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(Doctor Who TV)   Showrunner Russell T. Davies is pushing ahead with plans to expand "Doctor Who" with Marvel-style spin offs that focus on enemies including the Cybermen and Daleks. Don't you think he looks tired?   (doctorwhotv.co.uk) divider line
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2022-11-29 8:58:49 AM  
Just don't bring back the farting aliens from the first season.
 
2022-11-29 9:21:48 AM  
I liked Torchwood
 
2022-11-29 9:22:43 AM  
On a serious note, how do you make one-note enemies that are just pure evil remotely interesting as protagonists? There's no moral complexity in or empathy for their situations at all.

On the other hand, there are many bad guys that serve as effective and interesting protagonists.* I'm sure we can all name many.

* Ferris Bueller
 
2022-11-29 9:23:19 AM  
Why stupid? Everything is a content mill now.

Even if people are hate watching, they're watching.
 
2022-11-29 9:25:01 AM  
Days of the Daleks, Episode 3: ExTeRmInAtE!!!

Dalek 1: "DiD YoU ExTeRmInAte ThEm!!!!!?"
Dalek 2: "I ExTeRmInAtEd ThEm All!
Dalek 1: "We MuSt ExTeRmInAtE More!!!!! EXTERMINATE!!!!! EXTERMINATE!!!!
Dalek 2: "EXTERMINATE!!!!!"

Compelling television.
 
2022-11-29 9:33:45 AM  

bostonguy: On a serious note, how do you make one-note enemies that are just pure evil remotely interesting as protagonists? There's no moral complexity in or empathy for their situations at all.

On the other hand, there are many bad guys that serve as effective and interesting protagonists.* I'm sure we can all name many.

* Ferris Bueller


Focus on the Master/Missy - my ex certainly did
 
2022-11-29 9:50:13 AM  
The problem with the Dr. Who universe outside the main show is The Doctor.
He's been shown as basically an unstoppable force when he puts his mind to something, to the point where he just informs people who he is and they retreat (Forest of the Dead, The Eleventh Hour, etc.).

Every episode involving traditional enemies would have to explain why the Doctor isn't stopping them, or they just waiting for them to arrive and stop them. Which was my problem with the concept for Torchwood. If not addressed you're going to have to ask, "why isn't the Doctor fixing this?".

/I know the Doctor can't be everywhere all the time (literally) but any sufficiently big threat would draw their attention surely.
 
2022-11-29 9:50:19 AM  

bostonguy: On a serious note, how do you make one-note enemies that are just pure evil remotely interesting as protagonists? There's no moral complexity in or empathy for their situations at all.

On the other hand, there are many bad guys that serve as effective and interesting protagonists.* I'm sure we can all name many.

* Ferris Bueller


One of the best Dr Who episodes (followed swiftly but one of the worst episodes) was one where the Doctor tries to get a Dalek to redeem a Dalek and understand them, to get them to perceive beauty and peace, and the Dalek promptly finds the Hate the Doctor himself holds for Daleks to be the most beautiful thing it has ever witnessed in and of itself.
 
2022-11-29 9:51:46 AM  
Great. More Weeping Angels. GREAT.

Amazingly intriguing the first time, utter ass every time after.
 
2022-11-29 9:52:46 AM  
Weeping angels were a great one time concept that has since been run into the ground.

As for the Cyberman and Daleks, Who has already covered all the possible interesting stories with those two ad nauseum.

Sontarans? Only if Drax finally gets to defeat his mortal enemy, the moon.
 
2022-11-29 9:57:18 AM  

Ostman: The problem with the Dr. Who universe outside the main show is The Doctor.
He's been shown as basically an unstoppable force when he puts his mind to something, to the point where he just informs people who he is and they retreat (Forest of the Dead, The Eleventh Hour, etc.).

Every episode involving traditional enemies would have to explain why the Doctor isn't stopping them, or they just waiting for them to arrive and stop them. Which was my problem with the concept for Torchwood. If not addressed you're going to have to ask, "why isn't the Doctor fixing this?".

/I know the Doctor can't be everywhere all the time (literally) but any sufficiently big threat would draw their attention surely.


The TARDIS is the one really in control of where the Doctor goes, and she sends the Doctor where they are needed. If the Torchwood crew is capable of handling the problem, the Doctor isn't needed.
 
2022-11-29 10:00:15 AM  

WonderDave1: I liked Torchwood


Same here, I wouldn't mind something like that. Maybe a show centered on UNIT?
 
2022-11-29 10:24:56 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: Ostman: The problem with the Dr. Who universe outside the main show is The Doctor.
He's been shown as basically an unstoppable force when he puts his mind to something, to the point where he just informs people who he is and they retreat (Forest of the Dead, The Eleventh Hour, etc.).

Every episode involving traditional enemies would have to explain why the Doctor isn't stopping them, or they just waiting for them to arrive and stop them. Which was my problem with the concept for Torchwood. If not addressed you're going to have to ask, "why isn't the Doctor fixing this?".

/I know the Doctor can't be everywhere all the time (literally) but any sufficiently big threat would draw their attention surely.

The TARDIS is the one really in control of where the Doctor goes, and she sends the Doctor where they are needed. If the Torchwood crew is capable of handling the problem, the Doctor isn't needed.


Wait... The TARDIS is sentient? And Omnipresent?

That is some BS.
 
2022-11-29 10:37:37 AM  
I have zero interest in any of that. Cybermen, Daleks, and the weeping angles have been over used to death already. Now if you want to bring back Vastra, Jenny, and Strax in their own series, I'd be all over that. Another good idea would be River Song and all the shiat she got up to when the Doctor wasn't around. You know she would have some stories to tell.
 
2022-11-29 10:40:10 AM  

Quantumbunny: Copperbelly watersnake: Ostman: The problem with the Dr. Who universe outside the main show is The Doctor.
He's been shown as basically an unstoppable force when he puts his mind to something, to the point where he just informs people who he is and they retreat (Forest of the Dead, The Eleventh Hour, etc.).

Every episode involving traditional enemies would have to explain why the Doctor isn't stopping them, or they just waiting for them to arrive and stop them. Which was my problem with the concept for Torchwood. If not addressed you're going to have to ask, "why isn't the Doctor fixing this?".

/I know the Doctor can't be everywhere all the time (literally) but any sufficiently big threat would draw their attention surely.

The TARDIS is the one really in control of where the Doctor goes, and she sends the Doctor where they are needed. If the Torchwood crew is capable of handling the problem, the Doctor isn't needed.

Wait... The TARDIS is sentient? And Omnipresent?

That is some BS.


Have you not seen The Doctor's Wife episode?
 
2022-11-29 10:41:24 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Another good idea would be River Song and all the shiat she got up to when the Doctor wasn't around. You know she would have some stories to tell.


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2022-11-29 10:44:55 AM  
One thing I hate about NuWho is the overuse of Daleks and Cybermen. Every year they have to appear more than once.
 
2022-11-29 11:00:22 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: Ostman: The problem with the Dr. Who universe outside the main show is The Doctor.
He's been shown as basically an unstoppable force when he puts his mind to something, to the point where he just informs people who he is and they retreat (Forest of the Dead, The Eleventh Hour, etc.).

Every episode involving traditional enemies would have to explain why the Doctor isn't stopping them, or they just waiting for them to arrive and stop them. Which was my problem with the concept for Torchwood. If not addressed you're going to have to ask, "why isn't the Doctor fixing this?".

/I know the Doctor can't be everywhere all the time (literally) but any sufficiently big threat would draw their attention surely.

The TARDIS is the one really in control of where the Doctor goes, and she sends the Doctor where they are needed. If the Torchwood crew is capable of handling the problem, the Doctor isn't needed.


I saw the Doctors' Wife too, but Doctor also has agency in where the TARDIS goes sometimes. And if the TARDIS is deciding that it's OK for some people to die (Owen, Ianto, etc.) so the Doctor doesn't have to be bothered for an afternoon that's raising its own weird questions.

I just think it's an inbuilt weakness of the setting, and they can handwave it however they want but it stands out like a sore thumb. In my opinion anyway, a lot of people have the ability to buy into this that I obviously lack, and am probably missing out on some good TV because of it.
 
2022-11-29 11:01:17 AM  
This isn't as bad as it sounds on the surface. The old Doctor Who Magazine comic strips had a lot of great stories focused on the villains. Of course it helps when you have Alan Moore writing them.

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For the Dalek spin-off maybe they could introduce the live action version of this guy as their antagonist.

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2022-11-29 11:16:25 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Why stupid? Everything is a content mill now.

Even if people are hate watching, they're watching.


... Now? Have you been asleep the past few decades?
 
2022-11-29 11:19:57 AM  

stationalpha5: Great. More Weeping Angels. GREAT.

Amazingly intriguing the first time, utter ass every time after.


See, that's just it, we're always seeing the weeping angels from the Doctor's perspective! It's time to embrace this opportunity for diversity and let these beings be seen as more than just creepy statues, so I propose a 5 season run where we see the intricacies of weeping angel daily life. 

All you have to do is just not watch the screen :)
 
2022-11-29 11:20:36 AM  
Nothing like shitting on someone for having an idea; nothing on film, nothing written, nothing produced, just an idea. Good gods fandoms are fucking insufferable.

Hate RTD? Replace with Moffat
Hate Moffat? Replace with Chibnall
Hate Chibnall? Replace with RTD
RTD has an idea? Hate RTD.
 
2022-11-29 11:23:48 AM  

stationalpha5: Great. More Weeping Angels. GREAT.

Amazingly intriguing the first time, utter ass every time after.


No... not true. Season 13 Village of the Angels is really good, honestly the best use of them since Blink.
 
2022-11-29 11:45:33 AM  

Aezetyr: Nothing like shiatting on someone for having an idea; nothing on film, nothing written, nothing produced, just an idea. Good gods fandoms are farking insufferable.

Hate RTD? Replace with Moffat
Hate Moffat? Replace with Chibnall
Hate Chibnall? Replace with RTD
RTD has an idea? Hate RTD.


Not a single person has said anything about him until you. So, please, ffs, ease up on your pearls... you're crushing them. 

farking knee-jerk reactionaries who insert their own fantasy narrative about who/what people are complaining about are more annoying than any fandom, and that's saying something.
 
2022-11-29 12:29:43 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Why stupid? Everything is a content mill now.

Even if people are hate watching, they're watching.


Yeah, now.  Those variety shows of the 50s-80s were nothing like 'content mills' at all.

Quantumbunny: Copperbelly watersnake: Ostman: The problem with the Dr. Who universe outside the main show is The Doctor.
He's been shown as basically an unstoppable force when he puts his mind to something, to the point where he just informs people who he is and they retreat (Forest of the Dead, The Eleventh Hour, etc.).

Every episode involving traditional enemies would have to explain why the Doctor isn't stopping them, or they just waiting for them to arrive and stop them. Which was my problem with the concept for Torchwood. If not addressed you're going to have to ask, "why isn't the Doctor fixing this?".

/I know the Doctor can't be everywhere all the time (literally) but any sufficiently big threat would draw their attention surely.

The TARDIS is the one really in control of where the Doctor goes, and she sends the Doctor where they are needed. If the Torchwood crew is capable of handling the problem, the Doctor isn't needed.

Wait... The TARDIS is sentient? And Omnipresent?

That is some BS.


Has tits, too.
 
2022-11-29 12:49:03 PM  
There isnt really too much he can do with the Daleks because of how prominent they have been in the show. There is a lot to be done with other species, galactic or universal events, or things like that.
 
2022-11-29 1:18:32 PM  
John Hart and Capt. Jack: Time Agents
 
2022-11-29 1:43:48 PM  
Daleks and Cybermen have a similar origin where a mad scientist convinces their government to convert its people for reasons into cyborgs without autonomy. Cybermen assimilate or delete. Daleks exterminate.Any real story is the before times of the Kaleds or the Mondasians. Though those stories have a foregone conclusion.
In a way Daleks aren't cyborgs but mutated blobs in mech suits.
 
2022-11-29 2:57:26 PM  

Quantumbunny: Copperbelly watersnake: Ostman: The problem with the Dr. Who universe outside the main show is The Doctor.
He's been shown as basically an unstoppable force when he puts his mind to something, to the point where he just informs people who he is and they retreat (Forest of the Dead, The Eleventh Hour, etc.).

Every episode involving traditional enemies would have to explain why the Doctor isn't stopping them, or they just waiting for them to arrive and stop them. Which was my problem with the concept for Torchwood. If not addressed you're going to have to ask, "why isn't the Doctor fixing this?".

/I know the Doctor can't be everywhere all the time (literally) but any sufficiently big threat would draw their attention surely.

The TARDIS is the one really in control of where the Doctor goes, and she sends the Doctor where they are needed. If the Torchwood crew is capable of handling the problem, the Doctor isn't needed.

Wait... The TARDIS is sentient? And Omnipresent?

That is some BS.


Yes. I don't know if you have read any of Banks' "Culture" books, but , in that universe , there are Minds. Vastly smarter than humans and ai. They are in control of ships , orbitals , planets ....
The Tardis is kind of like that. She is a living being.
 
2022-11-29 4:52:51 PM  

ReapTheChaos: I have zero interest in any of that. Cybermen, Daleks, and the weeping angles have been over used to death already. Now if you want to bring back Vastra, Jenny, and Strax in their own series, I'd be all over that. Another good idea would be River Song and all the shiat she got up to when the Doctor wasn't around. You know she would have some stories to tell.


All of this.
 
2022-11-29 5:05:57 PM  

WonderDave1: I liked Torchwood


couldn't make it past a supposedly american guy saying eeee-strogen
 
2022-11-29 5:15:12 PM  

bostonguy: On a serious note, how do you make one-note enemies that are just pure evil remotely interesting as protagonists? There's no moral complexity in or empathy for their situations at all.

On the other hand, there are many bad guys that serve as effective and interesting protagonists.* I'm sure we can all name many.

* Ferris Bueller


Show how other people dealt with them through time without help from the doctor.    They are just the antagonist of the story.
 
2022-11-29 5:47:49 PM  
Sarah Jane Adventures was aimed at a slightly lower age bracket but quite fun to watch.  Torchwood was aimed higher but I wasn't one of its fans.

Anyway, spin-offs are a decent way to try something different while the original stays the course.

However, the classic villains need to have long rests between appearances.  The Doctor says, 'universe' a lot but generally speaking the show has stayed within the local galactic cluster... from the Big Bang to the end of life in the universe.  That's trillions of years and Bob knows how many cubic light years.  So the Daleks spend a few million years taking over an entire galaxy repeatedly... OK, what about the other 99.999999999% of creation?
 
2022-11-29 5:48:54 PM  

AdrienVeidt: HotWingConspiracy: Why stupid? Everything is a content mill now.

Even if people are hate watching, they're watching.

Yeah, now.  Those variety shows of the 50s-80s were nothing like 'content mills' at all.Quantumbunny: Copperbelly watersnake: Ostman: The problem with the Dr. Who universe outside the main show is The Doctor.
He's been shown as basically an unstoppable force when he puts his mind to something, to the point where he just informs people who he is and they retreat (Forest of the Dead, The Eleventh Hour, etc.).

Every episode involving traditional enemies would have to explain why the Doctor isn't stopping them, or they just waiting for them to arrive and stop them. Which was my problem with the concept for Torchwood. If not addressed you're going to have to ask, "why isn't the Doctor fixing this?".

/I know the Doctor can't be everywhere all the time (literally) but any sufficiently big threat would draw their attention surely.

The TARDIS is the one really in control of where the Doctor goes, and she sends the Doctor where they are needed. If the Torchwood crew is capable of handling the problem, the Doctor isn't needed.

Wait... The TARDIS is sentient? And Omnipresent?

That is some BS.

Has tits, too.


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2022-11-29 5:51:19 PM  

Quantumbunny: The TARDIS is the one really in control of where the Doctor goes, and she sends the Doctor where they are needed. If the Torchwood crew is capable of handling the problem, the Doctor isn't needed.

Wait... The TARDIS is sentient? And Omnipresent?

That is some BS.


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2022-11-29 5:54:00 PM  

bostonguy: On a serious note, how do you make one-note enemies that are just pure evil remotely interesting as protagonists?


Check out the PoliTab.
 
2022-11-29 5:54:13 PM  

Quantumbunny: Wait... The TARDIS is sentient? And Omnipresent?

That is some BS.


Yes, it is one of the majorly farking stupid things NuWho did because the current generation of writers didn't understand the original show.  The Doctor affectionately treated his TARDIS like a woman/possession because that's how sailors spoke of their ships back in the day.  Not because it was actually an intelligent being.
 
2022-11-29 7:12:37 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Quantumbunny: Wait... The TARDIS is sentient? And Omnipresent?

That is some BS.

Yes, it is one of the majorly farking stupid things NuWho did because the current generation of writers didn't understand the original show.  The Doctor affectionately treated his TARDIS like a woman/possession because that's how sailors spoke of their ships back in the day.  Not because it was actually an intelligent being.


I'm going to assume this group of writers didn't understand either then.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Edge_of_Destruction
 
2022-11-29 7:26:58 PM  

seanpg71: Unsung_Hero: Quantumbunny: Wait... The TARDIS is sentient? And Omnipresent?

That is some BS.

Yes, it is one of the majorly farking stupid things NuWho did because the current generation of writers didn't understand the original show.  The Doctor affectionately treated his TARDIS like a woman/possession because that's how sailors spoke of their ships back in the day.  Not because it was actually an intelligent being.

I'm going to assume this group of writers didn't understand either then.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Edge_of_Destruction


There is also the cloister bell. It rings when the Tradis "knows" something very bad is going to happen.
 
2022-11-29 7:32:32 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Quantumbunny: Wait... The TARDIS is sentient? And Omnipresent?

That is some BS.

Yes, it is one of the majorly farking stupid things NuWho did because the current generation of writers didn't understand the original show.  The Doctor affectionately treated his TARDIS like a woman/possession because that's how sailors spoke of their ships back in the day.  Not because it was actually an intelligent being.


I'll let Neil Farking Gaiman know he doesn't understand Dr Who as well as a random dude on the internet does.
 
2022-11-29 7:44:15 PM  
Don't the Daleks have to appear at least once a Who season due to how the licensing works in regards to an agreement between the BBC and Terry Nation's estate?
 
2022-11-29 8:15:07 PM  

LucklessWonder: Don't the Daleks have to appear at least once a Who season due to how the licensing works in regards to an agreement between the BBC and Terry Nation's estate?


https://thedoctorwhocompanion.com/2020/07/02/faq-is-the-bbc-contractually-obliged-to-include-the-daleks-in-every-season-of-doctor-who/
 
2022-11-29 9:38:15 PM  

Quantumbunny: Copperbelly watersnake: Ostman: The problem with the Dr. Who universe outside the main show is The Doctor.
He's been shown as basically an unstoppable force when he puts his mind to something, to the point where he just informs people who he is and they retreat (Forest of the Dead, The Eleventh Hour, etc.).

Every episode involving traditional enemies would have to explain why the Doctor isn't stopping them, or they just waiting for them to arrive and stop them. Which was my problem with the concept for Torchwood. If not addressed you're going to have to ask, "why isn't the Doctor fixing this?".

/I know the Doctor can't be everywhere all the time (literally) but any sufficiently big threat would draw their attention surely.

The TARDIS is the one really in control of where the Doctor goes, and she sends the Doctor where they are needed. If the Torchwood crew is capable of handling the problem, the Doctor isn't needed.

Wait... The TARDIS is sentient? And Omnipresent?

That is some BS.


No it's not.

The TARDIS is Sexy!
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2022-11-30 12:38:30 AM  

browneye: Quantumbunny: Copperbelly watersnake: Ostman: The problem with the Dr. Who universe outside the main show is The Doctor.
He's been shown as basically an unstoppable force when he puts his mind to something, to the point where he just informs people who he is and they retreat (Forest of the Dead, The Eleventh Hour, etc.).

Every episode involving traditional enemies would have to explain why the Doctor isn't stopping them, or they just waiting for them to arrive and stop them. Which was my problem with the concept for Torchwood. If not addressed you're going to have to ask, "why isn't the Doctor fixing this?".

/I know the Doctor can't be everywhere all the time (literally) but any sufficiently big threat would draw their attention surely.

The TARDIS is the one really in control of where the Doctor goes, and she sends the Doctor where they are needed. If the Torchwood crew is capable of handling the problem, the Doctor isn't needed.

Wait... The TARDIS is sentient? And Omnipresent?

That is some BS.

No it's not.

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"She's a woman. And she's the tardis."
"Did you wish really hard?"
"Shuddup! Not like that!"
 
2022-11-30 2:09:28 AM  

bostonguy: On a serious note, how do you make one-note enemies that are just pure evil remotely interesting as protagonists? There's no moral complexity in or empathy for their situations at all.

On the other hand, there are many bad guys that serve as effective and interesting protagonists.* I'm sure we can all name many.

* Ferris Bueller


It could be like the 1960s Dalek comics. I doubt that it will be, which is a shame.

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2022-11-30 8:50:30 AM  
Man, that is some gorgeous art.
 
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