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2022-11-23 10:52:35 AM  
It is $1.99 for their 88 octane gas which iirc is 50% ethanol. I wouldn't run that in a lawn mower.
 
2022-11-23 10:56:44 AM  

Yellow Beard: It is $1.99 for their 88 octane gas which iirc is 50% ethanol. I wouldn't run that in a lawn mower.


"The gas that meets the deal (which is available until Nov. 28) is Sheetz' Unleaded 88. That's fuel that is 88 octane and contains up to 15 percent ethanol. The unleaded fuel most people use is octane 87 and contains up to 10% ethanol."
[Source]
 
2022-11-23 10:56:47 AM  

Yellow Beard: It is $1.99 for their 88 octane gas which iirc is 50% ethanol. I wouldn't run that in a lawn mower.


Ah, that's what it is, 50% ethanol.  I'll stick with the 10% stuff, thanks.
 
2022-11-23 10:58:01 AM  
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2022-11-23 10:58:29 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Yellow Beard: It is $1.99 for their 88 octane gas which iirc is 50% ethanol. I wouldn't run that in a lawn mower.

"The gas that meets the deal (which is available until Nov. 28) is Sheetz' Unleaded 88. That's fuel that is 88 octane and contains up to 15 percent ethanol. The unleaded fuel most people use is octane 87 and contains up to 10% ethanol."
[Source]


Ah, 15%, my bad.  I'm pretty sure nobody sells it around here anyway.
 
2022-11-23 10:59:52 AM  
Are the wings still the same octane?
 
2022-11-23 11:00:49 AM  
E85 in California is almost two bucks less than normal E10 (like $3.29 vs $5.09 or so).  I'd use it if my vehicle was rated to accept it, but it isn't.
 
2022-11-23 11:01:50 AM  
The fact we put ethanol in our gasoline is a travesty. Just an abject waste of agricultural land and appalling bribe to Iowa farmers.
 
2022-11-23 11:06:50 AM  
Doesn't  ethanolact as a speed booster?
 
2022-11-23 11:06:57 AM  

Yellow Beard: It is $1.99 for their 88 octane gas which iirc is 50% ethanol. I wouldn't run that in a lawn mower.


Not sure anyone is selling 50% ethanol gas...
 
2022-11-23 11:08:05 AM  

EvilVanMan: Yellow Beard: It is $1.99 for their 88 octane gas which iirc is 50% ethanol. I wouldn't run that in a lawn mower.

Ah, that's what it is, 50% ethanol.  I'll stick with the 10% stuff, thanks.


I did a few tests with my Forrester and I get just as good to slightly better fuel economy with it. And it's consistently cheaper.
 
2022-11-23 11:09:05 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: The fact we put ethanol in our gasoline is a travesty. Just an abject waste of agricultural land and appalling bribe to Iowa farmers.


I thought it was a waste product from the distilleries
 
2022-11-23 11:09:18 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Yellow Beard: It is $1.99 for their 88 octane gas which iirc is 50% ethanol. I wouldn't run that in a lawn mower.

"The gas that meets the deal (which is available until Nov. 28) is Sheetz' Unleaded 88. That's fuel that is 88 octane and contains up to 15 percent ethanol. The unleaded fuel most people use is octane 87 and contains up to 10% ethanol."
[Source]


Thanks for the correction. I still wouldn't run that in a lawn mower.
 
2022-11-23 11:09:46 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: The fact we put ethanol in our gasoline is a travesty. Just an abject waste of agricultural land and appalling bribe to Iowa farmers.


That won't change until Iowa stops being so important in the presidential nomination race.
 
2022-11-23 11:10:20 AM  
I hope someone comes along to tell us how much ethanol sucks.
 
2022-11-23 11:13:10 AM  

Jaesop: Yellow Beard: It is $1.99 for their 88 octane gas which iirc is 50% ethanol. I wouldn't run that in a lawn mower.

Not sure anyone is selling 50% ethanol gas...


FlexFuel is 85% ethanol. But you can't put it in anything that isn't specifically FlexFuel. 88 octane is fine for cars made in the last 20 years.
 
2022-11-23 11:13:51 AM  
Ethanol turned my engine all gay.
 
2022-11-23 11:14:40 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: The fact we put ethanol in our gasoline is a travesty. Just an abject waste of agricultural land and appalling bribe to Iowa farmers.


I dunno.  I prefer paying Iowa farmers than Putin or Middle Eastern assholes.
 
2022-11-23 11:15:02 AM  
Wawa is better. Fetterman almost lost the election over this. Hopefully in time after he heals from the stroke he will see the error of his ways. He's just lucky Oz was all in for Turkey Hill.
 
2022-11-23 11:16:55 AM  
Meanwhile in Wisconsin

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The price went up just to piss people off around election day, then it came down again
 
2022-11-23 11:26:23 AM  

Tentacle: TofuTheAlmighty: The fact we put ethanol in our gasoline is a travesty. Just an abject waste of agricultural land and appalling bribe to Iowa farmers.

I thought it was a waste product from the distilleries


Nope, the amount of ethanol we put in gas is WAY more than any waste ethanol produced in the US.

Corn is grown specifically for fuel consumption, when corn is pretty much the least efficient practical mean of generating industrial ethanol.
 
2022-11-23 11:32:54 AM  

Thingster: Tentacle: TofuTheAlmighty: The fact we put ethanol in our gasoline is a travesty. Just an abject waste of agricultural land and appalling bribe to Iowa farmers.

I thought it was a waste product from the distilleries

Nope, the amount of ethanol we put in gas is WAY more than any waste ethanol produced in the US.

Corn is grown specifically for fuel consumption, when corn is pretty much the least efficient practical mean of generating industrial ethanol.


And not just a small amount either.  40% of the corn grown in the USA is used for ethanol fuel blends now.
 
2022-11-23 11:43:38 AM  
Sheetz is Wawa done right.
 
2022-11-23 11:47:10 AM  

Yellow Beard: It is $1.99 for their 88 octane gas which iirc is 50% ethanol. I wouldn't run that in a lawn mower.


15%, but you still can't use it in a lawnmower.

I've built up enough points to get it for 72¢ a gallon.
 
2022-11-23 11:47:29 AM  

LucklessWonder: Sheetz is Wawa done right.


As someone who grew up in Delco smelling Wawa cows from his window, and longs for the days when Wawas were proper delis with flat iron grills... I agree.
 
2022-11-23 11:49:23 AM  

Subtonic: Wawa is better. Fetterman almost lost the election over this. Hopefully in time after he heals from the stroke he will see the error of his ways. He's just lucky Oz was all in for Turkey Hill.


Sheetz is better, and Fetterman got more votes from the Western side of Pennsylvania than any normal Democrat because he's a Sheetz guy.
 
2022-11-23 11:52:15 AM  

Jaesop: Yellow Beard: It is $1.99 for their 88 octane gas which iirc is 50% ethanol. I wouldn't run that in a lawn mower.

Not sure anyone is selling 50% ethanol gas...


If its 50% ethanol gas you have to label it E85.  And the ethanol is cheaper than gas...
 
2022-11-23 11:53:49 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: The fact we put ethanol in our gasoline is a travesty. Just an abject waste of agricultural land and appalling bribe to Iowa farmers.


Preach on brother!
 
2022-11-23 11:56:49 AM  
Put me with the Sheetz > Wawa group.  :)
 
2022-11-23 11:57:23 AM  
Merits of ethanol aside, this sounds like an antitrust-type law intended to prevent companies from wiping out their competitors using gas as a loss leader.
 
2022-11-23 12:00:27 PM  

Yellow Beard: It is $1.99 for their 88 octane gas which iirc is 50% ethanol. I wouldn't run that in a lawn mower.


15% not 50%.  And no, I still wouldn't run it in a lawn mower as ethanol is death on small engines as it is.

BTW, I work with a mechanical genius (No shiat, he machines his own fuel nozzles for his oil furnace and actively monitors the flue gasses to maximize efficiency.  He also manufactures his own tractor implements.) and he swears by CRC SP 400 to protect your stored small engines.  He takes off the air filter and fuel bowl after draining the system and sprays the gas tank and carb parts.

Pro tip:  when you buy an oil furnace from the same company that sells you your oil, they may not have your best interests at heart.  He's caught them installing the wrong fuel nozzles that blast oil into the furnace at a rate that the furnace can't keep up with, leading to poor combustion, excessive oil consumption, and gummed up burners.
 
2022-11-23 12:02:25 PM  

bluorangefyre: Subtonic: Wawa is better. Fetterman almost lost the election over this. Hopefully in time after he heals from the stroke he will see the error of his ways. He's just lucky Oz was all in for Turkey Hill.

Sheetz is better, and Fetterman got more votes from the Western side of Pennsylvania than any normal Democrat because he's a Sheetz guy.


Sheetz is better (though I hear the Sheetz people may be Trumpsters... erk):

- Deep fat fryer for delicious mozzarella sticks and other fried things (much better than the commercial convection microwaves.

- Large variety of snacks (much more than I see than other area convenience stores) with selections and/brands you don't normally see at other locations

- Comfortable indoor food seating area with TVs and diner style booth/bar seating in the newly built/refurbished locations

- Galliker's chocolate milk (my favorite, along with Upstate Farms Intense Chocolate Milk)

I do miss about 7 or so years ago when they had more variety of non-sugar free energy drinks (especially the now discontinued Team RealTree energy drinks) and fountain Pitch Black Mountain Dew (also discontinued... first bottle and then fountain...).

I wish they had these in New Jersey, but for some reason the Sheetz executives are allergic to placing any stores in NJ, NY, nor any states northeast of those two.
 
2022-11-23 12:08:07 PM  
I'm on team Sheetz because they put the fuel islands far enough from the convenience store at most of their locations that I can get in and out easily with my 34' travel trailer. The fact that I can also have the wife run in and grab good hot food while I fill up is the icing on the cake.
 
2022-11-23 12:08:42 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: - Galliker's chocolate milk (my favorite, along with Upstate Farms Intense Chocolate Milk)


You might enjoy this chocolate milk-centric website
 
2022-11-23 12:09:19 PM  
Wisconsin has the same law. To protect mom & pop stores. We still have some independent stations around me, but everything else is franchised. Not sure if it is a good or bad law, stops undercutting I suppose.

*shrug*
 
2022-11-23 12:19:53 PM  

phaseolus: DarkSoulNoHope: - Galliker's chocolate milk (my favorite, along with Upstate Farms Intense Chocolate Milk)

You might enjoy this chocolate milk-centric website


Thanks, I think I will enjoy it.
 
2022-11-23 12:24:15 PM  

Super Chronic: Merits of ethanol aside, this sounds like an antitrust-type law intended to prevent companies from wiping out their competitors using gas as a loss leader.


Yeah, this law really doesn't sit well with me. Price caps I can understand because preventing price gouging is a respectable goal, but imposing a floor only benefits your competition by not allowing you to undercut them.

Businesses really hate the free market.
 
2022-11-23 12:26:02 PM  
My 2014 Volt recommended premium fuel, I found that I got the best mileage out of E0.

I don't know what would have happened with E15, but it would most likely would have tripped the fuel life sensor early. So, more of an annoyance and a waste of fuel.
 
2022-11-23 12:27:40 PM  

Halfabee64: Pro tip:  when you buy an oil furnace from the same company that sells you your oil, they may not have your best interests at heart.  He's caught them installing the wrong fuel nozzles that blast oil into the furnace at a rate that the furnace can't keep up with, leading to poor combustion, excessive oil consumption, and gummed up burners.


That sounds like a pretty sophisticated scheme.  Our vendor would just put sludge in our tank and charge us for it and to come service the boiler.

/Went out of business last year
//Missed two deliveries toward the end
///I had the pleasure of filling 2 5-gallon jugs with diesel at 1am in 5-degree temps to get it running again, courtesy of the missed delivery.
 
2022-11-23 12:28:09 PM  
I'm in MD, and by now most folks around here have put their lawnmowers away for the winter, not to be seen again until April.
My 'winter' prep is just to add a stabilizer to the gas, and I'll make a point to go out and run the mower for a few minutes at least once a month, just enough to warm it up and basically run thru the gas in the carb. I have been doing this for years, and don't ever need more than two or three pulls. Obviously also helps to also replace the air filter and spark plug as needed.
 
2022-11-23 12:30:12 PM  

austerity101: Super Chronic: Merits of ethanol aside, this sounds like an antitrust-type law intended to prevent companies from wiping out their competitors using gas as a loss leader.

Yeah, this law really doesn't sit well with me. Price caps I can understand because preventing price gouging is a respectable goal, but imposing a floor only benefits your competition by not allowing you to undercut them.

Businesses really hate the free market.


That's how you get more Walmarts
 
2022-11-23 12:39:44 PM  

austerity101: Super Chronic: Merits of ethanol aside, this sounds like an antitrust-type law intended to prevent companies from wiping out their competitors using gas as a loss leader.

Yeah, this law really doesn't sit well with me. Price caps I can understand because preventing price gouging is a respectable goal, but imposing a floor only benefits your competition by not allowing you to undercut them.

Businesses really hate the free market.


Nah, this one makes sense. Sheetz could use this to drive Wawa and 7-11 out of business or, more likely, the locally owned shops that sell gas. Sheetz is big enough to absorb the loss and offset it with profits from their stores; the competition isn't. And then once the competition is wiped out, you can bet Sheetz won't be charging under cost for gas, or anything else, anymore. That's the essence of competition law.
 
2022-11-23 12:41:28 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Yellow Beard: It is $1.99 for their 88 octane gas which iirc is 50% ethanol. I wouldn't run that in a lawn mower.

"The gas that meets the deal (which is available until Nov. 28) is Sheetz' Unleaded 88. That's fuel that is 88 octane and contains up to 15 percent ethanol. The unleaded fuel most people use is octane 87 and contains up to 10% ethanol."
[Source]



I think every car I've ever owned recommended 87 octane.
 
2022-11-23 12:42:43 PM  

Super Chronic: austerity101: Super Chronic: Merits of ethanol aside, this sounds like an antitrust-type law intended to prevent companies from wiping out their competitors using gas as a loss leader.

Yeah, this law really doesn't sit well with me. Price caps I can understand because preventing price gouging is a respectable goal, but imposing a floor only benefits your competition by not allowing you to undercut them.

Businesses really hate the free market.

Nah, this one makes sense. Sheetz could use this to drive Wawa and 7-11 out of business or, more likely, the locally owned shops that sell gas. Sheetz is big enough to absorb the loss and offset it with profits from their stores; the competition isn't. And then once the competition is wiped out, you can bet Sheetz won't be charging under cost for gas, or anything else, anymore. That's the essence of competition law.


... or, to acknowledge the reality of corporate greed: no business willingly loses money out of generosity or benevolence to the community. They willingly lose money in the short term to make more money in the long term.
 
2022-11-23 12:45:13 PM  

Super Chronic: austerity101: Super Chronic: Merits of ethanol aside, this sounds like an antitrust-type law intended to prevent companies from wiping out their competitors using gas as a loss leader.

Yeah, this law really doesn't sit well with me. Price caps I can understand because preventing price gouging is a respectable goal, but imposing a floor only benefits your competition by not allowing you to undercut them.

Businesses really hate the free market.

Nah, this one makes sense. Sheetz could use this to drive Wawa and 7-11 out of business or, more likely, the locally owned shops that sell gas. Sheetz is big enough to absorb the loss and offset it with profits from their stores; the competition isn't. And then once the competition is wiped out, you can bet Sheetz won't be charging under cost for gas, or anything else, anymore. That's the essence of competition law.


Yet this isn't the law outside of Maryland, and Wawa and 7-11 still exist in those other states alongside Sheetz.
 
2022-11-23 1:08:12 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: bluorangefyre: Subtonic: Wawa is better. Fetterman almost lost the election over this. Hopefully in time after he heals from the stroke he will see the error of his ways. He's just lucky Oz was all in for Turkey Hill.

Sheetz is better, and Fetterman got more votes from the Western side of Pennsylvania than any normal Democrat because he's a Sheetz guy.

Sheetz is better (though I hear the Sheetz people may be Trumpsters... erk):

- Deep fat fryer for delicious mozzarella sticks and other fried things (much better than the commercial convection microwaves.

- Large variety of snacks (much more than I see than other area convenience stores) with selections and/brands you don't normally see at other locations

- Comfortable indoor food seating area with TVs and diner style booth/bar seating in the newly built/refurbished locations

- Galliker's chocolate milk (my favorite, along with Upstate Farms Intense Chocolate Milk)

I do miss about 7 or so years ago when they had more variety of non-sugar free energy drinks (especially the now discontinued Team RealTree energy drinks) and fountain Pitch Black Mountain Dew (also discontinued... first bottle and then fountain...).

I wish they had these in New Jersey, but for some reason the Sheetz executives are allergic to placing any stores in NJ, NY, nor any states northeast of those two.


Their chocolate milk is incredible and is what puts Sheetz over the top for me.

Fairlife is good too, but I can't buy that cause it's like crack and I'll keep drinking it nonstop, so I just buy regular milk and add Hershey's syrup.
 
2022-11-23 1:11:17 PM  

Super Chronic: Super Chronic: austerity101: Super Chronic: Merits of ethanol aside, this sounds like an antitrust-type law intended to prevent companies from wiping out their competitors using gas as a loss leader.

Yeah, this law really doesn't sit well with me. Price caps I can understand because preventing price gouging is a respectable goal, but imposing a floor only benefits your competition by not allowing you to undercut them.

Businesses really hate the free market.

Nah, this one makes sense. Sheetz could use this to drive Wawa and 7-11 out of business or, more likely, the locally owned shops that sell gas. Sheetz is big enough to absorb the loss and offset it with profits from their stores; the competition isn't. And then once the competition is wiped out, you can bet Sheetz won't be charging under cost for gas, or anything else, anymore. That's the essence of competition law.

... or, to acknowledge the reality of corporate greed: no business willingly loses money out of generosity or benevolence to the community. They willingly lose money in the short term to make more money in the long term.


Yeah, that's where the term "loss leader" comes from. Willing to take a loss on one item to make up elsewhere. That can even be done with stores, such as Starbucks, Walmart, or another company, flooding an area with stores and then when that tactic kills the mom and pop competition, they close the "underperforming" stores and raise prices in the remaining stores.
 
2022-11-23 1:13:51 PM  
Selling for under cost:  illegal
Gouging: ok
 
2022-11-23 1:17:03 PM  
Filled up for twenty bucks this morning, worth taking the chance on the higher ethanol.

There's an independent gas station in town that sells "100% pure gasoline" at one pump but it's over a dollar more per gallon.
 
2022-11-23 1:19:51 PM  

austerity101: Super Chronic: austerity101: Super Chronic: Merits of ethanol aside, this sounds like an antitrust-type law intended to prevent companies from wiping out their competitors using gas as a loss leader.

Yeah, this law really doesn't sit well with me. Price caps I can understand because preventing price gouging is a respectable goal, but imposing a floor only benefits your competition by not allowing you to undercut them.

Businesses really hate the free market.

Nah, this one makes sense. Sheetz could use this to drive Wawa and 7-11 out of business or, more likely, the locally owned shops that sell gas. Sheetz is big enough to absorb the loss and offset it with profits from their stores; the competition isn't. And then once the competition is wiped out, you can bet Sheetz won't be charging under cost for gas, or anything else, anymore. That's the essence of competition law.

Yet this isn't the law outside of Maryland, and Wawa and 7-11 still exist in those other states alongside Sheetz.


And the small mom and pop shops? Individual Wawa and 7-11 stores that happen to be located near Sheetz? Has Sheetz been charging below market for an extended period of time? I'm not trying to sealion here, but just to point out that it's complicated and ultimately it's a local matter. Different states have different economies, and they all might choose to regulate things differently.

And even if it's ultimately shown that a law like this isn't necessary in Maryland, ultimately the goal is consumer protection.
 
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