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2022-11-23 1:31:08 PM  
Rectal tumor. Damn near killed him.

Doctor's response: "Look, if you had to deal with this asshole, you would have done the same."

/as a reminder, turkey on the buffet tomorrow at the Red Carpet lounge.
 
2022-11-23 1:37:33 PM  
Fake doctor fails to perform medical treatment.
What a shocking result!
 
2022-11-23 1:38:18 PM  
I'm sure a Chiropractor could adjust that for them.
 
2022-11-23 1:41:12 PM  
What would he have recommended if he'd found the tumor? Eating lots of garlic perhaps and maybe throw in some tumeric?
 
2022-11-23 1:43:46 PM  
They license these quacks in Canada? And then people claim that their healthcare system is better than ours. No wonder I drink.
 
2022-11-23 1:43:49 PM  

whatshisname: I'm sure a Chiropractor DJ could adjust that for them.


That Mitchell and Webb Look - Chiropractor
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2022-11-23 1:45:42 PM  

WastrelWay: They license these quacks in Canada? And then people claim that their healthcare system is better than ours. No wonder I drink.


They license them in America too.  The professional association is for North America, and most of the schools are here.  So, once again, we are exporting our bullsh*t to make other countries worse.
 
2022-11-23 1:46:24 PM  
Naturopath "doctor", lol, all that quack sh*t needs to go away.
 
2022-11-23 1:47:12 PM  

WastrelWay: They license these quacks in Canada? And then people claim that their healthcare system is better than ours. No wonder I drink.


They believe in constitutional rights in Canada. Especially in constitutional right to Canadian Geese wings is
 
2022-11-23 1:49:39 PM  
Hire a clown, expect a circus, and all.
 
2022-11-23 1:51:52 PM  
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2022-11-23 1:52:53 PM  

WastrelWay: They license these quacks in Canada? And then people claim that their healthcare system is better than ours. No wonder I drink.


I'm of two minds about it. On the one hand, I think licensing them gives them an air of respectability they don't deserve, on the other hand, if these quacks are going to be around, then having a baseline standard of care required to practice as one is probably a good idea (see also, chiropractors)
 
2022-11-23 1:55:00 PM  
Someone let a "naturopath" tool around in their b-hole for 4 months.

What's a natural cure for hemorrhoids? Sit in the snow?
 
2022-11-23 1:58:42 PM  

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I don't find this accurate. Osteopathic medicine is not the same thing as naturopathic medicine or homeopathic medicine. Osteopaths are basically M.D.s now, by training and by experience.
 
2022-11-23 2:00:20 PM  

WastrelWay: They license these quacks in Canada? And then people claim that their healthcare system is better than ours. No wonder I drink.


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In the US, we let our quacks make their own certification board when they can't get in the real one. Then we elect them to the Senate and let them harass actual doctors like they have the slightest clue what they're talking about.
 
2022-11-23 2:02:18 PM  

proteus_b: Autoerotic Defenestration: [Fark user image 500x617]

I don't find this accurate. Osteopathic medicine is not the same thing as naturopathic medicine or homeopathic medicine. Osteopaths are basically M.D.s now, by training and by experience.


If you want to be a Naturopath, you should have to get your MD first, then go to Hogwarts for the additional training.
 
2022-11-23 2:03:10 PM  

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Osteopath is not the same thing as "Natruopath".

Osteopaths are doctors who, in addition to regular medicine, are also trained in manual medicine therapies. Basically, they're a combination doctor and physical therapist.
 
2022-11-23 2:03:38 PM  
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2022-11-23 2:06:26 PM  
Not a real doctor but I play for pay in an office setting. Take these placebos and Venmo me.
 
2022-11-23 2:08:22 PM  
Pseudoscientific bullshiat has consequences. Who knew?
 
2022-11-23 2:08:50 PM  

Mr.Insightful: Autoerotic Defenestration: [Fark user image 500x617]

Osteopath is not the same thing as "Natruopath".

Osteopaths are doctors who, in addition to regular medicine, are also trained in manual medicine therapies. Basically, they're a combination doctor and physical therapist.


and combination quack.
 
2022-11-23 2:09:41 PM  

LewDux: WastrelWay: They license these quacks in Canada? And then people claim that their healthcare system is better than ours. No wonder I drink.

They believe in constitutional rights in Canada. Especially in constitutional right to Canadian Geese wings is


Go see a naturopath for your stroke symptoms, droopy face.
 
2022-11-23 2:11:20 PM  

Mr.Insightful: Osteopaths are doctors who, in addition to regular medicine, are also trained in manual medicine therapies. Basically, they're a combination doctor and physical therapist.


I would take it even a bit further. Residencies and fellowships don't distinguish on the basis of the medical degree. Medical school is the first four years of training; to become board certified in many specialties takes many years of subsequent training. I would phrase this as

Osteopaths (D.O.s) are doctors who, in addition to learning the same curriculum as M.D.s, spent a small portion of the first four years of training learning manual medicine therapies. Basically, they're a doctor who had some additional courses on holistic treatment during the first few years.
 
2022-11-23 2:13:30 PM  
So he went to a naturopathic "doctor" to get hemorrhoids treated and the "doctor" never noticed a tumor?

Well that's shocking, they're usually excellent in everything that is healthcare.


Did he at least get some nice tasty tea for his hemmies?
 
2022-11-23 2:14:40 PM  
Patient lost: Killed (Connection reset by peer)
 
2022-11-23 2:15:31 PM  

miscreant: WastrelWay: They license these quacks in Canada? And then people claim that their healthcare system is better than ours. No wonder I drink.

I'm of two minds about it. On the one hand, I think licensing them gives them an air of respectability they don't deserve, on the other hand, if these quacks are going to be around, then having a baseline standard of care required to practice as one is probably a good idea (see also, chiropractors)


Then the license should be a medical license.  You can't design a new engine without understanding engines in the first place - to be a naturopath or chiropractor should require you to get through standard medical school first.

At which point I'd hope you'd have learned why your original goal was farking stupid, but if not, at the very least you'd have no excuse if your quack treatments caused harm.
 
2022-11-23 2:15:48 PM  

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No. Osteopaths get a competent medical education and can do residencies at real medical schools. They are a cut above the quacks and nutbars
 
2022-11-23 2:16:51 PM  
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More qualified and makes house calls.
 
2022-11-23 2:19:52 PM  

New Rising Sun: WastrelWay: They license these quacks in Canada? And then people claim that their healthcare system is better than ours. No wonder I drink.

They license them in America too.  The professional association is for North America, and most of the schools are here.  So, once again, we are exporting our bullsh*t to make other countries worse.


In Oregon they are approved to prescribe and perform most procedures of real doctors too.
 
2022-11-23 2:28:55 PM  

patrick767: What would he have recommended if he'd found the tumor? Eating lots of garlic perhaps and maybe throw in some tumeric?


I knew a gal who was treating pancreatic cancer with peppermint tea, because she said she couldn't afford treatment (she couldn't.)
she died.  But to be fair, I don't think she paid for her medical advice.
 
2022-11-23 2:30:05 PM  

proteus_b: Mr.Insightful: Osteopaths are doctors who, in addition to regular medicine, are also trained in manual medicine therapies. Basically, they're a combination doctor and physical therapist.

I would take it even a bit further. Residencies and fellowships don't distinguish on the basis of the medical degree. Medical school is the first four years of training; to become board certified in many specialties takes many years of subsequent training. I would phrase this as

Osteopaths (D.O.s) are doctors who, in addition to learning the same curriculum as M.D.s, spent a small portion of the first four years of training learning manual medicine therapies. Basically, they're a doctor who had some additional courses on holistic treatment during the first few years.


Yeah, basically if you're thinking about seeing a chiropractor, maybe consider an osteopath with relevant experience instead. They're real doctors. Though I'd probably start with an orthopedist. However, they'll do imaging and if they don't find something structurally wrong, they probably won't be helpful. You definitely want to know if there's something wrong the orthopedist can find though.
 
2022-11-23 2:30:07 PM  
What the hell is a naturopath doing (allegedly) injecting Botox into a patient? What's natural about that?
 
2022-11-23 2:30:28 PM  
MY QI IS IN PERFECT BALANCE
 
2022-11-23 2:32:17 PM  
Nelson has alleged the 2019 procedure fractured her upper jaw bone, caused some of her teeth to die and led to headaches, blurred vision, post-traumatic stress disorder and insomnia.

You  don't  get PTSD from a medical procedure.  Just shut the hell up about it.  There are people who really have PTSD, and it pisses us off when you farking snowflakes get PTSD from seeing a bad movie. .
 
2022-11-23 2:33:54 PM  

cryinoutloud: patrick767: What would he have recommended if he'd found the tumor? Eating lots of garlic perhaps and maybe throw in some tumeric?

I knew a gal who was treating pancreatic cancer with peppermint tea, because she said she couldn't afford treatment (she couldn't.)
she died.  But to be fair, I don't think she paid for her medical advice.


Honestly, normally I'd say that's sad but in this case the outcome was likely unchanged.

Pancreatic cancers are usually very treatment-resistant, and detected too late on top of that.
 
2022-11-23 2:46:55 PM  
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2022-11-23 2:47:02 PM  

Mr.Insightful: Autoerotic Defenestration: [Fark user image 500x617]

Osteopath is not the same thing as "Natruopath".

Osteopaths are doctors who, in addition to regular medicine, are also trained in manual medicine therapies. Basically, they're a combination doctor and physical therapist.


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2022-11-23 2:51:10 PM  

New Rising Sun: WastrelWay: They license these quacks in Canada? And then people claim that their healthcare system is better than ours. No wonder I drink.

They license them in America too.  The professional association is for North America, and most of the schools are here.  So, once again, we are exporting our bullsh*t to make other countries worse.


Naturopaths are not licensed in my state. That might be worse, since anyone can call themselves a "naturopath" as long as they don't call themselves a "doctor" and feed on the gullible and ignorant.
 
2022-11-23 2:52:02 PM  
I'm just here to applaud subby for equating a naturopath to a tumor.

Bravo!
 
2022-11-23 3:03:53 PM  

swaniefrmreddeer: Naturopath "doctor", lol, all that quack sh*t needs to go away.


I'm almost certain Smith will make Naturopaths mandatory in Alberta in the near future
 
2022-11-23 3:19:32 PM  

Marcos P: Someone let a "naturopath" tool around in their b-hole for 4 months.


I didn't realize I could get paid for that! And I don't even need to be a medical doctor!
 
2022-11-23 3:20:56 PM  
You know,ayne we should make naturopaths illegal.

And homeopaths. And chiropractors. And Ayurveda, and Chinese "traditional" "medicine," and all other forms of pseudoscientifoc quackery. Maybe we should, I dunno, actually use science.
 
2022-11-23 3:23:00 PM  
the first two paragraphs on nephropathy in wikipeida has got to be one of the all time great shiatposts.


Naturopathy, or naturopathic medicine, is a form of alternative medicine.[1] A wide array of pseudoscientific practices branded as "natural", "non-invasive", or promoting "self-healing" are employed by its practitioners, who are known as naturopaths. Difficult to generalize, these treatments range from outright quackery, like homeopathy, to widely accepted practices like psychotherapy.[2][3][4] The ideology and methods of naturopathy are based on vitalism and folk medicine rather than evidence-based medicine, although some practitioners may use techniques supported by evidence.[5][6][7]Naturopathic practitioners commonly recommend against following modern medical practices, including but not limited to medical testing, drugs, vaccinations, and surgery.[8][9][10][11] Instead, naturopathic practice relies on unscientific notions, often leading naturopaths to diagnoses and treatments that have no factual merit.[12][13]

Naturopathy is considered by the medical profession to be ineffective and harmful, raising ethical issues about its practice.[12][14][15] In addition to condemnations and criticism from the medical community, such as the American Cancer Society,[16] naturopaths have repeatedly been denounced as and accused of being charlatans and practicing quackery.[12][17][18][19][20][21]
 
2022-11-23 3:23:54 PM  
I don't know how it works outside of BC, but here in BC all naturopaths are required to have the same education and degrees a regular doctor has and be members of the BC Medical Association, I went to one once and he explained the main difference is that instead of prescribing drugs, he prescribes the plants the drugs are derived from. The idea being that there is that something else in the plant that is not included in the regular drug that might help.

They are supposed to be for people who have already tried normal medicine and it didn't work. He told me about a third of his patients get better just by changing their diets, which is what he had me do and it worked. He said if regular doctors would emphasize diet in their diagnoses then he would be out of business. My regular doctor had talked briefly about changing parts of my diet, but never followed up on any of that and went straight for the drug solution. He also said he gets a lot of terminal cancer patients hoping for a "miracle", but in the best cases he can only help extend their lives slightly.
 
2022-11-23 3:28:22 PM  

Autoerotic Defenestration: Mr.Insightful: Autoerotic Defenestration: [Fark user image 500x617]

Osteopath is not the same thing as "Natruopath".

Osteopaths are doctors who, in addition to regular medicine, are also trained in manual medicine therapies. Basically, they're a combination doctor and physical therapist.

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either you were having a stroke while writing that caption or i'm having one while reading it.
 
2022-11-23 3:37:12 PM  
Last of the Hippies:

As with any medical treatment on the edge, he sounds alright.

I consider certain chiro manipulations ( basically anything that isn't the spine)  complimentary to physical therapy, but adjustments are too risky for anyone.

Traditional chinese medicine when practiced properly is very good at getting you eating the plants roots etc to help like you said using the plants the drugs are derived from.

The bigger issue with TCM and naturopathic medicine is that with Prescription drugs you are getting a precision amount of the chemical needed along with carriers that allow it to target the needed area.

The hardest part, is avoiding the quacks and using these services as complimentary to your main care.
 
2022-11-23 3:53:46 PM  

New Rising Sun: WastrelWay: They license these quacks in Canada? And then people claim that their healthcare system is better than ours. No wonder I drink.

They license them in America too.  The professional association is for North America, and most of the schools are here.  So, once again, we are exporting our bullsh*t to make other countries worse.


Yeah, but.....
Like the AMA, the bar association, they are all self regulating, and set the standards their own standards.
Who are we to tell them their job, and the standards for that job.
THEY HAVE STANDARDS!!!!
 
2022-11-23 3:57:27 PM  
Fara Clark:

1. Don't have sex with clients
2. If you're not getting 10% of your clients income you're not working hard enough.
 
2022-11-23 4:00:52 PM  

UltimaCS: WastrelWay: They license these quacks in Canada? And then people claim that their healthcare system is better than ours. No wonder I drink.

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In the US, we let our quacks make their own certification board when they can't get in the real one. Then we elect them to the Senate and let them harass actual doctors like they have the slightest clue what they're talking about.


Comparing Fauci to a medical doctor is like comparing a manufacturing plant manager to the machinist that operates a CNC.
 
2022-11-23 4:05:06 PM  

Last of the Hippies: I don't know how it works outside of BC, but here in BC all naturopaths are required to have the same education and degrees a regular doctor has and be members of the BC Medical Association, I went to one once and he explained the main difference is that instead of prescribing drugs, he prescribes the plants the drugs are derived from. The idea being that there is that something else in the plant that is not included in the regular drug that might help.

They are supposed to be for people who have already tried normal medicine and it didn't work. He told me about a third of his patients get better just by changing their diets, which is what he had me do and it worked. He said if regular doctors would emphasize diet in their diagnoses then he would be out of business. My regular doctor had talked briefly about changing parts of my diet, but never followed up on any of that and went straight for the drug solution. He also said he gets a lot of terminal cancer patients hoping for a "miracle", but in the best cases he can only help extend their lives slightly.


so what you're saying is the regular doctor told you what to do
My regular doctor had talked briefly about changing parts of my diet
but b/c he didn't hound you like a small child about it or pretend it was magic woo woo bullshiat you refused to try that.
but never followed up on any of that
so he offered you an easy solution instead, which he assumed you wanted instead.  such as most lazy and unmotivated people who refuse to change their diet want.
and went straight for the drug solution
and instead of telling him "no i want to do the first thing" you had a fit and are now complaining that he was wrong.

i hate to tell you but the problem wasnt your doctor.
its people like you who try to sit on the fence between
"i will only accept healthy/natural/non-drug medical solutions"
and
"i will only USE healthy/natural/non-drug medical solutions if the medical professional LIES TO ME and says that is the only alternative available."
 
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