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(Some Guy)   Are card games based primarily on skill or chance? Let's roll the dice and watch the dominoes fall. King me   (medianama.com) divider line
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2022-11-09 9:40:06 PM  
I don't know, but I farked some dude up with a 1 power Squirrel in Marvel Snap :D
 
2022-11-09 10:08:25 PM  
If it's blackjack, you can get permabanned in Vegas. So I heard.
 
2022-11-09 11:22:06 PM  
Seems to me it's about 90% luck - the cards you draw. And 10% skill - what you know about what to do with those cards. And since gambling is a thin-margin thing, that 10% makes a massive difference. But I didn't RTFA.
 
2022-11-09 11:28:39 PM  
As long as they can keep using Robinhood, I'm not too concerned.
 
2022-11-09 11:38:55 PM  
Go Phish...
 
2022-11-09 11:40:11 PM  
Depends on how many hands you play.

One hand of poker is raw luck- I don't care if you're Phil Helmuth, if the cards you get dealt are garbage you're going to lose.

100 hands?  If you are able to understand people's betting patterns, calculate odds, be random enough not to let others know what you have and the rest, well, you're still going to lose pretty often because the cards sometimes just fark you but you're going to do better than chance.
 
2022-11-09 11:40:32 PM  
CheckPlunk!
 
2022-11-09 11:43:33 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Seems to me it's about 90% luck - the cards you draw. And 10% skill - what you know about what to do with those cards. And since gambling is a thin-margin thing, that 10% makes a massive difference. But I didn't RTFA.


What game are we talking about? Because for something like baccarat it's 100% luck.

For blackjack, over a long enough time with perfect play it's 100% skill (of course you'll be kicked out of the casino well before that long enough time).

For poker. I'll say about 75% skill. There's a skill in knowing when you're behind and losing the minimum in addition to winning the maximum.
 
2022-11-09 11:46:46 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Depends on how many hands you play.

One hand of poker is raw luck- I don't care if you're Phil Helmuth, if the cards you get dealt are garbage you're going to lose.

100 hands?  If you are able to understand people's betting patterns, calculate odds, be random enough not to let others know what you have and the rest, well, you're still going to lose pretty often because the cards sometimes just fark you but you're going to do better than chance.


Pure randomness is overrated. The machines have taught us that you don't want random, you want balance. For every time you 3bet AA, KK or AK, you need to be able to 3bet 9 or 10 other hands (suited wheel draw cards are particularly favored by the GTO machine learning machines for the bluff portion of your range).
 
2022-11-09 11:47:14 PM  

Gubbo: Three Crooked Squirrels: Seems to me it's about 90% luck - the cards you draw. And 10% skill - what you know about what to do with those cards. And since gambling is a thin-margin thing, that 10% makes a massive difference. But I didn't RTFA.

What game are we talking about? Because for something like baccarat it's 100% luck.

For blackjack, over a long enough time with perfect play it's 100% skill (of course you'll be kicked out of the casino well before that long enough time).

For poker. I'll say about 75% skill. There's a skill in knowing when you're behind and losing the minimum in addition to winning the maximum.


I only play blackjack. The poker and baccarat rooms intimidate me.
 
2022-11-09 11:49:28 PM  
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2022-11-09 11:52:25 PM  

Gubbo: Three Crooked Squirrels: Seems to me it's about 90% luck - the cards you draw. And 10% skill - what you know about what to do with those cards. And since gambling is a thin-margin thing, that 10% makes a massive difference. But I didn't RTFA.

What game are we talking about? Because for something like baccarat it's 100% luck.

For blackjack, over a long enough time with perfect play it's 100% skill (of course you'll be kicked out of the casino well before that long enough time).

For poker. I'll say about 75% skill. There's a skill in knowing when you're behind and losing the minimum in addition to winning the maximum.


The thing about poker is you're playing the other people at the table more than you're playing the cards themselves.  To win consistently requires the ability to read the other players in addition to having a firm understanding of the statistics and odds.  There's still an element of luck/chance but it's by far the most skill based card game in terms of gambling.
 
2022-11-09 11:53:33 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Gubbo: Three Crooked Squirrels: Seems to me it's about 90% luck - the cards you draw. And 10% skill - what you know about what to do with those cards. And since gambling is a thin-margin thing, that 10% makes a massive difference. But I didn't RTFA.

What game are we talking about? Because for something like baccarat it's 100% luck.

For blackjack, over a long enough time with perfect play it's 100% skill (of course you'll be kicked out of the casino well before that long enough time).

For poker. I'll say about 75% skill. There's a skill in knowing when you're behind and losing the minimum in addition to winning the maximum.

I only play blackjack. The poker and baccarat rooms intimidate me.


Baccarat is dirt simple. Player or Bank.

/I have also never played it because I feel intimidated to sit down at the table
 
2022-11-10 12:05:23 AM  
Do they have Yu Gi Oh in Macau?
 
2022-11-10 12:19:53 AM  

Mugato: If it's blackjack, you can get permabanned in Vegas. So I heard.


6 straight farking hours of blackjack at a $5 table 2 decades ago. End result:
A) $20 ahead.
B) Thinking about it afterward, i definitely tipped the dealer more than $20 over the course of 6 hours. But, he made it fun enough for us to keep going for that many hours. It was earned.
C) I haven't played since. A feeling 'yuuuuck' comes over me if the opportunity arrises. And i'm the boring type of guy who will sit and play solitaire on my phone for a good hour on occasion.
 
2022-11-10 12:43:15 AM  
The majority of winning at poker is knowing what tables to sit at.
 
2022-11-10 12:46:44 AM  
It takes a lot of skill to draw Black Lotus, Channel, and Fireball.

But not as much skill as playing Merfolk.
 
2022-11-10 12:48:00 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Depends on how many hands you play.

One hand of poker is raw luck- I don't care if you're Phil Helmuth, if the cards you get dealt are garbage you're going to lose.

100 hands?  If you are able to understand people's betting patterns, calculate odds, be random enough not to let others know what you have and the rest, well, you're still going to lose pretty often because the cards sometimes just fark you but you're going to do better than chance.


The trick to poker: when playing against hacks, fold early and often.  When playing against skilled players, don't play against skilled players.
 
2022-11-10 1:19:41 AM  

Abox: Glockenspiel Hero: Depends on how many hands you play.

One hand of poker is raw luck- I don't care if you're Phil Helmuth, if the cards you get dealt are garbage you're going to lose.

100 hands?  If you are able to understand people's betting patterns, calculate odds, be random enough not to let others know what you have and the rest, well, you're still going to lose pretty often because the cards sometimes just fark you but you're going to do better than chance.

The trick to poker: when playing against hacks, fold early and often.  When playing against skilled players, don't play against skilled players.


Look around the table, and if you can't spot the fish, try looking in a mirror...
 
2022-11-10 1:22:47 AM  
Headline:
"How Will The Tamil Nadu Government's Online Gambling Law Impact Indian Gaming Companies?"

Am I the only one offended they didn't use the politically correct "Native Americans"?
 
2022-11-10 2:12:28 AM  
Stu Ungar was such a great gin rummy player that no other professional would play him. He had to switch to poker to make a living, and he dominated that game for years. Unfortunately his drug habit and lifestyle killed him.
 
2022-11-10 4:01:04 AM  
I can lose my money without losing any money by playing Fruit Machine Simulator instead.

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2022-11-10 4:29:23 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The majority of winning at poker is knowing what tables to sit at.


I always go for the dessert table.  I've never lost a game of poker that way.
 
2022-11-10 5:38:39 AM  
What I know about Euchre is you start sober and end drunk.
 
2022-11-10 5:48:54 AM  

Garza and the Supermutants: Stu Ungar was such a great gin rummy player that no other professional would play him. He had to switch to poker to make a living, and he dominated that game for years. Unfortunately his drug habit and lifestyle killed him.


Fascinating story that films haven't seemed to capture well.
 
2022-11-10 5:53:29 AM  

Shirley Ujest: What I know about Euchre is you start sober and end drunk.


My euchre story. I was the first guy past the dealer and had bottom 4 trump and an off color ace. I was gonna lead Trump to draw the big ones, but the guy to my left beat me to it by laying down the top 3 Trump to euchre me.
 
2022-11-10 7:01:14 AM  
It's 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, and 50% pain.
 
2022-11-10 7:05:13 AM  
If you're gambling for anything other than fun, because you have a few hours to spare and a few extra dollars in your pocket you're not going to miss if you lose, you're probably not the type of person who should be gambling.

See also: state lotteries
 
2022-11-10 7:24:38 AM  
God damn that's a stupid question, Subby. Card games run from 100% chance all the way to 0% chance.
 
2022-11-10 7:35:04 AM  
Well if you play this guy, you're going to get clobbered by skill.

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2022-11-10 7:47:46 AM  
 
2022-11-10 8:17:57 AM  
Read somewhere the most *satisfying* games to play are the ones that rely on half-luck, half-skill.  For the most fun, not talking profit.

Which amazes me when you see the Japanese are crazy about that dice game where they put some dice in a cup, rattle it, thump it down -- place your bets.  "Odd or even?"  There's no skill involved, and the odds are always 50-50. Playing longer won't "prime the odds".  Weird.
 
2022-11-10 9:24:47 AM  
There's a difference between a game that takes money to make interesting, or a game that is interesting unit's own.

No one plays poker without betting..., It sucks, and is just a coin flip.

Gin, Pinochle, bridge are all games that are interesting without money.  They are more skill based.  Of course, they get more interesting with money, but are still playable without money.
 
2022-11-10 10:05:56 AM  
Isn't this a stats 301 kind of a question? Analyze the performance of poker players, or whatever card game you want, and determine if the outcomes are random or not.
 
2022-11-10 12:43:41 PM  
This is such a weird example of legal definitions clouding out common sense definitions. Several online sites that have dominoes, canasta, gin rummy, etc. have disclaimers that they are "games of skill, not chance" or "not gambling" as if there is no overlap between the two.
I am a member of the American Cribbage Congress, which has a fair number of tournaments in various places. There is a modest registration fee, and most of that money is returned to the top finishers. Almost all tournaments have side pools. And yet, hilariously, I've seen flyers that say things like "Maine State Law - NO GAMBLING PERMITTED" as if "We will each put $20 in a pile and whichever of us does best at this card game (where skill and luck both play a role in determining who wins) will get to take the pile of twenties" is somehow not gambling.
 
2022-11-10 2:17:05 PM  

AxL sANe: Well if you play this guy, you're going to get clobbered by skill.


Never play poker with a guy who does card tricks.

Never do card tricks at the poker table.
 
2022-11-10 2:27:11 PM  
Georgia Skin = pure chance

The only skill necessary is the ability to say "hmm, no, I don't want to lose 150 dollars in 14 seconds while not understanding the game is already over...again"
 
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