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(WMUR New Hampshire)   Man thinks he can leave his car unlocked while it's warming up outside his own apartment - forgets the times we live in, the nature of man, the Devil who mocks him, and the uncaring Universe   (wmur.com) divider line
    More: Misc, English-language films, up.Mike McCormack, Subaru Legacy, police station, McCormack said.McCormack, Friday morning, Concord man, holiday weekend.Melissa Plante  
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2022-11-27 6:55:40 PM  
Happened multiple times in Britain over last few winters. Many Brit homes semi-detached without garages

And in every case, they've invalidated their insurance by leaving keys in ignition
 
2022-11-27 9:11:39 PM  
Remote starters without a remote kill switch are just asking to be stolen. They don't have to start it again, just drive it to a chop shop. And it's all your fault for being a pussy.
 
2022-11-27 9:13:04 PM  

cefm: Remote starters without a remote kill switch are just asking to be stolen. They don't have to start it again, just drive it to a chop shop. And it's all your fault for being a pussy.


I'm not sure you and I have the same definition of "pussy".
 
2022-11-27 9:13:39 PM  
"I just have to wait now," McCormack said. "It's just a waiting game."

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2022-11-27 9:14:55 PM  
It's actually illegal in Maryland. I don't think the police ever enforcement, but they sure remind us whenever there's a rash of thefts of warming-up cars, which there is every winter.
 
2022-11-27 9:20:10 PM  
Only way I can see leaving a running car unoccupied  as a positive, is if your waiting in the wing with a high powered rifle.

People just disappear everyday as they say.
 
2022-11-27 9:21:04 PM  
I used to live in Concord. Not NH. Never got my car stolen. Maybe because I am not a farking moron that leaves an unattended motor vehicle.
 
2022-11-27 9:21:47 PM  
Concord police were unable to confirm the incident to WMUR. A representative said no one was available due to the holiday weekend.

Please no criming this weekend, police are enjoying Thanksgiving weekend with their families!
 
2022-11-27 9:22:16 PM  
A 2018 Legacy doesn't have factory remote start?

My girlfriend's 2005 Malibu Maxx has it.  Double click the lock button on the fob, then long press the button with the circular arrow.  If you open the door it shuts off and you have to restart with the key.
 
2022-11-27 9:22:54 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: It's actually illegal in Maryland. I don't think the police ever enforcement, but they sure remind us whenever there's a rash of thefts of warming-up cars, which there is every winter.


In Maryland, and most states, it's legal for up to 5 minutes.
 
2022-11-27 9:25:47 PM  
My firs thought when reading the headline:

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2022-11-27 9:27:14 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: It's actually illegal in Maryland. I don't think the police ever enforcement, but they sure remind us whenever there's a rash of thefts of warming-up cars, which there is every winter.


$1000 fine for leaving a running car unattended.  I biatched at an Amazon delivery guy for doing it just before the pandemic, as he had left his van running while he was parked on Main Street.

I think it's still a $70 fine for idling too long, even if you're in it.  Virginia and DC have laws on this, too
 
2022-11-27 9:27:20 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: It's actually illegal in Maryland. I don't think the police ever enforcement, but they sure remind us whenever there's a rash of thefts of warming-up cars, which there is every winter.


Ah yes, the "don't make us work" amendment
 
2022-11-27 9:36:35 PM  
I read this subby's headline in Werner Herzog's voice
 
2022-11-27 9:36:58 PM  
I'm just here to watch the morons tell us how stupid remote starters are when they're on probably half the cars and trucks where I live.
 
2022-11-27 9:37:41 PM  

scanman61: A 2018 Legacy doesn't have factory remote start?

My girlfriend's 2005 Malibu Maxx has it.  Double click the lock button on the fob, then long press the button with the circular arrow.  If you open the door it shuts off and you have to restart with the key.


Most Japanese cars don't. Also modern cars now use phone apps that are often subscription based, so the fob is strictly for locking and unlocking and starting the car from inside. My friend got told by the mazda dealer themselves to get a 3rd party system, but her car I guess had a 3g based system, which got invalidated when 3g was retired.
 
2022-11-27 9:38:04 PM  

zeroflight222: Manfred J. Hattan: It's actually illegal in Maryland. I don't think the police ever enforcement, but they sure remind us whenever there's a rash of thefts of warming-up cars, which there is every winter.

In Maryland, and most states, it's legal for up to 5 minutes.


If it's remote or if you remember to lock your car before you go back in.
 
2022-11-27 9:43:20 PM  
Obviously he can leave it running, unlocked, and unattended.  Once.
 
2022-11-27 9:45:58 PM  
I'm betting it wasn't a manual transmission.
 
2022-11-27 9:47:34 PM  
See that all the time here.. at convenience stores, gas stations..  even with kids in the car... hop out, run into the store and run back out trying to catch it as it leaves the lot... cold weather makes it easy with exhaust plumes pointing the way...  some folks just don't think... or learn..  and we pay for it.....
 
2022-11-27 9:48:49 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: It's actually illegal in Maryland. I don't think the police ever enforcement, but they sure remind us whenever there's a rash of thefts of warming-up cars, which there is every winter.


I understand the law but it's still a lazy thing. People should have a reasonable expectation that their car won't be stolen and there's a whole bunch of societal issues that need to be addressed to allow it.
But making a law against warming up a car is cheap and doesn't affect the wealthy.
 
2022-11-27 9:49:57 PM  

zeroflight222: Manfred J. Hattan: It's actually illegal in Maryland. I don't think the police ever enforcement, but they sure remind us whenever there's a rash of thefts of warming-up cars, which there is every winter.

In Maryland, and most states, it's legal for up to 5 minutes.


Nope. You cannot leave a car unattended in Maryland. Sit in it and let it idle? Yup.
 
2022-11-27 9:55:29 PM  
 
2022-11-27 9:58:13 PM  
Thankfully I live in the sticks. But when I've warmed my car up at friends' houses I just lock it while it runs and open it with the spare in my purse 🤷🏻‍♀

Tbf though, nobody's stealing a 2004 Sunfire 🤣
 
2022-11-27 10:00:36 PM  
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2022-11-27 10:07:09 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Manfred J. Hattan: It's actually illegal in Maryland. I don't think the police ever enforcement, but they sure remind us whenever there's a rash of thefts of warming-up cars, which there is every winter.

I understand the law but it's still a lazy thing. People should have a reasonable expectation that their car won't be stolen and there's a whole bunch of societal issues that need to be addressed to allow it.
But making a law against warming up a car is cheap and doesn't affect the wealthy.


The key thing is you are licensed to operate a car. Starting it and leaving it running outside of your care and control is a violation of the license.
 
2022-11-27 10:08:55 PM  
My car is a manual transmission, so 99% of people aren't stealing it when I leave it running.
 
2022-11-27 10:13:03 PM  

Zeroth Law: scanman61: A 2018 Legacy doesn't have factory remote start?

My girlfriend's 2005 Malibu Maxx has it.  Double click the lock button on the fob, then long press the button with the circular arrow.  If you open the door it shuts off and you have to restart with the key.

Most Japanese cars don't. Also modern cars now use phone apps that are often subscription based, so the fob is strictly for locking and unlocking and starting the car from inside. My friend got told by the mazda dealer themselves to get a 3rd party system, but her car I guess had a 3g based system, which got invalidated when 3g was retired.


Most Japanese cars don't?  Really?  I program fobs to cars pretty much every day doing immobilizer relearns on module replacements and I know that Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Mitsubishi and Subaru all have it.  Which ones don't?

The "phone as your key" systems I've seen are all in addition to a regular fob, not a replacement for a regular fob, with a few exceptions.

Might be true for the really new stuff, I very rarely service a vehicle still under warranty.

As far as your girlfriend's car, yeah, Mazda Mobile Start was a clusterfark.  If her subscription was active Oct 2022 she should have gotten an email explaining the system was being shut down and explaining her three options: have a regular fob system installed, have an Android Auto/Apple Carplay system installed or a $1000 credit towards a new Mazda.  Unfortunately the program expired in June.
 
2022-11-27 10:14:10 PM  
Follow-up

Two people in custody after stolen car from Concord found in Weare

If the victim was an idiot for leaving his car unattended, the thieves were bigger idiots for not getting rid of the cell phone that was left in the car.
 
2022-11-27 10:23:53 PM  

GloomCookie613: Thankfully I live in the sticks. But when I've warmed my car up at friends' houses I just lock it while it runs and open it with the spare in my purse 🤷🏻‍♀

Tbf though, nobody's stealing a 2004 Sunfire 🤣


Miss my 60's 70's GM products with separate keys for the ignition and doors.
 
2022-11-27 10:27:40 PM  
It's not just a winter thing. I like to check the crime blotter in my area, which is a nice suburban neighborhood. It's astounding to see the number of cars that are stolen overnight when they're sitting in a driveway unlocked with the keys inside. Or the number of people who have their work laptops, passports, credit cards, or purses stolen from their unlocked vehicles overnight. I feel bad victim blaming, but common sense could save plenty of stolen property in many cases.
 
2022-11-27 10:30:17 PM  

scanman61: Zeroth Law: scanman61: A 2018 Legacy doesn't have factory remote start?

My girlfriend's 2005 Malibu Maxx has it.  Double click the lock button on the fob, then long press the button with the circular arrow.  If you open the door it shuts off and you have to restart with the key.

Most Japanese cars don't. Also modern cars now use phone apps that are often subscription based, so the fob is strictly for locking and unlocking and starting the car from inside. My friend got told by the mazda dealer themselves to get a 3rd party system, but her car I guess had a 3g based system, which got invalidated when 3g was retired.

Most Japanese cars don't?  Really?  I program fobs to cars pretty much every day doing immobilizer relearns on module replacements and I know that Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Mitsubishi and Subaru all have it.  Which ones don't?

The "phone as your key" systems I've seen are all in addition to a regular fob, not a replacement for a regular fob, with a few exceptions.

Might be true for the really new stuff, I very rarely service a vehicle still under warranty.

As far as your girlfriend's car, yeah, Mazda Mobile Start was a clusterfark.  If her subscription was active Oct 2022 she should have gotten an email explaining the system was being shut down and explaining her three options: have a regular fob system installed, have an Android Auto/Apple Carplay system installed or a $1000 credit towards a new Mazda.  Unfortunately the program expired in June.


My 2021 Subaru Ascent, only had remote App based start by default. I had to specifically get non app remote start added as a 400 (A physical module) option to the car (Semi-regularly in locations without cell phone service). That additionally gave me two remote start keyfobs. And I can also start the car via the standard keyfob with a specific button press pattern. But no one at the dealer knew that was even possible with the standard fob they all believed you had to use the specific remote start keyfobs only. I only knew about via an Subaru enthusiast forum. My MIL had a 2016 Subaru Legacy and It didn't have remote start installed from the factory. Only App remote start without adding the remote start module as an ad-on. She now has a 2019 Subaru Outback and it doesn't have remote start installed. Though she could subscribe to the App and get the feature.

I will say the app is very nice on the remote start to ensure that the heated seats and the temperature is setup to turn on the heat in the car (Assuming you have AT&T cell coverage where the vehicle is parked)... The one thing it won't do is turn on the heated steering wheel or the back heated seats for middle row. Still have to either have them turned on as the last thing before the car was turned off or have to get in and turn them back on.
 
2022-11-27 10:43:37 PM  

killershark: It's not just a winter thing. I like to check the crime blotter in my area, which is a nice suburban neighborhood. It's astounding to see the number of cars that are stolen overnight when they're sitting in a driveway unlocked with the keys inside. Or the number of people who have their work laptops, passports, credit cards, or purses stolen from their unlocked vehicles overnight. I feel bad victim blaming, but common sense could save plenty of stolen property in many cases.


Common sense is not so common.

There are sh*tty people in this world and it behooves one to take practical steps to guard your person and valuables. No, other people's sh*tty behavior is not your fault but no need to make it easier for them either.
 
2022-11-27 11:06:41 PM  

scanman61: A 2018 Legacy doesn't have factory remote start?

My girlfriend's 2005 Malibu Maxx has it.  Double click the lock button on the fob, then long press the button with the circular arrow.  If you open the door it shuts off and you have to restart with the key.


I drive a manual, so no remote start for me.

OTOH, pretty good odds that anyone who tries to steal it won't know how to drive a stick.
 
2022-11-27 11:10:46 PM  
Cell phone apps for cars? Yikes I'm out of the loop. Last vehicle was a 1998 Pathfinder. Current vehicle is a 2015 Camry. No remote start nor app needed.

Not sure how I feel about an app needed for car settings. Don't need heated steering wheels or seats. Would be nice to be able to safely remote start for winter heating or summer cooling but beyond that ... no thanks.
 
2022-11-27 11:10:59 PM  

indy_kid: scanman61: A 2018 Legacy doesn't have factory remote start?

My girlfriend's 2005 Malibu Maxx has it.  Double click the lock button on the fob, then long press the button with the circular arrow.  If you open the door it shuts off and you have to restart with the key.

I drive a manual, so no remote start for me.

OTOH, pretty good odds that anyone who tries to steal it won't know how to drive a stick.


In my time as a mechanic I've seen plenty of manual cars with aftermarket remote start installed and also seen systems without the hood open disable wired up.

The only thing crappier than aftermarket auto accessories is the stereo shops that install them.
 
2022-11-27 11:11:37 PM  
What is this shiat, an advertisement for private secureity patrols and gated communities? fark off with this fear-mongering, WMUR.
 
2022-11-27 11:14:40 PM  
One of the reasons that there are "no-idling" laws is the emissions. CO poisoning is a thing. A stationary vehicle can be a death trap (even without a garage or a pipe from the exhaust to the cabin).
 
2022-11-27 11:15:06 PM  
This article usually comes after the one about the guy who had heart failure while shoveling his sidewalk and before the article about the guy who fell and broke his leg while clearing snow off his cabin roof.  At least that's how they taught it in school when I was a kid.
 
2022-11-27 11:17:01 PM  

killershark: It's not just a winter thing. I like to check the crime blotter in my area, which is a nice suburban neighborhood. It's astounding to see the number of cars that are stolen overnight when they're sitting in a driveway unlocked with the keys inside. Or the number of people who have their work laptops, passports, credit cards, or purses stolen from their unlocked vehicles overnight. I feel bad victim blaming, but common sense could save plenty of stolen property in many cases.


I'm old enough to remember a time when you could leave your house unlocked and no one would fark with it.

I guess morals and ethics have eroded over the years, but that's not a surprise when we see the rich getting away with murder while the poor get 10 years for a roach in the car's ashtray.

Kind of the ultimate "I learned it from you, Dad!"

It's no surprise that the loonies are running for office. They want that "Get out of jail free" card. Maybe sending TFG, Rubio, Ladybugs, and a shiatload more to prison might restore some confidence in the system.
 
2022-11-27 11:21:15 PM  

powhound: Cell phone apps for cars? Yikes I'm out of the loop. Last vehicle was a 1998 Pathfinder. Current vehicle is a 2015 Camry. No remote start nor app needed.

Not sure how I feel about an app needed for car settings. Don't need heated steering wheels or seats. Would be nice to be able to safely remote start for winter heating or summer cooling but beyond that ... no thanks.


If your "key" works at a distance, it is not designed to lock other people out of your vehicle. Although, frankly, I am not sure what "services" the all-access vehicle pairs with. But it's the same kind fo key as condominium door digital fobs.

The digital key fobs on condominium doors are there because the plan was (and still is) for companies like Amazon and Wal*Mart to have delivery people who enter homes - whenever the company wants, which comes down to delivery persons choosing -and restock fidges, pet food, kitty litter, etc. In other words, the point foa digital key fob is literally to let anyone at all into your home. Delivery drivers are just normal people, and keys are a technology to maintain privacy so normal people stay out. Normal people steal and leer and whatever. They take pistures and post selfie videos. Digital fobs enable all of that.

The anti-key-key fobs are now a little bit in doubt, because of drone deliveries. But, like, right now, the wind we've had in my region for he last 6 weeks (except one day last week) would have filled Lake Ontario with drowning drones and their Amazon packages. So we can expect more open-access, all-access homes and vehicles in our futures. Peons are still far superior to drones, especially with climate change turning our weather patterns into the drone equavalent of a SlapChop.

/Hmm maybe I should copyright the term "droneslaw"
//and then start a key fob insurance company
///three cheers for BennieFobz Inc.
 
2022-11-27 11:22:25 PM  

MechaPyx: killershark: It's not just a winter thing. I like to check the crime blotter in my area, which is a nice suburban neighborhood. It's astounding to see the number of cars that are stolen overnight when they're sitting in a driveway unlocked with the keys inside. Or the number of people who have their work laptops, passports, credit cards, or purses stolen from their unlocked vehicles overnight. I feel bad victim blaming, but common sense could save plenty of stolen property in many cases.

Common sense is not so common.

There are sh*tty people in this world and it behooves one to take practical steps to guard your person and valuables. No, other people's sh*tty behavior is not your fault but no need to make it easier for them either.


There's a weirdo that keeps posting here on nextdoor warning people that thieves are on the loose because they got into their unlocked car they keep in a carport.
Note they are mentioning they leave their car unlocked and furthermore they don't seem to ever think about locking their car or keeping valuables out of it. I think they just like giving stuff away. Sort of like
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2022-11-27 11:22:47 PM  

Raoul Eaton: This article usually comes after the one about the guy who had heart failure while shoveling his sidewalk and before the article about the guy who fell and broke his leg while clearing snow off his cabin roof.  At least that's how they taught it in school when I was a kid.


OMG you also took Grade 11 Com tech. High five.

That course was my Tech credit and it was probably the best class in all of high school. 10/10 - would goof off with cameras in the cemetery behind the school again.
 
2022-11-27 11:24:08 PM  

Fano: There's a weirdo that keeps posting here on nextdoor warning people that thieves are on the loose because they got into their unlocked car they keep in a carport.
Note they are mentioning they leave their car unlocked and furthermore they don't seem to ever think about locking their car or keeping valuables out of it. I think they just like giving stuff away. Sort of like


Maybe his carport is actually a honeypot and it's some kind of sting operation by the Car Police??
 
2022-11-27 11:31:00 PM  
Cue Squirrel Nut Zippers
 
2022-11-27 11:38:15 PM  

Oneiros: Manfred J. Hattan: It's actually illegal in Maryland. I don't think the police ever enforcement, but they sure remind us whenever there's a rash of thefts of warming-up cars, which there is every winter.

$1000 fine for leaving a running car unattended.  I biatched at an Amazon delivery guy for doing it just before the pandemic, as he had left his van running while he was parked on Main Street.

I think it's still a $70 fine for idling too long, even if you're in it.  Virginia and DC have laws on this, too


Oh, and for the people who think these laws are stupid... our town used the idling law to deal with a towing company who was hanging out down the block, and would swoop in the minute someone left their car.

We couldn't prove that they had a spotter (also illegal), but we could make sure they weren't idling while waiting ... which sucks in the middle of the summer when it's hot and sticky outside.

We also got them in trouble for bringing the towed vehicle to our town hall.  Yes, they're required to notify us if they towed a vehicle in town, but they're required to go straight to the storage lot after the tow, not drag it wherever they want (and make people think we were the ones authorizing the tow)

/said 'we' because I was a town commissioner at the time
 
2022-11-27 11:44:27 PM  
I was expecting it to have been hit by a meteorite with a headline like that. And for him to regret getting the meteor insurance that didn't cover meteorites.
 
2022-11-27 11:52:39 PM  
I was just gone for T-Day week, from Monday through Saturday. The house was left unlocked, as were two vehicles in the driveway. Once I feel unsafe to do that around here, it's time to move.

/neighbors always let each other know
//strangers will turn into squeely pigs fairly quick
///purdy mouth and all that
 
2022-11-27 11:53:24 PM  

DiDGr8: One of the reasons that there are "no-idling" laws is the emissions. CO poisoning is a thing. A stationary vehicle can be a death trap (even without a garage or a pipe from the exhaust to the cabin).


Yep, emissions.  The vast majority of idling laws appear to primarily target the bigger vehicles like semis and busses, with many sections specially mentioning weight and diesel. But I've also seen some addressing marine based. All of which traditionally have atrocious emissions.
 
2022-11-28 12:20:39 AM  

GloomCookie613: Thankfully I live in the sticks. But when I've warmed my car up at friends' houses I just lock it while it runs and open it with the spare in my purse 🤷🏻‍♀

Tbf though, nobody's stealing a 2004 Sunfire 🤣


You'd be surprised. Dec. '18, some jackass drilled out the door & ignition on my $500 88 S10 built from like 4 different trucks. Every scrap of copper was stripped when the 5-0 found it ditched in an alley across town. Factory cassette radio, no a/c, no power windows, shook like an orgasming epileptic getting zapped by a TASER if you went faster than 45mph.
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People will steal anything.
 
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