,000 miles to reach $10k.
 
2022-11-29 1:19:59 PM  

OccamsWhiskers: I think the IRS mileage rate is a decent approximation of fully-loaded commuting costs. Fuel is a big part, but insurance, maintenance, repairs, and depreciation are all important to consider. For 2022, that's 62.5 cents per mile, or 16,000 miles to reach $10k.


Tolls are what kills you. In California the toll road rates change based on traffic, so you pay a LOT more during peak hours. It might be $4 off peak, but $25+ at the wrong time.  I sit in traffic and watch my betters speed by at 80 MPH like the rest of the poors.
 
2022-11-29 1:56:53 PM  

jake3988: bighairyguy: I started a new job in March 2020.  I was in the office two days and then they went to maximum telework.  I haven't been in the office since then.  My savings just for gas and tolls is about $10,000, not counting the 2-3 hours per day of commute time and overhead time to get ready for work every day.  I converted the travel time to exercise time and finally lost all that weight I'd been threatening to lose for so many years.  Most of what I do is heads-down computer work so Teams meetings can easily handle any collaboration that's needed.  No talk of my team returning to the office.

As far as bothersome cats go, I set up a soft blanket on my worktable for him.  He's close enough so he thinks he's bothering me without actually bothering me.  (Exception: When I'm trying to eat.)  The other three cats only want attention occasionally.

And my sweatpants are awesome!

$10,000/$3 (2020 was cheap gas, 2021 and 2022 mostly expensive gas, so I split the difference) = 3,333 gallons of gas.  The average car gets about 30 mpg, so... that implies you would've traveled 100,000 miles for work?!

I realize you said tolls too but unless tolls made up a LARGE chunk of that, that's a mega fark load of driving.  That's not even including any other driving you do on a daily basis either.  You really would've put 100,000 miles on your car in less than THREE YEARS?  WTF?

It really horrifies me when people say stuff like this as you're far from the only person (I see even more insane things in EV threads all the time).  Are you really commuting that freaking far or are you lying?


Gas
Commute daily round trip: 75 miles
Gas mileage: 25 mpg
Gallons per month: (75/25) x 22 work days per month = 66
Months worked from home: 30
Gallons of gas for commuting: 65 x 30 = 1950 gallons
Average gas cost over 30 months: $3 per gallon
Gas total: 1950 gallons x $3 per gallon = $5850

Tolls
Toll Road $4.75 each way = $9.50 per day
Toll cost per month = $9.50 x 22 work days per month = $209
Months worked from home: 30
Tolls total: $209 x 30 = $6270

Combined Estimate Cost of Gas and Tolls
$5850 + $6270 = $12,120

Analysis of Original Claim
Original estimated savings from gas and tolls = "about $10,000"
Actual computed savings from gas and tolls = about $12,000
Variance: Savings underestimated by 20%

Analysis of Challenge
Gas mileage over stated by 20%
Total gallons overstated by 70%
Gross underestimate of toll cost
Average gas price used is accurate
Based on gross assumption errors, results are invalid
Based on gross assumption errors and self righteousness, attitude is unwarranted
 
2022-11-29 2:39:56 PM  

cryinoutloud: Yeah, this "wellbeing".

[Fark user image image 494x259]

Look at you! You're so special, you cost more money every year to retain your 'wellness.'  And that's after you extorted your employers so that you never have to leave the house again.

How much does it cost to keep your wellness going?  Well, paycheck of course, then there's all those bennies, like corporate wellness (goddamn I'd hate to catch that), and then there's the crushing burden of what you do for work, which is pave over wetlands, basically.  Then there's all your consumer spending, which has just expanded again, due to inflation, your saved money due to remote working, and all the new stuff you bought for your Home Office, because of course you had to.  Now you can travel a lot more too, and since you were just out here in my town, you were thinking that  a little gentrification would do us good, since we're too farking stupid to capitalize on anything.  Not like YOU.

That seems like a really high price for the earth to pay for your minimal "wellness."  And it costs more every year.
I don't know, I'm not smart like you guys, but I'd think that you cost a  lot  more to keep than you're worth.  It's only because you and your place of business  use that propaganda tool, economics, to inflate your value considerably, that you have any value at all. As an American, you pretty suck everything out of the world, not put anything of value into it.
You're good at garbage though.  I believe we win that one again--should I look it up?  You know better. We won that one too. We make more garbage than anyone. that's a sign of how focused we are on our "wellbeing."  Well, your own wellbeing. Who gives a fark about the rest of it?

You should learn how to do real math better.  Not just the math that makes you feel better inside your head while you go shopping to celebrate how much more you can suck  than that prole over there.

But what you believe is really, really bad for MY well-being, as well as billions of people you think about even less than me.


No, I don't think about any of them as less than you
 
2022-11-29 2:43:33 PM  
First week of working from home at a now former job.

We're in video training and my cat jumps onto my lap. The trainer says something nice, I tell her my cat's name and then put her down on the floor. A few minutes later the trainer's cat jumps on her desk, she introduces the cat and then puts her down.

The next day we get a furious ALL COMPANY email from some high level asshole about people being distracted by their pets and making stupid assed threats about it.

Probably part of the reason that I didn't get hired (I was on contract-to-hire at that point) was that I pointed out to my direct management how incredibly stupid, counter-productive and assholish that email was.
 
2022-11-29 3:03:58 PM  
I did reclaim a lot of time. Now it's being lost again to daily "department" meetings. "What did you work on yesterday"  "What are you working on today", combined with 3 weekly "team" meetings: "What did you work on yesterday"  "What are you working on today", combined with weekly 1-on-1 meetings with my manager: "What did you work on yesterday"  "What are you working on today". On one day, I literally have 3 meetings with the same people, to cover what I'm doing, minute by minute. On top of already logging every minute of work done in Jira. I don't work in a 100 person department. It's a dozen programmers that are all siloed--we don't share any work units, at all. No collaboration. But we need multiple daily updates. I've been working at the company for 22 years. In a department of a dozen people, I now have 3 people I report my status to. Daily. Manager, project manager, department VP.
 
2022-11-29 3:36:21 PM  
OP, I did NOT give you permission to access my web cam.

I demand a recount!
 
2022-11-29 4:55:00 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: First week of working from home at a now former job.

We're in video training and my cat jumps onto my lap. The trainer says something nice, I tell her my cat's name and then put her down on the floor. A few minutes later the trainer's cat jumps on her desk, she introduces the cat and then puts her down.

The next day we get a furious ALL COMPANY email from some high level asshole about people being distracted by their pets and making stupid assed threats about it.

Probably part of the reason that I didn't get hired (I was on contract-to-hire at that point) was that I pointed out to my direct management how incredibly stupid, counter-productive and assholish that email was.


My soon to be boss introduced me to her cat on a call. I can't believe it was an issue for you, best wishes.
 
2022-11-29 5:11:09 PM  

RobotSpider: I did reclaim a lot of time. Now it's being lost again to daily "department" meetings. "What did you work on yesterday"  "What are you working on today", combined with 3 weekly "team" meetings: "What did you work on yesterday"  "What are you working on today", combined with weekly 1-on-1 meetings with my manager: "What did you work on yesterday"  "What are you working on today". On one day, I literally have 3 meetings with the same people, to cover what I'm doing, minute by minute. On top of already logging every minute of work done in Jira. I don't work in a 100 person department. It's a dozen programmers that are all siloed--we don't share any work units, at all. No collaboration. But we need multiple daily updates. I've been working at the company for 22 years. In a department of a dozen people, I now have 3 people I report my status to. Daily. Manager, project manager, department VP.


Office Space Clip - 8 Different Bosses
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On a serious note, I've been there. I hate daily standups
 
2022-11-29 6:08:28 PM  
Prior to moving, my wife spent 2.5-3.5 hours a day on the road, filled the Kai's tank 9-10 times a month. So, we moved. New commute: five miles/15 minutes each way.

Went on WFH six weeks later...

/Prior house would not have supported her encrypted VPN.
//Nicer house, better neighborhood, less traffic.
///No cats though, just dogs.
 
2022-11-29 6:43:05 PM  

snowjack: Preach. I feed her just before bedtime, so she's not hungry. She starts meowing the song of her people at about 5:45am, for no damn reason other than she wants attention.


I love my Nutmeg but she does that too. It'd be adorable if it didn't wake me up.
 
2022-11-29 7:20:58 PM  

OhioUGrad: If middle managers and businesses want to try and justify stupid positions by micromanaging people in the office, or justify their overvalued empty office building instead of selling it off, then they need to start paying people for their commute time.

Also, if people are getting their work done without questions and it is still quality then shut the fark up that people have a better work/life balance and are happier and have better mental health.


But that decreases their own happiness because happiness is a zero sum game.
 
2022-11-29 7:22:05 PM  

espiaboricua: Our cats are broken, then, because I work-from-home from the dining room table and they leave me alone.

Now, when Mrs. EspiaBoricua gets home.. oh, they pay LOTS OF ATTENTION TO HER!!!

She's prettier so I understand the cats' behavior.


It's probably because they don't like your smell.
 
2022-11-30 12:55:48 AM  

cryinoutloud: "The rise in leisure was particularly pronounced among younger Americans, who reported spending more time at social events, eating at restaurants or bars, and exercising," according to the researchers.

But of course you did, you little buggers!  You don't know to do anything else but be waited on.  You could DO one of those jobs, but WHAT DID YOU SAY?  No.  You don't do those jobs.  You do some other perfectly pointless job that helps create more service jobs--ones that you don't do, and are above, thanks to all those marketing jobs.  you count. Your team introduced the world to the Ant Pile Margarita, and it went viral in 35 countries, as well as having a tie-in with the Chilean  soccer team that made you another $20,000 for like, nothing.  You don't even know.

Somebody should wait on you, now.


We get it: you're bitter. Give it a rest.
 
2022-11-30 1:22:59 AM  

bighairyguy: I started a new job in March 2020.  I was in the office two days and then they went to maximum telework.  I haven't been in the office since then.  My savings just for gas and tolls is about $10,000, not counting the 2-3 hours per day of commute time and overhead time to get ready for work every day.  I converted the travel time to exercise time and finally lost all that weight I'd been threatening to lose for so many years.  Most of what I do is heads-down computer work so Teams meetings can easily handle any collaboration that's needed.  No talk of my team returning to the office.

As far as bothersome cats go, I set up a soft blanket on my worktable for him.  He's close enough so he thinks he's bothering me without actually bothering me.  (Exception: When I'm trying to eat.)  The other three cats only want attention occasionally.

And my sweatpants are awesome!


I'm really happy for you, but what you've basically proven over the past two years is that your job could be done by someone in Indonesia for 1/3 the cost.

Employers will eventually catch on and then positions that can be done fully remote will certainly not stay in "high cost" markets.
 
2022-11-30 1:41:00 AM  

jake3988: bighairyguy: I started a new job in March 2020.  I was in the office two days and then they went to maximum telework.  I haven't been in the office since then.  My savings just for gas and tolls is about $10,000, not counting the 2-3 hours per day of commute time and overhead time to get ready for work every day.  I converted the travel time to exercise time and finally lost all that weight I'd been threatening to lose for so many years.  Most of what I do is heads-down computer work so Teams meetings can easily handle any collaboration that's needed.  No talk of my team returning to the office.

As far as bothersome cats go, I set up a soft blanket on my worktable for him.  He's close enough so he thinks he's bothering me without actually bothering me.  (Exception: When I'm trying to eat.)  The other three cats only want attention occasionally.

And my sweatpants are awesome!

$10,000/$3 (2020 was cheap gas, 2021 and 2022 mostly expensive gas, so I split the difference) = 3,333 gallons of gas.  The average car gets about 30 mpg, so... that implies you would've traveled 100,000 miles for work?!

I realize you said tolls too but unless tolls made up a LARGE chunk of that, that's a mega fark load of driving.  That's not even including any other driving you do on a daily basis either.  You really would've put 100,000 miles on your car in less than THREE YEARS?  WTF?

It really horrifies me when people say stuff like this as you're far from the only person (I see even more insane things in EV threads all the time).  Are you really commuting that freaking far or are you lying?


30000mi/yr = 100mi/day at 300 days worked a year, if we go for approximate numbers. 50mi each way.

Yes, there are a LOT of people who were/are expected to work in downtown of big cities who are not paid enough to live less than an hour's commute, or more, away from said cities.

My dad was one of them... Lived in Santa Clarita and worked there until work moved from the northern SCV all the way to south LA. I never saw him mornings, even when I had an 8 am class in high school, because he left at 6:30 to beat most of rush hour and rarely got back before 6-7 at night. Only got paid for 8 of those 12 hours.
 
2022-11-30 1:47:11 AM  

jake3988: bighairyguy: I started a new job in March 2020.  I was in the office two days and then they went to maximum telework.  I haven't been in the office since then.  My savings just for gas and tolls is about $10,000, not counting the 2-3 hours per day of commute time and overhead time to get ready for work every day.  I converted the travel time to exercise time and finally lost all that weight I'd been threatening to lose for so many years.  Most of what I do is heads-down computer work so Teams meetings can easily handle any collaboration that's needed.  No talk of my team returning to the office.

As far as bothersome cats go, I set up a soft blanket on my worktable for him.  He's close enough so he thinks he's bothering me without actually bothering me.  (Exception: When I'm trying to eat.)  The other three cats only want attention occasionally.

And my sweatpants are awesome!

$10,000/$3 (2020 was cheap gas, 2021 and 2022 mostly expensive gas, so I split the difference) = 3,333 gallons of gas.  The average car gets about 30 mpg, so... that implies you would've traveled 100,000 miles for work?!

I realize you said tolls too but unless tolls made up a LARGE chunk of that, that's a mega fark load of driving.  That's not even including any other driving you do on a daily basis either.  You really would've put 100,000 miles on your car in less than THREE YEARS?  WTF?

It really horrifies me when people say stuff like this as you're far from the only person (I see even more insane things in EV threads all the time).  Are you really commuting that freaking far or are you lying?


miles per gallon takes a nose dive in bumper to bumper traffic, which a large percentage of commuters had to deal with pre-pandemic.
 
2022-11-30 3:12:55 AM  

erik-k: jake3988: bighairyguy: I started a new job in March 2020.  I was in the office two days and then they went to maximum telework.  I haven't been in the office since then.  My savings just for gas and tolls is about $10,000, not counting the 2-3 hours per day of commute time and overhead time to get ready for work every day.  I converted the travel time to exercise time and finally lost all that weight I'd been threatening to lose for so many years.  Most of what I do is heads-down computer work so Teams meetings can easily handle any collaboration that's needed.  No talk of my team returning to the office.

As far as bothersome cats go, I set up a soft blanket on my worktable for him.  He's close enough so he thinks he's bothering me without actually bothering me.  (Exception: When I'm trying to eat.)  The other three cats only want attention occasionally.

And my sweatpants are awesome!

$10,000/$3 (2020 was cheap gas, 2021 and 2022 mostly expensive gas, so I split the difference) = 3,333 gallons of gas.  The average car gets about 30 mpg, so... that implies you would've traveled 100,000 miles for work?!

I realize you said tolls too but unless tolls made up a LARGE chunk of that, that's a mega fark load of driving.  That's not even including any other driving you do on a daily basis either.  You really would've put 100,000 miles on your car in less than THREE YEARS?  WTF?

It really horrifies me when people say stuff like this as you're far from the only person (I see even more insane things in EV threads all the time).  Are you really commuting that freaking far or are you lying?

30000mi/yr = 100mi/day at 300 days worked a year, if we go for approximate numbers. 50mi each way.

Yes, there are a LOT of people who were/are expected to work in downtown of big cities who are not paid enough to live less than an hour's commute, or more, away from said cities.

My dad was one of them... Lived in Santa Clarita and worked there until work moved from the northern SCV all the way to south LA. I never saw him mornings, even when I had an 8 am class in high school, because he left at 6:30 to beat most of rush hour and rarely got back before 6-7 at night. Only got paid for 8 of those 12 hours.


I once had a six month contract job in Columbia SC but I lived in Charlotte NC, 80 miles away, so 800 miles a week and monthly oil changes.  It hurt when gas jumped 20¢ to a whopping $1.45 a gallon.  The drive itself wasn't bad as 78 of the 80 miles were interstate in the middle of nowhere, not counting the occasional truck crash.  Time wise, I've had much shorter commutes that took longer.  Looking at you DC traffic.
 
2022-11-30 3:19:41 AM  

digmar: bighairyguy: I started a new job in March 2020.  I was in the office two days and then they went to maximum telework.  I haven't been in the office since then.  My savings just for gas and tolls is about $10,000, not counting the 2-3 hours per day of commute time and overhead time to get ready for work every day.  I converted the travel time to exercise time and finally lost all that weight I'd been threatening to lose for so many years.  Most of what I do is heads-down computer work so Teams meetings can easily handle any collaboration that's needed.  No talk of my team returning to the office.

As far as bothersome cats go, I set up a soft blanket on my worktable for him.  He's close enough so he thinks he's bothering me without actually bothering me.  (Exception: When I'm trying to eat.)  The other three cats only want attention occasionally.

And my sweatpants are awesome!

I'm really happy for you, but what you've basically proven over the past two years is that your job could be done by someone in Indonesia for 1/3 the cost.

Employers will eventually catch on and then positions that can be done fully remote will certainly not stay in "high cost" markets.


A lot of companies have tried that and regretted it.  In my case, the government agency I work for requires a clearance level that frowns on foreign nationals so outsourcing is not something I lose sleep over.
 
2022-11-30 5:48:50 AM  

digmar: bighairyguy: I started a new job in March 2020.  I was in the office two days and then they went to maximum telework.  I haven't been in the office since then.  My savings just for gas and tolls is about $10,000, not counting the 2-3 hours per day of commute time and overhead time to get ready for work every day.  I converted the travel time to exercise time and finally lost all that weight I'd been threatening to lose for so many years.  Most of what I do is heads-down computer work so Teams meetings can easily handle any collaboration that's needed.  No talk of my team returning to the office.

As far as bothersome cats go, I set up a soft blanket on my worktable for him.  He's close enough so he thinks he's bothering me without actually bothering me.  (Exception: When I'm trying to eat.)  The other three cats only want attention occasionally.

And my sweatpants are awesome!

I'm really happy for you, but what you've basically proven over the past two years is that your job could be done by someone in Indonesia for 1/3 the cost.

Employers will eventually catch on and then positions that can be done fully remote will certainly not stay in "high cost" markets.


Ask tech companies how well offshoring worked and what happened to code quality and how much money they "saved" when they eventually had to re-hire most of the coders they fired to re-write the messes that were eventually delivered...
 
2022-11-30 9:49:43 AM  

digmar: bighairyguy: I started a new job in March 2020.  I was in the office two days and then they went to maximum telework.  I haven't been in the office since then.  My savings just for gas and tolls is about $10,000, not counting the 2-3 hours per day of commute time and overhead time to get ready for work every day.  I converted the travel time to exercise time and finally lost all that weight I'd been threatening to lose for so many years.  Most of what I do is heads-down computer work so Teams meetings can easily handle any collaboration that's needed.  No talk of my team returning to the office.

As far as bothersome cats go, I set up a soft blanket on my worktable for him.  He's close enough so he thinks he's bothering me without actually bothering me.  (Exception: When I'm trying to eat.)  The other three cats only want attention occasionally.

And my sweatpants are awesome!

I'm really happy for you, but what you've basically proven over the past two years is that your job could be done by someone in Indonesia for 1/3 the cost.

Employers will eventually catch on and then positions that can be done fully remote will certainly not stay in "high cost" markets.


Until you factor in data privacy regulations that require rock solid compliance with that various international, federal,and state laws and a pattern of development environments being nothing more than an outdated copy of prod, and that offshore model gets a bit tricky.
 
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