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(Philly Voice)   Philadelphia is putting the homeless in a tiny village   (phillyvoice.com) divider line
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2586 clicks; posted to Main » on 23 Nov 2022 at 7:25 PM (2 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-11-23 5:59:04 PM  
*steals punchline from old joke*

Call them "Stay Free Mini Pads"
 
2022-11-23 6:07:44 PM  
Here's a version for veterans as well

https://www.veteranscommunityproject.org/about

/Jason Kander is heavily involved
//and if you don't know who that is you need to read his book
 
2022-11-23 7:27:35 PM  
A model for the rest of the country.
 
2022-11-23 7:33:48 PM  
Tiny homes for some, abortion bans for others!
 
2022-11-23 7:35:15 PM  
Good. Camden, Newark, Jersey City and Asbury Park need to do this.
 
2022-11-23 7:35:54 PM  
What is that, a village for ants?!
 
2022-11-23 7:35:58 PM  
Oh my god just build studio apartments.
 
2022-11-23 7:36:52 PM  
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"That's me, baby."
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2022-11-23 7:39:16 PM  
A step up from Hope Domes (tm)(pt).

Build them big enough (quantity, not size), and you can call it a Smurf Village.  Money from the copyright use will POOR in!
 
2022-11-23 7:41:01 PM  
Do they have a dancer you can hold close?
Ok, how about a Tony Danza?
 
2022-11-23 7:43:23 PM  
They haven't thought it through.They are just spending tax money to give people housing. But then the people have an address that says to an employer: "I can't make it and I'm on public assistance.." Unless they find an employer who will take a chance on them, they will never "transition into permanent housing."

Unfortunately that is the model that my city is using as well. One of the goals of this city-sponsored housing is to get around the HUD Section 8 rules that require the resident to be a US citizen... let's not go there.
 
2022-11-23 7:45:03 PM  
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That looks pretty sweet.... wish i was homeless.
 
2022-11-23 7:46:38 PM  

YixilTesiphon: Oh my god just build studio apartments.


I dunno.  If one of the lessons is house/yard maintenance this could be worth the space.
 
2022-11-23 7:47:49 PM  

chewd: [media.phillyvoice.com image 735x490]

That looks pretty sweet.... wish i was homeless.


...yeah.  How about you try it and report back?
 
2022-11-23 7:48:07 PM  

WastrelWay: They haven't thought it through.They are just spending tax money to give people housing. But then the people have an address that says to an employer: "I can't make it and I'm on public assistance.." Unless they find an employer who will take a chance on them, they will never "transition into permanent housing."

Unfortunately that is the model that my city is using as well. One of the goals of this city-sponsored housing is to get around the HUD Section 8 rules that require the resident to be a US citizen... let's not go there.


What percentage are actually going to seek permanent work? I would venture in my city they mostly will not. Too many drugs and alcohol mixed with mental illness. Even in interviews done by local news most of them want to be left alone to do theri drugs. They won't go into the housing offered as there are rules.
 
2022-11-23 7:48:46 PM  
Until some developer comes along and Snidely Whiplash-es the whole thing.
 
2022-11-23 7:48:50 PM  

bearded clamorer: *steals punchline from old joke*

Call them "Stay Free Mini Pads"


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2022-11-23 7:50:29 PM  

wingedkat: YixilTesiphon: Oh my god just build studio apartments.

I dunno.  If one of the lessons is house/yard maintenance this could be worth the space.


I think homeless to studio apartment renter is a lot more realistic than homeless to homeowner. And the image shows something monstrously space inefficient in a rowhouse city like Philadelphia.
 
TWX
2022-11-23 7:50:56 PM  
Have they found a way to motivate residents to be good neighbors to each other and to avoid packratting every bit of junk they find like it's valuable treasure?

/does really want homelessness to be reduced
//doesn't see a good way to compel good behavior among a subset of those homeless
///mental illness is not cured by putting someone into a brightly-painted shack
 
2022-11-23 7:51:05 PM  

lilbjorn: A model for the rest of the country.


Eugene Oregon has been doing this as well for a while. Mixed results but it's better than letting them stay on the street.
 
2022-11-23 7:52:20 PM  

YixilTesiphon: Oh my god just build studio apartments.


They can't.

Remember the Projects?
 
2022-11-23 7:56:03 PM  

TWX: ///mental illness is not cured by putting someone into a brightly-painted shack


But no one gets better sleeping under a bridge.

/
You think I sleep under a bridge sober? 🙄
 
2022-11-23 7:58:49 PM  
Any mention of a village makes me think of this:
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Yes, I'm old
 
2022-11-23 8:00:21 PM  
But where will all the evicted Grunka Lunkas go?
 
2022-11-23 8:01:52 PM  
Homelessness: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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"It is not the housed's comfort that needs to be prioritized right now. So if you're wondering why homelessness continues to get worse in this country, one reason is that there are a lot of people - even liberals - who believe that homelessness is a personal failing, poverty can be avoided, and their own good fortune makes them not only better than the unhoused but more worthy of comfort. It is basically Reagan's attitude from a Whole Foods crowd.

And I don't want to oversimplify the logistics involved here. It will take a massive commitment in infrastructure, funding, and resources. But the very first step here is a collective change of perceptions. Basically, we need to stop being dicks and assuming that the unhoused are a collection of drug addict criminals who've chosen this life for themselves, instead of people suffering the inevitable consequences of gutted social programs and a nationwide divestment from affordable housing."
 
2022-11-23 8:04:28 PM  
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I'm not sure how having a home in the Metaverse is going to help anyone.
 
2022-11-23 8:07:37 PM  

WastrelWay: They are just spending tax money to give people housing.


That's as good a use of tax money as I can think of. Anything that the programme can accomplish in addition to that is a bonus.
 
2022-11-23 8:08:21 PM  
Or hear me out, YOU BUILD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX??
 
2022-11-23 8:15:23 PM  

waxbeans: TWX: ///mental illness is not cured by putting someone into a brightly-painted shack

But no one gets better sleeping under a bridge.

/
You think I sleep under a bridge sober? 🙄


I didnt even know you slept. I thought you just waited
 
2022-11-23 8:15:56 PM  
The mice are hunchbacked
 
2022-11-23 8:21:32 PM  

lilbjorn: A model for the rest of the country.


Sort of.

We built one and there are very few occupants. Something like just 3.

There's a lot of finger pointing going around but essentially the homeless prefer to be on the street with zero restrictions instead of living in a tiny home and have to be in treatment for any addictions etc.

It seems that for whatever reasons there are the reality of tiny homes being a solution isn't that simple.
 
2022-11-23 8:22:23 PM  
What cute little shacks!  And what a cute little garden!  It almost reminds me of...

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NOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooo!
 
2022-11-23 8:28:17 PM  

Ringshadow: Or hear me out, YOU BUILD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX??


Why?  It's clear they only have 5 homeless people:  Miss Scarlett, Mrs. Peacock, Colonel Mustard, Mr. Green and Professor Plum.
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2022-11-23 8:30:25 PM  

NephilimNexus: What cute little shacks!  And what a cute little garden!  It almost reminds me of...

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NOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooo!


You can save time by not putting in wires <guy_pointing_at_head.jpg>
 
2022-11-23 8:30:43 PM  
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2022-11-23 8:34:13 PM  

wingedkat: YixilTesiphon: Oh my god just build studio apartments.

I dunno.  If one of the lessons is house/yard maintenance this could be worth the space.


Because that's a skill that the people using these will need?
 
2022-11-23 8:35:03 PM  

YixilTesiphon: Oh my god just build studio apartments.


Problem: never going to anywhere close to the $4k/unit they're working with.

/get rich farkers to pay their damn taxes and we can do way the hell better for the homeless
 
2022-11-23 8:35:05 PM  

YixilTesiphon: wingedkat: YixilTesiphon: Oh my god just build studio apartments.

I dunno.  If one of the lessons is house/yard maintenance this could be worth the space.

I think homeless to studio apartment renter is a lot more realistic than homeless to homeowner. And the image shows something monstrously space inefficient in a rowhouse city like Philadelphia.


The space inefficiency I grant you.

Still, I'm not sure homeless to studio apartment is necessarily the best solution.
 
2022-11-23 8:36:41 PM  

NephilimNexus: What cute little shacks!  And what a cute little garden!  It almost reminds me of...

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NOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooo!


tatos for everyone!
 
2022-11-23 8:37:19 PM  

wingedkat: Still, I'm not sure homeless to studio apartment is necessarily the best solution.


The best solution is housed people in a space sensible way.
 
2022-11-23 8:38:34 PM  

chitownmike: wingedkat: YixilTesiphon: Oh my god just build studio apartments.

I dunno.  If one of the lessons is house/yard maintenance this could be worth the space.

Because that's a skill that the people using these will need?


It's a skill some of my neighbors sure need. Maybe we can do better by teaching the homeless how to take care of a house, then giving them one and the means to take care of it.
 
TWX
2022-11-23 8:41:25 PM  

wingedkat: YixilTesiphon: wingedkat: YixilTesiphon: Oh my god just build studio apartments.

I dunno.  If one of the lessons is house/yard maintenance this could be worth the space.

I think homeless to studio apartment renter is a lot more realistic than homeless to homeowner. And the image shows something monstrously space inefficient in a rowhouse city like Philadelphia.

The space inefficiency I grant you.

Still, I'm not sure homeless to studio apartment is necessarily the best solution.


Unfortunately I expect that the only way it would truly work would be to graduate those in a program through various steps.  An upgrade from the sort of 'accommodations' that the truly homeless endure (basically cobbled together and subject to being hauled-off as detritus illegally erected on land that the person does not own) to something halfway between a barracks and a victorian hotel (ie no plumbing and only the most minimal of space in one's private room, shared things like bathrooms that are dealt with hourly by staff so that a tenant has little space to truly mess up and messes are discovered and those creating them addressed), with upgrades to increasingly private and comfortable accommodation as demonstrated behavior proves them out.
 
2022-11-23 8:46:43 PM  
The whole point of housing first is that you don't have conditions. You don't require that they address their substance or mental health issues before they get housing, although you offer the appropriate resources for when they are ready to do that.

It's really hard to get your shiat together all by yourself when your main concern is not freezing to death tonight, and the drugs and alcohol might be the only things that get you through another horrible day.
 
2022-11-23 8:47:01 PM  
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2022-11-23 8:48:26 PM  
I'm a volunteer at a non-profit focused on getting the homeless housed.  The city in which I live is using a multi-pronged approach.  We've built tiny house villages ( I believe currently there about 80 individual structures).  We've also used city money to provide housing in former hotels on a short-term basis, and Habitat for Humanity is building actual small houses in multi-acre developments.  They also just recently opened a brand new building with apartments and various services in the same building.  We haven't solved the problem yet, and yes, there are those who would rather remain unhoused and "free" rather than follow necessary rules to participate in these programs, but we're making a dent, and I sleep better at night knowing this. I believe we just need to keep at it.
 
2022-11-23 8:49:59 PM  

Ringshadow: wingedkat: Still, I'm not sure homeless to studio apartment is necessarily the best solution.

The best solution is housed people in a space sensible way.


Sure.  And I agree, tiny houses are a gimmick, not a good use of space.

What we need is affordable housing, starting with studio apartments and moving to two bedroom apartments then to starter homes or townhomes or condos and onwards.  Studio housing should be affordable for people who work part time at a minimum wage job and should be covered by a minimum fixed income, and two bedrooms and up should be affordable for people who work full time at a minimum wage job.

That's what we need.

All the tiny houses and free apartments are at best a bandaid.  At worst, they're more corporate subsidies.
 
2022-11-23 8:50:49 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: WastrelWay: They haven't thought it through.They are just spending tax money to give people housing. But then the people have an address that says to an employer: "I can't make it and I'm on public assistance.." Unless they find an employer who will take a chance on them, they will never "transition into permanent housing."

Unfortunately that is the model that my city is using as well. One of the goals of this city-sponsored housing is to get around the HUD Section 8 rules that require the resident to be a US citizen... let's not go there.

What percentage are actually going to seek permanent work? I would venture in my city they mostly will not. Too many drugs and alcohol mixed with mental illness. Even in interviews done by local news most of them want to be left alone to do theri drugs. They won't go into the housing offered as there are rules.


Honestly what do these equivocations and rationalizations matter? The fact is we will always have people unable or unwilling to do for themselves. Still we must take care of them or allow them to suffer and die. What we do with or for the helpless says who we are as a people.
 
2022-11-23 8:52:49 PM  

chewd: [media.phillyvoice.com image 735x490]

That looks pretty sweet.... wish i was homeless.


Put all your money in crypto and give it a week.
 
2022-11-23 8:56:13 PM  
I think everyone here is forgetting that this is intended as a temporary solution. If it doesn't meet everybody's needs all the time, that's totally ok. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I'm in the business of designing and building cities. The homeless are a part of that. I'm an architect so naturally I should believe that the solutions lie in housing, but not all of them do. Ideas like this area worth exploring at a small scale like this - it's not as if this is wildly successful, that it'll ever be replicated at a large scale anyway. You simply can't scale something like this.

We need projects like this. We need affordable apartments within (and without announcing it) market-rate buildings. We need laneway housing. We need basement apartments and mobile home parks.

We need housing.

Not everybody is going to buy in. So what? Along with mental illness and substance abuse, lack of housing is what keeps people from participating in what you and I may consider a productive life (and that's not a fair thing to say at all). To reduce homelessness to a significant level, we need subsidized housing, affordable housing, health care and child care access, access to education and training, mentorship, and community. For a start.
 
2022-11-23 8:56:50 PM  

RedVentrue: what do these equivocations and rationalizations matter


Unless you are willing to force these people into facilities, which is near impossible, there is no other choice. They don't want help. Portland is at the point where we are going to make outdoor camping illegal and open up huge dorm like housing. Already the homeless community is saying no, we want to be left alone.
 
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