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(Esquire)   "'Star Wars' is a huge cliche, and a poorly written cliche at that." This review, of course, referred to the Star Wars novel, released six months before the film and spoiling all its plot points while getting many of its details hilariously wrong   (esquire.com) divider line
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2022-11-14 5:44:48 PM  
I had a copy as a kid and re-read it so many times the spine broke and most of the pages fell out (so that I would literally read it page by page, as in lifting one page out of the book, reading both sides, then replacing it and lifting the next one).

Is it particularly well-written? No, not really. But I didn't care about that, then. It

It it cliche? The novel is certainly full of literary cliches, weak and pointless adverbs, etc. etc. But the story is the story. Calling Star Wars "cliche" is one of the least interesting critiques you can make about it. It's the hero's journey, one of literature's grandest, oldest archetypes. Saying it's "cliche" because it follows certain well-established patterns is the sort of comment very, very dumb people make in earnest conversation because they heard someone else make it and it sounded smart to them.

And I had copies of The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, too. Neither was really much better, if you're trying to be a notable literary critic, but I read them both to pieces.
 
2022-11-14 5:58:35 PM  
Yeah I have a copy.  It's um, not very good, you can see why they say A New Hope was saved in editing.  On the other hand, shiatty Science Fiction is kind of my jam so it's a book that makes me feel really conflicted.

Aside from hating Star Wars basically on principle with Disney buying it and turning it into Merchandise even more than it already was (which I gotta say would be impressive if it wasn't so depressing)
 
2022-11-14 6:12:26 PM  
Wasn't the original Star Wars novelization, as well as the novelization for Close Encounters, ghost written by Alan Dean Foster?
 
2022-11-14 7:03:33 PM  

Nintenfreak: you can see why they say A New Hope was saved in editing


Oh God.

/can't believe it took two posts
 
2022-11-14 7:04:43 PM  

gunga galunga: Wasn't the original Star Wars novelization, as well as the novelization for Close Encounters, ghost written by Alan Dean Foster?


Yup!  That's why despite it being really bad, it's also really good.  Love terrible sci-fi
 
2022-11-14 7:33:33 PM  
We can do the Kessel Run in 10 parsecs.
 
2022-11-14 7:41:53 PM  
I have a copy and used to have Return of the Jedi as well.  One thing I liked about those original books is that they gave backstory about what would become the prequels.  In the intro to Star Wars, it talks about the Republic becoming corrupted with Senator Palpatine rising to power.  In RotJ, Obi Wan describes the battle on Mustafar (without calling it that).  You could definitely see the bones of the prequels throughout the series.
 
2022-11-14 8:33:22 PM  
Listen pal, Shakespeare is nothing but one cliche after another, with just a bunch of tired old phrases for dialogue!
 
2022-11-14 8:33:33 PM  

Pocket Ninja: And I had copies of The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, too. Neither was really much better, if you're trying to be a notable literary critic, but I read them both to pieces.


I was only able to slog my way through the Jedi novelization once. For whatever reason, they made the choice to try to spell out both Artoo's and Chewie's dialogs phonetically. It was... painful.

Pretty sure the novel also said that Jabba once had legs and either hair or fur, but had lost them to various diseases.
 
2022-11-14 8:36:25 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I had a copy as a kid and re-read it so many times the spine broke and most of the pages fell out (so that I would literally read it page by page, as in lifting one page out of the book, reading both sides, then replacing it and lifting the next one).

Is it particularly well-written? No, not really. But I didn't care about that, then. It

It it cliche? The novel is certainly full of literary cliches, weak and pointless adverbs, etc. etc. But the story is the story. Calling Star Wars "cliche" is one of the least interesting critiques you can make about it. It's the hero's journey, one of literature's grandest, oldest archetypes. Saying it's "cliche" because it follows certain well-established patterns is the sort of comment very, very dumb people make in earnest conversation because they heard someone else make it and it sounded smart to them.

And I had copies of The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, too. Neither was really much better, if you're trying to be a notable literary critic, but I read them both to pieces.


The whole point of Star Wars (main story) is to be a trope checking, cliche piling, flowery language spouting archetypes(not characters) and with really cool special effects.

Seriously, Lucas just wanted to retell old 1930 serials he saw as a kid with better effects. As a 9 year old in the late 1970s, I never saw those Flash Gordon serials, so Star Wars blew my mind.
 
2022-11-14 8:39:23 PM  

gunga galunga: Wasn't the original Star Wars novelization, as well as the novelization for Close Encounters, ghost written by Alan Dean Foster?


Yeah...Lucas didn't have any time to do the novel.  It was a way to encourage sci-fi nerds to go to the movie and check it out.  Sci-fi movies based on books were more likely hits.
 
2022-11-14 8:50:02 PM  
When you want to be reminded that Fark is a dumping ground of aging neckbeards grasping onto childhood artifacts of faded meaning, visit one of the Star Wars threads.
 
2022-11-14 8:56:48 PM  
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2022-11-14 8:59:32 PM  

Nintenfreak: gunga galunga: Wasn't the original Star Wars novelization, as well as the novelization for Close Encounters, ghost written by Alan Dean Foster?

Yup!  That's why despite it being really bad, it's also really good.  Love terrible sci-fi


Yes, it was also written off a much earlier draft of the script, before Lucas nailed down a lot of the specifics about a lot of the main characters. Vader is very definitely just some guy and not a Skywalker and Luke and Leia definitely aren't related, Tarkin is made out to be the legit big bad as the Emperor is only briefly mentioned in the book's version of the opening crawl and described as little more than a figurehead. Obi-Wan is acts much more like the crazy coot/uncle he's described as and not quite so Gandalf-like. Along with the early Tattooine stuff that was filmed and cut the Death Star battle is also much longer and really wants to drive home how shiatty it is for the Rebels, you basically get a quick vignette for every single member of Blue and Gold squadrons that die, and Luke actually has to make two shots at the exhaust port, missing the first completely like everyone else.

Empire isn't as different, except for Yoda, who's a total bastard and not Yoda. Jedi even less so, except for things like Mentat described with an early description of what became Mustafar and the Vader/Luke duel being a little more flashy/impactful in how its described. And yes, Artoo and Chewie's BEEP BOOP DOOP FWEET and RAHWHFHGHHRRR nonsense, respectively
 
2022-11-14 9:01:51 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: When you want to be reminded that Fark is a dumping ground of aging neckbeards grasping onto childhood artifacts of faded meaning, visit one of the Star Wars threads.


Or self righteous douchebags whose self esteem is so low they have to enter threads on subjects they claim are beneath them just to belittle the other posters.
 
2022-11-14 9:04:32 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: When you want to be reminded that Fark is a dumping ground of aging neckbeards grasping onto childhood artifacts of faded meaning, visit one of the Star Wars threads.


I imagine them posting their defense of mass produced garbage in between rounds of Kinect Star Wars.
Two decent movies and a mountain of  "Made in China" plastic is not a good foundation for a personality.


Kinect Star Wars "I'm Han Solo" Dancing
Youtube lg_FoEy8T_A
 
2022-11-14 9:04:46 PM  
Darth_Lukecash:

Watch The Hidden Fortress if you never have.  Very clearly inspired Lucas as well.
 
2022-11-14 9:11:34 PM  

leeksfromchichis: Watch The Hidden Fortress if you never have.  Very clearly inspired Lucas as well.


Hell, what didn't inspire Star Wars? Kurosawa, Dune, the Lensman novels, Flash Gordon, Grimm's Fairy Tales, etc. etc.
 
2022-11-14 9:13:17 PM  
Well, this thread never stood a chance.

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In the lifetime Shiatpost Magnet scoreboard, Fark Star Wars threads have to be second only to Homestar Runner links.
 
2022-11-14 9:13:23 PM  

Mugato: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: When you want to be reminded that Fark is a dumping ground of aging neckbeards grasping onto childhood artifacts of faded meaning, visit one of the Star Wars threads.

Or self righteous douchebags whose self esteem is so low they have to enter threads on subjects they claim are beneath them just to belittle the other posters.


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2022-11-14 9:14:59 PM  

Nintenfreak: Yeah I have a copy.  It's um, not very good, you can see why they say A New Hope was saved in editing.  On the other hand, shiatty Science Fiction is kind of my jam so it's a book that makes me feel really conflicted.

Aside from hating Star Wars basically on principle with Disney buying it and turning it into Merchandise even more than it already was (which I gotta say would be impressive if it wasn't so depressing)


"They" say it was "saved in editing" because they saw it in a fallacious YouTube video by some dodgy internet rando.
 
2022-11-14 9:16:18 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: When you want to be reminded that Fark is a dumping ground of aging neckbeards grasping onto childhood artifacts of faded meaning, visit one of the Star Wars threads.


Ha!  Shows what you know.  I shaved my beard.
 
2022-11-14 9:22:15 PM  

leeksfromchichis: Darth_Lukecash:

Watch The Hidden Fortress if you never have.  Very clearly inspired Lucas as well.


I have...certainly some of the shots and and characters roles were there. I'm thinking Vaders redemption had its seeds in there as well.

But strangely enough: The Phantom Menace borrowed a lot more of the plot of Hidden Fortress. Including Padme disguises and her outfits, Qui-gon and Obi Wan were based on the two Samurai that escorted her, and there journey of getting her to safety to get help for her people.
 
2022-11-14 9:22:43 PM  

clkeagle: Well, this thread never stood a chance.

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In the lifetime Shiatpost Magnet scoreboard, Fark Star Wars threads have to be second only to Homestar Runner links.


And me posting on them...
 
2022-11-14 9:25:24 PM  

wiredroach: leeksfromchichis: Watch The Hidden Fortress if you never have.  Very clearly inspired Lucas as well.

Hell, what didn't inspire Star Wars? Kurosawa, Dune, the Lensman novels, Flash Gordon, Grimm's Fairy Tales, etc. etc.


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Shot for shot though?
 
2022-11-14 9:27:33 PM  
I have that novel.  I also have "Splinter of the Mind's Eye"!
 
2022-11-14 9:27:35 PM  
Chemlight Battery:
"They" say it was "saved in editing" because they saw it in a fallacious YouTube video by some dodgy internet rando.

Or you know, the documentary that was included with the official 2004 DVD release...


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2022-11-14 9:31:56 PM  

leeksfromchichis: wiredroach: leeksfromchichis: Watch The Hidden Fortress if you never have.  Very clearly inspired Lucas as well.

Hell, what didn't inspire Star Wars? Kurosawa, Dune, the Lensman novels, Flash Gordon, Grimm's Fairy Tales, etc. etc.

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Shot for shot though?


I think the comparison to hidden fortress is overblown. When I watched it, StarWars didn't continue to focus on C3PO and R2D2.  They were there, but they were not front and center.
 
2022-11-14 9:49:20 PM  
It can't be worse than the EU dreck.
 
2022-11-14 10:02:43 PM  

leeksfromchichis: Shot for shot though?


You apparently haven't watched The Dam Busters:

Star Wars Origins: The Dam Busters - Side by Side Scene Comparison
Youtube lNdb03Hw18M
 
2022-11-14 10:18:01 PM  

Chemlight Battery: Nintenfreak: Yeah I have a copy.  It's um, not very good, you can see why they say A New Hope was saved in editing.  On the other hand, shiatty Science Fiction is kind of my jam so it's a book that makes me feel really conflicted.

Aside from hating Star Wars basically on principle with Disney buying it and turning it into Merchandise even more than it already was (which I gotta say would be impressive if it wasn't so depressing)

"They" say it was "saved in editing" because they saw it in a fallacious YouTube video by some dodgy internet rando.


Pretty certain his wife saved it in editing.  I'm not saying that makes it bad, it does mean it was a bit of a mess before it was finalized.  I mean did we really need Luke farking around Toshi Station jerking off at the Star Destroyer in low Tattooine orbit?
 
2022-11-14 10:20:45 PM  

Nintenfreak: Chemlight Battery: Nintenfreak: Yeah I have a copy.  It's um, not very good, you can see why they say A New Hope was saved in editing.  On the other hand, shiatty Science Fiction is kind of my jam so it's a book that makes me feel really conflicted.

Aside from hating Star Wars basically on principle with Disney buying it and turning it into Merchandise even more than it already was (which I gotta say would be impressive if it wasn't so depressing)

"They" say it was "saved in editing" because they saw it in a fallacious YouTube video by some dodgy internet rando.

Pretty certain his wife saved it in editing.  I'm not saying that makes it bad, it does mean it was a bit of a mess before it was finalized.  I mean did we really need Luke farking around Toshi Station jerking off at the Star Destroyer in low Tattooine orbit?


Yes, because Koo Stark is in that part.
 
2022-11-14 10:21:43 PM  

Nintenfreak: Pretty certain his wife saved it in editing.


There were five editors on ANH, including George. But I'm sure you were in the editing bay watching.
 
2022-11-14 10:35:12 PM  

Bot v2.38beta: Chemlight Battery:
"They" say it was "saved in editing" because they saw it in a fallacious YouTube video by some dodgy internet rando.

Or you know, the documentary that was included with the official 2004 DVD release...


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That's not what Empire of Dreams says. It says the original editor refused to do it Lucas's way, so Lucas fired him and hired people, including Marcia, who would do it the way he wanted.

It's on Disney plus. I recommend you watch it again, but pay attention this time.
 
2022-11-14 10:37:08 PM  

stationalpha5: Nintenfreak: Chemlight Battery: Nintenfreak: Yeah I have a copy.  It's um, not very good, you can see why they say A New Hope was saved in editing.  On the other hand, shiatty Science Fiction is kind of my jam so it's a book that makes me feel really conflicted.

Aside from hating Star Wars basically on principle with Disney buying it and turning it into Merchandise even more than it already was (which I gotta say would be impressive if it wasn't so depressing)

"They" say it was "saved in editing" because they saw it in a fallacious YouTube video by some dodgy internet rando.

Pretty certain his wife saved it in editing.  I'm not saying that makes it bad, it does mean it was a bit of a mess before it was finalized.  I mean did we really need Luke farking around Toshi Station jerking off at the Star Destroyer in low Tattooine orbit?

Yes, because Koo Stark is in that part.


Was he played by Sean Bean too?
 
2022-11-14 10:40:41 PM  

leeksfromchichis: Darth_Lukecash:

Watch The Hidden Fortress if you never have.  Very clearly inspired Lucas as well.


It's always very clear who has watched Hidden Fortress and who hasn't when mentioned in Star Wars discussions.
 
2022-11-14 10:46:42 PM  

leeksfromchichis: wiredroach: leeksfromchichis: Watch The Hidden Fortress if you never have.  Very clearly inspired Lucas as well.

Hell, what didn't inspire Star Wars? Kurosawa, Dune, the Lensman novels, Flash Gordon, Grimm's Fairy Tales, etc. etc.

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Shot for shot though?


Similar visual styles are not a shot for shot remake. It's not Sergio Leone remaking Yojimbo with Spanish Gypsies.
 
2022-11-14 10:50:51 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: Similar visual styles are not a shot for shot remake. It's not Sergio Leone remaking Yojimbo with Spanish Gypsies.


Neither is it Reservoir Dogs remaking City on Fire.
 
2022-11-14 11:01:51 PM  

Mugato: Night Train to Wakanda: Similar visual styles are not a shot for shot remake. It's not Sergio Leone remaking Yojimbo with Spanish Gypsies.

Neither is it Reservoir Dogs remaking City on Fire.


Chow Yun Fat was always a fun anti-hero.
 
2022-11-14 11:11:15 PM  
Chemlight Battery:

That's not what Empire of Dreams says. It says the original editor refused to do it Lucas's way, so Lucas fired him and hired people, including Marcia, who would do it the way he wanted.

It's on Disney plus. I recommend you watch it again, but pay attention this time.


"...the trios first task was to to give the film an energy and pace that was sorely lacking"

Which refers to the cuts that the fired dude and Lucas put together.

Empire of Dreams: The Story of the Star Wars Trilogy (2004)
Youtube vB1DA5jZdIQ


Lucas created a fun and interesting movie that changed the film and merchandising industry.
He is a mediocre editor and director and a terrible dialog writer.

"George, you can type this shiat, but you sure can't say it"

The cult of personalty around Lucas and Star Wars is absurd.
His work isn't free from criticism just because we have fond memories and feelings tied to it.
Valid criticisms are not personal insults to you or any fan.

The common refrain of "grow up" isn't meant to stop one enjoying childish things, it means to stop one acting childish about the things they enjoy.
 
2022-11-14 11:28:24 PM  

Mentat: I have a copy and used to have Return of the Jedi as well.  One thing I liked about those original books is that they gave backstory about what would become the prequels.  In the intro to Star Wars, it talks about the Republic becoming corrupted with Senator Palpatine rising to power.  In RotJ, Obi Wan describes the battle on Mustafar (without calling it that). You could definitely see the bones of the prequels throughout the series.


Obi-Wan describes Anakin falling into a "molten pit" IIRC.

I remember really latching onto that detail in the ROTJ novel as well.  It was a great tidbit of information to acquire, because there's no explicit explanation given in the original movies for Vader's disfigurement.
 
2022-11-15 1:00:51 AM  

Mugato: Nintenfreak: Pretty certain his wife saved it in editing.

There were five editors on ANH, including George. But I'm sure you were in the editing bay watching.


God you Star Wars fans got real thin skin.  Goddamn better make sure you don't get near any sneezes you might get an infection just quantum tunneling through your skin.
 
2022-11-15 1:03:17 AM  

Bot v2.38beta: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: When you want to be reminded that Fark is a dumping ground of aging neckbeards grasping onto childhood artifacts of faded meaning, visit one of the Star Wars threads.

I imagine them posting their defense of mass produced garbage in between rounds of Kinect Star Wars.
Two decent movies and a mountain of  "Made in China" plastic is not a good foundation for a personality.


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I mean hell, it's fine to like Star Wars, I love tons of really shiatty things, but you gotta own it and not be a whiny little biatch baby about people criticizing it.
 
2022-11-15 1:07:44 AM  

Bot v2.38beta: Chemlight Battery:

That's not what Empire of Dreams says. It says the original editor refused to do it Lucas's way, so Lucas fired him and hired people, including Marcia, who would do it the way he wanted.

It's on Disney plus. I recommend you watch it again, but pay attention this time.

"...the trios first task was to to give the film an energy and pace that was sorely lacking"

Which refers to the cuts that the fired dude and Lucas put together.

[YouTube video: Empire of Dreams: The Story of the Star Wars Trilogy (2004)]

Lucas created a fun and interesting movie that changed the film and merchandising industry.
He is a mediocre editor and director and a terrible dialog writer.

"George, you can type this shiat, but you sure can't say it"

The cult of personalty around Lucas and Star Wars is absurd.
His work isn't free from criticism just because we have fond memories and feelings tied to it.
Valid criticisms are not personal insults to you or any fan.

The common refrain of "grow up" isn't meant to stop one enjoying childish things, it means to stop one acting childish about the things they enjoy.


"Lucas and the fired dude." Impressive use of weasel words, and impressive dishonesty. You intentionally started the clip AFTER it described how it got in that condition.

For anyone who is actually interested, back it up a few minutes before where he started the clip to get the full story. Lucas explains he was shocked at how bad the editor had done, so he was coming in on his own time to try to unf*ck it, and the editor continued to refuse to cut it his way. So Lucas fired him and hired the new team to start from scratch because Lucas was already behind schedule and didn't have time to unf*ck it on his own. Because editing is a full time job.

And "cult of personality" around Lucas? Give me a break. The trendy thing to do is to find clever ways to avoid giving Lucas any credit at all for the success of Star Wars because the prequels didn't meet your expectations. So now you feel you need to revise the history of the "good" Star Wars, which is exactly where this childish "saved in the edit" bullshiat came from. Grow up.
 
2022-11-15 1:12:43 AM  

Nintenfreak: Yeah I have a copy.  It's um, not very good, you can see why they say A New Hope was saved in editing.  On the other hand, shiatty Science Fiction is kind of my jam so it's a book that makes me feel really conflicted.

Aside from hating Star Wars basically on principle with Disney buying it and turning it into Merchandise even more than it already was (which I gotta say would be impressive if it wasn't so depressing)


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Disney turned Star Wars into merchandise?

Have you seen the JarJar Binks candy pacifier?
 
2022-11-15 1:32:23 AM  

Chemlight Battery: he was coming in on his own time to try to unf*ck it



I'll start it from there. I was just trying to be succinct.

We're in agreement from the most part. All I was saying is the editors, which won an award out of many for the film, felt they cut a lot of bloat that George filmed. It is not an insult to you or the actual people involved. It's also been well documented in media outside of "randos on youtube"

It was an "unmitigated disaster... he knew he had to start from scratch"

Empire of Dreams: The Story of the Star Wars Trilogy (2004)
Youtube vB1DA5jZdIQ


My personal opinion is that I'm sad that Lucas had such a poor experience with the business side of the industry because he def could have done more awesome THX style films. I think the pressure of his success and the toxic fans have soured him on any future public work. I also enjoyed the prequels for what they are, but I can see they aren't to par with the OT.  Lucas is a rich dude getting to do what he loves, more power to him.

/he also did amazing work for the tech side of film
//deserves more credit for that imo
 
2022-11-15 1:35:33 AM  

paulleah: Nintenfreak: Yeah I have a copy.  It's um, not very good, you can see why they say A New Hope was saved in editing.  On the other hand, shiatty Science Fiction is kind of my jam so it's a book that makes me feel really conflicted.

Aside from hating Star Wars basically on principle with Disney buying it and turning it into Merchandise even more than it already was (which I gotta say would be impressive if it wasn't so depressing)

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Disney turned Star Wars into merchandise?

Have you seen the JarJar Binks candy pacifier?


See the thing is, while Lucas make Star Wars products, Disney made Star Wars INTO a product.
 
2022-11-15 2:12:06 AM  

Bot v2.38beta: Chemlight Battery: he was coming in on his own time to try to unf*ck it


I'll start it from there. I was just trying to be succinct.

We're in agreement from the most part. All I was saying is the editors, which won an award out of many for the film, felt they cut a lot of bloat that George filmed. It is not an insult to you or the actual people involved. It's also been well documented in media outside of "randos on youtube"

It was an "unmitigated disaster... he knew he had to start from scratch"

[YouTube video: Empire of Dreams: The Story of the Star Wars Trilogy (2004)]

My personal opinion is that I'm sad that Lucas had such a poor experience with the business side of the industry because he def could have done more awesome THX style films. I think the pressure of his success and the toxic fans have soured him on any future public work. I also enjoyed the prequels for what they are, but I can see they aren't to par with the OT.  Lucas is a rich dude getting to do what he loves, more power to him.

/he also did amazing work for the tech side of film
//deserves more credit for that imo


Cutting bloat is nothing new. Every film ends up with scenes cut.

The premise of the "saved in the edit" argument is that the editors saved the film from Lucas essentially by going against his vision for the film or at least against his intent for the edit, which is literally the opposite of what happened. They were hired to do it his way, and the guy who wouldn't do it his way was fired.

I'm not trying to take away anything from the editors. I've said before, I think the Battle of Yavin is still the best edited action sequence in film history, and that scene was specifically Marcia's work.

But the idea that the film with the best score, world-changing special effects, some of the most beloved characters in all of fiction, and for my money the most interesting fictional universe ever imagined, was just a big mess that only turned out good because it was saved by the editors is just flat out ridiculous. Everyone in every role on that film did brilliant work. And these revisionist attempts to try to take credit from Lucas are idiotic and downright weird. I'm convinced it is because, after the prequels, simple-minded people can't reconcile the idea that Lucas made something they love but also something they don't love
 
2022-11-15 3:01:41 AM  
I mean... Star Wars at its root is just the "Tropes Are Not Bad" meme turned into a toy-selling franchise, so the cliche thing is kind of a fair cop even for the movies.

It's also pretty hard to argue with "poorly written" since basically all of the best lines were the actors just dicking around and ad-libbing and because we actually know what Lucas-written dialogue is like-- the initial script (which the novelization was based on) would have been in the style of the dialogue and pacing in the prequels without the interference of the actors not taking it super seriously and several heavy hands on the editing wheel.

The fundamental lesson of the blockbuster era is that these things don't matter in movies specifically, and in fact a lot of films can intentionally disregard both originality and script-writing quality and still be pretty amazing if you get the right actors together and have fun with the visual elements like special effects and such.  This is a lot of why novelizations tend to be shiat in general, because those standards do very much still apply to written prose so adaptation can get rocky as fark pretty fast.
 
2022-11-15 4:30:17 AM  

Nintenfreak: Mugato: Nintenfreak: Pretty certain his wife saved it in editing.

There were five editors on ANH, including George. But I'm sure you were in the editing bay watching.

God you Star Wars fans got real thin skin.  Goddamn better make sure you don't get near any sneezes you might get an infection just quantum tunneling through your skin.


So, tell us what YOU like....go on flop it out for us to see, we're waiting.
I bet it's some 'too kool 4 U" anime isn't.

/spoiler they never do tell, they shait post and run
 
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