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(Local10 WPLG)   White supremacist who drove 3 hours to Buffalo, shot up supermarket in black neighborhood, killing 10, wounding 3 others, to plead guilty on all counts. Because he's guilty   (local10.com) divider line
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2022-11-28 2:42:02 AM  
Good.
NYS doesn't have the death penalty.
 
2022-11-28 2:50:36 AM  
I hope he doesn't get the life sentence. I hope he gets the death penalty.
It's time we stopped feeding and housing these murdering shiatbags at taxpayer expense, and just got on with removing them from the world as the failures at basic humanity that they truly are.
 
2022-11-28 6:33:53 AM  
He should have gotten Kyle Rittenhouse's lawyer.
 
2022-11-28 6:46:12 AM  
There should be a third plea allowed.  "You'll never get a conviction."

Because if many cases the way they they plead when the time comes, all boils down to only that point.
 
2022-11-28 6:51:44 AM  
I still want to know what, if anything, was done on the Discord website where he posted his plans?

I know if I post some wild-eyed screed here, that even drunk Mike, is going to take it down and forward it to someone, anyone in hopes of getting action.  And the most wild eyed thing I've done lately is go out to a real mall over last weekend.
 
2022-11-28 6:52:58 AM  
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2022-11-28 6:53:47 AM  
no.. that's not guilt.. that's pride. He's pleading guilty because he's proud of his choices.

I'll get him... no way he's vaxxed
 
2022-11-28 7:01:05 AM  
He'll complain about the amount of money he had to spend on gas to drive to his hate crime.
 
2022-11-28 7:04:13 AM  

bloobeary: I hope he doesn't get the life sentence. I hope he gets the death penalty.
It's time we stopped feeding and housing these murdering shiatbags at taxpayer expense, and just got on with removing them from the world as the failures at basic humanity that they truly are.


I disagree. I simply don't like governments having the power to order someone's death.
 
2022-11-28 7:12:19 AM  

Gordon Bennett: bloobeary: I hope he doesn't get the life sentence. I hope he gets the death penalty.
It's time we stopped feeding and housing these murdering shiatbags at taxpayer expense, and just got on with removing them from the world as the failures at basic humanity that they truly are.

I disagree. I simply don't like governments having the power to order someone's death.


Also the death penalty is more expensive than life in prison when you account for court costs for appeals.
 
2022-11-28 7:13:56 AM  

cherryl taggart: I still want to know what, if anything, was done on the Discord website where he posted his plans?

I know if I post some wild-eyed screed here, that even drunk Mike, is going to take it down and forward it to someone, anyone in hopes of getting action.  And the most wild eyed thing I've done lately is go out to a real mall over last weekend.


Reported.
 
2022-11-28 7:20:19 AM  

Gordon Bennett: bloobeary: I hope he doesn't get the life sentence. I hope he gets the death penalty.
It's time we stopped feeding and housing these murdering shiatbags at taxpayer expense, and just got on with removing them from the world as the failures at basic humanity that they truly are.

I disagree. I simply don't like governments having the power to order someone's death.


I don't want the state killing people either, but that's not my motivation in being against the death penalty. I want killers to pay for their crimes as long as possible that word gets out as a deterrent. And with mandatory appeals, more of them for cause, and the increased costs of death rows, executing killers winds up costing the state more than life imprisonment.
 
2022-11-28 7:20:26 AM  

cherryl taggart: I still want to know what, if anything, was done on the Discord website where he posted his plans?

I know if I post some wild-eyed screed here, that even drunk Mike, is going to take it down and forward it to someone, anyone in hopes of getting action.  And the most wild eyed thing I've done lately is go out to a real mall over last weekend.


heathen,
 
2022-11-28 7:20:58 AM  

think_balance: Gordon Bennett: bloobeary: I hope he doesn't get the life sentence. I hope he gets the death penalty.
It's time we stopped feeding and housing these murdering shiatbags at taxpayer expense, and just got on with removing them from the world as the failures at basic humanity that they truly are.

I disagree. I simply don't like governments having the power to order someone's death.

Also the death penalty is more expensive than life in prison when you account for court costs for appeals.


Didn't he just plead guilty?

Would he even try for an appeal?
 
2022-11-28 7:24:25 AM  
I worked as an election inspector at the library across the street from that Tops.

I know you don't have to wear your Sunday best to go vote but wearing a "Bullet Club" hoodie is not the proper attire. It's a wrestling thing but I did not know that at the time and I'm pretty sure no one else working there did either.

Anyway. Good group of people there. I hope to be called back and I'll work at the same place, too. It's close and I can walk if needed.
 
2022-11-28 7:25:30 AM  
Recently we've had a case over here where someone with the same sensibilities drove 2 hours to Dover to firebomb a makeshift detention centre (then managed to hang himself while sitting in his car)

You've got to be a special kind of deranged to be able to hold onto that much hate for the long time it takes to get to your intended target. rational humans would take that time to entertain conflicting thoughts and maybe change their mind.

A few years ago some guy drove to wales to hire a van to drive back to London to plough into a crowd of Muslims at Finsbury park Mosque. That's a perverse kind of dedication right there.
 
2022-11-28 7:27:12 AM  

hubiestubert: think_balance: Gordon Bennett: bloobeary: I hope he doesn't get the life sentence. I hope he gets the death penalty.
It's time we stopped feeding and housing these murdering shiatbags at taxpayer expense, and just got on with removing them from the world as the failures at basic humanity that they truly are.

I disagree. I simply don't like governments having the power to order someone's death.

Also the death penalty is more expensive than life in prison when you account for court costs for appeals.

Didn't he just plead guilty?

Would he even try for an appeal?


I know this is fark and all, but...

Gendron's lawyers disclosed in recent weeks that he planned to plead guilty to all of the counts in a state indictment and to waive his right to appeal, according to attorneys John Elmore and Terrence Connors, who represent families of those killed and injured.
 
2022-11-28 7:27:19 AM  

hubiestubert: think_balance: Gordon Bennett: bloobeary: I hope he doesn't get the life sentence. I hope he gets the death penalty.
It's time we stopped feeding and housing these murdering shiatbags at taxpayer expense, and just got on with removing them from the world as the failures at basic humanity that they truly are.

I disagree. I simply don't like governments having the power to order someone's death.

Also the death penalty is more expensive than life in prison when you account for court costs for appeals.

Didn't he just plead guilty?

Would he even try for an appeal?



New York doesn't have the death penalty. He will still be up against federal hate crimes, which can get him the death penalty. But even if he pleads guilty to those the appeal is automatic.

Timothy McVeigh had to go to court to stop the mandatory appeals so he could die quicker.
 
2022-11-28 7:28:51 AM  

bloobeary: I hope he doesn't get the life sentence. I hope he gets the death penalty.
It's time we stopped feeding and housing these murdering shiatbags at taxpayer expense, and just got on with removing them from the world as the failures at basic humanity that they truly are.


There would need to be a trial for that.
 
2022-11-28 7:29:13 AM  
RE: The death penalty. originally it was a deterrent, and the methods used (noose, beheading, firing squad) were intended to stoke fear into the hearts of the evil-minded. Death under these methods was deliberately painful and inflicted suffering onto the condemned, however brief.

These days you can choose to die peacefully & painlessly in your sleep. Not what I'd call a deterrent.
 
2022-11-28 7:32:57 AM  

Ragin' Asian: He'll complain about the amount of money he had to spend on gas to drive to his hate crime.


...which is the tangent Tukkker will take, if he discusses this at all.
 
2022-11-28 7:35:20 AM  

jimjays: Gordon Bennett: bloobeary: I hope he doesn't get the life sentence. I hope he gets the death penalty.
It's time we stopped feeding and housing these murdering shiatbags at taxpayer expense, and just got on with removing them from the world as the failures at basic humanity that they truly are.

I disagree. I simply don't like governments having the power to order someone's death.

I don't want the state killing people either, but that's not my motivation in being against the death penalty. I want killers to pay for their crimes as long as possible that word gets out as a deterrent. And with mandatory appeals, more of them for cause, and the increased costs of death rows, executing killers winds up costing the state more than life imprisonment.


I find this view wrong footed, because it implies you're OK with someone losing their life anyway without that set of appeals and determination to get it right.

Life in prison is a determination that people are so fundamentally broken that they cannot ever be safely released. If you reach that point and will hear no further appeal, you might as well kill them*. Even if they do get released, you have a Brooks situation: maybe they off themselves or do something to get back in, maybe they don't...but men that old won't just adjust.

*Now, I have severe misgivings about how we kill them. An nitrogen asphyxiation mask is perfectly useable and a lot more humane.
 
2022-11-28 7:35:56 AM  
Just setting up his January 20, 2025 pardon from Trump.
 
2022-11-28 7:39:29 AM  
Always keep your gas receipts.
 
2022-11-28 7:40:36 AM  

hubiestubert: think_balance: Gordon Bennett: bloobeary: I hope he doesn't get the life sentence. I hope he gets the death penalty.
It's time we stopped feeding and housing these murdering shiatbags at taxpayer expense, and just got on with removing them from the world as the failures at basic humanity that they truly are.

I disagree. I simply don't like governments having the power to order someone's death.

Also the death penalty is more expensive than life in prison when you account for court costs for appeals.

Didn't he just plead guilty?

Would he even try for an appeal?


Most death penalties go through appeal not on the basis of guilt but on the constitutionality of the death penalty.

IANAL - but I believe there's more to the death penalty than just the initial sentencing and the execution - and the process is more expensive than life in prison.

https://apnews.com/article/8612ca4218904639b37bfd9af381a0d5
 
2022-11-28 7:40:52 AM  

Stantz: RE: The death penalty. originally it was a deterrent, and the methods used (noose, beheading, firing squad) were intended to stoke fear into the hearts of the evil-minded. Death under these methods was deliberately painful and inflicted suffering onto the condemned, however brief.

These days you can choose to die peacefully & painlessly in your sleep. Not what I'd call a deterrent.


The death penalty was never a deterrent.  In the current state of society and justice it never will be, and neither is incarceration. And while I don't have current numbers, the "break even" point between capital punishment in place of incarceration was roughly 100 years.

Proactive socio-economic neighborhood intervention and proactive law enforcement are the current favorites to continue bringing crime down, but it's in its infancy and while your poli-map still has any red in it we'll likely never live to see it.

The pure and simple function of the American justice system under current conditions is to remove offenders from society.  That's it.  (2nd hand) deterrence, retribution or rehabilitation have no meaning and any improvement is mostly coincidence.
 
2022-11-28 7:41:58 AM  
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2022-11-28 7:42:20 AM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: I worked as an election inspector at the library across the street from that Tops.

I know you don't have to wear your Sunday best to go vote but wearing a "Bullet Club" hoodie is not the proper attire. It's a wrestling thing but I did not know that at the time and I'm pretty sure no one else working there did either.

Anyway. Good group of people there. I hope to be called back and I'll work at the same place, too. It's close and I can walk if needed.


Thanks for your work. The system won't work without honest volunteers.
 
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2022-11-28 7:43:09 AM  

Gordon Bennett: bloobeary: I hope he doesn't get the life sentence. I hope he gets the death penalty.
It's time we stopped feeding and housing these murdering shiatbags at taxpayer expense, and just got on with removing them from the world as the failures at basic humanity that they truly are.

I disagree. I simply don't like governments having the power to order someone's death.


Hw murdered people he did not know.  Ten of them.  He cannot be rehabilitated.  This is why the death penalty should remain an option.
 
2022-11-28 7:53:15 AM  
He's going to be incarcerated for a very long time in a state penitentiary with a rather large African American population.
 
2022-11-28 7:59:19 AM  
"Gendron also faces charges for separate federal hate crimes that could result in a death sentence if he is convicted. The U.S. Justice Department has not said whether it would seek capital punishment."

Do it. Examples need to be set since these people seem to keep thinking it's a good idea to shoot up a place all the time.
 
2022-11-28 8:04:44 AM  

cherryl taggart: I still want to know what, if anything, was done on the Discord website where he posted his plans?

I know if I post some wild-eyed screed here, that even drunk Mike, is going to take it down and forward it to someone, anyone in hopes of getting action.  And the most wild eyed thing I've done lately is go out to a real mall over last weekend.


Discord isn't a website, it's a chat/VoIP program akin to Zoom or MS Teams, making thay kinda difficult.
 
2022-11-28 8:04:54 AM  

bighairyguy: Just setting up his January 20, 2025 pardon from Trump.


The president can only pardon federal offenses and the state charges which he is pleading guilty to will keep him locked up for life.
 
2022-11-28 8:09:35 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: bighairyguy: Just setting up his January 20, 2025 pardon from Trump.

The president can only pardon federal offenses and the state charges which he is pleading guilty to will keep him locked up for life.


Like Trump cares about that.  He'll make the pardon and then complain about how unfair it's not valid.
 
2022-11-28 8:16:42 AM  

Diocletian's Last Cabbage: He's going to be incarcerated for a very long time in a state penitentiary with a rather large African American population.


Whose relatives may have been among the victims.
 
2022-11-28 8:19:14 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: He should have gotten Kyle Rittenhouse's lawyer judge.


FTFY
 
2022-11-28 8:25:46 AM  
If he gets the death penalty, I believe he gets an automatic appeal and will cost orders of magnitude more than just letting him rot in prison.
 
2022-11-28 8:41:07 AM  

durbnpoisn: There should be a third plea allowed.  "You'll never get a conviction."

Because if many cases the way they they plead when the time comes, all boils down to only that point.


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2022-11-28 8:54:44 AM  

hubiestubert: think_balance: Gordon Bennett: bloobeary: I hope he doesn't get the life sentence. I hope he gets the death penalty.
It's time we stopped feeding and housing these murdering shiatbags at taxpayer expense, and just got on with removing them from the world as the failures at basic humanity that they truly are.

I disagree. I simply don't like governments having the power to order someone's death.

Also the death penalty is more expensive than life in prison when you account for court costs for appeals.

Didn't he just plead guilty?

Would he even try for an appeal?


No, but balance isn't letting something like common sense get in the way of his rage boner
 
2022-11-28 9:00:02 AM  

Nimbull: "Gendron also faces charges for separate federal hate crimes that could result in a death sentence if he is convicted. The U.S. Justice Department has not said whether it would seek capital punishment."

Do it. Examples need to be set since these people seem to keep thinking it's a good idea to shoot up a place all the time.


They should, but ironically the death penalty is a right wing concept overall, and I don't see the current DoJ reversing their anti DP stance.
 
2022-11-28 9:07:10 AM  

bighairyguy: Just setting up his January 20, 2025 pardon from Trump.


The next election for Governor of New York isn't until 2026.   I swear fark is getting dumber by the day.
 
2022-11-28 9:26:54 AM  
Why do we house all these criminals for the rest of their lives?  Isn't there a continent full of the most deadly wildlife known to man we can send them all to?
 
2022-11-28 9:45:21 AM  

Stantz: RE: The death penalty. originally it was a deterrent, and the methods used (noose, beheading, firing squad) were intended to stoke fear into the hearts of the evil-minded. Death under these methods was deliberately painful and inflicted suffering onto the condemned, however brief.

These days you can choose to die peacefully & painlessly in your sleep. Not what I'd call a deterrent.


Anybody who thought lethal injection was dying painlessly in your sleep has never witnessed one.
 
2022-11-28 9:54:38 AM  

jimjays: Gordon Bennett: bloobeary: I hope he doesn't get the life sentence. I hope he gets the death penalty.
It's time we stopped feeding and housing these murdering shiatbags at taxpayer expense, and just got on with removing them from the world as the failures at basic humanity that they truly are.

I disagree. I simply don't like governments having the power to order someone's death.

I don't want the state killing people either, but that's not my motivation in being against the death penalty. I want killers to pay for their crimes as long as possible that word gets out as a deterrent. And with mandatory appeals, more of them for cause, and the increased costs of death rows, executing killers winds up costing the state more than life imprisonment.


My issue is the current justice system isn't.

I mean it is barely a system, nevermind it's complete failing at delivering justice. Until the system is both just and applicable to everyone equally and evenly I cannot support sending people to death by it.

Once we fix those gapping flaws I am alright with the death penalty in principle.
 
2022-11-28 9:56:23 AM  

think_balance: hubiestubert: think_balance: Gordon Bennett: bloobeary: I hope he doesn't get the life sentence. I hope he gets the death penalty.
It's time we stopped feeding and housing these murdering shiatbags at taxpayer expense, and just got on with removing them from the world as the failures at basic humanity that they truly are.

I disagree. I simply don't like governments having the power to order someone's death.

Also the death penalty is more expensive than life in prison when you account for court costs for appeals.

Didn't he just plead guilty?

Would he even try for an appeal?

Most death penalties go through appeal not on the basis of guilt but on the constitutionality of the death penalty.

IANAL - but I believe there's more to the death penalty than just the initial sentencing and the execution - and the process is more expensive than life in prison.

https://apnews.com/article/8612ca4218904639b37bfd9af381a0d5


DP investigations (of which I've participated in 2) are more about good faith and covering the state's ass. They want to be absolutely sure there's nothing that comes up later that would have exonerated the decedent.

Now, of course some states don't care. But most of your sane states that still have the DP (here in CO they didn't abolish iat until 2020) absolutely do. It's not the appeals process that makes the DP expensive, it's the DP investigation before the Governor gives the go-ahead.

I charged $150/hr for my participation, they didn't even blink. Experienced DP investigators charge 2-3X that easily. And I was only local support for a firm with a national reputation, and I wasn't the only one on the ground for either of them. And these investigations will go on for months before the lead investigator exhausts all leads, full time.

Appeals is a few hearings and personnel to support the court room and judge. DP investigations cost more in an hour than a full day of hearings, a full day of a DPI is going to cost more than most criminal defense firms would dream of charging for defending your average high-profile DUI or drug charge.
 
2022-11-28 12:11:03 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: He should have gotten Kyle Rittenhouse's lawyer.


No, no no.

It was the biased judge who helped him out of jail. There was evidence that wasn't "admissible"  because the judge had hemorrhoids.  Or something.
 
2022-11-28 12:12:44 PM  

COVID19: no.. that's not guilt.. that's pride. He's pleading guilty because he's proud of his choices.

I'll get him... no way he's vaxxed


It's not pride. It's if I show sone responsibility for my actions maybe the feds will take the hate crimes death penalty off the table.
 
2022-11-28 12:18:43 PM  

Gordon Bennett: bloobeary: I hope he doesn't get the life sentence. I hope he gets the death penalty.
It's time we stopped feeding and housing these murdering shiatbags at taxpayer expense, and just got on with removing them from the world as the failures at basic humanity that they truly are.

I disagree. I simply don't like governments having the power to order someone's death.


Governments don't. A group of 12 randomly selected citizens do.  The only thing the government does is decide how long they draw it out before doing what the jury told them to do.
 
2022-11-28 12:19:12 PM  

hugram: Tyrone Slothrop: He should have gotten Kyle Rittenhouse's lawyer judge.

FTFY


Damn, you beat me to it.


/tiny fist
 
2022-11-28 1:31:57 PM  

Noah_Tall: Gordon Bennett: bloobeary: I hope he doesn't get the life sentence. I hope he gets the death penalty.
It's time we stopped feeding and housing these murdering shiatbags at taxpayer expense, and just got on with removing them from the world as the failures at basic humanity that they truly are.

I disagree. I simply don't like governments having the power to order someone's death.

Governments don't. A group of 12 randomly selected citizens do.  The only thing the government does is decide how long they draw it out before doing what the jury told them to do.


I don't see how that's any better.
 
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