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2022-11-28 11:38:35 AM  
I have a little blog. That doesn't make me a journalist.
 
2022-11-28 12:33:23 PM  
Fuk em
He lost any high ground when he got pissy about Hillary and gave all the dem leaks to the Russians but sat on the reb ones

Plus, he's a rapist shiat
 
2022-11-28 1:51:59 PM  
Uhhhhh media.... there are publishing rights worth fighting. This ain't it.
 
2022-11-28 1:52:30 PM  

baka-san: Fuk em
He lost any high ground when he got pissy about Hillary and gave all the dem leaks to the Russians but sat on the reb ones

Plus, he's a rapist shiat


I think his defense is that is wasn't 'rape' rape. And selling out to the ruskies was just good for the brand.
 
2022-11-28 1:52:57 PM  
In other news, the Thieves Guild has publicly appealed to the king to rescind all laws outlawing theft.
 
2022-11-28 1:53:08 PM  
according to the media organisations that first helped him publish leaked diplomatic cables.

"We don't actually care what happens to Assange, we're worried about what's going to happen to us for participating in a Russian spy op."
 
2022-11-28 1:55:32 PM  
*wanking motions*
 
2022-11-28 1:56:34 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Uhhhhh media.... there are publishing rights worth fighting. This ain't it.


Ugh.... fighting for.
 
2022-11-28 1:58:35 PM  
Phoebe Buffay - Smelly Cat
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2022-11-28 1:59:29 PM  
Rooskie says what.
 
2022-11-28 1:59:43 PM  
Operating on behalf of the KSB to harm the United States is frowned upon by many Americans.
 
2022-11-28 2:00:05 PM  
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2022-11-28 2:01:32 PM  
'Publishing is not a crime':

There are rules and laws surrounding this kind of material and I will not tolerate the idea that one man can flaunt them by simply claiming ownership rights over illegally-obtained information.
 
2022-11-28 2:02:20 PM  
He should go be roomies with Snowden.
 
2022-11-28 2:03:22 PM  
Isn't he being charged with working with Chelsea Manning to steal the documents and not for publishing them?

Also...

He had spent the previous seven years living inside the diplomatic premises to avoid arrest after failing to surrender to a UK court on matters relating to a separate case.

Is that how we are referring to surprise sex now?
 
2022-11-28 2:03:27 PM  
"Publishing is not a crime."

Being an undeclared foreign agent certainly is, though.
 
2022-11-28 2:06:16 PM  

foo monkey: 'Publishing is not a crime':

There are rules and laws surrounding this kind of material and I will not tolerate the idea that one man can flaunt them by simply claiming ownership rights over illegally-obtained information.


'Ello. My name is Iñigo Montoya. You flouted my father. Prepare to die.
 
2022-11-28 2:07:20 PM  
Having sex is not a crime either, but the devil is in the details.
 
2022-11-28 2:08:56 PM  

Fart_Machine: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/XNXIZuIBJKs]


That is a VERY different show watched in 2022.  Ross is a toxic asshole.  Monica is in serious need of intensive therapy and medication.  Chandler's relationship with his parents is at best horrifically toxic and at worst, criminal child abuse.  Phoebe is a goddess sent from the heavens.  Joey is the only pure and decent one among them who only wants someone to love and never finds it.  Rachel is the only normal person who goes through an arc of "new girl to the city" to functional adult.

The acting, however, for all six of the leads is highly underrated.
 
2022-11-28 2:18:21 PM  
Well, that's cool and all, but STEALING the confidential info in the first place IS a crime. So fark you people, this caused real damage to real people, which is why assuming that everything is a "cover up" of some kind is dangerous.
 
2022-11-28 2:19:08 PM  

ChimpMitten: Isn't he being charged with working with Chelsea Manning to steal the documents and not for publishing them?

Also...

He had spent the previous seven years living inside the diplomatic premises to avoid arrest after failing to surrender to a UK court on matters relating to a separate case.

Is that how we are referring to surprise sex now?


The case that only came up when conveniently it could be used to relocate ass ange to a country which would extradite to the us then was dropped when no longer useful to render him into American custody?
 
2022-11-28 2:19:34 PM  

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Ok, I came to post Selly Cat and have now discovered that there is an actual GD video for the song.

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2022-11-28 2:20:12 PM  
"After losing his battle against extradition to Sweden, he breached bail and took refuge in the Embassy of Ecuador in London in June 2012."

This seems appropriate, at last:

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2022-11-28 2:23:32 PM  

Epic Fap Session: Operating on behalf of the KSB to harm the United States is frowned upon by many Americans.


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2022-11-28 2:24:19 PM  

Two16: Epic Fap Session: Operating on behalf of the KSB to harm the United States is frowned upon by many Americans.

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It's frowned upon by non-fascist Americans.
 
2022-11-28 2:25:03 PM  
They can try to call Assange a journalist until the heat death of the universe.  That doesn't make it true.
 
2022-11-28 2:30:36 PM  
Without getting into the moral and or ethical positions on this case/charges as they're presented in article/letter....

It isn't just about "publishing" the info drop.  They have chat logs where Assange and Chelsea Manning were live chatting while screen sharing and Assange was having her try different usernames and passwords to the SIPRnet and even provided password crackers to get into an even more elevated version of the network to pull more serious classified materials.

The reason that the Obama admin initially stated that they weren't going to charge him was specifically because at the time the understanding was that Assange only published the material, it wasn't until years later they found he was an active participant in attempting to get more serious documentation.

The baseline rule for reporters is "report the news, don't become part of the news" to stay on the legal side of reporting.  Basically, it's fine if you're standing there and reporting on a crime or criminal syndicate as long as you don't participate.

For example, if you have an in with a criminal syndicate that hijacks trucks, you can stand there and take notes and interview dudes as they're unloading trucks, but the moment you jump in the chain and help them unload a hijacked truck, you're participating in the crime and BECOMING the news.

So this is an attempt by Assange's lawyers and these news outlets to reframe the reason he's under arrest and awaiting extradition.  And it's a dishonest and uses half-truths to do so.

Which is bullshiat.

Now onto the ethical/moral viewpoint on this. The dude is a farking asshole and a piece of shiat that is all onboard with the technocrats, but if his role was truly just "reporting on the documentation provided to him" I don't think he should be under indictment.

But that's not what happened, not only did he actively participate in exfilling the data by browsing the folder structures and with Chelsea and telling her which ones to grab, he actively, and maliciously, attempted to hack into a higher level of said structure which had more serious files in it to get more info HE WANTED.

Chelsea Manning initially was only willing to provide info she had access to and only attempted to infiltrate the higher levels at his request and bidding using older and outdated Usernames and Passwords he somehow had and then when that failed provided hacking tools to try to crack into the higher security level of SIPRnet.

The dude crimed.  He's a criminal. I can separate my feelings and ignore his obvious bias and bullshiat he pulled with the 2016 election and still think he should be charged.

He provided Intel and tools and actively participated in trying to hack US government systems.

And that's why he's being charged...

Not because he reported on news.

He became news and broke the cardinal rule.
 
2022-11-28 2:39:10 PM  
I thought this was gonna be about the Rally Skunk in Clevetucky...

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2022-11-28 2:58:03 PM  
"Publishing is not a crime"

Publishing most things isn't a crime, publishing some things is.  You can't publish libel, or calls for insurrection, for instance.  Publishing can be a crime depending on the details.  Good journalists would know that.

But "Publishing is not a crime" is pithy and simplistic and easily repeated among the slow.  Their argument is a bumper sticker.
 
2022-11-28 3:07:04 PM  

Cokezeroinacan: Two16: Epic Fap Session: Operating on behalf of the KSB to harm the United States is frowned upon by many Americans.

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It's frowned upon by non-fascist Americans.


Used to be fascist American was virtually an oxymoron.  Now it's the pastime of oxy morons.
 
2022-11-28 3:09:34 PM  

Mikey1969: Well, that's cool and all, but STEALING the confidential info in the first place IS a crime. So fark you people, this caused real damage to real people, which is why assuming that everything is a "cover up" of some kind is dangerous.

this caused real damage to real people, which is why assuming that everything is a "cover up" of some kind is dangerous.


Eh... Not really.

While some of the 725k documents that Chelsea did download have humint, including sources and tactics, she did not actually transfer any of that info to Assange.

In fact, none of the info she downloaded, included the HUMINT, was classified above "secret".  Secret clearance is basically the clearance everyone automatically gets just by joining the military.

So nobody was really impacted.  That was just a talking points that was pushed by a certain group of people who wanted blood for the trans person doing this.

The DIA did a threat assessment and said "meh".

Not really, the exact quote was:
"was either dated, represented low-level opinions, or was commonly understood and known due to previous public disclosures."

They did end up contradicting their original statement when this first leaked that did throw out fear mongering that did say that, but that was before they even reviewed the materials.

Once they did and put out their report, they even admit they contradicted themselves.

Just like the material Chelsea leaked, the idea that her leaks did any harm is outdated by about half a decade.

But not many major news publications fixed or put out corrections on the reporting they did that she caused active harm.

There's a reason she was only charged with only 227 of the docs and even only portions of them at that.

She crimed, she did her time.

Now it's Assange's turn as he didn't just "report" he actively participated in the breach and was a willing participant to the crime as it happened.
 
2022-11-28 3:21:08 PM  

Aquapope: "Publishing is not a crime"

Publishing most things isn't a crime, publishing some things is.  You can't publish libel, or calls for insurrection, for instance.  Publishing can be a crime depending on the details.  Good journalists would know that.

But "Publishing is not a crime" is pithy and simplistic and easily repeated among the slow.  Their argument is a bumper sticker.


Libel is no longer a crime, it's a civil tort claim.

13 states still do have have criminal libel statutes on the books, but they're rarely enforced and when they are they're used as a tools in different scenarios.  Mainly to backup a restraining order, slapped on as a multiplier for other crimes and usually bargained down, and/or to hold someone in criminal contempt of court from a previous court mandate.

So even in the 13 states that still have it on the books it isn't treated as a crime, so if you go around and libel someone and that's your only crime, you aren't going to be correct.

None of it really matters, because that's not what he's getting charged with.  He is indicted in participating in the crime.

Not for producing the materials, but for actively browsing the files and choosing the ones he wanted and even trying to hack to more secure areas of the SIPRnet to get higher classified documents.

But in general, publishing something isn't a crime, we literally have laws protecting people from that so we can have a free and open press.
 
2022-11-28 3:22:58 PM  

Subtonic: baka-san: Fuk em
He lost any high ground when he got pissy about Hillary and gave all the dem leaks to the Russians but sat on the reb ones

Plus, he's a rapist shiat

I think his defense is that is wasn't 'rape' rape. And selling out to the ruskies was just good for the brand.


You can imagine if someone used that excuse with me regarding my daughter

He would wish the sheep in Australia had gotten him first
 
2022-11-28 3:55:31 PM  
Being an internet-based clearing house for documents that governments don't want to see is fine.  I even kind of support it and think it's a good thing.

The problem is that he decided somewhere along the way that he could parlay that into being a "kingmaker" by holding on to some documents and timing the release of others creatively.

You can do the whole No Gods No Masters thing and be fine with it up until you decide some level of favoritism, which is what happened.  Unfortunately he made that decision in a way that made the wealthiest country in the world upset at him.
 
2022-11-28 5:27:34 PM  

dkulprit: Eh... Not really.
WikiLeaks' global crusade to expose government secrets is causing collateral damage to the privacy of hundreds of innocent people, including survivors of sexual abuse, sick children and the mentally ill, The Associated Press has found.
In the past year alone, the radical transparency group has published medical files belonging to scores of ordinary citizens while many hundreds more have had sensitive family, financial or identity records posted to the web. In two particularly egregious cases, WikiLeaks named teenage rape victims. In a third case, the site published the name of a Saudi citizen arrested for being gay, an extraordinary move given that homosexuality is punishable by death in the ultraconservative Muslim kingdom.
...
The AP, which is withholding identifying details of most of those affected, reached 23 people - most in Saudi Arabia - whose personal information was exposed. Some were unaware their data had been published; WikiLeaks is censored in the country. Others shrugged at the news. Several were horrified.
One, a partially disabled Saudi woman who'd secretly gone into debt to support a sick relative, said she was devastated. She'd kept her plight from members of her own family.
"This is a disaster," she said in a phone call. "What if my brothers, neighbors, people I know or even don't know have seen it? What is the use of publishing my story?"
...
The DNC files published last month carried more than two dozen Social Security and credit card numbers, according to an AP analysis assisted by New Hampshire-based compliance firm DataGravity. Two of the people named in the files told AP they were targeted by identity thieves following the leak, including a retired U.S. diplomat who said he also had to change his number after being bombarded by threatening messages.
...
The number of people affected easily reaches into the hundreds. Paul Dietrich, a transparency activist, said a partial scan of the Saudi cables alone turned up more than 500 passport, identity, academic or employment files.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-documents-private-lives-become-collateral-damage/
 
2022-11-28 6:15:48 PM  
Send Julian to Russia and let him get conscripted into the war against Ukraine.
 
2022-11-28 10:24:18 PM  

Mikey1969: dkulprit: Eh... Not really.
WikiLeaks' global crusade to expose government secrets is causing collateral damage to the privacy of hundreds of innocent people, including survivors of sexual abuse, sick children and the mentally ill, The Associated Press has found.
In the past year alone, the radical transparency group has published medical files belonging to scores of ordinary citizens while many hundreds more have had sensitive family, financial or identity records posted to the web. In two particularly egregious cases, WikiLeaks named teenage rape victims. In a third case, the site published the name of a Saudi citizen arrested for being gay, an extraordinary move given that homosexuality is punishable by death in the ultraconservative Muslim kingdom.
...
The AP, which is withholding identifying details of most of those affected, reached 23 people - most in Saudi Arabia - whose personal information was exposed. Some were unaware their data had been published; WikiLeaks is censored in the country. Others shrugged at the news. Several were horrified.
One, a partially disabled Saudi woman who'd secretly gone into debt to support a sick relative, said she was devastated. She'd kept her plight from members of her own family.
"This is a disaster," she said in a phone call. "What if my brothers, neighbors, people I know or even don't know have seen it? What is the use of publishing my story?"
...
The DNC files published last month carried more than two dozen Social Security and credit card numbers, according to an AP analysis assisted by New Hampshire-based compliance firm DataGravity. Two of the people named in the files told AP they were targeted by identity thieves following the leak, including a retired U.S. diplomat who said he also had to change his number after being bombarded by threatening messages.
...
The number of people affected easily reaches into the hundreds. Paul Dietrich, a transparency activist, said a partial scan of the Saudi cables alone turned up more than 500 passport, identity, academic or employment files.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-documents-private-lives-become-collateral-damage/


And that has nothing to do with the case at hand?

It even states in the article you mentioned that he upheld redaction standards in the Chelsea Manning case (and Manning herself withheld docs that did have info that could endanger people.

You specifically referenced the Chelsea Manning case when you made the statement that people were endangered, and that didn't happen.  Here it is directly from the horse's mouth with their final report on the matter.
https://www.techdirt.com/2017/06/21/secret-defense-dept-report-shows-manning-leaks-did-no-serious-damage/

Or the time a defense Intelligence agency investigator who worked on the case admitted that fact on the stand under oath.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/bradley-manning-sentencing-hearing-pentagon

It was outdated and the US Government response immediately after the release was a very intentional PR move to shift public opinion on the matter by making that claim to arouse feelings of anger so people paid more attention to the disgust at the leak than the contents of the leak itself.

As far as this piece of shiat endangering other people's lives by being a piece of shiat like what they article you referenced was about?  No doubt.  Not disputing that at all. He's garbage wrapped in human skin.  I have no love or respect for the guy.  He's a biased and self interested prick who is only interested in promoting himself and is a massive hypocrite that usually tends to side with the strongmen and dictators while spouting bullshiat about spreading "freedom" through his work.

But in the Chelsea Manning case nobody was endangered.
 
2022-11-29 2:05:26 AM  
Ah. The stench of statist war crime apologists is thick in here.
 
2022-11-29 3:23:58 AM  
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2022-11-29 3:59:37 AM  

foo monkey: Fart_Machine: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/XNXIZuIBJKs]

That is a VERY different show watched in 2022.  Ross is a toxic asshole.  Monica is in serious need of intensive therapy and medication.  Chandler's relationship with his parents is at best horrifically toxic and at worst, criminal child abuse.  Phoebe is a goddess sent from the heavens.  Joey is the only pure and decent one among them who only wants someone to love and never finds it.  Rachel is the only normal person who goes through an arc of "new girl to the city" to functional adult.

The acting, however, for all six of the leads is highly underrated.


Rachel's nips look as good in 2022 as they did back in the day
 
2022-11-29 9:03:33 AM  

Subtonic: baka-san: Fuk em
He lost any high ground when he got pissy about Hillary and gave all the dem leaks to the Russians but sat on the reb ones

Plus, he's a rapist shiat

I think his defense is that is wasn't 'rape' rape. And selling out to the ruskies was just good for the brand.


So it wasn't legitimate rape?  Which, if my GQP logic hasn't gone entirely haywire, he might have gotten them pregnant!
 
2022-11-29 9:05:15 AM  

foo monkey: 'Publishing is not a crime':

There are rules and laws surrounding this kind of material and I will not tolerate the idea that one man can flaunt them by simply claiming ownership rights over illegally-obtained information.


Publishing is not a crime, but under some circumstances, it's an act of war.  He's an enemy combatant; send him to Gitmo.
 
2022-11-29 9:10:16 AM  

WordsnCollision: "After losing his battle against extradition to Sweden, he breached bail and took refuge in the Embassy of Ecuador in London in June 2012."

This seems appropriate, at last:

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That fargin bastage. They shoulda rip his cork off and shove it up his icehole. Marthafargin corksoaker.
 
2022-11-29 9:38:50 AM  

dkulprit: wanted blood for the trans person doing this


Umm, Horseshiat. Take that persecution narrative and fark off with it.

No one had means or motive to be transphobic in the trial or penalty phase, because Manning was not yet aware of their transsexuality.  No, people were rightly enraged that someone given the public trust flouted it.

When this occurred, there was no trans person evident.  There was Bradley Manning, a biological male. He perpetrated a crime (which I will stipulate, may be less serious that portrayed), was convicted and went to prison.  Given the time for reflection they (switching pronouns here) had while there, they discovered they were trans, and, at that point, became she, took the name Chelsea, and spent a whole lot of time in solitary so she didn't get raped to death, until President Obama commuted her sentence (rightly, IMHO, as time in solitary is beyond soul crushing, and probably ought to rate as 3 to 5 years in general).
 
2022-11-29 9:40:08 AM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Ah. The stench of statist war crime apologists is thick in here.


Name does not check out.
 
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