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(NPR)   NPR explains that, by deliberately shunning the Force, Jedi, lightsabers, and Tatooine, Andor ended up becoming the greatest Star Wars series of all time. OF ALL TIME   (npr.org) divider line
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2022-11-23 10:08:41 AM  
This has been discussed ad nauseum, yes.  You can't expect to keep making fiction in a setting where you limit it to something like half a dozen features.
 
2022-11-23 10:24:55 AM  
Ooh, maxi big the Force.
Well that smells stinkowith!
 
2022-11-23 10:25:09 AM  
I've watched the first 3 episodes and I'm convinced it's just a show with Star Wars costumes.
 
2022-11-23 10:26:30 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: I've watched the first 3 episodes and I'm convinced it's just a show with Star Wars costumes.


...As opposed to what?
 
2022-11-23 10:33:13 AM  

Last Man on Earth: cameroncrazy1984: I've watched the first 3 episodes and I'm convinced it's just a show with Star Wars costumes.

...As opposed to what?


I'd watch a nude Star Wars show.
 
2022-11-23 10:37:45 AM  
There's space for these stories to be told. I would argue they're needed. At some point the actual people who are caught up in the conflict should get some attention. The Jedi and the Sith are fighting at a whole other level, that conflict has been covered to death. We are at the point where there is just *ONE*  Sith lord who got to the top because the Jedi were a bunch of arrogant, cool with slavery, uncaring dipshiats.
The story of the rise of Palpatine is done, there are no more Sith and within the timeframe the holding pattern is for Luke to do his thing. The other Jedi are ...whom? Ah, Caleb, Ezra, and Ahsoka. We know what happened to Caleb which leaves Ezra farting around in the Unknown Regions, Ahsoka (that's a stay tuned but can't actually do anything that f*cks up the timeline) OH, AND GROGU, who chose to be Mandalorian instead of Jedi (can't say I blame him).
So, since "fans" threw a shiatfit when Rian Johnson tried to course correct the access to the Force in TLJ  (GOD FORBID THERE ARE OTHER JEDI WHO AREN'T SKYWALKERS) now everyone is stuck within the prequel-OT era.
Congrats, dipshiats.
 
2022-11-23 10:45:05 AM  

Xythero: Last Man on Earth: cameroncrazy1984: I've watched the first 3 episodes and I'm convinced it's just a show with Star Wars costumes.

...As opposed to what?

I'd watch a nude Star Wars show.


Yeah but if these show runners did that, it would be like the darker parts of "The Wire" and set in a Hutt's palace.

/Love Andor
 
2022-11-23 10:45:34 AM  

Xythero: Last Man on Earth: cameroncrazy1984: I've watched the first 3 episodes and I'm convinced it's just a show with Star Wars costumes.

...As opposed to what?

I'd watch a nude Star Wars show.


Most of the main characters are nekkid, but be careful about what you ask for.

Best of Star Wars Holiday Special: RiffTrax
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2022-11-23 10:45:56 AM  
Bslim:

Even within the expanded universe and legands


The Jedi and the Sith are the spiritual/philosophical battle

The political figures, mega corporations ( Zerka etc) and royals battle over power and control of laws and regulations etc

The armies/Navy's/rebels battle as they are told

The civilians face the repercussions and react by joining one of the above or just living their life
 
2022-11-23 10:46:43 AM  
Oh, and my solution?
1. Do a back jump to the Old Republic.

2. Do a forward jump like for...200 years, minimum.

3. Completely scrap the sequels and re-do that shiat properly. It could even have the same characters. Get rid of the Palpatine nonsense or do it right.
 
2022-11-23 10:48:36 AM  
 
2022-11-23 10:51:08 AM  

AuralArgument: csi_yellowknife:

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Very nice.
 
2022-11-23 10:55:51 AM  

AuralArgument: Bslim:

Even within the expanded universe and legands


The Jedi and the Sith are the spiritual/philosophical battle

The political figures, mega corporations ( Zerka etc) and royals battle over power and control of laws and regulations etc

The armies/Navy's/rebels battle as they are told

The civilians face the repercussions and react by joining one of the above or just living their life


The problem with that is that it is BOOOOORING AS F*CK.
Hey, and I get it, some folks want the Force and weilders jumping around and sh*t. Because that's all that it comes down to.
Did you read the Sith Lost Tribes stories? Those were really good, guess what they had more than stupid laser swords: Poiltical machinations, intrigue, and explorations on the nature and of the Force. Saber battles were almost an afterthought.
There comes a point when Force users jumping and dicking around with silly toys gets stale. The prequels showed that.
Hell, they could actually do Rogue and Wraith Squadron stories.
 
2022-11-23 11:17:26 AM  
Cows gotta dry up eventually
 
2022-11-23 11:17:44 AM  
https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/11/18/candor

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I've been avoiding watching Andor because I'm just burned out on watching a big corporation try and monetize their investment poorly. Star Wars became a big, dumb, mess with the last couple movies and the TV shows just seem driven by fan service. I watched some of the Mandalorian, and it was OK-ish at first, but quickly lost interest in season 2.

But evvvverybody is talking about Andor like it might be worth giving a shot.
 
2022-11-23 11:43:24 AM  
I could not have given less of a shiat about Cassian Andor and this series is giving me the background world that always had me interested as a kid. The one that was just on the edge of your sight but seemed more interesting than Trek Land
 
2022-11-23 11:50:52 AM  
mongbiohazard:
But evvvverybody is talking about Andor like it might be worth giving a shot.

It absolutely is.
 
2022-11-23 11:55:14 AM  

mongbiohazard: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/11/18/candor

[Fark user image image 425x177]

I've been avoiding watching Andor because I'm just burned out on watching a big corporation try and monetize their investment poorly. Star Wars became a big, dumb, mess with the last couple movies and the TV shows just seem driven by fan service. I watched some of the Mandalorian, and it was OK-ish at first, but quickly lost interest in season 2.

But evvvverybody is talking about Andor like it might be worth giving a shot.


It's the best pro-antifa show out there.
 
2022-11-23 12:01:05 PM  
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Um, EXCUSE ME, THIS STILL EXISTS
 
2022-11-23 12:01:52 PM  
When I want to be put to sleep, I start watching Andor.


/I keed mostly
//I haven't watched the finale yet and will do so...
///it's "okay" at best...honestly, don't really care about the characters and don't know who they are supposed to be (beyond Cassian)
///and we know he'll live to die in Rogue One
//palindrome slashies
/ftw
 
2022-11-23 12:16:15 PM  
Now I want a show that's nothing but talking lightsabers having adventures together as they learn the ways of the Force, just so we can watch a bunch of Farkers' heads explode like the ending of Kingsman.
 
2022-11-23 12:20:27 PM  

smd31: When I want to be put to sleep, I start watching Andor.


/I keed mostly
//I haven't watched the finale yet and will do so...
///it's "okay" at best...honestly, don't really care about the characters and don't know who they are supposed to be (beyond Cassian)
///and we know he'll live to die in Rogue One
//palindrome slashies
/ftw


No spoilers, but if/when you do watch the finale there is a post-credits scene.
 
2022-11-23 12:25:17 PM  

replacementcool: mongbiohazard: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/11/18/candor

[Fark user image image 425x177]

I've been avoiding watching Andor because I'm just burned out on watching a big corporation try and monetize their investment poorly. Star Wars became a big, dumb, mess with the last couple movies and the TV shows just seem driven by fan service. I watched some of the Mandalorian, and it was OK-ish at first, but quickly lost interest in season 2.

But evvvverybody is talking about Andor like it might be worth giving a shot.

It's the best pro-antifa show out there.


i.imgflip.comView Full Size


A..are the Antifas in the room with you now?
 
2022-11-23 12:33:21 PM  
Need 4 more seasons of Andor. I really want to know how Nexus dies...
I'm kinda curious about Mr I can't swim as well.
 
2022-11-23 12:41:36 PM  

mongbiohazard: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/11/18/candor

[Fark user image image 425x177]

I've been avoiding watching Andor because I'm just burned out on watching a big corporation try and monetize their investment poorly. Star Wars became a big, dumb, mess with the last couple movies and the TV shows just seem driven by fan service. I watched some of the Mandalorian, and it was OK-ish at first, but quickly lost interest in season 2.

But evvvverybody is talking about Andor like it might be worth giving a shot.


Because it's none of the things before it.

Give it a shot and be pleasantly surprised that it's got nothing with regards to fan service because it's all new. Every location, every set piece, every character (except for two main roots of connection to the history of Star Wars past and present). It looks at the seedy side of the Star Wars universe. Even in the middle of a prison riot the main character is under an assumed alias and it didn't mean as much to him as it did for the men who were forced in to prison labor for decades of their life. And there's this momentary pause where you are hit with the realization of that. He's under an assumed identity.

We see different perspectives, like what does android do when it's owner dies? What is the sacrifice and cost of a Senator about to be audited and coming up short on funds by a mindlessly bureaucratic evil that is all encompassing threatening to swallow her and her family up in it? Is it even worth fighting to protect the secret with her family completely oblivious to her sacrifice?

It has its problems of which there are many, but they aren't the problems of being too Disneyfied or Too LucasFilm. They are the problems of an experiment in to originality that isn't derivative of any of the works that came before it. It instead samples other works of science fiction, ever so briefly. There's hints of Aasimov, and Bradbury and Adams. And for what ever it's worth, it's a different take that has people calling it the adults version of Star Wars. Not because it's boring with not enough space wizards and space knights, and scoundrels and princesses to rescue, but because it doesn't talk down to its audience. It doesn't treat you like a miserable intellectually deficient mindless consumer. And it doesn't attack modern cultural warfare like a primate under a black obelisk.

It BARELY qualifies as Star Wars, if it wasn't for the iconography of storm troopers and imperial officers, you could drop it in to any science fiction world and it would be right at home, for good or for ill.
 
2022-11-23 12:57:14 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: Because it's none of the things before it.

Give it a shot and be pleasantly surprised that it's got nothing with regards to fan service because it's all new. Every location, every set piece, every character (except for two main roots of connection to the history of Star Wars past and present).


That's, I think, it's strongest argument to me right there. I think I'll give it a shot.
 
2022-11-23 1:00:26 PM  

AuralArgument: csi_yellowknife:

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2022-11-23 1:06:29 PM  
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2022-11-23 1:06:34 PM  

Bslim: There's space for these stories to be told. I would argue they're needed. At some point the actual people who are caught up in the conflict should get some attention. The Jedi and the Sith are fighting at a whole other level, that conflict has been covered to death. We are at the point where there is just *ONE*  Sith lord who got to the top because the Jedi were a bunch of arrogant, cool with slavery, uncaring dipshiats.
The story of the rise of Palpatine is done, there are no more Sith and within the timeframe the holding pattern is for Luke to do his thing. The other Jedi are ...whom? Ah, Caleb, Ezra, and Ahsoka. We know what happened to Caleb which leaves Ezra farting around in the Unknown Regions, Ahsoka (that's a stay tuned but can't actually do anything that f*cks up the timeline) OH, AND GROGU, who chose to be Mandalorian instead of Jedi (can't say I blame him).
So, since "fans" threw a shiatfit when Rian Johnson tried to course correct the access to the Force in TLJ  (GOD FORBID THERE ARE OTHER JEDI WHO AREN'T SKYWALKERS) now everyone is stuck within the prequel-OT era.
Congrats, dipshiats.


Personally I have a love/hate relationship with The Last Jedi.  Loved the direction, love the acting, the characters and even some of the best dialects. But it certainly wasn't what the main Star Wars is supposed to be.

People completely misunderstand why some fans hated The Last Jedi. People are fine with non-Skywalker Jedi. (We can ignore the incel idiot racist aspect)

What they objected to was treating trashing Luke character( even Hammil completely objected to this, but played it due to contracts and took it as an acting challenge) Introducing the Kylo and Ren romance.  The stupid plot of a slow chase across the galaxy with a more powerful ship that can't keep up, but apparently allows people to come and go as they please.  The continue waste of Phantasma.  Apparently an engineer that needed a smuggler to do a simple circuit swap to break into a lock.  Oh and Rain Johnson pride in "throwing out all conventions" without understanding that Star Wars main story is about "conventions", tropes and archetypes.

Disney farked it up from the beginning, rushing a movie out to recoup their money.  Bob Iger admitted that the Force Awakens was nothing but a cut and paste A New Hope for nostalgia sake and JJ "mr mystery box" admitted that they should have planned out the entire trilogy first.

First movie should have been a successful peaceful galaxy and a new threat emerges. Old characters go out in a blaze of glory half way through, then the new generation could have taken over and win the day.

Instead we got broken dreams, failed heroes and depression.  Star Wars is supposed to be a fairy tale, not a reminder of how life sucks
 
2022-11-23 1:08:00 PM  
The Force and Lightsabers are cool when they are not overused, by anything supernatural is at risk of becoming hooky when you overuse them.

For that same reason I wish Scifi shows would stop over using psychics so damn much, or anything else that reeks of magic.  It's like salt, a little adds flavor, but too much kills it.
 
2022-11-23 1:10:29 PM  

Bslim: AuralArgument: Bslim:

Even within the expanded universe and legands


The Jedi and the Sith are the spiritual/philosophical battle

The political figures, mega corporations ( Zerka etc) and royals battle over power and control of laws and regulations etc

The armies/Navy's/rebels battle as they are told

The civilians face the repercussions and react by joining one of the above or just living their life

The problem with that is that it is BOOOOORING AS F*CK.
Hey, and I get it, some folks want the Force and weilders jumping around and sh*t. Because that's all that it comes down to.
Did you read the Sith Lost Tribes stories? Those were really good, guess what they had more than stupid laser swords: Poiltical machinations, intrigue, and explorations on the nature and of the Force. Saber battles were almost an afterthought.
There comes a point when Force users jumping and dicking around with silly toys gets stale. The prequels showed that.
Hell, they could actually do Rogue and Wraith Squadron stories.


Here's a great idea.

Let's do King Arthur without knights, Merlin or even set it in England.


If you are bored with Star Wars, go watch Blade Runner, Alien, or 2001 a space odyssey.
 
2022-11-23 1:12:45 PM  

mongbiohazard: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/11/18/candor

[Fark user image image 425x177]

I've been avoiding watching Andor because I'm just burned out on watching a big corporation try and monetize their investment poorly. Star Wars became a big, dumb, mess with the last couple movies and the TV shows just seem driven by fan service. I watched some of the Mandalorian, and it was OK-ish at first, but quickly lost interest in season 2.

But evvvverybody is talking about Andor like it might be worth giving a shot.


Andor is very good and very slow burn. I don't think every Star Wars property needs Jedi, stormtrooper or the Empire.

They can certainly do other aspects of the galaxy...but Star Wars attraction is the Jedi, Sith and lightsabers.
 
2022-11-23 1:22:25 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: mongbiohazard: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/11/18/candor

[Fark user image image 425x177]

I've been avoiding watching Andor because I'm just burned out on watching a big corporation try and monetize their investment poorly. Star Wars became a big, dumb, mess with the last couple movies and the TV shows just seem driven by fan service. I watched some of the Mandalorian, and it was OK-ish at first, but quickly lost interest in season 2.

But evvvverybody is talking about Andor like it might be worth giving a shot.

Because it's none of the things before it.

Give it a shot and be pleasantly surprised that it's got nothing with regards to fan service because it's all new. Every location, every set piece, every character (except for two main roots of connection to the history of Star Wars past and present). It looks at the seedy side of the Star Wars universe. Even in the middle of a prison riot the main character is under an assumed alias and it didn't mean as much to him as it did for the men who were forced in to prison labor for decades of their life. And there's this momentary pause where you are hit with the realization of that. He's under an assumed identity.

We see different perspectives, like what does android do when it's owner dies? What is the sacrifice and cost of a Senator about to be audited and coming up short on funds by a mindlessly bureaucratic evil that is all encompassing threatening to swallow her and her family up in it? Is it even worth fighting to protect the secret with her family completely oblivious to her sacrifice?

It has its problems of which there are many, but they aren't the problems of being too Disneyfied or Too LucasFilm. They are the problems of an experiment in to originality that isn't derivative of any of the works that came before it. It instead samples other works of science fiction, ever so briefly. There's hints of Aasimov, and Bradbury and Adams. And for what ever it's worth, it's a different take that has people calling it the adults version of Star Wars. Not because it's boring with not enough space wizards and space knights, and scoundrels and princesses to rescue, but because it doesn't talk down to its audience. It doesn't treat you like a miserable intellectually deficient mindless consumer. And it doesn't attack modern cultural warfare like a primate under a black obelisk.

It BARELY qualifies as Star Wars, if it wasn't for the iconography of storm troopers and imperial officers, you could drop it in to any science fiction world and it would be right at home, for good or for ill.


Lucas intended Star Wars to be an high fantasy escapist entertainment. Yes he laced it with history, religious and movie references, but that was world building strife.

But Lucas also was capable of doing hard sci-Fi like TXH 1138, which was far superior to Star Wars. He ment that movie to be a serious take down of consumerism, technology and racism.

Think of Andor as the if the TXH-1138 director made Star Wars .
 
2022-11-23 1:23:23 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I've watched the first 3 episodes and I'm convinced it's just a show with Star Wars costumes.


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2022-11-23 1:28:29 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: mongbiohazard: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/11/18/candor

[Fark user image image 425x177]

I've been avoiding watching Andor because I'm just burned out on watching a big corporation try and monetize their investment poorly. Star Wars became a big, dumb, mess with the last couple movies and the TV shows just seem driven by fan service. I watched some of the Mandalorian, and it was OK-ish at first, but quickly lost interest in season 2.

But evvvverybody is talking about Andor like it might be worth giving a shot.

Andor is very good and very slow burn. I don't think every Star Wars property needs Jedi, stormtrooper or the Empire.

They can certainly do other aspects of the galaxy...but Star Wars attraction is the Jedi, Sith and lightsabers.


You mean it doesn't revolve around legacy characters or the children/clones/long lost relatives of legacy characters and needlessly explain every little detail from the legacy movies?

All points in its favor.

Star Wars:

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2022-11-23 1:37:36 PM  

Xythero: Last Man on Earth: cameroncrazy1984: I've watched the first 3 episodes and I'm convinced it's just a show with Star Wars costumes.

...As opposed to what?

I'd watch a nude Star Wars show.


Be careful what you wish for.

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2022-11-23 1:41:18 PM  
Andor is just great military sci fi, like The Expanse was, or the Vor series or Wolf Worlds sci fi of the late 70s.  It's extremely non-Star Wars, especially in the paucity of aliens onscreen, I'd entirely forgotten aliens existed until one sunburned beachgoer showed up in like episode 5.

We need more of this kind of space opera/sci fi, maybe between this and Dune we'll finally get some.
 
2022-11-23 1:45:40 PM  

mongbiohazard: Darth_Lukecash: mongbiohazard: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/11/18/candor

[Fark user image image 425x177]

I've been avoiding watching Andor because I'm just burned out on watching a big corporation try and monetize their investment poorly. Star Wars became a big, dumb, mess with the last couple movies and the TV shows just seem driven by fan service. I watched some of the Mandalorian, and it was OK-ish at first, but quickly lost interest in season 2.

But evvvverybody is talking about Andor like it might be worth giving a shot.

Andor is very good and very slow burn. I don't think every Star Wars property needs Jedi, stormtrooper or the Empire.

They can certainly do other aspects of the galaxy...but Star Wars attraction is the Jedi, Sith and lightsabers.

You mean it doesn't revolve around legacy characters or the children/clones/long lost relatives of legacy characters and needlessly explain every little detail from the legacy movies?

All points in its favor.

Star Wars:

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To be fair:   One legacy aspect is actually shown from the movie.  How both the rebellion began and how the republic slowly became the Empire of Star Wars.

Also a minor character in the Return of the Jedi, is included as a major character.

But using WW II as a metaphor,  Star Wars is Patton part of the story, while Andor is the over all Axis and Allies story.
 
2022-11-23 1:46:39 PM  

deadsanta: Andor is just great military sci fi, like The Expanse was, or the Vor series or Wolf Worlds sci fi of the late 70s.  It's extremely non-Star Wars, especially in the paucity of aliens onscreen, I'd entirely forgotten aliens existed until one sunburned beachgoer showed up in like episode 5.

We need more of this kind of space opera/sci fi, maybe between this and Dune we'll finally get some.


Still patiently for Honor Harrington to get The Expanse treatment.
 
2022-11-23 1:50:11 PM  
All I saw so far had been

Diego shoots his way out of a mugging.
Officer Rimmer bungles up SWAT strike to take him in.
Diego gets recruited for a bank heist.
Empire decides "No, it's the citizens who are wrong", ratchets up the tyranny to the extreeeeeeme!
Diego leaves after the heist with some credits. Quickly gets arrested for walking too fast (no, really)
Lots of talking scenes with Mon Mothra and her worthless family.
Ex-officer Rimmer keeps stalking some tail in an ISB uniform.
Bix is forced to listen to Bad Bunny tracks.
Diego starts a prison break by flooding the space toilet (no, really)
More talking scenes with Mothra.
Something something Saw Gerrera.
 
2022-11-23 1:51:42 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: [Fark user image 350x500]


Um, EXCUSE ME, THIS STILL EXISTS


But it shouldn't.
 
2022-11-23 1:56:21 PM  

Bslim: replacementcool: mongbiohazard: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/11/18/candor

[Fark user image image 425x177]

I've been avoiding watching Andor because I'm just burned out on watching a big corporation try and monetize their investment poorly. Star Wars became a big, dumb, mess with the last couple movies and the TV shows just seem driven by fan service. I watched some of the Mandalorian, and it was OK-ish at first, but quickly lost interest in season 2.

But evvvverybody is talking about Andor like it might be worth giving a shot.

It's the best pro-antifa show out there.

[i.imgflip.com image 849x565]

A..are the Antifas in the room with you now?


What Replacement is trying to say is that Andor has surprisingly strong anti-Colonialism themes for a massively Capitalistic media empire.

The Star Wars franchise has always been about protagonists resisting a brutal authoritarian hegemony, but until now the specific politics are kept vague and easily digestible for an audience of children. Andor, especially the prison story arc, makes things much more real... more real perhaps than Disney would have normally allowed.

But as he tells Nemik; "They don't care enough to learn. They don't have to. You mean nothing to them."
 
2022-11-23 2:08:43 PM  

BeesNuts: Still patiently for Honor Harrington to get The Expanse treatment.


There was a time I would've agreed with you too, but that series became achingly jingoistic and pro-Service, I couldn't read anymore about how career military types would save us all from our democratic principles.  Oh and let's rah rah the aristocracy into the bargain.  I know all the source material: Napoleonic wars, revolutionary France and Horatio Hornblower, nothing excuses how Weber prostrates himself to authoritarian fantasy over the course of the series.

I do like the "naval" battles though, lifted right out of the golden age of sale and rewritten as space dreadnoughts.  Fun!
 
2022-11-23 2:14:37 PM  

deadsanta: BeesNuts: Still patiently for Honor Harrington to get The Expanse treatment.

There was a time I would've agreed with you too, but that series became achingly jingoistic and pro-Service, I couldn't read anymore about how career military types would save us all from our democratic principles.  Oh and let's rah rah the aristocracy into the bargain.  I know all the source material: Napoleonic wars, revolutionary France and Horatio Hornblower, nothing excuses how Weber prostrates himself to authoritarian fantasy over the course of the series.

I do like the "naval" battles though, lifted right out of the golden age of sale and rewritten as space dreadnoughts.  Fun!


Completely agree about making The People the main source of problems that must be solved by Monarchists, and military trickery.

I just really want to watch In Enemy Hands as a miniseries.
 
2022-11-23 2:22:20 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: All I saw so far had been

Diego shoots his way out of a mugging.
Officer Rimmer bungles up SWAT strike to take him in.
Diego gets recruited for a bank heist.
Empire decides "No, it's the citizens who are wrong", ratchets up the tyranny to the extreeeeeeme!
Diego leaves after the heist with some credits. Quickly gets arrested for walking too fast (no, really)
Lots of talking scenes with Mon Mothra and her worthless family.
Ex-officer Rimmer keeps stalking some tail in an ISB uniform.
Bix is forced to listen to Bad Bunny tracks.
Diego starts a prison break by flooding the space toilet (no, really)
More talking scenes with Mothra.
Something something Saw Gerrera.


Perhaps this show isn't for you.
 
2022-11-23 2:25:41 PM  

The Silver Mullet: AAAAGGGGHHHH: All I saw so far had been

Diego shoots his way out of a mugging.
Officer Rimmer bungles up SWAT strike to take him in.
Diego gets recruited for a bank heist.
Empire decides "No, it's the citizens who are wrong", ratchets up the tyranny to the extreeeeeeme!
Diego leaves after the heist with some credits. Quickly gets arrested for walking too fast (no, really)
Lots of talking scenes with Mon Mothra and her worthless family.
Ex-officer Rimmer keeps stalking some tail in an ISB uniform.
Bix is forced to listen to Bad Bunny tracks.
Diego starts a prison break by flooding the space toilet (no, really)
More talking scenes with Mothra.
Something something Saw Gerrera.

Perhaps this show isn't for you.


Perhaps. I like shows that aren't stupid.
 
2022-11-23 2:33:56 PM  
Red Letter Media already did what it took NPR almost 20 years to catch on to...
 
2022-11-23 2:34:59 PM  

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I FARKING LOVE STAR WARS!
 
2022-11-23 2:44:46 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Bslim: There's space for these stories to be told. I would argue they're needed. At some point the actual people who are caught up in the conflict should get some attention. The Jedi and the Sith are fighting at a whole other level, that conflict has been covered to death. We are at the point where there is just *ONE*  Sith lord who got to the top because the Jedi were a bunch of arrogant, cool with slavery, uncaring dipshiats.
The story of the rise of Palpatine is done, there are no more Sith and within the timeframe the holding pattern is for Luke to do his thing. The other Jedi are ...whom? Ah, Caleb, Ezra, and Ahsoka. We know what happened to Caleb which leaves Ezra farting around in the Unknown Regions, Ahsoka (that's a stay tuned but can't actually do anything that f*cks up the timeline) OH, AND GROGU, who chose to be Mandalorian instead of Jedi (can't say I blame him).
So, since "fans" threw a shiatfit when Rian Johnson tried to course correct the access to the Force in TLJ  (GOD FORBID THERE ARE OTHER JEDI WHO AREN'T SKYWALKERS) now everyone is stuck within the prequel-OT era.
Congrats, dipshiats.

Personally I have a love/hate relationship with The Last Jedi.  Loved the direction, love the acting, the characters and even some of the best dialects. But it certainly wasn't what the main Star Wars is supposed to be.

People completely misunderstand why some fans hated The Last Jedi. People are fine with non-Skywalker Jedi. (We can ignore the incel idiot racist aspect)

What they objected to was treating trashing Luke character( even Hammil completely objected to this, but played it due to contracts and took it as an acting challenge) Introducing the Kylo and Ren romance.  The stupid plot of a slow chase across the galaxy with a more powerful ship that can't keep up, but apparently allows people to come and go as they please.  The continue waste of Phantasma.  Apparently an engineer that needed a smuggler to do a simple circuit swap to break into a lock.  Oh and Rain Johnson pride in "throwing out all conventions" without understanding that Star Wars main story is about "conventions", tropes and archetypes.

Disney farked it up from the beginning, rushing a movie out to recoup their money.  Bob Iger admitted that the Force Awakens was nothing but a cut and paste A New Hope for nostalgia sake and JJ "mr mystery box" admitted that they should have planned out the entire trilogy first.

First movie should have been a successful peaceful galaxy and a new threat emerges. Old characters go out in a blaze of glory half way through, then the new generation could have taken over and win the day.

Instead we got broken dreams, failed heroes and depression.  Star Wars is supposed to be a fairy tale, not a reminder of how life sucks


Okay, I'm gonna focus on Luke specifically (and I love Hamill as much as anyone but that is not his call, just as it wasn't Ford's to kill Solo for whatever stupid reason, not their call to make). Anyway, the fetishizing of Luke as hero.
From Lucas's own plans Luke would have been another fallen to the Dark side flawed Jedi. He was as reckless as his father. (Originally he was to kill Vader and put the helmet on, his sister would have taken on the light side mantle) the films ended up the way they did but all the elements of Luke's eventual failure to stick to the light side were there. Anyway, what ended up on screen is history.
So Johnson comes along and decides to present a story that has Luke failing, badly. Why wouldn't he? He was a barley trained Padawan, that's all Luke was at the end of RoTJ, his piece of poodoo daddy bushwacked Palpatine to help him (oh and after Luke had been straight-up channeling the Dark side for the second half of the fight).
Then what happens? Rebels win, yack, yack, yack, we get to Force Awakens, somebody made the idiotic decision to let JJ Abrams write it. What's he do? Oh, THE NEW REPUBLIC. IS COLLAPSING!
Okay, how dafuq that happened where IS THE NEW JEDI ORDER?
There's your problem. If the New Jedi Order had been successful in its job of keeping peace and justice for the galaxy the First Order should have never been a thing. So, is Luke Skywalker a war hero who went on to restore peace and justice, or a failure who allowed the galaxy to fall down the same hole as the previous Jedi Order?
The Force Awakens established he unfortunately turned out to be the latter. You can't have both, if the story established the galaxy went to crap again on his watch then he's a failure by definition.
Johnson unapologetically answered the question when Luke said the Jedi needed to end. And why not? They SUUUUUUCKED, every single thing Luke says in that monologue is true.
Some people just don't like hearing it. Luke was never anything more than an incidental character to bring closure to Anakin's story.
 
2022-11-23 2:55:38 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: It BARELY qualifies as Star Wars, if it wasn't for the iconography of storm troopers and imperial officers, you could drop it in to any science fiction world and it would be right at home, for good or for ill.


"Barely qualifies" is in the eye of the beholder.

As someone who spent the mid-90s running West End Games campaigns based on the Imperial Sourcebook and Galaxy Guide Six--this is *exactly* what I've wanted from Star Wars.
 
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