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2022-11-26 10:36:59 PM  
o/
 
2022-11-26 11:24:56 PM  
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2022-11-27 12:23:03 AM  
Twitter's global vice-president for public policy made the comments in a statement submitted to the High Court in Dublin when seeking an injunction to stop the company from firing her.

How is that a thing, unless you're claiming discrimination?  I've watched a hundred places be taken over by new management, that proceeds to fire members of upper and middle management, and I've never heard of a single instance of this.  None of the articles I've seen (and they are legion, because media is obsessed with both Musk and Twitter) have really spelled out the legal justification for her claim.
 
2022-11-27 1:05:19 AM  
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2022-11-27 1:32:16 AM  
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2022-11-27 1:43:14 AM  
The fascism PR people engineering this Twitter fiasco in the media are doing a great job of keeping Trump's name out of the spotlight.
 
2022-11-27 1:45:46 AM  
Seems about right. Everywhere I've seen that had a "no assholes" policy had one asshole: the guy who created the policy.
 
2022-11-27 1:46:53 AM  
If all he wants working for him is sycophants, he'll end up like that Zappos guy.
 
2022-11-27 1:53:52 AM  
When you can guess who the headline is about before reading the article, I'm not sure it says more about the person, or the people who keep making everything about the person.
 
2022-11-27 1:55:08 AM  

Naido: Twitter's global vice-president for public policy made the comments in a statement submitted to the High Court in Dublin when seeking an injunction to stop the company from firing her.

How is that a thing, unless you're claiming discrimination?  I've watched a hundred places be taken over by new management, that proceeds to fire members of upper and middle management, and I've never heard of a single instance of this.  None of the articles I've seen (and they are legion, because media is obsessed with both Musk and Twitter) have really spelled out the legal justification for her claim.


Someone who knows the situation better than I do can elaborate because I don't remember the specifics and I'm on my way to bed, but I've seen a few articles that talk about it. Long story short, EU labor laws that protect employees and that Elon has either ignored or wasn't aware of.
 
2022-11-27 2:07:45 AM  

Naido: Twitter's global vice-president for public policy made the comments in a statement submitted to the High Court in Dublin when seeking an injunction to stop the company from firing her.

How is that a thing, unless you're claiming discrimination?  I've watched a hundred places be taken over by new management, that proceeds to fire members of upper and middle management, and I've never heard of a single instance of this.  None of the articles I've seen (and they are legion, because media is obsessed with both Musk and Twitter) have really spelled out the legal justification for her claim.


Basically, in more civilized parts of the world, you can't just fire people instantly for no reason other than that you want to.  There are procedures and prior notifications and such that have to be gone through before you can legally fire someone without a good reason.
 
2022-11-27 2:11:29 AM  

Another one of them varmits: Seems about right. Everywhere I've seen that had a "no assholes" policy had one asshole: the guy who created the policy.


I remember Bill Simmons talking about having such a policy when he built The Ringer.  And for the longest time, they had zero compelling writers (as opposed to Grantland, which was overrun with them).

I think maybe when it comes to good writers, it might be worthwhile to keep a few assholes around.  Or at least, like in the olden days, send them out.  Loaded up with drugs and liquor, to the 1968 political conventions, the Kentucky Derby, Las Vegas, etc.
 
2022-11-27 2:15:57 AM  
Hmm so why does Elon Musk work there?
 
2022-11-27 2:18:42 AM  

Decorus: Hmm so why does Elon Musk work there?


Poorly. Very poorly.
 
2022-11-27 2:21:27 AM  

aerojockey: When you can guess who the headline is about before reading the article, I'm not sure it says more about the person, or the people who keep making everything about the person.


Any new thread on Fark has a one in two chance of being about Elon. He is easily the most famous person on the planet. No one can stop talking about him.
 
2022-11-27 2:46:27 AM  

Naido: Another one of them varmits: Seems about right. Everywhere I've seen that had a "no assholes" policy had one asshole: the guy who created the policy.

I remember Bill Simmons talking about having such a policy when he built The Ringer.  And for the longest time, they had zero compelling writers (as opposed to Grantland, which was overrun with them).

I think maybe when it comes to good writers, it might be worthwhile to keep a few assholes around.  Or at least, like in the olden days, send them out.  Loaded up with drugs and liquor, to the 1968 political conventions, the Kentucky Derby, Las Vegas, etc.


But wait, Bill Simmons is a huge... Never mind.
 
2022-11-27 2:48:10 AM  

Karne: Any new thread on Fark has a one in two chance of being about Elon. He is easily the most famous person on the planet. No one can stop talking about him.


You have a weird and creepy obsession with white knighting him.

That you need to tell obvious laws to do so makes it creepier.
 
2022-11-27 3:16:11 AM  

Naido: Twitter's global vice-president for public policy made the comments in a statement submitted to the High Court in Dublin when seeking an injunction to stop the company from firing her.

How is that a thing, unless you're claiming discrimination?  I've watched a hundred places be taken over by new management, that proceeds to fire members of upper and middle management, and I've never heard of a single instance of this.  None of the articles I've seen (and they are legion, because media is obsessed with both Musk and Twitter) have really spelled out the legal justification for her claim.


I assume Ireland is the same as here, as we often closely follow the UK.

Firing someone in NZ is almost impossible unless they're completely incompetent. Before you can fire someone (outside of gross misconduct) you have to give them a clear record on how they're not meeting the requirements of the role, then coach them through, assign KPIs and prove that they're not going to be able to meet the requirements of the role in a reasonable timeframe.

Only then can you give them notice.

Basically they have to do something super bad, or fail at their job.

If they're doing neither it's very difficult to "fire" a person, to remove them from their position you either have to make their life miserable legally, or make them redundant but that means you have to genuinely show that the role is no longer required (so if you immediately turn around and hire another person in that role then you're in for a world of hurt).
 
2022-11-27 3:16:13 AM  
There can be only One
And that is Elmo.
 
2022-11-27 3:18:44 AM  
If it is like NZ, even if she was grossly incompetent and wasn't meeting the requirements of the role, Elon hasn't been at Twitter long enough to have gone through the motions to get rid of her. So there's literally no way to fire her. But disbanding the office is reason enough to legitimately make her redundant.
 
2022-11-27 3:43:49 AM  
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2022-11-27 4:37:56 AM  

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Truly a visionary.
 
2022-11-27 5:12:35 AM  

LrdPhoenix: Naido: Twitter's global vice-president for public policy made the comments in a statement submitted to the High Court in Dublin when seeking an injunction to stop the company from firing her.

How is that a thing, unless you're claiming discrimination?  I've watched a hundred places be taken over by new management, that proceeds to fire members of upper and middle management, and I've never heard of a single instance of this.  None of the articles I've seen (and they are legion, because media is obsessed with both Musk and Twitter) have really spelled out the legal justification for her claim.

Basically, in more civilized parts of the world, you can't just fire people instantly for no reason other than that you want to.  There are procedures and prior notifications and such that have to be gone through before you can legally fire someone without a good reason.


My sister worked as HR in one of these locations, and it's very different from the normal farker HR horror stories most farkers here incorrectly assume is true everywhere else on the planet. She worked on a guest farm/ lodge that included safari stuff. Owners for the place were partially American and they tried to run the place in an american fashion, with the usual "your fired, get out" style. They're stil in court with the Labour dept 3 years later that's cost them 20x as much as going the normal legal route of dismissal that includes severance pay. The state labour dept here has absolutely no chill on the subject, and my sis tried informing the owners as much on many occasions, and might as well have been talking to the wall for all the good it did them.
 
2022-11-27 5:14:46 AM  
If she was one of first batch that got offered three month pay, and she was there 6 years or less it might be a good idea for her to just take that. As Twitter probably does have a case that this was because of economic reasons.  Ireland will give you 2 weeks pay per year in service.

But every contract I got offered in EU at software firms included a default much more generous redundancy clause, so that might not apply.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/unemployment_and_redundancy/redundancy/redundancy_payments.html
 
2022-11-27 5:18:00 AM  
The 'Say yes for twitter hardcore 2.0 and work 80 hours per week' email would be laughed out of court in the EU. A company can not one-sided change the terms of the contract with 36? hours notice, and firing people based on that will cost them a whole lot of money.
 
2022-11-27 5:30:12 AM  
"She said the exit package did not meet her contractual entitlements and for those who wished to remain with Twitter the terms and conditions in relation to what Mr Musk expected of them was not set out in the document"

Yeah Elon is going to learn that the EU has employee contracts that you can't just ignore.
 
2022-11-27 5:43:53 AM  

dyhchong: But disbanding the office is reason enough to legitimately make her redundant.


Certainly is, but even then there are legally mandated notice periods depending on how long you've worked there, can't just lock the doors one day and let everyone find out when they show up to work.  Even entitled to paid time off during the notice period to look for work, in addition to any outstanding paid vacation time, and if you still have vacation time left over at the end of the notice period, they have to pay you for that.
 
2022-11-27 6:07:01 AM  
Elon is a ass the likes we haven't seen since goatse, and incase he is snooping around on Fark he now knows what I think of him.
 
2022-11-27 6:56:18 AM  
This woman has worked for Irish Jucidiary, the Irish national Police Force, the Northern Ireland Police Force - all in high-ranking positions

Methinks Elon has bitten off more than he can chew.
 
2022-11-27 8:02:29 AM  

Karne: aerojockey: When you can guess who the headline is about before reading the article, I'm not sure it says more about the person, or the people who keep making everything about the person.

Any new thread on Fark has a one in two chance of being about Elon. He is easily the most famous person on the planet. No one can stop talking about him.


Nickelback was also the most played musicians on radio.
 
2022-11-27 8:39:57 AM  

dyhchong: Naido: Twitter's global vice-president for public policy made the comments in a statement submitted to the High Court in Dublin when seeking an injunction to stop the company from firing her.

How is that a thing, unless you're claiming discrimination?  I've watched a hundred places be taken over by new management, that proceeds to fire members of upper and middle management, and I've never heard of a single instance of this.  None of the articles I've seen (and they are legion, because media is obsessed with both Musk and Twitter) have really spelled out the legal justification for her claim.

I assume Ireland is the same as here, as we often closely follow the UK.

Firing someone in NZ is almost impossible unless they're completely incompetent. Before you can fire someone (outside of gross misconduct) you have to give them a clear record on how they're not meeting the requirements of the role, then coach them through, assign KPIs and prove that they're not going to be able to meet the requirements of the role in a reasonable timeframe.

Only then can you give them notice.

Basically they have to do something super bad, or fail at their job.

If they're doing neither it's very difficult to "fire" a person, to remove them from their position you either have to make their life miserable legally, or make them redundant but that means you have to genuinely show that the role is no longer required (so if you immediately turn around and hire another person in that role then you're in for a world of hurt).


You need to give two verbal warnings, and one final written warning before you can fire someone, if they've worked over six months for you, here in Ireland. We also have very strong laws protecting workers from constructive dismissal as well. I sued an employer about two decades ago, and got 12k, seemed like a fair bit at the time. The only negative I can think of is, it's a fairly slow process, but was worth it in the end, even for the vindication alone
 
2022-11-27 8:54:45 AM  

LrdPhoenix: dyhchong: But disbanding the office is reason enough to legitimately make her redundant.

Certainly is, but even then there are legally mandated notice periods depending on how long you've worked there, can't just lock the doors one day and let everyone find out when they show up to work.  Even entitled to paid time off during the notice period to look for work, in addition to any outstanding paid vacation time, and if you still have vacation time left over at the end of the notice period, they have to pay you for that.


Way back when I was in high school, the nineties, I worked at a family poorly-run pet food store. Showed up for work one day and the place was empty. There was a big truck outside and another company was moving their shiat into the store. They forgot to tell me they went out of business.
 
2022-11-27 8:57:34 AM  

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No, what is weird is that a billion people are so fragile that they need a constant audience. And, that they are relying on rich asshats like Musk to give them their fix. But, that is just me.
 
2022-11-27 9:01:40 AM  
The Elon Musk management decision process:
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2022-11-27 9:30:07 AM  
They forced him to buy twitter by court order. so he's getting his payback. Enjoi, Elon, the returns are on you.

/ they forced John Fogerty to not sound like himself, too. Courts are not logical. See Roe/Wade
// It's his company, not youre social media. If ya walk into his world, you use his rules.
///
 
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2022-11-27 9:31:37 AM  

bighairyguy: The Elon Musk management decision process:
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I think that would lead to better outcomes.
 
2022-11-27 9:54:20 AM  

mistahtom: The fascism PR people engineering this Twitter fiasco in the media are doing a great job of keeping Trump's name out of the spotlight.


Tuck Frump
 
2022-11-27 9:57:00 AM  

Karne: aerojockey: When you can guess who the headline is about before reading the article, I'm not sure it says more about the person, or the people who keep making everything about the person.

Any new thread on Fark has a one in two chance of being about Elon. He is easily the most famous person on the planet. No one can stop talking about him.


And the other thread will be about how blockchain will eat your children.

Free markets dont mean anything in merica any more
 
2022-11-27 9:58:48 AM  

Smoking GNU: LrdPhoenix: Naido: Twitter's global vice-president for public policy made the comments in a statement submitted to the High Court in Dublin when seeking an injunction to stop the company from firing her.

How is that a thing, unless you're claiming discrimination?  I've watched a hundred places be taken over by new management, that proceeds to fire members of upper and middle management, and I've never heard of a single instance of this.  None of the articles I've seen (and they are legion, because media is obsessed with both Musk and Twitter) have really spelled out the legal justification for her claim.

Basically, in more civilized parts of the world, you can't just fire people instantly for no reason other than that you want to.  There are procedures and prior notifications and such that have to be gone through before you can legally fire someone without a good reason.

My sister worked as HR in one of these locations, and it's very different from the normal farker HR horror stories most farkers here incorrectly assume is true everywhere else on the planet. She worked on a guest farm/ lodge that included safari stuff. Owners for the place were partially American and they tried to run the place in an american fashion, with the usual "your fired, get out" style. They're stil in court with the Labour dept 3 years later that's cost them 20x as much as going the normal legal route of dismissal that includes severance pay. The state labour dept here has absolutely no chill on the subject, and my sis tried informing the owners as much on many occasions, and might as well have been talking to the wall for all the good it did them.


Mericans have huge egos and think theyre going to live forever.
 
2022-11-27 10:00:04 AM  

Sebas: The 'Say yes for twitter hardcore 2.0 and work 80 hours per week' email would be laughed out of court in the EU. A company can not one-sided change the terms of the contract with 36? hours notice, and firing people based on that will cost them a whole lot of money.


The lazy sit at home stock owners dont mind labor doing 80 hr workweeks
 
2022-11-27 10:00:51 AM  

Sebas: "She said the exit package did not meet her contractual entitlements and for those who wished to remain with Twitter the terms and conditions in relation to what Mr Musk expected of them was not set out in the document"

Yeah Elon is going to learn that the EU has employee contracts that you can't just ignore.


EU has some Democracy.

In the states its the Jungle
 
2022-11-27 10:01:53 AM  

Nick el Ass: Elon is a ass the likes we haven't seen since goatse, and incase he is snooping around on Fark he now knows what I think of him.


At the minimum he has his tongue up Trumpers ass
 
2022-11-27 10:02:53 AM  

Russ1642: LrdPhoenix: dyhchong: But disbanding the office is reason enough to legitimately make her redundant.

Certainly is, but even then there are legally mandated notice periods depending on how long you've worked there, can't just lock the doors one day and let everyone find out when they show up to work.  Even entitled to paid time off during the notice period to look for work, in addition to any outstanding paid vacation time, and if you still have vacation time left over at the end of the notice period, they have to pay you for that.

Way back when I was in high school, the nineties, I worked at a family poorly-run pet food store. Showed up for work one day and the place was empty. There was a big truck outside and another company was moving their shiat into the store. They forgot to tell me they went out of business.


Merica
 
2022-11-27 10:12:18 AM  

Karne: aerojockey: When you can guess who the headline is about before reading the article, I'm not sure it says more about the person, or the people who keep making everything about the person.

Any new thread on Fark has a one in two chance of being about Elon. He is easily the most famous person on the planet. No one can stop talking about him.


Hitler was in a similar position around the time he blew his own brains out.
Being famous isn't always good.
 
2022-11-27 10:15:37 AM  

Linux_Yes: Nick el Ass: Elon is a ass the likes we haven't seen since goatse, and incase he is snooping around on Fark he now knows what I think of him.

At the minimum he has his tongue up Trumpers ass


What a great way to get covid!
 
2022-11-27 10:19:16 AM  
Explains the dumpster full of broken mirrors out back
 
2022-11-27 10:21:35 AM  
At this point it seems Elos is going the Burns/Trump route of having so many legal challenges to him up in the air, none can really get through, effectively making him immune to the law.
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2022-11-27 10:28:45 AM  
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2022-11-27 10:29:49 AM  
Elmo has positioned himself as the patron Saint of assholes.  This is about as far as any idealistic and principled free speech advocate makes it before reality starts punching them in the dick.
 
2022-11-27 10:32:46 AM  
All of us?
 
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