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(Northwest Indiana Times)   Indiana legislature: We're gonna chip away at public schools by taking their $$ to support private schools. And when they have to close buildings because of falling enrollment, force them to sell the buildings for $1. Judges: OK by us   (nwitimes.com) divider line
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Speaker2Animals [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-14 10:02:40 AM  
"God says it's OK to do this."
 
PreMortem
2022-11-14 10:51:48 AM  
To be clear, when they say "private schools" they mean Christian madrassas that enrich the owners.
 
Flappyhead
2022-11-14 12:06:14 PM  
Gotta keep'em stupid.
 
toraque [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-14 12:07:22 PM  
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"Keep 'em dumb and they'll keep voting for us!"
 
Pants full of macaroni!! [BareFark]
2022-11-14 12:07:42 PM  
And where that damnable cornfield goes, Ohio is sure to follow.
 
MLWS
2022-11-14 12:07:52 PM  
Keep the rubes uneducated.
 
mistahtom
2022-11-14 12:08:05 PM  

Flappyhead: Gotta keep'em stupid.


Need bodies for upcoming armed conflict and massive expansion of prison labor industry.
 
palelizard
2022-11-14 12:08:22 PM  

PreMortem: To be clear, when they say "private schools" they mean Christian madrassas that enrich the owners.


Right, we wouldn't want the wrong kind of private schools to benefit.
 
Geotpf
2022-11-14 12:11:04 PM  
Constitutionally, this ruling appears to be correct.  Government entities under the state level are really just subdivisions of the state.  It's not like a state versus Federal or government versus individual situation.

Of course, just because it's constitutional doesn't mean it's a good idea.
 
Serious Black
2022-11-14 12:11:06 PM  
Just because you have the power to do something doesn't mean it's a smart thing to do, nor does it mean you're taking that action for a reason other than animus against the target of your action.
 
Mrtraveler01
2022-11-14 12:11:20 PM  

PreMortem: To be clear, when they say "private schools" they mean Christian madrassas that enrich the owners.


Either that or fly-by-night "charter schools" that enrich their owners.
 
Serious Black
2022-11-14 12:11:32 PM  

Geotpf: Constitutionally, this ruling appears to be correct.  Government entities under the state level are really just subdivisions of the state.  It's not like a state versus Federal or government versus individual situation.

Of course, just because it's constitutional doesn't mean it's a good idea.


You beat me by two seconds.
 
TWX
2022-11-14 12:12:04 PM  
I see school districts quietly setting policies that nothing of educational purpose is ever to be thrown away, and then converting all of the closed sites into storage.  Or even doing that within each school, so even as per-school enrollment numbers drop, there are still programs at the campuses.
 
justanotherfarkinfarker
2022-11-14 12:12:18 PM  
The fact that one dollar of US tax money can go to Charter or Private schools in the US is farking shameful. Pisses me off and I don't even have kids. I just pay a fark ton of taxes.
 
Feel_the_velvet
2022-11-14 12:13:05 PM  
I'm surprised Clark was still open.  We played them in basketball in 9th grade at their place...I remember it was the night the US Air raided Baghdad in the first Iraqi war.

It seemed like a dead-school-walking then
 
Evil Mackerel
2022-11-14 12:13:38 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: And where that damnable cornfield goes, Ohio is sure to follow.


Not for at least twenty years.
 
rudemix [OhFark]
2022-11-14 12:13:49 PM  
Has there ever been a group of people like the GOP and its supporters who simultaneously cause problems and then decry them happening? For example, they built the environment that created a need for dual income families and then cried about the erosion of 'traditional family values' with some leave it to beaver type lifestyle with mom home in an apron all day being gone. I'm not sure what tears and fake grief this will lead to but you can bet within a generation they will be crying at the outcome of this as they do once the outcome of all their plans is reached.
 
Mikey1969 [OhFark]
2022-11-14 12:14:56 PM  
Fine. Then provide the property to the school districts for the same price. Making them use their budgets to build and manage these properties, but then not reimbursing them, is most definitely bullshiat.
 
PerpetualPeristalsis
2022-11-14 12:15:00 PM  
The ability to reason - to see shades of grey and not to be threatened by the nuance and complexity of an issue, is the enemy of the current incarnation of the Republican party (although, frankly, it is the enemy of the woke Left as well).
 
Dafatone [TotalFark]
2022-11-14 12:15:11 PM  

Mrtraveler01: PreMortem: To be clear, when they say "private schools" they mean Christian madrassas that enrich the owners.

Either that or fly-by-night "charter schools" that enrich their owners.


What about fly-by-night Christian madrassas?
 
AAAAGGGGHHHH
2022-11-14 12:15:51 PM  
Hitler once said that after Germany wins the world and conquers the world, the peoples in the "slave countries" will only receive just enough education to be able to read road signs and simple written orders from their Aryan Masters.
 
Hyjamon
2022-11-14 12:16:02 PM  
wait until all these folks learn how private schools won't have buses to pick your kids up. Have fun spending time in the drop-off line and having to provide transportation.

You want your little kid to play sports? Do you have a couple of thousand to spend on equipment, uniforms and fees to be on the "traveling team"? Can you afford the airfare to play in tourneys that are out of state?

Sure, your kid is more talented than that spoiled brat Johnny, but that spoiled brat's parents can afford for him to play sports and get scholarships.
 
Majin_Buu [OhFark]
2022-11-14 12:16:04 PM  

rudemix: Has there ever been a group of people like the GOP and its supporters who simultaneously cause problems and then decry them happening? For example, they built the environment that created a need for dual income families and then cried about the erosion of 'traditional family values' with some leave it to beaver type lifestyle with mom home in an apron all day being gone. I'm not sure what tears and fake grief this will lead to but you can bet within a generation they will be crying at the outcome of this as they do once the outcome of all their plans is reached.


There have been a few. The Nazis, for one.
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2022-11-14 12:16:32 PM  
Solution. Local school districts sell all capital assets to NFP holding entities and lease them back. This will block this type of seizure and if constructed correctly shouldn't add risk or cost.
 
AAAAGGGGHHHH
2022-11-14 12:17:08 PM  
correction: "wins the war"

WTF, Spellchecker!?
 
xtalman
2022-11-14 12:17:40 PM  
Oklahoma is trying to do the same thing, though the rural representatives realize that will put the final nail in the coffin of all those small towns through the state so there is a small bit of hope.

/Most of the smart kids from those towns are no where to be found after they graduate any where close to the town.
 
AuntieHelen
2022-11-14 12:18:07 PM  
They can't stop the signal, Mal.


They can't control the truth, it always finds a way. They will try and it will clog the courts with suits that burn up time and money until young people throw them out of power, as it the way of the world. Those who do not learn from history cannot stop it from repeating itself by not teaching it in antiquated systems that constitute a fraction of how people actually learn.
 
Nick Nostril
2022-11-14 12:18:31 PM  
There's no way this can possibly backfire. I mean, it's a good thing Indiana built a wall around the state to keep people from fleeing.

Who am I kidding? The hicks will eat this shiat up.
 
xalres
2022-11-14 12:18:40 PM  

Dafatone: Mrtraveler01: PreMortem: To be clear, when they say "private schools" they mean Christian madrassas that enrich the owners.

Either that or fly-by-night "charter schools" that enrich their owners.

What about fly-by-night Christian madrassas?


...but enough about Kanye.
 
AAAAGGGGHHHH
2022-11-14 12:18:48 PM  

Hyjamon: wait until all these folks learn how private schools won't have buses to pick your kids up. Have fun spending time in the drop-off line and having to provide transportation.

You want your little kid to play sports? Do you have a couple of thousand to spend on equipment, uniforms and fees to be on the "traveling team"? Can you afford the airfare to play in tourneys that are out of state?

Sure, your kid is more talented than that spoiled brat Johnny, but that spoiled brat's parents can afford for him to play sports and get scholarships.


Private schools also refuse accept any disabled kids and are exempt from any laws on treating them humanely if they do accept them. That right there tells you something about these places.
 
gyruss
2022-11-14 12:19:07 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Pants full of macaroni!!: And where that damnable cornfield goes, Ohio is sure to follow.

Not for at least twenty years.


If Brown loses in 2024, Ohio will be completely Republican except for a couple house seats.
 
Weaver95
2022-11-14 12:20:39 PM  
Keep doubling down on the stuff that's costing republicans elections.. . that'll end well!
For the liberals anyways.
 
Shryke
2022-11-14 12:20:40 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: The fact that one dollar of US tax money can go to Charter or Private schools in the US is farking shameful. Pisses me off and I don't even have kids. I just pay a fark ton of taxes.


Charters are public. Why are you against them?
 
Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient
2022-11-14 12:20:52 PM  

Mrtraveler01: PreMortem: To be clear, when they say "private schools" they mean Christian madrassas that enrich the owners.

Either that or fly-by-night "charter schools" that enrich their owners.


Both - all that donate to GOP candidates.
 
GhostOfSavageHenry
2022-11-14 12:22:09 PM  
It's like when that inexperienced trusting kid got duped out of their toys by the older smarter kids. Don't worry, u'm sure what the corporations and billionaires are stealing will eventually trickle back down....any day now.
 
huma474
2022-11-14 12:22:31 PM  
There's a reason why Eli Lily is leaving Indiana, and this is a big part of it. Something else really fun to realize - there are several counties in Indiana where the school system is one of the largest employers, so this is only going to help cause more unemployment for Indiana.
 
squirrelinator
2022-11-14 12:22:40 PM  
Eventually, these kids aren't going to get into any decent colleges. Maybe that's what they want but that's not the college's problem.

What will they do then, when most of New York or Illinois won't accept applicants from Indiana?
 
mrmopar5287 [TotalFark]
2022-11-14 12:22:45 PM  
What is the market value of an unused school? People aren't lining up to purchase them for anything, really.

One small grade school from my youth closed because everything was consolidated to one school once the building was expanded. That old grade school is now the township office building, so it houses some offices for the people who run the water plant and people who supervise the road maintenance. That's actually not a bad use for the building, really.

Other than a few edge cases, of what use is an empty school?
 
Nick Nostril
2022-11-14 12:23:45 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Pants full of macaroni!!: And where that damnable cornfield goes, Ohio is sure to follow.

Not for at least twenty years.


Not sure about that timeline, but, hopefully long enough to get my family the fark out of here. Of course, I'm also encouraging my kids to look at getting out of the country.
 
hereinNC
2022-11-14 12:23:46 PM  
So my local taxes that go to bonds for my local school district can be taken by the state  for which I pay seperate taxes too?


I saw hell no.   The state owes the taxpayers a tax credit.

I guess Indiana Jusges and the State legislature are just a mafia organization then.
 
squirrelinator
2022-11-14 12:23:54 PM  

Shryke: justanotherfarkinfarker: The fact that one dollar of US tax money can go to Charter or Private schools in the US is farking shameful. Pisses me off and I don't even have kids. I just pay a fark ton of taxes.

Charters are public. Why are you against them?


Do they have to follow to the letter public school rules? Then just fund public schools and do away with charters. If they don't, then they don't meet the minimum for solid education, and do away with them.
 
heavymetal
2022-11-14 12:27:03 PM  
FTFA: "Vaidik said given that relationship, courts repeatedly have held local governments cannot sue their state, or state agencies, under the takings clause of the Constitution.

"Indisputably, the school corporations here are political subdivisions of the state. We conclude the school corporations may not assert takings claims against the state," Vaidik said."

So basically, local governments operate at the discretion of the state government and have no real power except what the state government temporarily permits them to have; the will of the local electorate be damned?

What happened to the conservative concept of local control because the people living there know better than those hundreds of miles away at the state capitol and politicians who do not live there?

The Indiana Democratic Party should start pushing the local control narrative like the GOP used to successfully do when they could more regularly win elections.
 
HoodRich White Man
2022-11-14 12:27:33 PM  

Hyjamon: wait until all these folks learn how private schools won't have buses to pick your kids up. Have fun spending time in the drop-off line and having to provide transportation.

You want your little kid to play sports? Do you have a couple of thousand to spend on equipment, uniforms and fees to be on the "traveling team"? Can you afford the airfare to play in tourneys that are out of state?

Sure, your kid is more talented than that spoiled brat Johnny, but that spoiled brat's parents can afford for him to play sports and get scholarships.


To be fair, if they had any ability to extrapolate, or vote in their own best interests, then they wouldn't be voting Republican.
 
Discordulator
2022-11-14 12:30:23 PM  

Shryke: justanotherfarkinfarker: The fact that one dollar of US tax money can go to Charter or Private schools in the US is farking shameful. Pisses me off and I don't even have kids. I just pay a fark ton of taxes.

Charters are public. Why are you against them?


Because charter schools are basically scams that divert resources away from other schools, largely due to an overall lack of accountability.

When they aren't outright scams they often function more like publicly funded private schools, and some fundamentalist groups are trying to use this as a way to teach the Bible in schools with taxpayer money.

Quite simply, they are designed to make America less great.
 
Begoggle
2022-11-14 12:30:32 PM  

PreMortem: To be clear, when they say "private schools" they mean Christian madrassas that enrich the owners.


And they can push whatever Republican propaganda they want, even beyond religion.
 
Toxophil
2022-11-14 12:31:38 PM  

xtalman: Oklahoma is trying to do the same thing, though the rural representatives realize that will put the final nail in the coffin of all those small towns through the state so there is a small bit of hope.

/Most of the smart kids from those towns are no where to be found after they graduate any where close to the town.


If they stop the kids from becoming smart, they'll stay and jock the register at the dollar store. More wins for the GOP.
 
Senseless_drivel
2022-11-14 12:33:19 PM  

Mikey1969: Fine. Then provide the property to the school districts for the same price. Making them use their budgets to build and manage these properties, but then not reimbursing them, is most definitely bullshiat.


I'm not in Indiana so things may be different there. Paying for schools comes out of property taxes. The schools are typically the largest budget item because the cost is spread across the district, not the state.

After paying hundreds every month for upkeep and improvement it would be insane for district to give good buildings away for $1.

A few years back the district closed an elementary school in a prime area.
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Then they observed the youth population growing so they opened it back up. If they followed the Indiana path there would be a bond referendum to purchase land and a new school.

The local taxpayers have skin in the game and should have a voice in these decisions.
 
Gin Buddy
2022-11-14 12:34:06 PM  

Discordulator: Shryke: justanotherfarkinfarker: The fact that one dollar of US tax money can go to Charter or Private schools in the US is farking shameful. Pisses me off and I don't even have kids. I just pay a fark ton of taxes.

Charters are public. Why are you against them?

Because charter schools are basically scams that divert resources away from other schools, largely due to an overall lack of accountability.

When they aren't outright scams they often function more like publicly funded private schools, and some fundamentalist groups are trying to use this as a way to teach the Bible in schools with taxpayer money.

Quite simply, they are designed to make America less great.


I guess that's your experience with them. My daughter went to a pretty good one though. The advantage a good charter school seems to have is that they are not bound by the idiocy that public schools are. It's almost impossible to get the public school system to change for the better but charters don't have to follow their incompetency.

Our experience was: Small class sizes, better curriculum, and the same nonstop fundraising as public schools.
 
Cheron
2022-11-14 12:34:51 PM  
This was the point of No Child Left Behind. W wanted to pay back his evangelical supporters buy giving public school funds to religious schools. The courts said he couldn't do it as long as there were effective public schools. So he created a standard, no child left behind, to show schools weren't effective.
 
physt [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-11-14 12:35:08 PM  

PreMortem: To be clear, when they say "private schools" they mean Christian madrassas that enrich the owners.


Don't forget the spreading of violent, hateful propaganda and support for religious radicals.
 
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