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2022-11-26 5:37:37 PM  
Snow making is nothing new
 
2022-11-26 5:50:00 PM  
I'd say it's not unusual for the Mpls/StP area to not have snow enough to ski on this time of year, but it is the first time I've heard of anyone making snow for XC skiing.
 
2022-11-26 6:02:23 PM  
They use snow machines inside of U.S. Bank Stadium where the Vikings play. I guess dome teams aren't allowed to fireworks inside anymore after an "incident" a few years back. I suppose it's better than confetti since there's no clean up but it seems kinda silly to me. Just do a laser show or something like they do in Hockey and BBall

TOUCHDOWN VIKINGS! The celebration snow will be falling in about 5 minutes!
 
2022-11-26 6:04:20 PM  
When there is open water that hasn't frozen over on Lake Mille Lacs during Christmas break - you might sense that something ain't quite right...
 
2022-11-26 6:08:35 PM  
Haven't skied lately, but artificial snow seems as good as the real thing -- hell, it's made of the same stuff. But if the temperature conditions are consistently shiatty, well then any snow surface is going to suck, depending on your preferences. And that's what we're up against with AGW.

CSB: The Midwest has had full 'resort' night skiing since many years ago. (Skiers in the Rockies in the 80s looked at me funny when I mentioned how we loved it as kids.) One year, while heading up the chair lift at wooded Alpine Valley, at night, my bud says "Let's ski down that closed run with the snowmaking guns running!"  Being the Midwest, these are short, safe, and mild runs; a decent skier zooms down them in under a minute.  I took the dare, and we snuck over to the next run -- it had multiple snow guns but no lights on. As we took off, a ski patroller yelled "Hey, where are you guys going???" That was a real thrill ride in the dark blizzard, especially when I lost my stomach on an unseen drop. At the bottom we snuck around as inconspicuously as possible, and skated away without having our tickets pulled.  Night skiing is cold, but quite beautiful in wooded terrain.  /end CSB
 
2022-11-26 6:11:24 PM  
If you want the effects of climate change in Minnesota there are two very good ones:
Planting season is over 20 days earlier since the 1970s

Winters are too warm, giving additional time for insect/beetle activity which has been devastating the forests which cover 20% of the state.
 
2022-11-26 6:11:25 PM  
Been living in the upper Midwest for the past 10 years.

I would bet money that snowy winters will cease to exist, even up here, within the next 30 years.

When I was in middle school, there was a week where it snowed nonstop between Monday and Friday. 2+ feet of snow per day.

Contrast that to now, where there hasn't been a snowfall above 7 inches since I've moved here.
 
2022-11-26 6:15:18 PM  

Mad Canadian: When there is open water that hasn't frozen over on Lake Mille Lacs during Christmas break - you might sense that something ain't quite right...


Grew up at/on Lake Mendota, Madison, Wisc... median freeze over date is Dec 20th.  But can happen later into Jan.

Way cool to see it/ hear it/ wake up the next morning to see the sheet of ice!

https://blog.limnology.wisc.edu/2021/01/07/where-does-lake-mendotas-freeze-date-fall-in-historic-average/
 
2022-11-26 6:16:39 PM  
Obviously you can't draw any conclusions from it, but it's been freakishly nice this "winter." It's usually brutally cold, but this year it's been about 70 for weeks and weeks.
 
2022-11-26 6:18:37 PM  
Up here in the Smoky Mountains visiting and roaring waters usually running are running slow. Hey Earth, get your shiat together.
 
2022-11-26 6:21:34 PM  
I know I'm not focused on the point, but where is subby from that they think people are paying to "see" snow? It's meant to fuel snow-based activities.

With that in mind most places that facilitate such snow-based activities have means of producing artificial snow and have to lean on them at times during each winter
 
2022-11-26 6:24:52 PM  

weddingsinger: If you want the effects of climate change in Minnesota there are two very good ones:
Planting season is over 20 days earlier since the 1970s

Winters are too warm, giving additional time for insect/beetle activity which has been devastating the forests which cover 20% of the state.


That sounds like one very good one and one very bad one
 
2022-11-26 6:25:00 PM  
This headline shows a severe misunderstanding of "global warming," which is a real thing, but it does not mean that everything is going to get warmer evenly at the same time.

Chaos theory says that sudden changes (2 degrees Fahrenheit) over a short period of time (150 years) in large systems (global weather) result in instability in the system.  After that the system stabilizes at a new equilibrium, which might take a long time.

There might no be snow in Minnesota this year, or there might be severe sudden blizzards. There was snow on the ground for a week in Austin TX in February, 2020, which was a new thing, but that was because of Trump, right subby?
 
2022-11-26 6:26:20 PM  

Likwit: Obviously you can't draw any conclusions from it, but it's been freakishly nice this "winter." It's usually brutally cold, but this year it's been about 70 for weeks and weeks.


It's fall
 
2022-11-26 6:27:52 PM  

Jedbone: Haven't skied lately, but artificial snow seems as good as the real thing -- hell, it's made of the same stuff. But if the temperature conditions are consistently shiatty, well then any snow surface is going to suck, depending on your preferences. And that's what we're up against with AGW.

CSB: The Midwest has had full 'resort' night skiing since many years ago. (Skiers in the Rockies in the 80s looked at me funny when I mentioned how we loved it as kids.) One year, while heading up the chair lift at wooded Alpine Valley, at night, my bud says "Let's ski down that closed run with the snowmaking guns running!"  Being the Midwest, these are short, safe, and mild runs; a decent skier zooms down them in under a minute.  I took the dare, and we snuck over to the next run -- it had multiple snow guns but no lights on. As we took off, a ski patroller yelled "Hey, where are you guys going???" That was a real thrill ride in the dark blizzard, especially when I lost my stomach on an unseen drop. At the bottom we snuck around as inconspicuously as possible, and skated away without having our tickets pulled.  Night skiing is cold, but quite beautiful in wooded terrain.  /end CSB


As a fellow midwesterner I appreciate that story
 
2022-11-26 6:29:56 PM  
Winters are quite noticeably different the last 30 years here. Much less snow, far warmer average temps, and crazy spells of days and days of warm stuff. It only takes one warm day to deteriorate the ground for winter sports, unless you have a huge base underneath, and that ain't happenin'. It is more convenient for working, driving, and all the normal malarkey.  But it can be so ugly and messy, and forget about doing the fun stuff. When a decent snow comes, it's often so warm that it's a sloppy mess and makes everything harder - walking, shoveling, snowblowing, etc.  Plows tear up the warm ground, blower chutes clog up with the heavy wet snow, tires spin in the slop. When it's consistently 25°F or less, all is well, believe it or not. Anything above 30 brings the struggles. Then, after busting your ass at 5:30 in the AM before work, it all melts after 3-5 days, leaving a muddy mess!  Once again, forget about winter sports.  I hate it so much, but I'm a fossil fuel burner too (but investing in green energy). Trying to give my boys a taste of winter fun before it's all gone.
 
2022-11-26 6:33:11 PM  
With no large bodies of water to the west, and no mountains to squeeze out precipitation, significant snowfall is really hit or miss in the Twin Cities area.

Brown Christmases and the corresponding warmer weather that a lack of snow brings aren't uncommon at all.

And while a snowless landscape might look depressing, the lower heating bills make it all worthwhile.
 
2022-11-26 6:42:50 PM  

chitownmike: Likwit: Obviously you can't draw any conclusions from it, but it's been freakishly nice this "winter." It's usually brutally cold, but this year it's been about 70 for weeks and weeks.

It's fall


Last year it was in the 40s and we'd had a dusting of snow by now. This year I've been walking around in shorts and t-shirts. I'm looking at pictures now and the kids are in big puffy coats and beanies.

Again. Can't draw any conclusions from it, but this is a weird year.
 
2022-11-26 6:50:52 PM  
Last rant: When I was a kid in the 70s near Chicago, the snow hit in November, ground cover stayed solid, and wasn't fully gone until April. Quite seriously, you would almost forget what grass looked like -- the only time I'd actually see it during winter was when I'd scrape into it while shoveling the driveway or sidewalk. "Look at that, greenish grass!"

Most of the time in winter, grass was the just the place where you'd dump the excess snow you shoveled.
 
2022-11-26 8:11:38 PM  
Imhofe was awarded all of their snow by winning CPAC Clown last year.

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2022-11-26 8:20:40 PM  
Joni Mitchell warned us.
 
2022-11-26 8:54:39 PM  

Likwit: chitownmike: Likwit: Obviously you can't draw any conclusions from it, but it's been freakishly nice this "winter." It's usually brutally cold, but this year it's been about 70 for weeks and weeks.

It's fall

Last year it was in the 40s and we'd had a dusting of snow by now. This year I've been walking around in shorts and t-shirts. I'm looking at pictures now and the kids are in big puffy coats and beanies.

Again. Can't draw any conclusions from it, but this is a weird year.


That's great. Winter starts Dec 20th
 
2022-11-26 9:02:26 PM  

bluejeansonfire: Been living in the upper Midwest for the past 10 years.

I would bet money that snowy winters will cease to exist, even up here, within the next 30 years.

When I was in middle school, there was a week where it snowed nonstop between Monday and Friday. 2+ feet of snow per day.

Contrast that to now, where there hasn't been a snowfall above 7 inches since I've moved here.


2+ feet of snow a day Monday and Friday per day? You are a farking liar.
 
2022-11-26 9:13:09 PM  

RandyJohnson: bluejeansonfire: Been living in the upper Midwest for the past 10 years.

I would bet money that snowy winters will cease to exist, even up here, within the next 30 years.

When I was in middle school, there was a week where it snowed nonstop between Monday and Friday. 2+ feet of snow per day.

Contrast that to now, where there hasn't been a snowfall above 7 inches since I've moved here.

2+ feet of snow a day Monday and Friday per day? You are a farking liar.


Cool, why post anything at all on the internet, then? Apparently anyone can just call me a "f*cking liar" for posting a  relevant story from my childhood.
 
2022-11-26 9:45:34 PM  

chitownmike: Likwit: chitownmike: Likwit: Obviously you can't draw any conclusions from it, but it's been freakishly nice this "winter." It's usually brutally cold, but this year it's been about 70 for weeks and weeks.

It's fall

Last year it was in the 40s and we'd had a dusting of snow by now. This year I've been walking around in shorts and t-shirts. I'm looking at pictures now and the kids are in big puffy coats and beanies.

Again. Can't draw any conclusions from it, but this is a weird year.

That's great. Winter starts Dec 20th


The solstice is midwinter.
 
2022-11-26 9:47:37 PM  
Global warming is a real thing but areas at latitudes south of European beach vacation spots using artificial snow in the autumn a month before winter starts isn't alarming.
 
2022-11-26 9:49:01 PM  

iron de havilland: chitownmike: Likwit: chitownmike: Likwit: Obviously you can't draw any conclusions from it, but it's been freakishly nice this "winter." It's usually brutally cold, but this year it's been about 70 for weeks and weeks.

It's fall

Last year it was in the 40s and we'd had a dusting of snow by now. This year I've been walking around in shorts and t-shirts. I'm looking at pictures now and the kids are in big puffy coats and beanies.

Again. Can't draw any conclusions from it, but this is a weird year.

That's great. Winter starts Dec 20th

The solstice is midwinter.


The solstice is the start of winter. In the Midwest, we rarely even get snow that sticks prior to mid December.
 
2022-11-26 9:50:17 PM  

iron de havilland: chitownmike: Likwit: chitownmike: Likwit: Obviously you can't draw any conclusions from it, but it's been freakishly nice this "winter." It's usually brutally cold, but this year it's been about 70 for weeks and weeks.

It's fall

Last year it was in the 40s and we'd had a dusting of snow by now. This year I've been walking around in shorts and t-shirts. I'm looking at pictures now and the kids are in big puffy coats and beanies.

Again. Can't draw any conclusions from it, but this is a weird year.

That's great. Winter starts Dec 20th

The solstice is midwinter.


Honestly, this is so farking ignorant. Do you really think that October 15th and February 15th regularly have similar weather?
 
2022-11-26 9:50:39 PM  

meanmutton: iron de havilland: chitownmike: Likwit: chitownmike: Likwit: Obviously you can't draw any conclusions from it, but it's been freakishly nice this "winter." It's usually brutally cold, but this year it's been about 70 for weeks and weeks.

It's fall

Last year it was in the 40s and we'd had a dusting of snow by now. This year I've been walking around in shorts and t-shirts. I'm looking at pictures now and the kids are in big puffy coats and beanies.

Again. Can't draw any conclusions from it, but this is a weird year.

That's great. Winter starts Dec 20th

The solstice is midwinter.

The solstice is the start of winter. In the Midwest, we rarely even get snow that sticks prior to mid December.


It's midwinter because that's what it's traditionally known as, and it marks the return of light.
 
2022-11-26 9:51:54 PM  

meanmutton: iron de havilland: chitownmike: Likwit: chitownmike: Likwit: Obviously you can't draw any conclusions from it, but it's been freakishly nice this "winter." It's usually brutally cold, but this year it's been about 70 for weeks and weeks.

It's fall

Last year it was in the 40s and we'd had a dusting of snow by now. This year I've been walking around in shorts and t-shirts. I'm looking at pictures now and the kids are in big puffy coats and beanies.

Again. Can't draw any conclusions from it, but this is a weird year.

That's great. Winter starts Dec 20th

The solstice is midwinter.

Honestly, this is so farking ignorant. Do you really think that October 15th and February 15th regularly have similar weather?


Where I am? Yes.
 
2022-11-26 9:54:41 PM  

iron de havilland: meanmutton: iron de havilland: chitownmike: Likwit: chitownmike: Likwit: Obviously you can't draw any conclusions from it, but it's been freakishly nice this "winter." It's usually brutally cold, but this year it's been about 70 for weeks and weeks.

It's fall

Last year it was in the 40s and we'd had a dusting of snow by now. This year I've been walking around in shorts and t-shirts. I'm looking at pictures now and the kids are in big puffy coats and beanies.

Again. Can't draw any conclusions from it, but this is a weird year.

That's great. Winter starts Dec 20th

The solstice is midwinter.

The solstice is the start of winter. In the Midwest, we rarely even get snow that sticks prior to mid December.

It's midwinter because that's what it's traditionally known as, and it marks the return of light.


Nowhere at no time has considered Dec 20th (give or take) to be "midwinter".
 
2022-11-26 9:54:58 PM  

iron de havilland: meanmutton: iron de havilland: chitownmike: Likwit: chitownmike: Likwit: Obviously you can't draw any conclusions from it, but it's been freakishly nice this "winter." It's usually brutally cold, but this year it's been about 70 for weeks and weeks.

It's fall

Last year it was in the 40s and we'd had a dusting of snow by now. This year I've been walking around in shorts and t-shirts. I'm looking at pictures now and the kids are in big puffy coats and beanies.

Again. Can't draw any conclusions from it, but this is a weird year.

That's great. Winter starts Dec 20th

The solstice is midwinter.

Honestly, this is so farking ignorant. Do you really think that October 15th and February 15th regularly have similar weather?

Where I am? Yes.


Where do you love? Because bullshiat.
 
2022-11-26 9:57:22 PM  

meanmutton: iron de havilland: meanmutton: iron de havilland: chitownmike: Likwit: chitownmike: Likwit: Obviously you can't draw any conclusions from it, but it's been freakishly nice this "winter." It's usually brutally cold, but this year it's been about 70 for weeks and weeks.

It's fall

Last year it was in the 40s and we'd had a dusting of snow by now. This year I've been walking around in shorts and t-shirts. I'm looking at pictures now and the kids are in big puffy coats and beanies.

Again. Can't draw any conclusions from it, but this is a weird year.

That's great. Winter starts Dec 20th

The solstice is midwinter.

Honestly, this is so farking ignorant. Do you really think that October 15th and February 15th regularly have similar weather?

Where I am? Yes.

Where do you love? Because bullshiat.


Never mind, I checked your profile. Where you live in Scotland, the average lows in October exceed the average highs in February.
 
2022-11-26 9:58:27 PM  

iron de havilland: chitownmike: Likwit: chitownmike: Likwit: Obviously you can't draw any conclusions from it, but it's been freakishly nice this "winter." It's usually brutally cold, but this year it's been about 70 for weeks and weeks.

It's fall

Last year it was in the 40s and we'd had a dusting of snow by now. This year I've been walking around in shorts and t-shirts. I'm looking at pictures now and the kids are in big puffy coats and beanies.

Again. Can't draw any conclusions from it, but this is a weird year.

That's great. Winter starts Dec 20th

The solstice is midwinter.


Farking where?

Snow doesn't generally show up much before Christmas in much of the US. Peak winter is February across much of the Mid-West and Mid-Atlantic.
 
2022-11-26 10:06:23 PM  

meanmutton: iron de havilland: meanmutton: iron de havilland: chitownmike: Likwit: chitownmike: Likwit: Obviously you can't draw any conclusions from it, but it's been freakishly nice this "winter." It's usually brutally cold, but this year it's been about 70 for weeks and weeks.

It's fall

Last year it was in the 40s and we'd had a dusting of snow by now. This year I've been walking around in shorts and t-shirts. I'm looking at pictures now and the kids are in big puffy coats and beanies.

Again. Can't draw any conclusions from it, but this is a weird year.

That's great. Winter starts Dec 20th

The solstice is midwinter.

The solstice is the start of winter. In the Midwest, we rarely even get snow that sticks prior to mid December.

It's midwinter because that's what it's traditionally known as, and it marks the return of light.

Nowhere at no time has considered Dec 20th (give or take) to be "midwinter".


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwinter

Why do you thing we have feasts like Christmas, Yule and Saturnalia around the time? It marks the ending of the darkening and hearkens the coming spring.

meanmutton: Never mind, I checked your profile. Where you live in Scotland, the average lows in October exceed the average highs in February.


Yeah, the average temp between Oct and Feb differ by 5.2 degrees.

But meteorologists also use different definitions of seasons than astronomers, too.
 
2022-11-27 12:01:13 AM  
Global warming is the biggest scam ever. And there are hoards of useful idiots just asking to be sheared of their disposable income to make things "better"
 
2022-11-27 12:23:05 AM  
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/Or just straight up derp, I guess.
 
2022-11-27 12:50:20 AM  
Oregon, Willamette Valley, the winters have been about the same the past 30 years. "Maybe" 6" snow in Nov. or maybe 6" in Feb. or maybe both or neither.  Lasts about a week then gone.  Been this way for as long as I can remember.
It is the summers that have changed. Shorter. Wetter. Colder.
We got maybe 45-60 days of summer weather this year. Not the 90ish that we have had historically. Usually mid-July to mid-Oct is really nice weather. This year it sucked.
Also, while the duration of crappy weather has increased, the volume of precipitation has decreased. Leading to droughts and increased wildfires.
 
2022-11-27 1:08:30 AM  

BigGrnEggGriller: Global warming is the biggest scam ever. And there are hoards of useful idiots just asking to be sheared of their disposable income to make things "better"


Yeah. And don't get me started on those globe earth idiots. 😐
 
2022-11-27 1:21:47 AM  

bluejeansonfire: RandyJohnson: bluejeansonfire: Been living in the upper Midwest for the past 10 years.

I would bet money that snowy winters will cease to exist, even up here, within the next 30 years.

When I was in middle school, there was a week where it snowed nonstop between Monday and Friday. 2+ feet of snow per day.

Contrast that to now, where there hasn't been a snowfall above 7 inches since I've moved here.

2+ feet of snow a day Monday and Friday per day? You are a farking liar.

Cool, why post anything at all on the internet, then? Apparently anyone can just call me a "f*cking liar" for posting a  relevant story from my childhood.


Don't you know? That since lies are a thing.  Clearly everyone must be that invested to always lie.
It's the most annoying shiat.  But. To be fair, in grade school people always disbelieved some of the most trivial stupid shiat.  As if my mom would lie to me about her car being 3 model years early.  (By the way can't even find a picture of the car.)
Renult Medallion with a long body in champagne.  With computer under hood that fried when car was washed.
It must of been a on off. 🤷‍♂
But.  Yeah. People a little farking children who call people  Liars over some of the most meaningless stupid farking shiat.

Meanwhile.  People believe stupid shiat Trump says. None logical stupid shiat.
 
2022-11-27 6:56:49 AM  
This was an interesting thread.

I live in MN and the last year and a half have been odd weather wise. December tornados last year. Minimal severe weather in the southern third of the state during spring/summer. A really dry summer. Fall has been very mild and dry. Two weeks ago it snowed for five days straight but the accumulations were minimal... maybe three inches total. It was in the mid 50s the past few days.

Just strange really. But I expect that here.
 
2022-11-27 7:24:58 AM  
 
2022-11-27 8:45:32 AM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Up here in the Smoky Mountains visiting and roaring waters usually running are running slow. Hey Earth, get your shiat together.


It's trying; why do you think the climate is becoming inhospitable for human life?
 
2022-11-27 9:29:35 AM  
 
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They took all the trees and put 'em in a tree museum
And they charged the people a dollar and a half to see them
 
2022-11-27 12:19:35 PM  
They want to charge $80 a year for a pass.  This is more than anywhere else in the State. To justify it, they have to provide something to add value, otherwise everyone will just go to better trials a few miles away when they can.
 
2022-11-27 3:34:53 PM  
Here in Colorado, as soon as the temperatures are cold enough, they start making snow. With mother natures help, they get to open early, but usually it's on time for whatever day they scheduled for.
 
2022-11-27 7:49:13 PM  

iron de havilland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwinter

Why do you thing we have feasts like Christmas, Yule and Saturnalia around the time? It marks the ending of the darkening and hearkens the coming spring.

meanmutton: Never mind, I checked your profile. Where you live in Scotland, the average lows in October exceed the average highs in February.

Yeah, the average temp between Oct and Feb differ by 5.2 degrees.

But meteorologists also use different definitions of seasons than astronomers, too.


Read your own link:

In the medieval Icelandic calendar it was the first day of Þorri, the fourth winter month, which corresponds to the middle of January in the Gregorian calendar.[2] According to Snorri Sturluson's Heimskringla (c. 1230), the pre-Christian holiday Yule was originally celebrated at midwinter, but in the 10th century, the king Haakon the Good moved it to the same day as Christmas, about three weeks earlier.[3]

Beginning in the 18th century, the term midwinter has sometimes been misunderstood as synonymous with the winter solstice.[4]
 
2022-11-27 7:56:29 PM  

buserror: iron de havilland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwinter

Why do you thing we have feasts like Christmas, Yule and Saturnalia around the time? It marks the ending of the darkening and hearkens the coming spring.

meanmutton: Never mind, I checked your profile. Where you live in Scotland, the average lows in October exceed the average highs in February.

Yeah, the average temp between Oct and Feb differ by 5.2 degrees.

But meteorologists also use different definitions of seasons than astronomers, too.

Read your own link:

In the medieval Icelandic calendar it was the first day of Þorri, the fourth winter month, which corresponds to the middle of January in the Gregorian calendar.[2] According to Snorri Sturluson's Heimskringla (c. 1230), the pre-Christian holiday Yule was originally celebrated at midwinter, but in the 10th century, the king Haakon the Good moved it to the same day as Christmas, about three weeks earlier.[3]

Beginning in the 18th century, the term midwinter has sometimes been misunderstood as synonymous with the winter solstice.[4]


That page is very light on details, isn't it? Either way, the page for midsummer is far more detailed, and it makes sense that six months separate them.
 
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