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2022-11-23 4:02:15 AM  
FAFO
 
2022-11-23 5:42:22 AM  
Bankrupting him isn't enough. There will always be rock-stupid farkwits who'll send him their family's last food dollars. He needs to be exiled to a country with a *real* dictatorship so he can live out his years under the same oppression he claims we all live under here.
 
2022-11-23 7:54:11 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Bankrupting him isn't enough. There will always be rock-stupid farkwits who'll send him their family's last food dollars. He needs to be exiled to a country with a *real* dictatorship so he can live out his years under the same oppression he claims we all live under here.


Or we could make sending money to Alex Jones a crime punishable by death.  That would be a win-win.
 
2022-11-23 8:15:16 AM  
Now we'll find out how successful he's been at hiding his money.
 
2022-11-23 8:15:59 AM  
You know what would be better? Finding a way to keep that bloated f*ck off the airwaves... internet... whatever.
 
2022-11-23 8:31:20 AM  
Jones will keep appealing until it gets in front of a Trumper judge.
 
2022-11-23 8:32:58 AM  
Haha.jpg keeps on giving.
 
2022-11-23 8:35:11 AM  
What if he simply ignores the judgments? Assholes like this always seem to get away with everything.
 
2022-11-23 8:35:25 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Bankrupting him isn't enough. There will always be rock-stupid farkwits who'll send him their family's last food dollars. He needs to be exiled to a country with a *real* dictatorship so he can live out his years under the same oppression he claims we all live under here.


Asshole was I ere I saw Elohssa.
 
2022-11-23 8:37:23 AM  
However, Lewis and Heslin's lawyers successfully argued that the cap doesn't apply because the law specifically states that the limit is not included in cases involving the intentional abuse of a disabled person. They said the trauma the parents suffered over their son's horrific death counted as a disability.

So, now they get a handicapped plates for their car?  Some people have all the luck.
 
2022-11-23 8:37:55 AM  
If the fight it again, double it.
 
2022-11-23 8:38:48 AM  
Yeah, I can see the Supreme Court agreeing with Alex that the parents are just suffering from Wokeism, and too bad for them.

... and then the murders began continued.
 
2022-11-23 8:38:50 AM  
Jones is scum and I'm glad he has to pay.  But the article says that the high payment went through in spite of the law capping damages because there's an exception for victimizing the disabled and somehow the parents' grief made them count as disabled.  That's pretty weird reasoning, even if I like the results!
 
2022-11-23 8:43:19 AM  
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2022-11-23 8:44:44 AM  

thanksagainandagain: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Bankrupting him isn't enough. There will always be rock-stupid farkwits who'll send him their family's last food dollars. He needs to be exiled to a country with a *real* dictatorship so he can live out his years under the same oppression he claims we all live under here.

Asshole was I ere I saw Elohssa.


Well now I want to write about the Island of Elohssa, home of political exiles from everywhere.
 
2022-11-23 8:49:26 AM  
I doubt this ruling will hold up on appeal

If the emotional trauma caused by the defamation also counts as a "disability" excepting damages for that trauma from a statutory damage cap, then the damage cap is functionally nonexistent -- the same argument could be made to get around the damage cap in every case

fark Alex Jones

But also fark Texas because they passed the law that's going to ultimately let him knock the number down
 
2022-11-23 8:49:56 AM  
Still stalling? Anyone else would already be in jail for contempt.
 
2022-11-23 8:51:22 AM  
Exactly  $50 mil?
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2022-11-23 8:52:11 AM  

OdradekRex: Now we'll find out how successful he's been at hiding his money.


Didn't a court in Connecticut appoint someone to look into this?  I seem to recall seeing that a few weeks back
 
2022-11-23 8:54:38 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Jones will keep appealing until it gets in front of a Trumper judge.


Yeah, they've been "New phone, who dis?"
 
2022-11-23 9:00:49 AM  
FTFA: "However, Lewis and Heslin's lawyers successfully argued that the cap doesn't apply because the law specifically states that the limit is not included in cases involving the intentional abuse of a disabled person. They said the trauma the parents suffered over their son's horrific death counted as a disability."

Jones said he's going to appeal. I despise Jones, but I'm going to predict that he might be successful on this argument. Federal law, which I assume TX adopted as it would be the absolute minimum standard, and TX would never broaden the definition to allow for more rights, specifically states what a disability is. It's a "qualifying medical condition that limits an individual in performing a major life activity."

When there are non-observable conditions (such as PTSD, Anxiety) one can require the person seeking to have their disability status considered for a purpose to be confirmed by a health care provider. Mere assumptions that a person suffered a trauma doesn't axiomatically confer "disability" upon the individual who went through the trauma.

That being said, this is a NYPost article relaying this information, and the plaintiffs' attorneys may have provided documentation/testimony from health care providers that established the presence of a disability on the plaintiffs-and the Post decided that "lawyers argued" was sufficient to establish a disability-when the plaintiffs actually did more than just "argue" it. But, if their only argument that the "trauma counts as a disability" I can see this being overturned on appeal.
 
2022-11-23 9:04:33 AM  
Good. Keep stomping on that fat f*ck's nuts until he's dead.
 
2022-11-23 9:09:47 AM  

OdradekRex: Now we'll find out how successful he's been at hiding his money.


^This. The courts could order that farker to pay $1 trillion but if he "doesn't" have it he won't be paying that. They will take all they can find and then he will make monthly payments based on his earnings.
 
2022-11-23 9:10:39 AM  
I read the comments, and I now have PTSD.

Christ, republicans are farking stupid.
 
2022-11-23 9:15:46 AM  

danvon: FTFA: "However, Lewis and Heslin's lawyers successfully argued that the cap doesn't apply because the law specifically states that the limit is not included in cases involving the intentional abuse of a disabled person. They said the trauma the parents suffered over their son's horrific death counted as a disability."

Jones said he's going to appeal. I despise Jones, but I'm going to predict that he might be successful on this argument. Federal law, which I assume TX adopted as it would be the absolute minimum standard, and TX would never broaden the definition to allow for more rights, specifically states what a disability is. It's a "qualifying medical condition that limits an individual in performing a major life activity."

When there are non-observable conditions (such as PTSD, Anxiety) one can require the person seeking to have their disability status considered for a purpose to be confirmed by a health care provider. Mere assumptions that a person suffered a trauma doesn't axiomatically confer "disability" upon the individual who went through the trauma.

That being said, this is a NYPost article relaying this information, and the plaintiffs' attorneys may have provided documentation/testimony from health care providers that established the presence of a disability on the plaintiffs-and the Post decided that "lawyers argued" was sufficient to establish a disability-when the plaintiffs actually did more than just "argue" it. But, if their only argument that the "trauma counts as a disability" I can see this being overturned on appeal.


The silver lining is either way it's going to cost him more money.
 
2022-11-23 9:16:40 AM  

Yellow Beard: OdradekRex: Now we'll find out how successful he's been at hiding his money.

^This. The courts could order that farker to pay $1 trillion but if he "doesn't" have it he won't be paying that. They will take all they can find and then he will make monthly payments based on his earnings.


Connecticut is where Jones is going to get bent over.  Courts can and will void transfers of assets intended to evade collection, and the Connecticut court is following the money.
 
2022-11-23 9:19:46 AM  
Doesn't matter if it's $50 or $50M, Jones will still be on the air and living in luxury a decade from now having never paid a dime.

The only time a rich white person in America will see consequences is if they steal from other rich people.
 
2022-11-23 9:20:41 AM  

IndyJohn: Yellow Beard: OdradekRex: Now we'll find out how successful he's been at hiding his money.

^This. The courts could order that farker to pay $1 trillion but if he "doesn't" have it he won't be paying that. They will take all they can find and then he will make monthly payments based on his earnings.

Connecticut is where Jones is going to get bent over.  Courts can and will void transfers of assets intended to evade collection, and the Connecticut court is following the money.


I hope they take every penny he actually has. However, it is a very safe bet that he has been hiding money for years. I would guess he has a fortune in various numbered accounts that they will never find.
 
2022-11-23 9:21:24 AM  

IndyJohn: Yellow Beard: OdradekRex: Now we'll find out how successful he's been at hiding his money.

^This. The courts could order that farker to pay $1 trillion but if he "doesn't" have it he won't be paying that. They will take all they can find and then he will make monthly payments based on his earnings.

Connecticut is where Jones is going to get bent over.  Courts can and will void transfers of assets intended to evade collection, and the Connecticut court is following the money.


It's become a Fark staple to the Eeyores come to these threads and basically masturbate to how "Jones will never have to face consequences"
Well, he's been found liable in more than one state, he's facing litigation for the rest of his fat life, he's looking unhealthy. That doesn't look like "no consequences" to me. "No consequences" is living in comfort and worry free. That's IS not what's happening here.
 
2022-11-23 9:22:23 AM  

Yellow Beard: OdradekRex: Now we'll find out how successful he's been at hiding his money.

^This. The courts could order that farker to pay $1 trillion but if he "doesn't" have it he won't be paying that. They will take all they can find and then he will make monthly payments based on his earnings.


Funny thing about that: Because Jones and InfoWars declared bankruptcy and the suits name both, and especially now that the CT case has had it's damages declared, the families are now first in line for disbursements. Any money that goes in has to be approved by the families for things like business expenses, meaning advertising budgets won't get approved, new equipment, etc.

They can and will strangle the company to death, it's just a matter of time.
 
2022-11-23 9:25:15 AM  
"They said the trauma the parents suffered over their son's horrific death counted as a disability."

That's a bit of a stretch but I'll allow it.

Damages caps are bullshiat anyway. Just a pure giveaway to megacorporations and billionaires. Why should they suffer the consequences of their actions?
 
2022-11-23 9:26:54 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Jones will keep appealing until it gets in front of a Trumper judge.


Nope. It was a default judgment because Alex Jones lied and refused to offer anything during discovery.

He would have to offer proof he didn't lie and the documents that exist didn't actually exist

No Judge is going to risk thier career defending him
 
2022-11-23 9:28:45 AM  

Bslim: IndyJohn: Yellow Beard: OdradekRex: Now we'll find out how successful he's been at hiding his money.

^This. The courts could order that farker to pay $1 trillion but if he "doesn't" have it he won't be paying that. They will take all they can find and then he will make monthly payments based on his earnings.

Connecticut is where Jones is going to get bent over.  Courts can and will void transfers of assets intended to evade collection, and the Connecticut court is following the money.

It's become a Fark staple to the Eeyores come to these threads and basically masturbate to how "Jones will never have to face consequences"
Well, he's been found liable in more than one state, he's facing litigation for the rest of his fat life, he's looking unhealthy. That doesn't look like "no consequences" to me. "No consequences" is living in comfort and worry free. That's IS not what's happening here.


And to the folks saying that he'll just hide his money, he'll try, but keep in mind that the person directing the hiding is the same brilliant tactician that ended up getting in $1.5B (and counting) in damages.

/One of the side businesses Alex Emerick Jones uses to try to protect his "main" business is AEJ Holdings.
//And the reason that's public knowledge is because even one of his corporate reps who didn't know jack about shiat knew it.
 
2022-11-23 9:39:05 AM  

indylaw: "They said the trauma the parents suffered over their son's horrific death counted as a disability."

That's a bit of a stretch but I'll allow it.

Damages caps are bullshiat anyway. Just a pure giveaway to megacorporations and billionaires. Why should they suffer the consequences of their actions?


Thank Greg Abbott  and the TX legislature. AFAIK, there was no cap on these damages until Abbott  signed it into law.

The height of hypocrisy is that Abbott, himself, benefitted from a prior law that *didn't* have this cap. Then, he sought to strip the very rights he had from  everyone else who suffered the same fate.

The cherry on top is that he removed the cap on those damages when the tort is against the disabled. Even when he tries to strip away rights, he still leaves a little sliver for him, and people like him, from being subject to the law for everyone else.

This is not to say that there should be a cap on these damages for the disabled, I'm saying that it should be available to all, and Abbott is simply following the Republican maxim of "there are people who the law protects, but does not bind, likewise there are people out there who the law binds, but does not protect."

Abbott will always look out for his interests, and those similarly situated to him, to the detriment of everyone else.
 
2022-11-23 9:40:16 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Bslim: IndyJohn: Yellow Beard: OdradekRex: Now we'll find out how successful he's been at hiding his money.

^This. The courts could order that farker to pay $1 trillion but if he "doesn't" have it he won't be paying that. They will take all they can find and then he will make monthly payments based on his earnings.

Connecticut is where Jones is going to get bent over.  Courts can and will void transfers of assets intended to evade collection, and the Connecticut court is following the money.

It's become a Fark staple to the Eeyores come to these threads and basically masturbate to how "Jones will never have to face consequences"
Well, he's been found liable in more than one state, he's facing litigation for the rest of his fat life, he's looking unhealthy. That doesn't look like "no consequences" to me. "No consequences" is living in comfort and worry free. That's IS not what's happening here.

And to the folks saying that he'll just hide his money, he'll try, but keep in mind that the person directing the hiding is the same brilliant tactician that ended up getting in $1.5B (and counting) in damages.

/One of the side businesses Alex Emerick Jones uses to try to protect his "main" business is AEJ Holdings.
//And the reason that's public knowledge is because even one of his corporate reps who didn't know jack about shiat knew it.


Exactly, he's not some shady car shop owner who can close up shop and pop up two weeks later to avoid paying, he's not an international arms dealer with foreign intelligence connections, neither  is he Donald Trump who's got political plot armor (even he knows enough to not let default judgments creep up on him). This jackass is an alcoholic fake vitamin peddler who didn't have enough sense to reach settlements before the thing got to the point it's at now. He'll have motivated and competent crawling up his ass for forever.
 
2022-11-23 9:40:38 AM  
IANAL; but I thought there was already a provision in place that would overrule a cap if there was proof of that the defendant failed to act in good faith with the court proceedings.
 
2022-11-23 9:40:40 AM  

Dr. Opossum: Jones is scum and I'm glad he has to pay.  But the article says that the high payment went through in spite of the law capping damages because there's an exception for victimizing the disabled and somehow the parents' grief made them count as disabled.  That's pretty weird reasoning, even if I like the results!


And guess who got the law passed?  Greg Abbott.  After he won 50 million because a tree fell on him.  Odd how there's an exemption for disabled...
 
2022-11-23 9:41:11 AM  
*and competent lawyers
 
2022-11-23 9:46:25 AM  

Yellow Beard: IndyJohn: Yellow Beard: OdradekRex: Now we'll find out how successful he's been at hiding his money.

^This. The courts could order that farker to pay $1 trillion but if he "doesn't" have it he won't be paying that. They will take all they can find and then he will make monthly payments based on his earnings.

Connecticut is where Jones is going to get bent over.  Courts can and will void transfers of assets intended to evade collection, and the Connecticut court is following the money.

I hope they take every penny he actually has. However, it is a very safe bet that he has been hiding money for years. I would guess he has a fortune in various numbered accounts that they will never find.


Unless the incoming revenue payments were made to offshore accounts, you would see the outflow from the US accounts and could follow up on them.

Also people who offshore frequently use debit cards tied to those offshore accounts to pay for stuff and you can follow up on that.

You might not be able to force a foreign bank with no US presence to disgorge the money, but you can jail Jones for contempt until he gives the order for it to happen.

I remember a nasty divorce case in the news in which a husband literally spent years in jail for contempt because he refused to disclose and pay over a share of offshore assets. I would not lose any sleep if that happened to Jones.
 
2022-11-23 9:47:47 AM  

Klivian: Yellow Beard: OdradekRex: Now we'll find out how successful he's been at hiding his money.

^This. The courts could order that farker to pay $1 trillion but if he "doesn't" have it he won't be paying that. They will take all they can find and then he will make monthly payments based on his earnings.

Funny thing about that: Because Jones and InfoWars declared bankruptcy and the suits name both, and especially now that the CT case has had it's damages declared, the families are now first in line for disbursements. Any money that goes in has to be approved by the families for things like business expenses, meaning advertising budgets won't get approved, new equipment, etc.

They can and will strangle the company to death, it's just a matter of time.


Another consequence to bankruptcy is you have to fully disclose your assets and can face criminal liability for fraud if you lie
 
2022-11-23 9:48:27 AM  

IndyJohn: I doubt this ruling will hold up on appeal

If the emotional trauma caused by the defamation also counts as a "disability" excepting damages for that trauma from a statutory damage cap, then the damage cap is functionally nonexistent -- the same argument could be made to get around the damage cap in every case



FTA:  "...the law specifically states that the limit is not included in cases involving the intentional abuse of a disabled person."

IANAL, but I suspect in this case, the emotional trauma was not just losing a child, but only the continued pattern of abuse by Jones and especially his followers.  That shiat went on for more than a decade.

I don't think a judge would accept a single instance of defamation as being sufficient for an "emotional disability".  Plaintiffs' attorneys showed that the emotional trauma was persistent, which is a hallmark of a disability.

IMHO, the cap should have been ignored based on Jones' refusal to participate in the usual and customary steps of a lawsuit.  Don't sit for discovery or provide paperwork at the order of a judge?  You don't get to use the law to avoid the consequences of those actions.
 
2022-11-23 9:49:15 AM  
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I did not, until now, know that it was possible for your pinky to have a gut.
 
2022-11-23 9:53:15 AM  

Klivian: They can and will strangle the company to death, it's just a matter of time.


The families should name David Hogg CEO of Infowars and use the company's propaganda infrastructure to advocate for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
 
2022-11-23 9:53:22 AM  

kkinnison: Tyrone Slothrop: Jones will keep appealing until it gets in front of a Trumper judge.

Nope. It was a default judgment because Alex Jones lied and refused to offer anything during discovery.

He would have to offer proof he didn't lie and the documents that exist didn't actually exist

No Judge is going to risk thier career defending him


[Justices Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett have joined the chat]
 
2022-11-23 9:57:23 AM  

indy_kid: kkinnison: Tyrone Slothrop: Jones will keep appealing until it gets in front of a Trumper judge.

Nope. It was a default judgment because Alex Jones lied and refused to offer anything during discovery.

He would have to offer proof he didn't lie and the documents that exist didn't actually exist

No Judge is going to risk thier career defending him

[Justices Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett have joined the chat]


You know they can actually just refuse to even look at the case, right?
 
2022-11-23 10:03:42 AM  

Bslim: indy_kid: kkinnison: Tyrone Slothrop: Jones will keep appealing until it gets in front of a Trumper judge.

Nope. It was a default judgment because Alex Jones lied and refused to offer anything during discovery.

He would have to offer proof he didn't lie and the documents that exist didn't actually exist

No Judge is going to risk thier career defending him

[Justices Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett have joined the chat]

You know they can actually just refuse to even look at the case, right?


CT is in the 2nd circuit, Sotomayor is the presiding justice. If it does get brought that far along she will shoot it down.
 
2022-11-23 10:05:51 AM  

cloudofdust: Klivian: They can and will strangle the company to death, it's just a matter of time.

The families should name David Hogg CEO of Infowars and use the company's propaganda infrastructure to advocate for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment.


They don't get named to the company board, but what basically happens is every IW invoice will go through the bankruptcy court. The plaintiffs get to decide if the invoice should be approved so that IW can keep making money, in the theory that they might turn it around and be able to pay off all debts and come out of bankruptcy, or the plaintiffs can say "Nah, we want our cash first."

I wonder what they'll choose...
 
2022-11-23 10:10:21 AM  

Bslim: indy_kid: kkinnison: Tyrone Slothrop: Jones will keep appealing until it gets in front of a Trumper judge.

Nope. It was a default judgment because Alex Jones lied and refused to offer anything during discovery.

He would have to offer proof he didn't lie and the documents that exist didn't actually exist

No Judge is going to risk thier career defending him

[Justices Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett have joined the chat]

You know they can actually just refuse to even look at the case, right?


I'm skeptical that even the trumpers would stick up for him, he's pretty damn toxic and getting less useful. If he does get any support it won't be for him, it'll be an attempt to get rid of any precedent that could potentially be used against anyone they actually care about.
 
2022-11-23 10:13:16 AM  
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It was then that he left his radio show to become a motivational speaker.
 
2022-11-23 10:18:03 AM  

IndyJohn: I doubt this ruling will hold up on appeal

If the emotional trauma caused by the defamation also counts as a "disability" excepting damages for that trauma from a statutory damage cap, then the damage cap is functionally nonexistent -- the same argument could be made to get around the damage cap in every case

fark Alex Jones

But also fark Texas because they passed the law that's going to ultimately let him knock the number down


Doc here, who works with a lot of patients who are disabled.

Emotional/psychiatric disability is certainly a thing.

If it were pathologic/complicated grief (which makes a lot of sense in this case) I can see it as qualifying as a disability under the current laws, at least in my state.
 
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