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(Air Force Times)   US Air Force's myEval software, meant to automate performance evaluations paperwork, sucks so bad, it's suspended until further notice. "We get it, folks. We have seen the memes and the jokes"   (airforcetimes.com) divider line
    More: Fail, United States Air Force, current myEval system, Air Force, faulty new performance review software, Lt. Col. Kera Rolsen, service member's official records, current version of myEval, Air Force Personnel Center  
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2022-11-23 9:00:00 PM  
Still gets straight 9s .
 
2022-11-23 9:18:02 PM  
Is there a good performance review software package in the world.

Or is it the process that's broken and not the software
 
2022-11-23 10:33:34 PM  
Self evaluation.
How about you gimme a but plug and tell me to take my own temperature with it
 
2022-11-23 10:35:13 PM  

Gubbo: Is there a good performance review software package in the world.

Or is it the process that's broken and not the software


"You did amazing this year but I'm not allowed to give you all exceptionals on reviews, they'll just be sent back to me even with full justifications."

Have heard this multiple times while working for the govt.
 
2022-11-23 10:43:39 PM  

brax33: Gubbo: Is there a good performance review software package in the world.

Or is it the process that's broken and not the software

"You did amazing this year but I'm not allowed to give you all exceptionals on reviews, they'll just be sent back to me even with full justifications."

Have heard this multiple times while working for the govt.


Keep in mind that a government supervisor doesn't generally get any say in who they supervise.

/1st "gift" from getting rank allowing supervision got a troop no one wanted because having to show up to explain in in dress A in early morning something you had nothing to do with or could actually control but your troop did is not considered fun
 
2022-11-23 10:47:06 PM  

brax33: Gubbo: Is there a good performance review software package in the world.

Or is it the process that's broken and not the software

"You did amazing this year but I'm not allowed to give you all exceptionals on reviews, they'll just be sent back to me even with full justifications."

Have heard this multiple times while working for the govt.


Also, shiat like this is why quiet quitting became a thing.

If you "max out" (as much as is allowed) your review every year because you're so good at your job, there's no "visible" improvement on reviews, so you're passed over for raises because you're just consistent. Consistently excellent, but still only consistent to people who only read reviews and compare them to the previous year.

Don't appreciate the talent of your employees and eventually they'll realize that there's absolutely no point in trying.

If you consistently put in actual effort, you get punished, so why even bother? Go back to crunch time when it's actually critical, but otherwise put in the effort of what your salary and appreciation by managers says they value you at. (Less than dirt, more often than not.)
 
2022-11-23 10:53:23 PM  

brax33: brax33: Gubbo: Is there a good performance review software package in the world.

Or is it the process that's broken and not the software

"You did amazing this year but I'm not allowed to give you all exceptionals on reviews, they'll just be sent back to me even with full justifications."

Have heard this multiple times while working for the govt.

Also, shiat like this is why quiet quitting became a thing.

If you "max out" (as much as is allowed) your review every year because you're so good at your job, there's no "visible" improvement on reviews, so you're passed over for raises because you're just consistent. Consistently excellent, but still only consistent to people who only read reviews and compare them to the previous year.

Don't appreciate the talent of your employees and eventually they'll realize that there's absolutely no point in trying.

If you consistently put in actual effort, you get punished, so why even bother? Go back to crunch time when it's actually critical, but otherwise put in the effort of what your salary and appreciation by managers says they value you at. (Less than dirt, more often than not.)


A reasonable guess is most government employees could be diligent in their work effort for 4 out of 8 hours a workday and being rated outstanding just to rid a supervisor of a problem child
 
2022-11-23 11:17:44 PM  
When I was in, the APR changed from a nine point rating to a five point rating. To get rid of Appraisal Inflation. We went from firewall 9s to firewall 5s. It's a garbage system no matter how you count it.
 
2022-11-23 11:53:53 PM  
Except your overall grade wasn't the end all/be all.  Your grade average was compared to the grade average of the person that signed your evaluation.
 
2022-11-24 2:02:19 AM  
Military software trifecta in play?
 
2022-11-24 2:15:07 AM  

johnny_vegas: Except your overall grade wasn't the end all/be all.  Your grade average was compared to the grade average of the person that signed your evaluation.


Yup, and realistically for the Navy at least it was a rating scale from 3.0 to 5.0.  Fitreps/Evals are an impressive exercise in bullshiatting most of the time.

/for farks sake you write your own eval most of the time anyway.
//bonus points to the IT1 who submitted the exact same blurb everytime about his great attention to detail, spelling errors and all.
 
2022-11-24 2:32:35 AM  
I gotta admire their success in continually making the system worse.
 
2022-11-24 3:10:05 AM  
The Navy is in trouble, the Airforce is in trouble. Is it the Army's turn?
 
2022-11-24 3:22:58 AM  

daffy: The Navy is in trouble, the Airforce is in trouble. Is it the Army's turn?


The Army was here first.
 
2022-11-24 3:44:04 AM  
And those crazy Internet "captioned cats"
 
2022-11-24 4:05:10 AM  
Yeah that system is completely farked. I don't know who was angling to get a promotion out of developing and deploying that absolute dumpster fire of a system, but i hope they don't get that star they were coveting.

Evals are honestly the worst part of gov service. Leadership may go on about how you need to rate people fairly and accurately, but the truth of the matter is: if you're not rated as the best that's ever been, you may as well be rated as the worst, because nobody's going to consider anyone with less than perfect marks for promotion or certain jobs. It's farking stupid. And so people continue to over inflate ratings to the point that they're basically useless and the only people who are punished are the ones trying to play as intended, not game the shiat out of the system. But this is America, I suppose: you're not supposed to follow the rules, you're supposed to exploit the ones in your favor and ignore the ones that aren't. So much for integrity.
 
2022-11-24 5:26:09 AM  
You'd think with all the time saved by not doing PT that the Air Force wouldn't also be such a joke in other areas.
 
2022-11-24 6:05:10 AM  

Theeng: johnny_vegas: Except your overall grade wasn't the end all/be all.  Your grade average was compared to the grade average of the person that signed your evaluation.

Yup, and realistically for the Navy at least it was a rating scale from 3.0 to 5.0.  Fitreps/Evals are an impressive exercise in bullshiatting most of the time.

/for farks sake you write your own eval most of the time anyway.
//bonus points to the IT1 who submitted the exact same blurb everytime about his great attention to detail, spelling errors and all.


Heh, I've seen at least 3 guy that put "detrimental to his division" in their own evaluation thinking that was a good thing.
More on topic though, the Navy tried to do the same thing with the evals last cycle and ran into the same problem. I had to rewrite a few of them because the program was just not saving them for some reason and cheif couldn't get into the system to sign them. For some reason the Navy wants to do everything on a web app now days, despite having perfectly functional programs already, but they go with the cheapest option to develop them and they are all garbage.
The app we use to take logs has a problem with just not saving/randomly deleting entire rounds, or crashing in the middle of them. Don't get me started on the tablet we use for our procedures. Cheif "hey, why the fark haven't you started yet?" Me: "sorry, I gotta let my procedure charge for a bit or it'll die in the middle of what I'm doing." Or "opps, accidentally fat figured a hyperlink and lost what I was doing, now I gotta find a place to plug it in and pull it back up. "

It's like the military of the future as invisioned in the late 90's and made by people that were willing to do it the cheapest.
 
2022-11-24 6:59:56 AM  

Gubbo: Is there a good performance review software package in the world.

Or is it the process that's broken and not the software


Just about every modern software suite I've used is so highly customizable or flexible...yet they end up functionally worthless for basic tasks (as if those functions are "below" the software)...

For example: Using Oracle for time card entry: Let's say Bob is going on vacation next week. He requests the PTO and his manager approves it. Great! Sadly, Bob won't get paid for next week unless he opens the time card software during the week his is off...see, his weekly time card isn't "created" by the system unless it is opened during that calendar week. I'm sure this saves space on a database somewhere...but it's awful for end users.
 
2022-11-24 7:15:38 AM  

Theeng: johnny_vegas: Except your overall grade wasn't the end all/be all.  Your grade average was compared to the grade average of the person that signed your evaluation.

Yup, and realistically for the Navy at least it was a rating scale from 3.0 to 5.0.  Fitreps/Evals are an impressive exercise in bullshiatting most of the time.

/for farks sake you write your own eval most of the time anyway.
//bonus points to the IT1 who submitted the exact same blurb everytime about his great attention to detail, spelling errors and all.


You're not wrong!
Although what really pissed me off was asking someone to turn in an award write up on themselves.
 
2022-11-24 7:38:56 AM  
It's USAF policy not to imply ownership of an eval. Always use the indefinite article an eval, not my eval.
 
2022-11-24 7:40:10 AM  
"Space Force Guardians"
Man, I laughed so hard.
 
2022-11-24 7:44:09 AM  
I wrote an eval system for volunteers at a folk festival. This was back in the 90s, when setting an office full of computers in a straw field was considered "kind of cool"

It was actually just an evolution of an older rbase system which was ported to clipper and I translated to a website. But overall it was game changing to allow supervisors to detect and eject people who got badges to work (and enjoy the festival for free) but never showed up to actually work. Or they did show up to work drunk/high/etc and were worse than useless.

It worked great as an attendance tool. But the biggest problem was the supervisors. They were notorious for not getting the evaluations in. I would get now evaluations, or they would quick hand me a stack of clipboards on Monday morning after the festival was over.

Which did tie back to the mailing list function, which let us screen out who shouldn't be allowed to volunteer the next year (or ever.)

I tried everything to automate the process. We tried live terminals in the muster station. I had a smart phone app. In the end the only system that consistently worked was printing out forms that got clipped to a clipboard, with a trained tech entering the data from the clipboard back into the computer.

We had 5 point system. But it had the same issue as everyone's. Some managers just circled 5 for everyone. Some would circle 3s for everyone, except giving their friends a 5. That part was sort of useless without comments. Though a score of 0 (no-show) or 1 (was part of the problem) was a pretty good indicator of a real problem.
 
2022-11-24 9:33:26 AM  

yanceylebeef: When I was in, the APR changed from a nine point rating to a five point rating. To get rid of Appraisal Inflation. We went from firewall 9s to firewall 5s. It's a garbage system no matter how you count it.


And then we got rid of the numbers and replaced them with phrases "does not meet, meets some, not all, meets all, exceeds some, exceeds all" Everyone still calls them by the previous numbers and nothing has changed.

What sucks with the system shutting down is that everyone that had a report going through the wickets now has to redo it on the PDF forms. And of course, the length of the performance statements on the PDF forms is different  from the myeval forms forcing a bunch of people to work over thanksgiving to meet deadlines.

I hope whichever CMSgt or Colonel who had stock in salesforce and pushed this shiat rots in hell.
 
2022-11-24 10:11:03 AM  
I worked for a major utility, and I was punished one time for an eval.  It was unfair, and wrong and late.  I did a lot of snooping in the company files, and found a message from the downtown bosses that said they needed 10% of the people to get unsatisfactory ratings, so if your dept did not already have 10%, go back and change it after the fact.  and that explained why my actual managers were not upset with me, and they were kinda guilty about the whole thing.
 
2022-11-24 10:26:46 AM  
I call bullshiat.

A software that sucks so bad for end users that they stop using it? I farking wish.
 
2022-11-24 10:30:26 AM  
As an employee (Team Member) of a fortune 500 company I can safely say every enhancement they roll out to automate processes (MyIT, Workday, Guardian, etc) is worse than the previous suck-ass version.
 
2022-11-24 10:39:05 AM  

brax33: Also, shiat like this is why quiet quitting became a thing.


You're imagining that it "became a thing" because the Media has popularized a new fad phrase. "Quiet quitting" is traditionally known as "going to work and doing your job" but, that's not sexy. Besides, they want to promote some old fantasy about people working free overtime and giving 110% of their best which, umm... never happened.
 
2022-11-24 11:15:31 AM  

Gubbo: Is there a good performance review software package in the world.

Or is it the process that's broken and not the software



Yes.
 
2022-11-24 11:30:59 AM  
...CSB:

 In the late 80s, USAF transitioned to a new, automated work order system called MMICS.  This would COMPLETELY automate and digitize getting work orders for everything, all across the board, from avionics to Ammo (my area) to hands on the airplane.  It was The Ultimate, it would revolutionize the System, it would eliminate the need for so much paper!

 They were really big on the last part.  So much so that at Langley, the DCM ordered that all - ALL - copies of the old-style work order paperwork be destroyed.  If any of these forms were to be found in future inspections, it would be a write-up.

I was running 71st Combat Munitions Unit Line Delivery when that message came down, and this was just a few days away from when MMICS was going to go live.  And for the first time in my career, I made a conscious decision to disobey an order:  I grabbed all the work order pads I could and smuggled them out to my car, stowing them securely in the trunk, because I didn't trust the system.

I was right:  MMICS went live at 0001 hours the next Monday morning, and crashed at a little bit past 0500.  And it stayed that way for almost three months.  1TFW was pretty much SOL for several days until they could put together workarounds...except for Ammo, which went right back to work with the work order pads I hadn't gotten rid of.  The leadership made some pro forma disapprovals of my disregard of orders, then gave me a three day pass.

The point of the whole story - this crap kept happening, and happening, and happening OVER AND OVER AND OVER again on every single system the USAF has ever tried to implement.  Anyone who wasn't keeping copies on the old forms, even if you had to keep xeroxing the damned things, simply had way too much confidence in Air Force's ability to get anything like this running right.
 
2022-11-24 11:56:02 AM  
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2022-11-24 12:20:14 PM  
Years ago, my (private sector) company bought some new performance eval software.  Among other things, it had an automated function that would check your self assessment for any "inappropriate" language.  I wrote something like "As part of the xyz project I wrote code to differentiate between old style and new style hardware".  Simple enough.  The automated language Nazi flagged it for three separate infractions.  After that, no one took the software seriously
 
2022-11-24 12:29:21 PM  
I see not much has changed with evals since my enlistment ended 28 years ago. They were "fixing the process" then as well.
 
2022-11-24 12:54:05 PM  

brax33: brax33: Gubbo: Is there a good performance review software package in the world.

Or is it the process that's broken and not the software

"You did amazing this year but I'm not allowed to give you all exceptionals on reviews, they'll just be sent back to me even with full justifications."

Have heard this multiple times while working for the govt.

Also, shiat like this is why quiet quitting became a thing.

If you "max out" (as much as is allowed) your review every year because you're so good at your job, there's no "visible" improvement on reviews, so you're passed over for raises because you're just consistent. Consistently excellent, but still only consistent to people who only read reviews and compare them to the previous year.

Don't appreciate the talent of your employees and eventually they'll realize that there's absolutely no point in trying.

If you consistently put in actual effort, you get punished, so why even bother? Go back to crunch time when it's actually critical, but otherwise put in the effort of what your salary and appreciation by managers says they value you at. (Less than dirt, more often than not.)


All of this.

It's not unheard of for people to intentionally perform poorly on stupid stuff like getting training done on time, so they can "fix" it next review period and therefore show improvement.
 
2022-11-24 1:26:20 PM  
To many wrong color people getting promoted.
 
2022-11-24 3:27:37 PM  
I've never worked somewhere that did self-evaluations, but they always seem like another instance of employees doing management's job for them. If you're a manager / boss / officer, shouldn't you know enough about your employees to rate their performance? Otherwise, what exactly are you managing?
 
2022-11-24 8:58:21 PM  
Navy still using NAVFIT98.exe to write evals.
 
2022-11-24 11:58:19 PM  
Getting rid of E-3 evals didn't make the sky fall, maybe try expanding it and see what happens.
 
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