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(Yahoo)   Would you willingly spend a year in jail if someone paid you $2 million? How about 20 years at $2 mil/year? Well this guy wasn't given that choice, but at least now he is getting paid   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2816 clicks; posted to Main » on 23 Nov 2022 at 10:05 AM (2 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-11-23 9:35:03 AM  
Which jail?
 
2022-11-23 9:38:41 AM  
A few weeks ago there was a story about a guy who was wrongly convicted of murder and spent 30 years in prison before they finally looked at the DNA evidence and let him go. I guess different states have different policies. Oh and he was black.
 
2022-11-23 9:54:18 AM  
Nothing will change, the police dept isn't paying a thin dime.  Judgements like this usually don't include sanctioning pension payments (think OJ as an example) and the former detective will get taken care of under the table otherwise.

Now the taxpayers, on the other hand, will be on the hook if the judgement stands after appeal.

Same as its ever was, nothing will change

As fir whether I'd go to jail for a year for 2 mil, I would depending on where I was sent.  Certainly not in a place like Angola, for example
 
2022-11-23 10:08:38 AM  

SpaceMonkey-66: Nothing will change, the police dept isn't paying a thin dime.  Judgements like this usually don't include sanctioning pension payments (think OJ as an example) and the former detective will get taken care of under the table otherwise.

Now the taxpayers, on the other hand, will be on the hook if the judgement stands after appeal.

Same as its ever was, nothing will change

As fir whether I'd go to jail for a year for 2 mil, I would depending on where I was sent.  Certainly not in a place like Angola, for example


Sweden, Norway, anywhere that would allow me access to education.

Christ, people in North America PAY to stay in shiattier rooms with crappier food in order to get educated...
 
2022-11-23 10:08:57 AM  
Nope.  Life is more valuable than money.
 
2022-11-23 10:09:04 AM  
One year? Yes, especially if I get paid up front. Put the money into an investment account while you serve your time and can't do anything with it, then start living off of the interest. Assume you can get a 5% ROI yearly you end your sentence with 2.1 million. If you continue to get 5% ROI every year that is 105k a year which is more than most make.

Being able to live a quiet middle class lifestyle and never work another day in my life? Yes please
 
2022-11-23 10:11:39 AM  

Klivian: One year? Yes, especially if I get paid up front. Put the money into an investment account while you serve your time and can't do anything with it, then start living off of the interest. Assume you can get a 5% ROI yearly you end your sentence with 2.1 million. If you continue to get 5% ROI every year that is 105k a year which is more than most make.

Being able to live a quiet middle class lifestyle and never work another day in my life? Yes please


But you have to pay off the prison gangs if you want to make it through the year.
 
2022-11-23 10:13:51 AM  

nullptr: Klivian: One year? Yes, especially if I get paid up front. Put the money into an investment account while you serve your time and can't do anything with it, then start living off of the interest. Assume you can get a 5% ROI yearly you end your sentence with 2.1 million. If you continue to get 5% ROI every year that is 105k a year which is more than most make.

Being able to live a quiet middle class lifestyle and never work another day in my life? Yes please

But you have to pay off the prison gangs if you want to make it through the year.


Meh, work usually bends me over harder than any prison gang would, and at least that's temporary. Work is for the rest of my life
 
2022-11-23 10:13:52 AM  
What about a bad marriage? Would you spend 20 years in a bad marriage for 40 million dollars?

Would you spend 20 years in Texas or Florida?
 
2022-11-23 10:13:53 AM  
Nah
 
2022-11-23 10:14:10 AM  
With conjugal visits?
 
2022-11-23 10:16:11 AM  

Tentacle: With conjugal visits?


From Bubba, yes.
 
2022-11-23 10:16:44 AM  

mikaloyd: What about a bad marriage? Would you spend 20 years in a bad marriage for 40 million dollars?

Would you spend 20 years in Texas or Florida?


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Tentacle: With conjugal visits?

 
2022-11-23 10:18:04 AM  

Tentacle: With conjugal visits?


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2022-11-23 10:18:36 AM  

Klivian: One year? Yes, especially if I get paid up front. Put the money into an investment account while you serve your time and can't do anything with it, then start living off of the interest. Assume you can get a 5% ROI yearly you end your sentence with 2.1 million. If you continue to get 5% ROI every year that is 105k a year which is more than most make.

Being able to live a quiet middle class lifestyle and never work another day in my life? Yes please


I think I'd take the 1 year deal, too.

20? No farking way. After 1 or 2 years, I wouldn't be willing to do jack shiat for more money.
 
2022-11-23 10:21:13 AM  
Reading the case details show this is another absolutely horrible frame job done by police: https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/casedetail.aspx?caseid=5182

The case was cold for a year until a guy working at GM plant went to police and said "This guy that used to work here kinda looks like your composite photo." Then another year passes before police interview the guy and also search his house for possible evidence (finding nothing). It was literally TWO. YEARS. LATER. that they found a guy who kinda, sorta looked like a composite picture drawn up by police.

And very similar to the Timothy Cole case in Texas, victims reported the attacker smoking throughout the crime. This guy convicted didn't smoke and all his friends as witnesses testified that he hated cigarettes.
 
2022-11-23 10:22:30 AM  

Tentacle: With conjugal visits?


If you aren't getting any while out of prison, don't pretend that you'll get any while you are inside.
 
2022-11-23 10:24:16 AM  
Betty
White
 
2022-11-23 10:24:25 AM  
the real rapist was free? Or did they find them?
 
2022-11-23 10:30:58 AM  

WillofJ2: the real rapist was free? Or did they find them?


We don't know as the Keystone cops go their man and didn't care after that.
 
2022-11-23 10:32:35 AM  
Sounds tempting, but I keep coming back to the people that risk their lives in dangerous shootouts -and way more jail time- to not go to jail. I'll pass, you can keep the two chicks.
 
2022-11-23 10:32:37 AM  

Klivian: One year? Yes, especially if I get paid up front. Put the money into an investment account while you serve your time and can't do anything with it, then start living off of the interest. Assume you can get a 5% ROI yearly you end your sentence with 2.1 million. If you continue to get 5% ROI every year that is 105k a year which is more than most make.

Being able to live a quiet middle class lifestyle and never work another day in my life? Yes please


Same (for the one year deal). I'm not anywhere near retirement and work is going to take up waaay longer than a year of my life.
 
2022-11-23 10:35:51 AM  

WillofJ2: the real rapist was free? Or did they find them?


In the article I posted the claim was made that they suspect another guy. Apparently no DNA evidence is available to test because the hairs they had as evidence (two were lost) were from the victims.
 
2022-11-23 10:38:41 AM  
TFA says someone raped a pair of twin girls in a single attack. I have a rule against joking about rape. However...
 
2022-11-23 10:40:51 AM  

DRTFA: TFA says someone raped a pair of twin girls in a single attack


Shortly after 7 p.m. on August 20, 1988, 22-year-old twin sisters C.W. and B.W. were kidnapped by a lone gunman as they got into their car outside a Best Products store in Dayton, Ohio. The man wearing sunglasses entered the back seat and demanded to see their purses. He said that he was a store security guard and his name was "Roger."

He then pointed a chrome handgun at them and ordered them to drive to a wooded area. There, he exposed himself, fondled their breasts, and forced them to perform oral sex on him. The man blindfolded both women and forced them to lie down in the back seat while he drove back to the Best Products store. He then fled with money from their purses, a lighter, and a pack of cigarettes.
 
2022-11-23 10:49:48 AM  
He added: "The jury's verdict sends a strong message that those in power need to change the way they do things."

None of this will come out of the wallets of the people who actually did this to him.
 
2022-11-23 10:51:18 AM  

SpaceMonkey-66: Nothing will change, the police dept isn't paying a thin dime.  Judgements like this usually don't include sanctioning pension payments (think OJ as an example) and the former detective will get taken care of under the table otherwise.

Now the taxpayers, on the other hand, will be on the hook if the judgement stands after appeal.

Same as its ever was, nothing will change

As fir whether I'd go to jail for a year for 2 mil, I would depending on where I was sent.  Certainly not in a place like Angola, for example


If I ever become mayor of a large city my negotiations with the police union will include a significant bump to thier pension plans, with the caveat that all police misconduct lawsuit payout deduct from that payment.   Hit ordinary cops in the pocket and they will become VERY concerned about the rules and the "thin blue line" will canish overnight
 
2022-11-23 10:53:26 AM  
this is why you always ask for a lawyer. always. with making a murderer or paradise lost. the police and prosecutors are the opposite of your friends.
bonus: once you ask for a lawyer the police cannot ask you any questions. then you can bring up a buttfor and when they ask you can sue them.
 
2022-11-23 10:57:48 AM  

SpaceMonkey-66: Nothing will change, the police dept isn't paying a thin dime.  Judgements like this usually don't include sanctioning pension payments (think OJ as an example) and the former detective will get taken care of under the table otherwise.

Now the taxpayers, on the other hand, will be on the hook if the judgement stands after appeal.

Same as its ever was, nothing will change

As fir whether I'd go to jail for a year for 2 mil, I would depending on where I was sent.  Certainly not in a place like Angola, for example


The problem is immunity, no one should have  immunity just to their job.

Do it right, or get charged/sued like the rest of us.
 
2022-11-23 11:01:56 AM  
Story is missing the part where the liars go to prison. That's gonna happen, right?
 
2022-11-23 11:02:19 AM  
How about we meet in the middle, and I get five years' probation for $5 million.  You can throw in an ankle bracelet as well if I get to pick the designer.
 
2022-11-23 11:02:31 AM  
$45M and he chose to live in Dayton?!? Man should have never faced trial due to diminished capacity.

/I kid
//Mostly
///But Dayton really is a depressing hellhole
 
2022-11-23 11:04:15 AM  
I did twelve for a helluva lot less. 😁
 
2022-11-23 11:11:15 AM  
He added: "The jury's verdict sends a strong message that those in power need to change the way they do things."

No, it didn't. They can still do whatever they want, under color of law, and, at worst, the taxpayers will maybe cough up cash to cover it later. Maybe.

"Justice prevailed in this case, although it took a long, long, long time for that to occur," said Petro...

No, it didn't.  Justice would include the perpetrators of this injustice being behind bars.
 
2022-11-23 11:17:01 AM  

DRTFA: TFA says someone raped a pair of twin girls in a single attack. I have a rule against joking about rape. However...


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/ i'm so sorry....
 
2022-11-23 11:30:45 AM  
So the pigs testilied an innocent man in to a 20 year jail term.

The pigs responsible should be forced to match those 20 years in prison.
 
2022-11-23 11:33:22 AM  
I mean, it wouldn't be great, but I've been at the same job for 20 years, and I made a LOT less money than that...
 
2022-11-23 11:38:18 AM  
I'm not exactly Joe Empathy but if I were one of those cops or the DA I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. I'd probably drink myself to death too.
 
2022-11-23 11:46:36 AM  

mikaloyd: What about a bad marriage? Would you spend 20 years in a bad marriage for 40 million dollars?

Would you spend 20 years in Texas or Florida?


What kind of bad marriage? Sexless? She cheats on you constantly? You cheat on her constantly? You both cheat? Joyless, mechanical sex, unchanging routine, and she will never cheat or leave you but you stopped loving her years ago?
 
2022-11-23 11:57:08 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: He added: "The jury's verdict sends a strong message that those in power need to change the way they do things."

None of this will come out of the wallets of the people who actually did this to him.


He was convicted in 1991 so that prosecutor is already gone on to something else. Likely they are a judge somewhere, denying appeals people file over wrongful prosecutions similar to what he did.
 
2022-11-23 11:57:49 AM  

Magorn: If I ever become mayor of a large city my negotiations with the police union will include a significant bump to thier pension plans, with the caveat that all police misconduct lawsuit payout deduct from that payment.


Sadly, you can't do that.
 
2022-11-23 12:02:09 PM  

chucknasty: this is why you always ask for a lawyer. always. with making a murderer or paradise lost. the police and prosecutors are the opposite of your friends


That doesn't appear to be a factor in this guy's case.

If you read the article I linked above, it appears to be a case where a vengeful supervisor at the guy's job fired him after a huge argument and then took his picture to police to say "I think this guy is the rapist you've been looking for over the past 12 months." The wanted poster with the composite sketch was up at the workplace for an entire year, no one thought this guy was the suspect, and suddenly his boss fires him and goes straight to police to tell them he did it. A petty workplace dispute resulted in this guy doing 20 years in prison.

Making it worse, the two detectives who first investigated the original tip ruled him out. He was way too big to be the accused rapist. One of the victims supposedly got a look at the rapist's pants size (the tag when his pants were unzipped or whatever) and this guy convicted could never have fit into the size of pants the victim reported. Only a year later when a new detective took over the case was this guy pursued. As part of his federal appeal two decades later the original two detectives testified how the convicted guy was entirely eliminated as a suspect during their investigation.
 
2022-11-23 12:02:30 PM  

king of vegas: Nope.  Life is more valuable than money.


I agree with that notion and would like to point out that IF it were $2 million for one year.... we normally spend 40 hours a week at work, plus more for the commute,. I'm going to call it 50 hours a week, or 1/3 of your adult working life to earn enough to exist and enjoy another 1/3 of your life.

Or take $2 million and live off the $70,000-$150,000 a year it would generate and take back the 10-15 years of your life you usually spend revolving around work.

Naturally this bargain's value changes dramatically based on your age, connections, health, and mental well-being. And we're living in a fantasy of reasonably fair treatment in jail.

18 year old me would definitely consider it. 45 year old me wouldn't.
 
2022-11-23 12:04:05 PM  

SpectroBoy: So the pigs testilied an innocent man in to a 20 year jail term.

The pigs responsible should be forced to match those 20 years in prison.


If you read the article I linked to above, it appears the police didn't have much at all to do with his conviction. It was a terrible photo lineup by the description of everything, and he clearly wasn't the suspect, but it does not appear that police lied about anything to get his conviction.

The victims of the rape were the ones who made the false ID and it's entirely likely they genuinely believe they ID'd the correct person. It's been demonstrated this happens over and over and over again.
 
2022-11-23 12:09:05 PM  
 Hooray the system works. Kinda. Hope he gets a lump sum tax free. Enjoy the rest of your life pal you earned it in manner no one should wish one another.
 
2022-11-23 1:00:07 PM  

Mugato: A few weeks ago there was a story about a guy who was wrongly convicted of murder and spent 30 years in prison before they finally looked at the DNA evidence and let him go. I guess different states have different policies. Oh and he was black.


I meant to add that he didn't get shiat for his trouble. Kind of an important point but I was doing like three things at the time.
 
2022-11-23 1:14:06 PM  
Can I do 2 weeks for $83k? Like, starting now?
 
2022-11-23 1:27:06 PM  
Nope. Jail sucks.
 
2022-11-23 1:43:48 PM  
Now lock up the A-holes that faked the evidence that convicted him. 20yrs sounds about right.
 
2022-11-23 2:11:01 PM  

king of vegas: Nope.  Life is more valuable than money.


Yes, for the same reason.

I'd spend a year, possibly two on the inside if it means getting 5 days a week over the next 20+ years back.
 
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