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(Screen Rant)   Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy reveals why Indiana Jones 4 didn't work. But we thought the next film after "Last Crusade" won't premiere until 2023   (screenrant.com) divider line
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2022-11-26 9:26:25 AM  
There's nothing wrong with the general story itself. Complaining that it has sci-fi in it instead of religious artifacts is like complaining about the Die Hard sequels because they didn't follow the formula of the first 2 (although 5 did suck). The problem was all the CGI (especially the monkeys) and all the supporting characters were awful.
 
2022-11-26 10:03:12 AM  
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2022-11-26 10:09:58 AM  
Indy fans are certainly hoping that the upcoming Indiana Jones 5 will avoid the mistakes of Crystal Skull and deliver a truly satisfying experience.


I am under no delusion about IJ5's chances of being good. I just hope Indy doesn't get the same sendoff as 007.

However, I am hoping Phoebe Waller-Bridge is used well, and maybe they let her write her scenes.
 
2022-11-26 10:40:30 AM  
I don't mind main characters getting more experience and being better at what they do; I mind when they become invincible. Raiders Indy had to run and hide most of the time and he couldn't win a fist fight without the help of a propeller. Great movie.

Skull Indy got nuked and walked away without even being a little sore. He's an archeologist, not Goku.
 
2022-11-26 10:42:39 AM  
Indy fans are certainly hoping that the upcoming Indiana Jones 5 will avoid the mistakes of Crystal Skull and deliver a truly satisfying experience.

....and the prostrate exam of doom.
 
2022-11-26 10:43:54 AM  

Jumpthruhoops: I don't mind main characters getting more experience and being better at what they do; I mind when they become invincible.


Same thing with the Die Hard movies.
 
2022-11-26 10:44:19 AM  

optikeye: Indy fans are certainly hoping that the upcoming Indiana Jones 5 will avoid the mistakes of Crystal Skull and deliver a truly satisfying experience.

....and the prostrate exam of doom.


Here we go. It took five posts this time, wow.
 
2022-11-26 10:47:28 AM  
You know...somewhere there's a doctor ...with little regard for HIPPA when it comes to sharing with close family members:
"Guess what I did today, Honey...go on guess"
"I have no idea" (sigh)
"I stuck my fingers up Harrison Ford's Butt"
"What"
"Yup, and then I wiggled them around like this" (makes wiggling motions with fingers)
 
2022-11-26 10:48:42 AM  
I'm in a different camp that says there are only 3 Indy movies. Temple of Doom sucked the most and is the one that doesn't count.
 
2022-11-26 10:51:35 AM  

Mugato: optikeye: Indy fans are certainly hoping that the upcoming Indiana Jones 5 will avoid the mistakes of Crystal Skull and deliver a truly satisfying experience.

....and the prostrate exam of doom.

Here we go. It took five posts this time, wow.


Yeah...well how about "The ending of Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark" would be
EXACTLY the same if Indy didn't show up.
 
2022-11-26 10:53:41 AM  

Badmoodman: Indy fans are certainly hoping that the upcoming Indiana Jones 5 will avoid the mistakes of Crystal Skull and deliver a truly satisfying experience.


I am under no delusion about IJ5's chances of being good. I just hope Indy doesn't get the same sendoff as 007.

However, I am hoping Phoebe Waller-Bridge is used well, and maybe they let her write her scenes.


If they do Indy will commit suicide after realizing stealing prized artifacts from civilizations around the world is a horrible thing.
 
2022-11-26 10:54:20 AM  

optikeye: "The ending of Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark" would be EXACTLY the same if Indy didn't show up.


No way, man! Marion would have been killed with the Nazis if Indy had not been there to tell her to keep her eyes shut!
 
2022-11-26 10:54:51 AM  

Mugato: There's nothing wrong with the general story itself. Complaining that it has sci-fi in it instead of religious artifacts is like complaining about the Die Hard sequels because they didn't follow the formula of the first 2 (although 5 did suck). The problem was all the CGI (especially the monkeys) and all the supporting characters were awful.


I don't know. I think you can throw spiritual/magic/fantasy into sci-fi (Star Wars did it, Star Trek did it plenty) and it tracks fine usually, but the other way around can be jarring. It's like if the last season of Game of Thrones suddenly had aliens come down and control the dragons with technology.
 
2022-11-26 10:55:41 AM  
It didn't work because...

1. he's too old for this sh*t
2. hilariously awful villains
3. the beef

It's a mediocre movie and the Indy franchise has competition these days. The Indiana Jones franchise starring Harrison Ford in the lead role is ready to be put out to pasture.


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2022-11-26 10:59:47 AM  

optikeye: Mugato: optikeye: Indy fans are certainly hoping that the upcoming Indiana Jones 5 will avoid the mistakes of Crystal Skull and deliver a truly satisfying experience.

....and the prostrate exam of doom.

Here we go. It took five posts this time, wow.

Yeah...well how about "The ending of Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark" would be
EXACTLY the same if Indy didn't show up.


I'm not getting into that again, I'll just say that's wrong and leave it at that.
 
2022-11-26 11:01:10 AM  

NeoCortex42: Mugato: There's nothing wrong with the general story itself. Complaining that it has sci-fi in it instead of religious artifacts is like complaining about the Die Hard sequels because they didn't follow the formula of the first 2 (although 5 did suck). The problem was all the CGI (especially the monkeys) and all the supporting characters were awful.

I don't know. I think you can throw spiritual/magic/fantasy into sci-fi (Star Wars did it, Star Trek did it plenty) and it tracks fine usually, but the other way around can be jarring. It's like if the last season of Game of Thrones suddenly had aliens come down and control the dragons with technology.


But we can still give Krull and Yor a pass, right?
 
2022-11-26 11:01:28 AM  

NeoCortex42: It's like if the last season of Game of Thrones suddenly had aliens come down and control the dragons with technology.


No it's more like that in the last season of Breaking Bad Walter Winchel finds a Mithril Jacket in a desert cave guarded by a Dragon and goes on a shooting spree against the Wizards of Unseen University.
 
2022-11-26 11:02:48 AM  
Shia Labeouf.
 
2022-11-26 11:03:47 AM  

Unsung_Hero: NeoCortex42: Mugato: There's nothing wrong with the general story itself. Complaining that it has sci-fi in it instead of religious artifacts is like complaining about the Die Hard sequels because they didn't follow the formula of the first 2 (although 5 did suck). The problem was all the CGI (especially the monkeys) and all the supporting characters were awful.

I don't know. I think you can throw spiritual/magic/fantasy into sci-fi (Star Wars did it, Star Trek did it plenty) and it tracks fine usually, but the other way around can be jarring. It's like if the last season of Game of Thrones suddenly had aliens come down and control the dragons with technology.

But we can still give Krull and Yor a pass, right?


Krull is farking weird. I do think the sci-fi elements should have been cut and it would have made more sense.

Ditto with Highlander II.
 
2022-11-26 11:04:10 AM  

optikeye: Mugato: optikeye: Indy fans are certainly hoping that the upcoming Indiana Jones 5 will avoid the mistakes of Crystal Skull and deliver a truly satisfying experience.

....and the prostrate exam of doom.

Here we go. It took five posts this time, wow.

Yeah...well how about "The ending of Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark" would be
EXACTLY the same if Indy didn't show up.


Not exactly. We'd never get to see the boxed up Ark being wheeled away to be stored in the depths of the Warehouse.

/still waiting for the year long sandstorm to bury that warehouse
//that's gonna be a serious hiat to the budget having to clear out all the sand every year
///suppose they could offset the cost by allocating the extra sand to beach preservation projects
 
2022-11-26 11:04:33 AM  

mcreadyblue: Badmoodman: Indy fans are certainly hoping that the upcoming Indiana Jones 5 will avoid the mistakes of Crystal Skull and deliver a truly satisfying experience.


I am under no delusion about IJ5's chances of being good. I just hope Indy doesn't get the same sendoff as 007.

However, I am hoping Phoebe Waller-Bridge is used well, and maybe they let her write her scenes.

If they do Indy will commit suicide after realizing stealing prized artifacts from civilizations around the world is a horrible thing.


I'm willing to bet this will be a major plot point of Indy 5. Returning plundered artifacts to the original culture. They don't belong in a museum!

Essentially an enlightened and chastened Indy correcting the mistakes of his past. Returning the Ark to the Well of Souls. And a fun excuse for nostalgia.
 
2022-11-26 11:04:52 AM  

optikeye: No it's more like that in the last season of Breaking Bad Walter Winchel finds a Mithril Jacket in a desert cave guarded by a Dragon and goes on a shooting spree against the Wizards of Unseen University.


OMG SPOILERS
 
2022-11-26 11:05:34 AM  

optikeye: Indy fans are certainly hoping that the upcoming Indiana Jones 5 will avoid the mistakes of Crystal Skull and deliver a truly satisfying experience.

....and the prostrate exam of doom.


Prostrate????


You might want to check your definition there
 
2022-11-26 11:06:00 AM  

MechaPyx: optikeye: Mugato: optikeye: Indy fans are certainly hoping that the upcoming Indiana Jones 5 will avoid the mistakes of Crystal Skull and deliver a truly satisfying experience.

....and the prostrate exam of doom.

Here we go. It took five posts this time, wow.

Yeah...well how about "The ending of Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark" would be
EXACTLY the same if Indy didn't show up.

Not exactly. We'd never get to see the boxed up Ark being wheeled away to be stored in the depths of the Warehouse.

/still waiting for the year long sandstorm to bury that warehouse
//that's gonna be a serious hiat to the budget having to clear out all the sand every year
///suppose they could offset the cost by allocating the extra sand to beach preservation projects


Sigh. Fine. The Nazis never would have found the ark on their own. They wouldn't have found the well of souls without the headpiece and they had to follow Indy to Marion's bar.
 
2022-11-26 11:07:31 AM  

Unsung_Hero: NeoCortex42: Mugato: There's nothing wrong with the general story itself. Complaining that it has sci-fi in it instead of religious artifacts is like complaining about the Die Hard sequels because they didn't follow the formula of the first 2 (although 5 did suck). The problem was all the CGI (especially the monkeys) and all the supporting characters were awful.

I don't know. I think you can throw spiritual/magic/fantasy into sci-fi (Star Wars did it, Star Trek did it plenty) and it tracks fine usually, but the other way around can be jarring. It's like if the last season of Game of Thrones suddenly had aliens come down and control the dragons with technology.

But we can still give Krull and Yor a pass, right?


And The X-Files.
 
2022-11-26 11:08:32 AM  

NeoCortex42: Mugato: There's nothing wrong with the general story itself. Complaining that it has sci-fi in it instead of religious artifacts is like complaining about the Die Hard sequels because they didn't follow the formula of the first 2 (although 5 did suck). The problem was all the CGI (especially the monkeys) and all the supporting characters were awful.

I don't know. I think you can throw spiritual/magic/fantasy into sci-fi (Star Wars did it, Star Trek did it plenty) and it tracks fine usually, but the other way around can be jarring. It's like if the last season of Game of Thrones suddenly had aliens come down and control the dragons with technology.


Final Fantasy 6, they literally called it Magik-Tek. Books have been playing w/ that trope a long time now, successfully (Mistborn, Stormlight, just off the top of my head).
 
2022-11-26 11:10:00 AM  

NeoCortex42: Krull is farking weird. I do think the sci-fi elements should have been cut and it would have made more sense.


It was the style of the times, they were likely trying to get a bit of the Star Wars audience to show up.
 
2022-11-26 11:11:11 AM  

optikeye: Indy fans are certainly hoping that the upcoming Indiana Jones 5 will avoid the mistakes of Crystal Skull and deliver a truly satisfying experience.

....and the prostrate exam of doom.


Indiana Jones and the Aching Bones.
 
2022-11-26 11:11:26 AM  

Jake Havechek: Shia Labeouf.


This.
 
2022-11-26 11:11:56 AM  
It didn't work because it was an homage to a specific style without overtly calling it an homage to a specific style, and hybridizing that style with newer technologies.

It was an intentionally campy movie.  They just failed at indicating that it was intentionally campy and meant to reflect a particularly basic era of film making.
 
2022-11-26 11:20:50 AM  

Mugato: There's nothing wrong with the general story itself. Complaining that it has sci-fi in it instead of religious artifacts is like complaining about the Die Hard sequels because they didn't follow the formula of the first 2 (although 5 did suck). The problem was all the CGI (especially the monkeys) and all the supporting characters were awful.


1) This is Screen Rant, so it can be discarded as parroting the worse takes on everything for click bait.

2) Since the movie takes place in the 1950s, the UFOs and Russians elements made sense. The main complaint, really, was execution.

3) Spielberg has admitted the Nuke the Fridge was his idea ( the action sequences were always Spielberg.)

4) people forget there was always a certain slapstick/cartoon comedy element in Indy.
 
2022-11-26 11:21:03 AM  
Switching from archeo-action to cold-war alien-action necessitated more of a formula change to reflect it, like maybe taking the plotting away from Lucas and giving it to the guy who did Close Encounters.  Hell, having said that, maybe the problem is just George Lucas, period.
 
2022-11-26 11:23:28 AM  

bostonguy: optikeye: "The ending of Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark" would be EXACTLY the same if Indy didn't show up.

No way, man! Marion would have been killed with the Nazis if Indy had not been there to tell her to keep her eyes shut!


Marion would have just sold the artifact and left her bar. Putting behind the sexual abuse Indy put her through.
 
2022-11-26 11:33:37 AM  

Unsung_Hero: NeoCortex42: Mugato: There's nothing wrong with the general story itself. Complaining that it has sci-fi in it instead of religious artifacts is like complaining about the Die Hard sequels because they didn't follow the formula of the first 2 (although 5 did suck). The problem was all the CGI (especially the monkeys) and all the supporting characters were awful.

I don't know. I think you can throw spiritual/magic/fantasy into sci-fi (Star Wars did it, Star Trek did it plenty) and it tracks fine usually, but the other way around can be jarring. It's like if the last season of Game of Thrones suddenly had aliens come down and control the dragons with technology.

But we can still give Krull and Yor a pass, right?


GOT had some potent explosives and pretty good ballistas for a medieval fantasy. Probably more higher tech stuff but it was clear the maesters were there to regulate how much tech was out in the wild.
 
2022-11-26 11:42:53 AM  
DRTFA, but a major problem was Lucas putting the kibosh on the Frank Darabont screenplay, which Spielberg and Ford both loved. Yes, there was still nuking the fridge, but there was no Mutt Williams, and Marion Ravenwood was a much stronger character, the dialogue was better**, some nice callbacks to the earlier movies, it was just overall superior to what David Koepp gave us.

The other major problem is that Spielberg is not the same director he was when he made the original trilogy. He was still a "child at heart" throughout the 80s, and his sensibilities as a director connected better with the material. With Crystal Skull, he was a grandpa trying to recapture his youth. Kinda like his "KIck the Can' segment for the Twilight Zone movie, except he didn't magically turn into a child.

**-Better dialogue except for this painful groaner:

MARION: What about that nightclub floozie. That singer. Whatever happened to her?
INDY: Willie Scott? She left me and ran off with some hotshot filmmaker.
 
2022-11-26 11:56:40 AM  
Because having a nonagenarian "action hero" is embarrassing and ridiculous?
 
2022-11-26 11:57:15 AM  
fark yeah another thread where i can talk about how Temple of Doom is Spielberg's worst movie
and Raiders is second worst
 
2022-11-26 12:00:06 PM  
Mainly it's the lack of stakes/strong villains in the story, but that's a weakness of the franchise. None of the villains other than Belloq have been all that interesting. The Last Crusade is better loved despite the weak villains because the Indy/Henry relationship gave the film heart and real, personal stakes for Indy. The stakes in Raiders was world-level threat from Nazis that got deus ex macina'd, Temple was Indy being greedy and white savior guilt. The stakes in Crystal Skull are the Russians get access to something they would have had no ability to capitalize on. After they find Hux they could have literally given the Russians the skull, walked away from the adventure, and nothing bad would have happened to anyone other than the Russians if they had succeeded.

A lot of the stuff people like to point to as being specifically bad (nuking the fridge, vine swinging,) are no worse than what we got with previous incarnations. For Last Crusade, the dumbest thing in that movie is the boat-chopping and the tank driver who can't move another 6 inches to the left - both pretty mild Hollywood BS. There's no fridge nuking, raft falling, mine cart jumping, immortal snakes, or submarine riding in it.
 
2022-11-26 12:02:03 PM  
I'm genuinely surprised she didn't blame the audience for not "getting it."
 
2022-11-26 12:04:20 PM  
And another thing, they went through a whole chapter and canonized the existence of his son. Mutt is supposed to be the lead in any follow up film. Now they are giving an ungreased fist to the fandom and just dropping that storyline.
 
2022-11-26 12:05:42 PM  

Bslim: And another thing, they went through a whole chapter and canonized the existence of his son. Mutt is supposed to be the lead in any follow up film. Now they are giving an ungreased fist to the fandom and just dropping that storyline.


What part of the fandom is actually upset about ignoring that plotline? I mean, what part of the fandom not named Laboeuf?
 
2022-11-26 12:08:18 PM  
"I have a kid now" is a horrible idea for any sequel, but especially for Indiana Jones, and especially when it's that disgusting shiat boy Shia LaBoof as an unconvincing tough guy greaser. Get the actual f*ck outta here with every second of that cursed poo movie.
 
2022-11-26 12:09:07 PM  

Jake Havechek: Shia Labeouf.


Quiet, quiet

"Shia LaBeouf" Live - Rob Cantor
Youtube o0u4M6vppCI
 
2022-11-26 12:09:44 PM  

Bslim: And another thing, they went through a whole chapter and canonized the existence of his son. Mutt is supposed to be the lead in any follow up film. Now they are giving an ungreased fist to the fandom and just dropping that storyline.


Nobody liked Mutt. He was Poochie and thankfully he died on the way back to his home planet.
 
2022-11-26 12:12:56 PM  
It's telling when even Cate motherfarking Blanchett can't salvage your villain and make them interesting.
 
2022-11-26 12:16:40 PM  

cocozilla: optikeye: Indy fans are certainly hoping that the upcoming Indiana Jones 5 will avoid the mistakes of Crystal Skull and deliver a truly satisfying experience.

....and the prostrate exam of doom.

Prostrate????


You might want to check your definition there


maybe he was prostrate for the exam, of his prostate
 
2022-11-26 12:17:34 PM  
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there was no alien thing
there was no Mutt

/didn't happen
//please just agree
///so I have to keep doing this?
 
2022-11-26 12:18:17 PM  

Boudyro: Mainly it's the lack of stakes/strong villains in the story, but that's a weakness of the franchise. None of the villains other than Belloq have been all that interesting. The Last Crusade is better loved despite the weak villains because the Indy/Henry relationship gave the film heart and real, personal stakes for Indy. The stakes in Raiders was world-level threat from Nazis that got deus ex macina'd, Temple was Indy being greedy and white savior guilt. The stakes in Crystal Skull are the Russians get access to something they would have had no ability to capitalize on. After they find Hux they could have literally given the Russians the skull, walked away from the adventure, and nothing bad would have happened to anyone other than the Russians if they had succeeded.

A lot of the stuff people like to point to as being specifically bad (nuking the fridge, vine swinging,) are no worse than what we got with previous incarnations. For Last Crusade, the dumbest thing in that movie is the boat-chopping and the tank driver who can't move another 6 inches to the left - both pretty mild Hollywood BS. There's no fridge nuking, raft falling, mine cart jumping, immortal snakes, or submarine riding in it.


I agree it's ridiculous to criticize nuking the fridge, and yet somehow accept falling from an airplane in an inflatable raft.

But the best Indy movies also have a harder edge to them, with really hair-raising archeological danger, which balances the silliness. Crystal Skull had nothing. Except awful CGI, which only further lowered the stakes, as it made everyone an invincible cartoon character.
 
2022-11-26 12:19:30 PM  

Bslim: And another thing, they went through a whole chapter and canonized the existence of his son. Mutt is supposed to be the lead in any follow up film. Now they are giving an ungreased fist to the fandom and just dropping that storyline.


Lol!! What fan gives a flying fark about Mutt?

Mutt who???
 
2022-11-26 12:19:52 PM  

cocozilla: optikeye: Indy fans are certainly hoping that the upcoming Indiana Jones 5 will avoid the mistakes of Crystal Skull and deliver a truly satisfying experience.

....and the prostrate exam of doom.

Prostrate????


You might want to check your definition there


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