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2022-11-04 6:14:23 PM  
My personal fear follows Admiral Ackbar's thinking. What if Ukraine forces move into Kherson, then Putin drops a tactical nuke on Kherson?
 
2022-11-04 7:20:49 PM  

AirForceVet: My personal fear follows Admiral Ackbar's thinking. What if Ukraine forces move into Kherson, then Putin drops a tactical nuke on Kherson?


Or blows the Kakhovka dam.
The resulting rush of water would cause more immediate damage on a far larger area than a nuke. Plus, russia could would claim Ukraine did it.
 
2022-11-04 8:15:11 PM  

Redh8t: AirForceVet: My personal fear follows Admiral Ackbar's thinking. What if Ukraine forces move into Kherson, then Putin drops a tactical nuke on Kherson?

Or blows the Kakhovka dam.
The resulting rush of water would cause more immediate damage on a far larger area than a nuke. Plus, russia could would claim Ukraine did it.


It's not like a full Hoover Dam I'm pretty sure. And I think it actually floods the left bank mostly. Makes sense they built the city on the high side, but I'm not certain.
 
2022-11-04 8:17:13 PM  

Redh8t: AirForceVet: My personal fear follows Admiral Ackbar's thinking. What if Ukraine forces move into Kherson, then Putin drops a tactical nuke on Kherson?

Or blows the Kakhovka dam.
The resulting rush of water would cause more immediate damage on a far larger area than a nuke. Plus, russia could would claim Ukraine did it.


The dam is the obvious Russian plan, which is why I am convinced the Ukrainians will not enter Kherson in any meaningful way until after it is secured.
 
2022-11-04 8:18:41 PM  
Nukes?
 
2022-11-04 8:22:41 PM  
Russia: #winning
 
2022-11-04 8:25:05 PM  

winedrinkingman: Redh8t: AirForceVet: My personal fear follows Admiral Ackbar's thinking. What if Ukraine forces move into Kherson, then Putin drops a tactical nuke on Kherson?

Or blows the Kakhovka dam.
The resulting rush of water would cause more immediate damage on a far larger area than a nuke. Plus, russia could would claim Ukraine did it.

The dam is the obvious Russian plan, which is why I am convinced the Ukrainians will not enter Kherson in any meaningful way until after it is secured.


The actions and "plans" of the Russian army in Ukraine make me feel like a tactical genius. Wow, I can sit at my computer and out-think an entire nation's military planners AND see through their plans?
 
2022-11-04 8:25:18 PM  

Jake Havechek: Nukes?


When in doubt, it's nukes.
 
2022-11-04 8:26:23 PM  
Earlier this year Ukraine hosted a master class in diversion, misinformation, and operational security that had Russia so spun around they didn't know whether to scratch their watch or wind their ass.

This is amateur hour by comparison.
 
2022-11-04 8:26:28 PM  

erik-k: winedrinkingman: Redh8t: AirForceVet: My personal fear follows Admiral Ackbar's thinking. What if Ukraine forces move into Kherson, then Putin drops a tactical nuke on Kherson?

Or blows the Kakhovka dam.
The resulting rush of water would cause more immediate damage on a far larger area than a nuke. Plus, russia could would claim Ukraine did it.

The dam is the obvious Russian plan, which is why I am convinced the Ukrainians will not enter Kherson in any meaningful way until after it is secured.

The actions and "plans" of the Russian army in Ukraine make me feel like a tactical genius. Wow, I can sit at my computer and out-think an entire nation's military planners AND see through their plans?


Just rush in and deal with the aftermath later.
 
2022-11-04 8:26:34 PM  
Putin is cloning Jack the Ripper to deploy as a zombie army.
 
2022-11-04 8:26:47 PM  

AirForceVet: My personal fear follows Admiral Ackbar's thinking. What if Ukraine forces move into Kherson, then Putin drops a tactical nuke on Kherson?


Putin won't use nukes. The instant he does, his remaining lifespan will be measured in days.

The West wouldn't even have to use nukes in retaliation. We'd kick his shiat In conventionally with a level of violence and swiftness not seen since Desert Storm.
 
2022-11-04 8:28:30 PM  
Two days ago NBS reported that Russian soldiers were changing into civilian clothes and moving into west Kherson residences "but we don't know why."

It's so KatynJethroe can lament the loss of civilians when those soldiers are killed.
 
2022-11-04 8:34:04 PM  

6nome: Jake Havechek: Nukes?

When in doubt, it's nukes.


/ponies

"If nuclear weapons aren't solving your problems, you aren't using enough of them"

/ponies
 
2022-11-04 8:34:59 PM  
The Beast of Exmoor has been spotted in the area.
 
2022-11-04 8:38:40 PM  

Omnivorous: Two days ago NBS reported that Russian soldiers were changing into civilian clothes and moving into west Kherson residences "but we don't know why."


They've been doing that the whole war.
 
2022-11-04 8:39:41 PM  
Well now the Israelis will definitely stop supporting Russia, you never abandon the West Bank!
 
2022-11-04 8:43:55 PM  
I'm sure the Intel Ukraine gets is way better than Russian. After all Russian soldiers are giving up their locations on their smart phones and the information they are getting from the west is probably better than any Russian Intel.
 
2022-11-04 8:50:46 PM  

BrundleFlyForAWhiteGuy: AirForceVet: My personal fear follows Admiral Ackbar's thinking. What if Ukraine forces move into Kherson, then Putin drops a tactical nuke on Kherson?

Putin won't use nukes. The instant he does, his remaining lifespan will be measured in days.

The West wouldn't even have to use nukes in retaliation. We'd kick his shiat In conventionally with a level of violence and swiftness not seen since Desert Storm.


Happening as it did only a few months after the dissolution of the USSR, Soviet leaders were able to watch with the rest of us on CNN as American aircraft flew through Baghdad's soviet-manufactured air defenses with utter impunity, and as American Abrams tanks shredded Soviet armor like it was tinsel paper.

In a prediction that aged like whole milk during an Arizona summer, some moron in February predicted that Russia's attack on Ukraine would be a "Sputnik moment." Operation Desert Storm, however, was a true Sputnik moment: It was the first time we'd seen Western arms in action, against an opponent with Soviet equipment, that seriously thought it could stand against them on a battlefield... and it was a wipeout the likes of which the world had never seen before. The Russian generals watching it were in uncomprehending disbelief at how far behind the Soviets had fallen, much like Gorbachev when he was casually shown a small town grocery store which put even what Party elites in Moscow could get to shame.

Well... We've been making 32 years of advances in precision munitions, targeting tracking, stealth and electronics. Desert Storm today would have begun with a thousand GPS-guided missiles fired from over the horizon destroying every piece of artillery Baghdad without them ever getting a chance to fire a shell. And Russia has spent 32 years being stolen blind by the oligarchs and Russian Hitler.

To say we would "kick his shiat in" doesn't even begin to describe it. And everyone knows it.
 
2022-11-04 8:52:31 PM  

BrundleFlyForAWhiteGuy: AirForceVet: My personal fear follows Admiral Ackbar's thinking. What if Ukraine forces move into Kherson, then Putin drops a tactical nuke on Kherson?

Putin won't use nukes. The instant he does, his remaining lifespan will be measured in days.

The West wouldn't even have to use nukes in retaliation. We'd kick his shiat In conventionally with a level of violence and swiftness not seen since Desert Storm.


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2022-11-04 8:57:43 PM  

erik-k: BrundleFlyForAWhiteGuy: AirForceVet: My personal fear follows Admiral Ackbar's thinking. What if Ukraine forces move into Kherson, then Putin drops a tactical nuke on Kherson?

Putin won't use nukes. The instant he does, his remaining lifespan will be measured in days.

The West wouldn't even have to use nukes in retaliation. We'd kick his shiat In conventionally with a level of violence and swiftness not seen since Desert Storm.

Happening as it did only a few months after the dissolution of the USSR, Soviet leaders were able to watch with the rest of us on CNN as American aircraft flew through Baghdad's soviet-manufactured air defenses with utter impunity, and as American Abrams tanks shredded Soviet armor like it was tinsel paper.

In a prediction that aged like whole milk during an Arizona summer, some moron in February predicted that Russia's attack on Ukraine would be a "Sputnik moment." Operation Desert Storm, however, was a true Sputnik moment: It was the first time we'd seen Western arms in action, against an opponent with Soviet equipment, that seriously thought it could stand against them on a battlefield... and it was a wipeout the likes of which the world had never seen before. The Russian generals watching it were in uncomprehending disbelief at how far behind the Soviets had fallen, much like Gorbachev when he was casually shown a small town grocery store which put even what Party elites in Moscow could get to shame.

Well... We've been making 32 years of advances in precision munitions, targeting tracking, stealth and electronics. Desert Storm today would have begun with a thousand GPS-guided missiles fired from over the horizon destroying every piece of artillery Baghdad without them ever getting a chance to fire a shell. And Russia has spent 32 years being stolen blind by the oligarchs and Russian Hitler.

To say we would "kick his shiat in" doesn't even begin to describe it. And everyone knows it.


And we're sending Ukraine our old shiat, which will make room for more NEW toys for us!
 
2022-11-04 9:04:25 PM  
Would there be any disadvantage to just leaving it unoccupied?
 
2022-11-04 9:08:53 PM  

WillofJ2: Would there be any disadvantage to just leaving it unoccupied?


There are a few.
/Too lazy for details
 
2022-11-04 9:11:55 PM  
Everybody said Pooter wouldn't invade. Insane, they said.
Everybody says Pooter won't use nukes. Insane.
Yep.

How about election day?
 
2022-11-04 9:12:36 PM  
Hopscotch Warfare.   If the Russians have left, no need to occupy, just drive around and keep going
 
2022-11-04 9:26:56 PM  
Ukraine is pouring over some very nice satellite photos provided by us, they probably know where the Russians are better than Putin
 
2022-11-04 9:29:38 PM  

BrundleFlyForAWhiteGuy: AirForceVet: My personal fear follows Admiral Ackbar's thinking. What if Ukraine forces move into Kherson, then Putin drops a tactical nuke on Kherson?

Putin won't use nukes. The instant he does, his remaining lifespan will be measured in days.

The West wouldn't even have to use nukes in retaliation. We'd kick his shiat In conventionally with a level of violence and swiftness not seen since Desert Storm.


So much This!!
Pootski has exhausted his entire army just getting himself snagged in Ukraine.
He's been stupid/arrogant enough to let it happen in plain sight where everyone can see. 
No one is friends with Russia.  Not even Russia's partners are friends of Russia.
Every time Vladdy picks up his phone the voices on the other end keep reminding him that their patience is about gone and if he crosses the wrong line even once, multiple countries who already hate him will storm in and take turns demonstrating how painful a curb stomping can be before they end him and his failure of a country.  And if that happens no one will show up to save him.  Not a soul.
 
2022-11-04 10:42:04 PM  

AirForceVet: My personal fear follows Admiral Ackbar's thinking. What if Ukraine forces move into Kherson, then Putin drops a tactical nuke on Kherson?


"There was silence from senior officials in Moscow. The Kyiv government and Western military analysts remained cautious, suggesting Russia could be setting a trap for advancing Ukrainian troops. "
 
2022-11-04 10:50:07 PM  

whither_apophis: Ukraine is pouring over some very nice satellite photos provided by us, they probably know where the Russians are better than Putin


Like a dot on a map for each one who has used a phone, radio or electric toothbrush.
And acoustics analyzed to show every wall and soft target in the room
And every thermal signature recorded
And satellite MIMOSA GPR to highlight anything underground and it's composition
 
2022-11-04 10:53:42 PM  

WillofJ2: Would there be any disadvantage to just leaving it unoccupied?


Yes.
If Ukraine doesn't advance, it could constitute a de facto Military Demarcation Line. (Which is probably exactly what putin wants)

The best way to understand this, is to understand the continuing Korean war.
Sure, the shooting stopped in 1953. But its only an armistice. And as we've witnessed in recent days, the war is still very real.
 
2022-11-04 11:02:56 PM  

The Green Intern: Earlier this year Ukraine hosted a master class in diversion, misinformation, and operational security that had Russia so spun around they didn't know whether to scratch their watch or wind their ass.

This is amateur hour by comparison.


When you have the far superior eyes and ears of the entire Farking WORLD at your disposal and near-infinite crowd sourcing on what will happen and what to do, an enemy's WW2-level strategy and planning is not going to fool anyone.
 
2022-11-04 11:04:19 PM  

Redh8t: WillofJ2: Would there be any disadvantage to just leaving it unoccupied?

Yes.
If Ukraine doesn't advance, it could constitute a de facto Military Demarcation Line. (Which is probably exactly what putin wants)

The best way to understand this, is to understand the continuing Korean war.
Sure, the shooting stopped in 1953. But its only an armistice. And as we've witnessed in recent days, the war is still very real.


Gotcha, thanks
 
2022-11-04 11:27:04 PM  
Well if Russia may or not be planning something, just put a minimal force in the city and concentrate your forces elsewhere?  Put more troops northward to help take the dam or sooner or something.
 
2022-11-04 11:38:51 PM  
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2022-11-04 11:40:58 PM  
Putin WILL use nukes, he is not Khrushchev v. Kennedy, Nor is he Gromyko/Gorbachev vs. Reagan, Kennedy nor Reagan were weak with the Soviets like Biden is. Also there was a lot less crazy with Khrushchev and Gromyko/Gorbachev. They had more rationality. I believe if we keep agitating him he will outmaneuver Biden easily. And the Biden Admin is too weak to know how to respond.
 
2022-11-04 11:43:18 PM  

Magorn: Hopscotch Warfare.   If the Russians have left, no need to occupy, just drive around and keep going


Drive around what?
The Dnieper river is the naturally occurring fortification that russia is counting on for their defense. The river is massive, fourth largest in Europe.

No way the Ukrainian military could build a bridge across it without being attacked. There's no "driving around"
The Ukrainian military needs Kherson in order to press the russians back towards Crimea.
 
2022-11-05 12:10:06 AM  

Magorn: Hopscotch Warfare.   If the Russians have left, no need to occupy, just drive around and keep going


Yes but the Russians have not left Kherson nor do they intend to they have actually increased Military in Kherson hoping that the Ukrainians are idiots and go in.
 
2022-11-05 12:25:21 AM  

Redh8t: AirForceVet: My personal fear follows Admiral Ackbar's thinking. What if Ukraine forces move into Kherson, then Putin drops a tactical nuke on Kherson?

Or blows the Kakhovka dam.
The resulting rush of water would cause more immediate damage on a far larger area than a nuke. Plus, russia could would claim Ukraine did it.


I don't think Russia blows the dam until they give up on Crimea, because it is still the source of its civilian water supply.
 
2022-11-05 12:27:57 AM  

WillofJ2: Would there be any disadvantage to just leaving it unoccupied?


Not that I can see.

Ukraine can rest, refit and rearm while dropping the occasional HIMARS, and the civilians don't have to deal with the Russian troops.

Would be epic if Ukraine just ignored it and hit another area in strength, just like their previous counteroffensive that took the Russians completely by surprise.
 
2022-11-05 12:48:56 AM  
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2022-11-05 12:56:59 AM  
Got to keep hitting the russ logistics chains hard with the himars long range, the forces in kherson will run out of food and other things eventually.
 
2022-11-05 1:03:12 AM  

Magorn: Hopscotch Warfare.   If the Russians have left, no need to occupy, just drive around and keep going


Do you know who else used blitzkrieg tactics?
 
2022-11-05 1:32:52 AM  

Redh8t: WillofJ2: Would there be any disadvantage to just leaving it unoccupied?

Yes.
If Ukraine doesn't advance, it could constitute a de facto Military Demarcation Line. (Which is probably exactly what putin wants)

The best way to understand this, is to understand the continuing Korean war.
Sure, the shooting stopped in 1953. But its only an armistice. And as we've witnessed in recent days, the war is still very real.


Difficulty: Russia had static lines in Ukraine before February of this year.

Any ceasefire now has the very likely possibility that Russia will restock, rebuild their army, and then launch a new invasion.

While currently, Ukraine has the PR needed to get equipment, training, and info from the West.  That's not guaranteed in a future conflict.

Ukraine has a lot of reasons to continue this fight.
 
2022-11-05 3:02:24 AM  
Jesus, what kind of idiot thinks this kind of obvious trap will work? It's like they're little kids playing around in the sandbox.
 
2022-11-05 4:26:44 AM  

Mega Steve: erik-k: BrundleFlyForAWhiteGuy: AirForceVet: My personal fear follows Admiral Ackbar's thinking. What if Ukraine forces move into Kherson, then Putin drops a tactical nuke on Kherson?

Putin won't use nukes. The instant he does, his remaining lifespan will be measured in days.

The West wouldn't even have to use nukes in retaliation. We'd kick his shiat In conventionally with a level of violence and swiftness not seen since Desert Storm.

Happening as it did only a few months after the dissolution of the USSR, Soviet leaders were able to watch with the rest of us on CNN as American aircraft flew through Baghdad's soviet-manufactured air defenses with utter impunity, and as American Abrams tanks shredded Soviet armor like it was tinsel paper.

In a prediction that aged like whole milk during an Arizona summer, some moron in February predicted that Russia's attack on Ukraine would be a "Sputnik moment." Operation Desert Storm, however, was a true Sputnik moment: It was the first time we'd seen Western arms in action, against an opponent with Soviet equipment, that seriously thought it could stand against them on a battlefield... and it was a wipeout the likes of which the world had never seen before. The Russian generals watching it were in uncomprehending disbelief at how far behind the Soviets had fallen, much like Gorbachev when he was casually shown a small town grocery store which put even what Party elites in Moscow could get to shame.

Well... We've been making 32 years of advances in precision munitions, targeting tracking, stealth and electronics. Desert Storm today would have begun with a thousand GPS-guided missiles fired from over the horizon destroying every piece of artillery Baghdad without them ever getting a chance to fire a shell. And Russia has spent 32 years being stolen blind by the oligarchs and Russian Hitler.

To say we would "kick his shiat in" doesn't even begin to describe it. And everyone knows it.

And we're sending Ukraine our old shiat, ...


This has been what I've explained to friends, as cynical as it sounds, the military industrial complex has been waiting for a "righteous" engagement since Ronnie drooled off into the sunset. This looks to be it.
 
2022-11-05 7:18:35 AM  
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2022-11-05 12:08:27 PM  
Udder Discharge: I believe if we keep agitating him he will outmaneuver Biden easily. And the Biden Admin is too weak to know how to respond.

My sofa could outmaneuver Biden
 
2022-11-05 3:30:56 PM  

Udder Discharge: Putin WILL use nukes,


I was going to write something demonstrating how wrong this was until...

I believe if we keep agitating him he will outmaneuver Biden easily. And the Biden Admin is too weak to know how to respond.

I saw this and realized you're just a farking moron.
 
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"Most likely our units, our soldiers, will leave for the left (eastern) bank," Kirill Stremousov, the Russian-installed deputy civilian administrator of the Kherson region, said in an interview on Thursday (3 November) with Solovyov Live, a pro-Kremlin online media outlet.
 
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