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2022-11-24 3:46:58 AM  
That was actually very interesting, and I don't even have kids.
 
2022-11-24 3:59:16 AM  
I know a few adults who could benefit from reading that.
 
2022-11-24 6:12:57 AM  
Most of my wife's cousins lack the reasoning skills of second graders, so we instituted the rule "Whoever brings up politics at Thanksgiving just volunteered to do all the dishes."
 
2022-11-24 7:49:44 AM  
Ours go like this:

"Trump's an ass, and Kanye's crazy. Where's the mashed potatoes?"
 
2022-11-24 7:54:05 AM  
I'm gonna have a shot of brandy for every time I hear "Biden".
 
2022-11-24 7:54:41 AM  
Why do I volunteer to work on Thanksgiving?

Something about relatives that start stupid, pointless, uninformed arguments before I get my coat off.

And while everything in the article is valid, I would be the a**hole for bringing that stuff up.
 
2022-11-24 7:55:38 AM  
Just RTFA. If my kid did that, there'd be an emergency trip to the dentist. My son was smarter than that, and knew that I had backup if he got out of line. We were usually able to settle things before they got out of hand. Stuck in his room with no toys or fun things to do would usually be the last resort.
 
2022-11-24 7:59:50 AM  
I just prepped the potato casserole. It's not even 8 o'clock. If anyone complains at the dinner table I will accuse them of corruption and sodomy.   When the Giants start playing, I will make amends and tell them I can get them down to 6 years.
 
2022-11-24 8:02:38 AM  
Happy Thanksgiving, everybody!
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/yummy.
 
2022-11-24 8:02:57 AM  
This is what football is for.
 
2022-11-24 8:03:39 AM  
Read that article again but replace "your kid" with "Trump" in every sentence.
Try it
 
2022-11-24 8:03:42 AM  
Let's move voting day to April. Only devoted catholics give a fark about Easter, and it's not 2 weeks after elections.

It might be just my family, but Turkey Day and Xmas are the only holidays where you can gaurentee politicical buttmumbling happen. The rest of the holidays are basically rolling dice, and at most it's 5 minutes.

It's just a theory. But I think the election influences people wanting to talk about it.
 
2022-11-24 8:09:32 AM  

Subtonic: I just prepped the potato casserole. It's not even 8 o'clock. If anyone complains at the dinner table I will accuse them of corruption and sodomy.   When the Giants start playing, I will make amends and tell them I can get them down to 6 years.


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2022-11-24 8:12:34 AM  
Rightwingers are no longer welcome at gatherings and we usually just do nonsober imitations of their delusional nonsense. Walker will probably be a focus this year, mainly cause I have taken to blurting out I WANNA BE A WEREWOLF NOW just randomly throughout the day.

I bet when the dumbasses fell for the Ivermectin disinformation a few of them crapped themselves right at the dinner table. Then accused a millennial/gen z nephew/niece of taking checks from George Soros to put shiat in their pants.
 
2022-11-24 8:12:53 AM  
"I advise parents to write down the key issue on an index card so they can refer to it if they begin to get sidetracked."

Ah yes, because when an impromptu argument breaks out, every parent has their hip holster of index cards and ballpoint at the ready. Fastest pen in the West!

"You don't know anything, Mom!"

[getting out reading glasses and pen] "Hang, on Jaxton. I'm writing this down."

That sounds super effective.
 
2022-11-24 8:17:31 AM  
100% liberal family Thanksgiving here.

I doubt we will talk politics at the table because we are capable of holding detailed conversations on a variety of topics and are genuinely interested in one another.

Dunking on conservatives would just be depressing and frankly they're not worth the time.

I wish I could invite you all over. BYO toast and popcorn.
 
2022-11-24 8:22:27 AM  
Replace "Kids" and "Child" with "MAGA Idiot" in the article and it works just as well.
 
2022-11-24 8:42:19 AM  

chitownmike: Subtonic: I just prepped the potato casserole. It's not even 8 o'clock. If anyone complains at the dinner table I will accuse them of corruption and sodomy.   When the Giants start playing, I will make amends and tell them I can get them down to 6 years.

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No worries. I'm in your corner.
 
2022-11-24 8:54:06 AM  
does this really happen that much
 
2022-11-24 8:54:36 AM  

Madame Psychosis: "I advise parents to write down the key issue on an index card so they can refer to it if they begin to get sidetracked."

Ah yes, because when an impromptu argument breaks out, every parent has their hip holster of index cards and ballpoint at the ready. Fastest pen in the West!

"You don't know anything, Mom!"

[getting out reading glasses and pen] "Hang, on Jaxton. I'm writing this down."

That sounds super effective.


Unless it's your first day as a parent, you could have a handful of preprinted and laminated flash cards.

Hell, you could probably buy a set from Amazon that will work for 99.9% of arguments.
 
2022-11-24 8:54:45 AM  
If a kid says there's something amiss with their teacher the correct answer is ignore it and assume they're acting out?
 
2022-11-24 9:04:46 AM  
My parents solved my attitude problems with a cattle prod.
 
2022-11-24 9:09:26 AM  
My son was acting out big time and started screaming.  I ran into the kitchen, got a big glass of water and splashed it in his face.  He was very perplexed and asked why I did that.  I said, "the way you were screaming, I thought you were on fire".  Thus ended the screaming.
 
2022-11-24 9:17:32 AM  
::Morning rambling mode on::

I loved/love parenting. My thoughts were, first of all, you can not possible spoil an infant, respond to their cries because that's the only tool in their arsenal.  Gassy, hungry, wet, smelly, cold, hot, all they can do is cry and you have to figure it out and solve it.   At the same time, this is where you begin to give them new tools to interact with the world.  Smiles, laughter, singing, happy words, these are the first tools you provide, You'd best be prepared to reward them with more of the same when they finally figure it out.

Then it never stops, you provide more and more tools for them to interact with the world.  Early on, they want attention for their very real needs.  Be quick to give attention when they use the positive tools they use, like smiling.  Be slow...er to give attention when they use the negative tools like fussing and frowning.  When the kid learns they can manipulate you with smiles, and you respond faster... that's a positive thing. (Obviously you respond to extreme situations as you recognize them.)

Later in life, keep calm and do the same thing with logic and research and independent thinking.  Never stop giving them tools, never reward outbursts or poorly thought out arguments. Be slower to respond to childish responses, even the smiles, or they'll manipulate you that way, and that's rarely still a positive thing.  It means you still have to pay attention and deconstruct their poorly constructed arguments, or give them a second chance to rephrase their statement, give them a chance to convince you.

Nothing is sadder than an adult using childish arguments.  These idiots are still using their daddy as the prime authority.  Their parroting rules that kept them docile as children as the proper manners for others to behave by.  They've just never learned how to think for themselves.

::Morning rambling mode off::
 
2022-11-24 9:20:52 AM  

thealgorerhythm: 100% liberal family Thanksgiving here.

I doubt we will talk politics at the table because we are capable of holding detailed conversations on a variety of topics and are genuinely interested in one another.

Dunking on conservatives would just be depressing and frankly they're not worth the time.

I wish I could invite you all over. BYO toast and popcorn.


so you're saying Trump  won't be mentioned?  I'll take that bet.  Liberals in groups can't help it.  Same thing with the other side.  They will be bashing Biden.
 
2022-11-24 9:20:54 AM  

big pig peaches: Madame Psychosis: "I advise parents to write down the key issue on an index card so they can refer to it if they begin to get sidetracked."

Ah yes, because when an impromptu argument breaks out, every parent has their hip holster of index cards and ballpoint at the ready. Fastest pen in the West!

"You don't know anything, Mom!"

[getting out reading glasses and pen] "Hang, on Jaxton. I'm writing this down."

That sounds super effective.

Unless it's your first day as a parent, you could have a handful of preprinted and laminated flash cards.

Hell, you could probably buy a set from Amazon that will work for 99.9% of arguments.


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Yep!
 
2022-11-24 9:21:53 AM  
I sent this to my mom because it explains my 50 year old brother so well.
 
2022-11-24 9:29:42 AM  
If you child saying anything to the effect of "this isn't fair!", smile, hug them, and whisper in their ear, "you've figured it out, I'm so proud of you".
 
2022-11-24 9:29:45 AM  

6nome: I'm gonna have a shot of brandy for every time I hear "Biden".


Remember to hydrate.
 
2022-11-24 9:32:48 AM  
I'm pushing 60 and don't recall a single time that politics came up at the dinner table.

I guess my family and friends have better things to discuss.
 
2022-11-24 9:39:43 AM  

6nome: I'm gonna have a shot of brandy for every time I hear "Biden".


Pricier said than done............

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2022-11-24 9:47:02 AM  

flucto: If a kid says there's something amiss with their teacher the correct answer is ignore it and assume they're acting out?


No, if your kid says the teacher didn't explain the assignment, assume the kid wasn't paying attention and didn't bother asking any clarifying questions. Maybe it's the teacher but probably not.
 
2022-11-24 9:53:22 AM  

Subtonic: I just prepped the potato casserole. It's not even 8 o'clock. If anyone complains at the dinner table I will accuse them of corruption and sodomy.   When the Giants start playing, I will make amends and tell them I can get them down to 6 years.


Six years of sodomy for complaining about potatoes...

Got an extra chair..?
 
2022-11-24 10:01:50 AM  
I would stab a kitten for a button to edit grammar and such.
 
2022-11-24 10:02:41 AM  

bighairyguy: My son was acting out big time and started screaming.  I ran into the kitchen, got a big glass of water and splashed it in his face.  He was very perplexed and asked why I did that.  I said, "the way you were screaming, I thought you were on fire".  Thus ended the screaming.


CHILD ABUSE!!

/ Jail time
// counseling
/// divorce
 
2022-11-24 10:12:11 AM  

BunchaRubes: I'm pushing 60 and don't recall a single time that politics came up at the dinner table.

I guess my family and friends have better things to discuss.


Different people have different definitions of what constitutes "politics."  My idiot half of the family would make conversation about "those stupid selfish women participating in the Women's March" and if they really cared about women, they'd be helping the women in Africa..." or how "I'm not racist, but..."

The second I lolwut them, they'd be all... "How rude of you to bring politics to the dinner table!"

Not saying that's your family, but the idiot half of my family speaks in dog whistles, and they don't consider that politics.
 
2022-11-24 10:25:50 AM  
I don't care why, shut up.
 
2022-11-24 10:44:57 AM  
My favorite:
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2022-11-24 11:13:05 AM  

MrBallou: I know a few adults who could benefit from reading that.


I know a few politicians
 
2022-11-24 11:47:21 AM  

munko: thealgorerhythm: 100% liberal family Thanksgiving here.

I doubt we will talk politics at the table because we are capable of holding detailed conversations on a variety of topics and are genuinely interested in one another.

Dunking on conservatives would just be depressing and frankly they're not worth the time.

I wish I could invite you all over. BYO toast and popcorn.

so you're saying Trump  won't be mentioned?  I'll take that bet.  Liberals in groups can't help it.  Same thing with the other side.  They will be bashing Biden.


I feel sorry for you.
 
2022-11-24 11:51:21 AM  

munko: thealgorerhythm: 100% liberal family Thanksgiving here.

I doubt we will talk politics at the table because we are capable of holding detailed conversations on a variety of topics and are genuinely interested in one another.

Dunking on conservatives would just be depressing and frankly they're not worth the time.

I wish I could invite you all over. BYO toast and popcorn.

so you're saying Trump  won't be mentioned?  I'll take that bet.  Liberals in groups can't help it.  Same thing with the other side.  They will be bashing Biden.


I know it is shocking (legitimately to me) but about a third of the country doesn't care or become involved in politics, so the idea of a politics free Thanksgiving Dinner/day is possible if not probable. My neighbors shall be coming over and one set of neighbors always has yard signs out every election and the other probably couldn't tell you who our representative is. Most likely we'll talk about our crops and debate classic/antique cars. I doubt there will be any talk of politics, and there won't be any agreement before hand or rule put in place. We have different political beliefs, but have many things we enjoy about each other's company and talking about either dottering old man or their coke head sons just doesn't appeal to us. That's what the PolTab is for. I'll let you know tomorrow if there is a day after thread.
 
2022-11-24 11:56:09 AM  
This reminds me of my teen years. I used to argue with my parents, and step parents all the time. I admit I was a bully when I was a teen, I was bigger than my parents, and had a very quick wit. I was able to get a way with stuff I did and deflect things I didn't like. Knowing what I know now, the best way to deal with argumentative teens is literally don't engage. Let them scream, shout, rant, etc.... and when their done repeat what you just said. Keep doing so until they comply. Also a smack or two when they simply choose not to listen or comply wont hurt either.
 
2022-11-24 12:09:33 PM  
Go out for "a walk" with your cool cousin. Get really high. Never leave the kids table, never let your cool cousin leave the kids table, pass over that "promotion" every time. Rule over the kids table like a pair of Stoned God-Emperors.
 
2022-11-24 12:25:35 PM  
Thankfully everyone that comes to my family's side is pretty liberal or maybe moderate so there's never really any drama.

My wife's got a large family and there's a lot of conservatives.  There's usually never any drama though, politics are mostly not discussed.

Though she does have one super conservative cousin that always wanted to talk politics with me.  So I bit the bullet and talked politics with him so no one else has to.  His wife and my wife always appreciated that.  Now he's got 3 kids so he mainly just watches them at parties now.

/CSB
 
2022-11-24 12:41:27 PM  

ocean7576: Read that article again but replace "your kid" with "Trump" in every sentence.
Try it


"No matter what you say, [Trump] has a smart comeback that pushes your buttons or leaves you speechless."

Nah, doesn't quite work.
 
2022-11-24 1:01:37 PM  
Juggling cigar boxes

Click the above if you've never seen someone juggle cigar boxes. This is in response to the cartoon above about the cat showing restraint in eating turkey.

After the feast one T-day many, many years ago, I took our dog -- a large hybrid-hardy collie -- for a walk. This was in the era before everyone used a leash. Our path took us past a house whose trashcans were near their holly trees. On top of their garbage can, around 30 ft away, was a turkey carcass. My dog bolted and had the entire carcass in his mouth before I realized what was happening. He knew, though, and had parked himself under the holly trees. Despite my terror of the turkey bones splintering, I couldn't bring myself to dive into the holly trees and retrieve my dog and get the carcass out of his mouth. Instead, I repeatedly called to him and he just looked at me, all the while rotating the turkey carcass in his mouth like the cigar box juggler above. The bird never touched the ground and not a morsel was lost.
 
2022-11-24 1:05:16 PM  
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2022-11-24 1:10:20 PM  
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2022-11-24 1:24:58 PM  

munko: thealgorerhythm: 100% liberal family Thanksgiving here.

I doubt we will talk politics at the table because we are capable of holding detailed conversations on a variety of topics and are genuinely interested in one another.

Dunking on conservatives would just be depressing and frankly they're not worth the time.

I wish I could invite you all over. BYO toast and popcorn.

so you're saying Trump  won't be mentioned?  I'll take that bet.  Liberals in groups can't help it.  Same thing with the other side.  They will be bashing Biden.


Not always. Everyone coming today is center-left, as am I. There will be a no politics rule in place.
 
2022-11-24 1:27:32 PM  
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