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2022-11-26 11:09:39 PM  
Is there any missile-defense there?
 
2022-11-26 11:11:21 PM  
That little bit of comfort would go a long way in a blacked out city.

The Ukrainian government really does care about its people.
 
2022-11-26 11:19:50 PM  
Got 75 bucks american to keep it going
Keep the faith
 
2022-11-26 11:21:08 PM  
Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)
 
2022-11-26 11:22:06 PM  
These people just keep on being amazing.
 
2022-11-26 11:23:15 PM  

GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)


I believe Elon decided that he was going to start charging them for the service recently, now that they are dependent on him, rather than providing the service for free like he had been doing.
 
2022-11-26 11:23:46 PM  
It was nice to see that Canada had helped with that. Remember to purchase some Ukraine Sovereignty Bonds.
 
2022-11-26 11:26:08 PM  
Dang, I wouldn't be using anything Elon if I were a Ukrainian. You know that he's butt buddies with Putin.
 
2022-11-26 11:30:00 PM  

GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)


You can be a colossal dick, but have played a role in some useful technology. No one's a big fan of Edison either.
 
2022-11-26 11:37:16 PM  

trerro: GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)

You can be a colossal dick, but have played a role in some useful technology. No one's a big fan of Edison either.


I'm not sure what the 21st century equivalent of 'electrifying a live elephant to prove a point' would be, but I could totally see Musk doing it.
 
2022-11-26 11:40:36 PM  

Neondistraction: trerro: GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)

You can be a colossal dick, but have played a role in some useful technology. No one's a big fan of Edison either.

I'm not sure what the 21st century equivalent of 'electrifying a live elephant to prove a point' would be, but I could totally see Musk doing it.


Crashing a Tesla truck into an elephant to prove how tough it is.
 
2022-11-26 11:50:02 PM  
Ukrainians do war like nobody's business. Did Russia think they were going to WIN this war?
 
2022-11-26 11:50:03 PM  

winedrinkingman: GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)

I believe Elon decided that he was going to start charging them for the service recently, now that they are dependent on him, rather than providing the service for free like he had been doing.


They had been paying for access. When Musk had his hissy fot, a number of Ukrainians started posting their bills in response and asking wtf had they been paying for, then.
 
2022-11-26 11:52:27 PM  

GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)


I'm not a big fan of Edison, but my lights are on. I'm not happy with Eli Whitney, but I'm wearing clothes.

You can't stop using a product because the inventor is an asshat.

I mean, I presume you're not living in a cave and posting your missives via smoke signals, so you must be okay with asshole industrialists, you know?
 
2022-11-26 11:53:49 PM  

Neondistraction: trerro: GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)

You can be a colossal dick, but have played a role in some useful technology. No one's a big fan of Edison either.

I'm not sure what the 21st century equivalent of 'electrifying a live elephant to prove a point' would be, but I could totally see Musk doing it.


To be fair, Topsy was a dangerous elephant. She had killed a guy in her previous circus and was going to be put down anyway. They were also strangling her and using poison.

But Edison is still an even bigger asshole than just her killer because he was on a nation wide tour killing animals with AC to discredit Tesla's work.

Musk is a super villain and a terrible CEO, but he isn't putting meat out on an electric plate and waiting for stray dogs to step on it... i think.
 
2022-11-26 11:53:55 PM  
This isn't about Elon farking Musk.  It's about Ukrainians and their indomitable spirit.
 
2022-11-26 11:55:12 PM  

Saturn5: This isn't about Elon farking Musk.  It's about Ukrainians and their indomitable spirit.


Like I said: Did Russia think they would WIN this war? There's more food and comfort in that one shelter than those poor Russki soldiers have in their whole army.
 
2022-11-26 11:56:35 PM  

Saturn5: This isn't about Elon farking Musk.  It's about Ukrainians and their indomitable spirit.


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2022-11-26 11:56:38 PM  

Ivo Shandor: It was nice to see that Canada had helped with that. Remember to purchase some Ukraine Sovereignty Bonds.


Can Americans buy them?
 
2022-11-27 12:06:38 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Ukrainians do war like nobody's business. Did Russia think they were going to WIN this war?


Russia figured it would be over in three days, and that the biggest delay would be the  driving time from the Russian border to Kyiv, with Ukraine cowering in the basement hiding from the might of the Russian army and simply retreat. Remember that Russia took Crimea with next to no resistance in 2014.

The difference is that the current invasion was NOT a total surprise, and Russia seemingly missed the part where Ukraine spend the past 8 years preparing themselves to explicitly keep Russia from stealing more of their territory.
 
2022-11-27 12:08:09 AM  

ProfessorTerguson: Ivo Shandor: It was nice to see that Canada had helped with that. Remember to purchase some Ukraine Sovereignty Bonds.

Can Americans buy them?


Maybe. The site says:

The sale of the Ukraine Sovereignty Bond will be subject to securities laws applicable in your jurisdiction if you are outside of Canada. Should you be an investor outside Canada and interested in supporting Ukraine through Canada's Ukraine Sovereignty Bond, we suggest you contact a financial institution in your jurisdiction to express your interest.
 
2022-11-27 12:09:02 AM  
god this is farked
 
2022-11-27 12:11:07 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Saturn5: This isn't about Elon farking Musk.  It's about Ukrainians and their indomitable spirit.

Like I said: Did Russia think they would WIN this war? There's more food and comfort in that one shelter than those poor Russki soldiers have in their whole army.


The USSR's military was more formidable, but on paper the Russian military ability still looked pretty well ready to   do superpower stuff like the old days albeit at a reduced scale. I could see Russia succeeding in that initial invasion if it was just from  the info we had at that point .

Now we know they're absolute clownshoes. They have been running out of men, weapons, and supplies recently, but how were they unable to supply even that initial wave of troops so close to the border? Their logistics aren't functioning very well.

It's going to be a cold winter for those conscripts.
 
2022-11-27 12:14:33 AM  

Neondistraction: trerro: GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)

You can be a colossal dick, but have played a role in some useful technology. No one's a big fan of Edison either.

I'm not sure what the 21st century equivalent of 'electrifying a live elephant to prove a point' would be, but I could totally see Musk doing it.


Except Edison never did that.
 
2022-11-27 12:15:03 AM  
Nice story, I want to support this
 
2022-11-27 12:19:26 AM  

moothemagiccow: god this is farked


I know, right? Who puts ketchup on ramen noodles?!?!
 
2022-11-27 12:19:57 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Gyrfalcon: Saturn5: This isn't about Elon farking Musk.  It's about Ukrainians and their indomitable spirit.

Like I said: Did Russia think they would WIN this war? There's more food and comfort in that one shelter than those poor Russki soldiers have in their whole army.

The USSR's military was more formidable, but on paper the Russian military ability still looked pretty well ready to   do superpower stuff like the old days albeit at a reduced scale. I could see Russia succeeding in that initial invasion if it was just from  the info we had at that point .

Now we know they're absolute clownshoes. They have been running out of men, weapons, and supplies recently, but how were they unable to supply even that initial wave of troops so close to the border? Their logistics aren't functioning very well.

It's going to be a cold winter for those conscripts.


Sources linked into the daily war thread has experts on the situation saying, with regards to the quality and quantity of equipment available to them, that the russian army could lose up to 100k troops due to winter exposure only. We've already seen several drone camera vids of whole squads and bigger amounts of russian troops apparently dying of hypothermia, huddled in a group up against a ruined building wall, no apparent shelter or anything.
 
2022-11-27 12:20:24 AM  

leeksfromchichis: It's going to be a cold winter for those conscripts.


Unfortunately, that will just mean that they'll loot, pillage anything they aren't getting from the Russian supply lines: food, clothing, fuel, electronics, and anything that will burn for warmth, farking over the remaining Ukrainian population even further.
 
2022-11-27 12:30:59 AM  

Excelsior: leeksfromchichis: It's going to be a cold winter for those conscripts.

Unfortunately, that will just mean that they'll loot, pillage anything they aren't getting from the Russian supply lines: food, clothing, fuel, electronics, and anything that will burn for warmth, farking over the remaining Ukrainian population even further.


Unfortunately.  Hopefully the Ukrainian military keep routing them.
 
2022-11-27 12:52:16 AM  
Meanwhile, the Russian conscripts are busy building shelters out of Saran Wrap and eating bark. Even bombed halfway to hell Ukraine is a better place to live than Russia.
 
2022-11-27 12:54:55 AM  

Excelsior: leeksfromchichis: It's going to be a cold winter for those conscripts.

Unfortunately, that will just mean that they'll loot, pillage anything they aren't getting from the Russian supply lines: food, clothing, fuel, electronics, and anything that will burn for warmth, farking over the remaining Ukrainian population even further.


They'll try, but when you are cold, lethargy really takes hold like a son of a biatch. You can't half-ass winter military operations.  It's be prepared or die of exposure.
 
2022-11-27 1:06:46 AM  
Well that was heartwarming. Sucks that there even needs to be something like this but damn, what a way to keep moral up.
 
2022-11-27 1:17:16 AM  

Excelsior: leeksfromchichis: It's going to be a cold winter for those conscripts.

Unfortunately, that will just mean that they'll loot, pillage anything they aren't getting from the Russian supply lines: food, clothing, fuel, electronics, and anything that will burn for warmth, farking over the remaining Ukrainian population even further.


True, they will attempt to do so.  Issue is, there is only so much you can loot that's useful for a soldier.  And you can only steal it once.
Quick foods will be stolen.  Food that requires a high degree of preparation isn't useful, as fires are being targeted by enemy forces, unless you enjoy eating bombs dropped from drones.
Clothing has to fit to keep you warm.  Most of the Russian army is made up of men.  So children's and women's clothing isn't going to fit, so you have limited options on what can be stolen.
Automotive fuel can be stolen.  Natural gas used in home heating isn't that useful.
 
2022-11-27 1:20:46 AM  

big pig peaches: Neondistraction: trerro: GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)

You can be a colossal dick, but have played a role in some useful technology. No one's a big fan of Edison either.

I'm not sure what the 21st century equivalent of 'electrifying a live elephant to prove a point' would be, but I could totally see Musk doing it.

Except Edison never did that.


No, he didn't kill Topsy, just all the stray dogs they could find.
 
2022-11-27 1:34:04 AM  
...is no one going to talk about the ramen noodles + ketchup + vienna sausages?  i have some very mixed feelings about that
 
2022-11-27 1:39:42 AM  

kwirlkarphys: ...is no one going to talk about the ramen noodles + ketchup + vienna sausages?  i have some very mixed feelings about that


It's war. He would probably have better dining options if the orcs weren't sending high explosives in his direction every day.
 
2022-11-27 1:42:10 AM  

winedrinkingman: GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)

I believe Elon decided that he was going to start charging them for the service recently, now that they are dependent on him, rather than providing the service for free like he had been doing.



That did not happen.
 
2022-11-27 1:49:08 AM  

Ivo Shandor: kwirlkarphys: ...is no one going to talk about the ramen noodles + ketchup + vienna sausages?  i have some very mixed feelings about that

It's war. He would probably have better dining options if the orcs weren't sending high explosives in his direction every day.


It's also a thing some people just do voluntarily.
 
2022-11-27 2:08:58 AM  

kwirlkarphys: ...is no one going to talk about the ramen noodles + ketchup + vienna sausages?  i have some very mixed feelings about that


It's just a regional / cultural thing.

/ He might not feed some of the dishes we like to his dog.
 
2022-11-27 2:13:52 AM  

moothemagiccow: god this is farked


The ramen with ketchup and sausage?
Or that he goes by "Starsky" and his dog is "Hutch"?
 
2022-11-27 2:21:54 AM  

Neondistraction: trerro: GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)

You can be a colossal dick, but have played a role in some useful technology. No one's a big fan of Edison either.

I'm not sure what the 21st century equivalent of 'electrifying a live elephant to prove a point' would be, but I could totally see Musk doing it.


Trying to showboat and bully your way around a complex underground rescue operation without any relevant expertise whatsoever, then calling a genuine rescuer "pedo guy" is right up there.
 
2022-11-27 2:22:44 AM  

Gyrfalcon: GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)

I'm not a big fan of Edison, but my lights are on. I'm not happy with Eli Whitney, but I'm wearing clothes.

You can't stop using a product because the inventor is an asshat.

I mean, I presume you're not living in a cave and posting your missives via smoke signals, so you must be okay with asshole industrialists, you know?


"I'm wearing clothes" isn't the humble-brag you think it is around here.
 
2022-11-27 2:26:42 AM  

OrionXVI: Excelsior: leeksfromchichis: It's going to be a cold winter for those conscripts.

Unfortunately, that will just mean that they'll loot, pillage anything they aren't getting from the Russian supply lines: food, clothing, fuel, electronics, and anything that will burn for warmth, farking over the remaining Ukrainian population even further.

True, they will attempt to do so.  Issue is, there is only so much you can loot that's useful for a soldier.  And you can only steal it once.
Quick foods will be stolen.  Food that requires a high degree of preparation isn't useful, as fires are being targeted by enemy forces, unless you enjoy eating bombs dropped from drones.
Clothing has to fit to keep you warm.  Most of the Russian army is made up of men.  So children's and women's clothing isn't going to fit, so you have limited options on what can be stolen.
Automotive fuel can be stolen.  Natural gas used in home heating isn't that useful.


You credit the Russian troops with too much rationality.  We have seen it demonstrated over and over again that some of them will steal almost literally anything, including stuff like appliances they have no way to transport home.
 
2022-11-27 2:27:48 AM  

studebaker hoch: winedrinkingman: GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)

I believe Elon decided that he was going to start charging them for the service recently, now that they are dependent on him, rather than providing the service for free like he had been doing.

That did not happen.


He DID announce exactly that, then back peddled the second he got the obvious backlash:

October 14:
Musk threatens to stop funding Starlink internet Ukraine relies on in war
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/14/ukraine-elon-musk-starlink-ambassador-andrij-melnyk/

October 15:
"Oopsies, Nevermind"
https://www.engadget.com/elon-musk-spacex-keep-funding-ukraine-starlink-satellite-internet-075616416.html
 
2022-11-27 2:42:59 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Ukrainians do war like nobody's business. Did Russia think they were going to WIN this war?


Well they did teach the rooskies everything they know ...
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just sayin'
 
2022-11-27 3:14:20 AM  

Excelsior: studebaker hoch: winedrinkingman: GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)

I believe Elon decided that he was going to start charging them for the service recently, now that they are dependent on him, rather than providing the service for free like he had been doing.

That did not happen.

He DID announce exactly that, then back peddled the second he got the obvious backlash:

October 14:
Musk threatens to stop funding Starlink internet Ukraine relies on in war
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/14/ukraine-elon-musk-starlink-ambassador-andrij-melnyk/

October 15:
"Oopsies, Nevermind"
https://www.engadget.com/elon-musk-spacex-keep-funding-ukraine-starlink-satellite-internet-075616416.html



So, you knew better but tried to spread a falsehood anyway?

How does that make you anything but a troll?
 
2022-11-27 3:18:45 AM  

winedrinkingman: GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)

I believe Elon decided that he was going to start charging them for the service recently, now that they are dependent on him, rather than providing the service for free like he had been doing.


He was already getting paid. He just decided after they were dependent on him that he wanted to be paid more
 
2022-11-27 3:19:44 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Neondistraction: trerro: GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)

You can be a colossal dick, but have played a role in some useful technology. No one's a big fan of Edison either.

I'm not sure what the 21st century equivalent of 'electrifying a live elephant to prove a point' would be, but I could totally see Musk doing it.

Crashing a Tesla truck into an elephant to prove how tough it is.


The elephant? Very tough
 
2022-11-27 3:21:50 AM  

Excelsior: leeksfromchichis: It's going to be a cold winter for those conscripts.

Unfortunately, that will just mean that they'll loot, pillage anything they aren't getting from the Russian supply lines: food, clothing, fuel, electronics, and anything that will burn for warmth, farking over the remaining Ukrainian population even further.


They were doing that anyway
 
2022-11-27 3:26:25 AM  

Gyrfalcon: GreenSun: Starlink, I thought everybody hated Elon Musk? ;)

I'm not a big fan of Edison, but my lights are on. I'm not happy with Eli Whitney, but I'm wearing clothes.

You can't stop using a product because the inventor is an asshat.

I mean, I presume you're not living in a cave and posting your missives via smoke signals, so you must be okay with asshole industrialists, you know?


That only happens if the fundamentals of a market economy have been completely farked by predatory monopolists and there is gross regulatory capture to prevent competition. Surely that could never happen in an advanced economy like the United States!!!!!

/  It happened
// We celebrate it now and shower the people who do it with money
///Everyone from Adam Smith to Dwight Eisenhower warned us
 
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