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(CNN)   Gym teachers should not be involved in students' menstrual cycles. Y'all remember what happened in Carrie, right?   (cnn.com) divider line
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2022-10-31 11:46:40 AM  
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There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.
 
2022-10-31 11:51:55 AM  

wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.


Please re-read the parts you highlighted, and then consider why allowing the SCHOOL DISTRICT in having this information could be problematic.
 
2022-10-31 11:52:06 AM  

wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.


Well, that's how it's supposed to work, according to those institutions. As the paragraph above that states, it's not always how it does work:

That some states may share the full physical and screening exam - including information about youth athletes' menstrual cycles - with school districts, state officials and third-party digital record-keeping companies is, to me, deeply worrisome. The strictures of the post-Dobbs world, the reality of today's tech world and the suggestive examples of other instances where these intersections have left women and girls vulnerable could put parents and doctors in an untenable position.
 
2022-10-31 11:59:50 AM  

raerae1980: wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.

Please re-read the parts you highlighted, and then consider why allowing the SCHOOL DISTRICT in having this information could be problematic.


I did. Did you?. The school district knows if you passed or failed your physical. Not your weight, your height, or your blood pressure. And not if your cycle is regular or even if it has started or stopped. Where's your objection?
 
2022-10-31 12:04:03 PM  

wademh: raerae1980: wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.

Please re-read the parts you highlighted, and then consider why allowing the SCHOOL DISTRICT in having this information could be problematic.

I did. Did you?. The school district knows if you passed or failed your physical. Not your weight, your height, or your blood pressure. And not if your cycle is regular or even if it has started or stopped. Where's your objection?


The part where females have to answer the questions only.  The part where that info gets shared.   That part....unless I'm reading this wrong, which could always be the case.....lol
 
2022-10-31 12:09:23 PM  

wademh: raerae1980: wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.

Please re-read the parts you highlighted, and then consider why allowing the SCHOOL DISTRICT in having this information could be problematic.

I did. Did you?. The school district knows if you passed or failed your physical. Not your weight, your height, or your blood pressure. And not if your cycle is regular or even if it has started or stopped. Where's your objection?


You are aware that most gym teachers should be in prison, yes?
 
2022-10-31 12:20:40 PM  

raerae1980: wademh: raerae1980: wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.

Please re-read the parts you highlighted, and then consider why allowing the SCHOOL DISTRICT in having this information could be problematic.

I did. Did you?. The school district knows if you passed or failed your physical. Not your weight, your height, or your blood pressure. And not if your cycle is regular or even if it has started or stopped. Where's your objection?

The part where females have to answer the questions only.  The part where that info gets shared.   That part....unless I'm reading this wrong, which could always be the case.....lol


Yes, the doctor asks the questions. The doctor might ask follow-up questions. but in the __Medical_Perspective__ I cite, the details (and forms) don't get shared. That's why I quoted it. The Medical Perspective should be followed. The doctor knows the details, passes judgement on if you can or cannot play competitive sports, the school knows if you passed or failed, the doctor keeps the detailed records. Doctors are supposed to have the security structure in place to keep your records safe (let's not get into that!). The school district doesn't. The school district also doesn't have the need or the right to private medical details.

Yes, apparently some schools are trying to get the underlying data. The Medical Perspective I cited says otherwise. Stick with the Medical Perspective.
 
2022-10-31 12:24:18 PM  

raerae1980: wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.

Please re-read the parts you highlighted, and then consider why allowing the SCHOOL DISTRICT in having this information could be problematic.


And nevermind the fact that teenage girls can have irregular periods.  It's very common.
 
2022-10-31 12:44:33 PM  
What. The. Fuck.
 
2022-10-31 12:46:08 PM  
Approves:

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2022-10-31 12:47:16 PM  
they're all going to laugh at you!
 
2022-10-31 12:48:01 PM  
As I recall, Carrie's received an ample supply of tampons, so what's wrong with that?
 
2022-10-31 12:48:51 PM  
Yet another example of why sports and schools shouldn't mix.
 
2022-10-31 12:50:01 PM  

wademh: raerae1980: wademh: raerae1980: wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.

Please re-read the parts you highlighted, and then consider why allowing the SCHOOL DISTRICT in having this information could be problematic.

I did. Did you?. The school district knows if you passed or failed your physical. Not your weight, your height, or your blood pressure. And not if your cycle is regular or even if it has started or stopped. Where's your objection?

The part where females have to answer the questions only.  The part where that info gets shared.   That part....unless I'm reading this wrong, which could always be the case.....lol

Yes, the doctor asks the questions. The doctor might ask follow-up questions. but in the __Medical_Perspective__ I cite, the details (and forms) don't get shared. That's why I quoted it. The Medical Perspective should be followed. The doctor knows the details, passes judgement on if you can or cannot play competitive sports, the school knows if you passed or failed, the doctor keeps the detailed records. Doctors are supposed to have the security structure in place to keep your records safe (let's not get into that!). The school district doesn't. The school district also doesn't have the need or the right to private medical details.

Yes, apparently some schools are trying to get the underlying data. The Medical Perspective I cited says otherwise. Stick with the Medical Perspective.


But what you cited.....it does get shared.   The part you highlighted where it discusesses restrictions (and what those might be).  I don't have a problem with a doctor giving a physical and then sharing their permission with a coach but you lose me when the whole school district needs to be in the know.  I mean.....is this normal?? I confess my ignorance, I don't have kids.   But no school official had to know if I got my period or not, this just seems weird.
 
2022-10-31 12:50:29 PM  
That's seriously farked up.
 
2022-10-31 12:50:30 PM  
Marcus Aurelius:
You are aware that most gym teachers should be in prison, yes?

Drop and give me 10 pushups Marcus.

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2022-10-31 12:51:41 PM  

raerae1980: wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.

Please re-read the parts you highlighted, and then consider why allowing the SCHOOL DISTRICT in having this information could be problematic.


What wademh highlighted is how it SHOULD work. Doctor, patient, end of story. What the article is pointing out is how what should be a doctor-patient thing is being weaponized by conservatives.
 
2022-10-31 12:53:41 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: raerae1980: wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.

Please re-read the parts you highlighted, and then consider why allowing the SCHOOL DISTRICT in having this information could be problematic.

And nevermind the fact that teenage girls can have irregular periods.  It's very common.


What? You mean that every woman's cycle is different and doesn't strictly follow the calendar? Unpossible! Numerous old white men who have been elected to office have assured me that every woman's cycle is the same and follow the same time frame.
 
2022-10-31 12:53:56 PM  

raerae1980: you lose me when the whole school district needs to be in the know.  I mean.....is this normal??


It isn't and it shouldn't be. Conservatives are trying to change that.
 
2022-10-31 12:55:17 PM  

Ophaelin: Marcus Aurelius:
You are aware that most gym teachers should be in prison, yes?

Drop and give me 10 pushups Marcus.

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I had a female gym teacher that quit to pursue a career in muscle fetish porn. I had another one that got booted out of middle school for getting too 'friendly' with the girls. Luckily he was transferred to the high school. So I'm sure that solved that. At least the girls he gave back rubs to where a little older. Another one was a simple drunk that plowed his pick-up through his ex wife's house. And that's just the shiat I know about.
 
2022-10-31 12:55:59 PM  
I guess the underlying point is that repressive states like Florida and Texas will hoover up any data they can, and then use that data to punish poors
 
2022-10-31 12:56:51 PM  

wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.


The key word there is "should". That is a guideline signed off on by various medical bodies and not the formal policies of specific parties involved and does not preclude sharing more information.
 
2022-10-31 12:57:08 PM  
'I am ok with added health officials, and even gym teachers examining my kid's genitals because it is a better option to me than some kid doing something Right Wing Media told me about. If it takes 500 extra gym teachers fingering my kid's orifices top prevent the world ending due to transomethingational failure I am ok with this!' -boot licking republican tools.
 
2022-10-31 12:57:17 PM  

grumpfuff: raerae1980: you lose me when the whole school district needs to be in the know.  I mean.....is this normal??

It isn't and it shouldn't be. Conservatives are trying to change that.


*nods*
Yeah....this is all sorts of farked up.  It's hard for me to wrap my mind around it, frankly.
 
2022-10-31 12:57:34 PM  

raerae1980: wademh: raerae1980: wademh: raerae1980: wademh: [ 

But what you cited.....it does get shared.   The part you highlighted where it discusesses restrictions (and what those might be).  I don't have a problem with a doctor giving a physical and then sharing their permission with a coach but you lose me when the whole school district needs to be in the know.  I mean.....is this normal?? I confess my ignorance, I don't have kids.   But no school official had to know if I got my period or not, this ju ...


You misread. From a medical perspective, the pre-participation forms, ... specify that only the final decision ... should be shared. The medical exam and the screening questions remain with the physician.


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Follow the medical perspective. This should end it. That's where it should end.
 
2022-10-31 12:57:45 PM  
Maybe we should consider locking women away during the "icky" time of the month.  Would that make everyone happy?
/Actually, it probably would
 
2022-10-31 12:58:32 PM  

raerae1980: wademh: raerae1980: wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.

Please re-read the parts you highlighted, and then consider why allowing the SCHOOL DISTRICT in having this information could be problematic.

I did. Did you?. The school district knows if you passed or failed your physical. Not your weight, your height, or your blood pressure. And not if your cycle is regular or even if it has started or stopped. Where's your objection?

The part where females have to answer the questions only.  The part where that info gets shared.   That part....unless I'm reading this wrong, which could always be the case.....lol


What? Wademh specifically pointed out that answers to the questions & any details the doctor has should not be shared with the district. And the article clearly says that all genders should go through an exam:

For kids of all genders to safely participate in competitive sports, a consortium of medical organizations have agreed on a standardized pre-sports physical screening and exam.

I think we're all in violent agreement. Details of a girl's (or any kid's) exam should never be shared with a school district.
 
2022-10-31 12:58:34 PM  

wademh: raerae1980: wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.

Please re-read the parts you highlighted, and then consider why allowing the SCHOOL DISTRICT in having this information could be problematic.

I did. Did you?. The school district knows if you passed or failed your physical. Not your weight, your height, or your blood pressure. And not if your cycle is regular or even if it has started or stopped. Where's your objection?


You mean aside from it being a witch-hunt for trans youth?
 
2022-10-31 12:58:57 PM  
Do you remember that time the female track coach, who was also our science teacher, started banging that kid on the track team, whose dad also taught woodshop, and then she came in with black eyes from her husband who was also our PE Coach which lead to our new amazing science teacher?

If you went to my highschool in the 80s you do!
 
2022-10-31 12:59:10 PM  
"Hello fellow parents I am not a pervert but it is very important that I know all about your kids genitals. Did you know there could be literally dozens of trans kids playing sports right now? That's why it is vital that all genital information of every stident be shared with me. And again, not a pervert."
 
2022-10-31 12:59:43 PM  

raerae1980: wademh: raerae1980: wademh: raerae1980: wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.

Please re-read the parts you highlighted, and then consider why allowing the SCHOOL DISTRICT in having this information could be problematic.

I did. Did you?. The school district knows if you passed or failed your physical. Not your weight, your height, or your blood pressure. And not if your cycle is regular or even if it has started or stopped. Where's your objection?

The part where females have to answer the questions only.  The part where that info gets shared.   That part....unless I'm reading this wrong, which could always be the case.....lol

Yes, the doctor asks the questions. The doctor might ask follow-up questions. but in the __Medical_Perspective__ I cite, the details (and forms) don't get shared. That's why I quoted it. The Medical Perspective should be followed. The doctor knows the details, passes judgement on if you can or cannot play competitive sports, the school knows if you passed or failed, the doctor keeps the detailed records. Doctors are supposed to have the security structure in place to keep your records safe (let's not get into that!). The school district doesn't. The school district also doesn't have the need or the right to private medical details.

Yes, apparently some schools are trying to get the underlying data. The Medical Perspective I cited says otherwise. Stick with the Medical Perspective.

But what you cited.....it does get shared.   The part you highlighted where it discusesses restrictions (and what those might be).  I don't have a problem with a doctor giving a physical and then sharing their permission with a coach but you lose me when the whole school district needs to be in the know.  I mean.....is this normal?? I confess my ignorance, I don't have kids.   But no school official had to know if I got my period or not, this ju ...


The district athletic office is going to need to know the restrictions since they hold any liability insurance and probably have to report these things upstream for funding purposes.
 
2022-10-31 1:00:57 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Maybe we should consider locking women away during the "icky" time of the month.  Would that make everyone happy?
/Actually, it probably would


Based on my knowledge of India, it very much does not.
 
2022-10-31 1:01:42 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Maybe we should consider locking women away during the "icky" time of the month.  Would that make everyone happy?
/Actually, it probably would


Probably something in the bible to justify that.
 
2022-10-31 1:02:11 PM  

wademh: raerae1980: wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.

Please re-read the parts you highlighted, and then consider why allowing the SCHOOL DISTRICT in having this information could be problematic.

I did. Did you?. The school district knows if you passed or failed your physical. Not your weight, your height, or your blood pressure. And not if your cycle is regular or even if it has started or stopped. Where's your objection?


This is from the form that I complete for the state of Missouri preparticipation physical form:

FEMALES ONLY                                                                                            Yes / No
29. Have you ever had a menstrual period?
30. How old were you when you had your first menstrual period?
31. When was your most recent menstrual period?
32. How many periods have you had in the past 12 months?


Link to PDF here.

I complete the form along with the questions that are completed by the student-athlete. That goes to the school. They keep it on file. Now, there are reasons these questions can be appropriate in a pre-participate examination. But now that some states are taking an interest in young women of reproductive years, it looks more than a bit more ominous. Considering what DeSantis is willing to do to appeal to the nutjobs in Florida and his interest in the Presidency, the potential use of this data in Florida is very concerning.
 
2022-10-31 1:02:11 PM  
Don't girls inform their gym teachers of menstrual cramps 4x per month to get out of gym class?
 
2022-10-31 1:02:12 PM  

Another Government Employee: The district athletic office is going to need to know the restrictions since they hold any liability insurance and probably have to report these things upstream for funding purposes.


That seems like a huge breach of privacy, tho.
 
2022-10-31 1:02:35 PM  
This is why it's so important for self-identified liberals not to have "concerns" about trans girls playing sports. Because that's the chink in the armor that fascists need to erode our rights. This is exactly where that "concern" leads.
 
2022-10-31 1:05:00 PM  

wademh: raerae1980: wademh: raerae1980: wademh: raerae1980: wademh: [ 

But what you cited.....it does get shared.   The part you highlighted where it discusesses restrictions (and what those might be).  I don't have a problem with a doctor giving a physical and then sharing their permission with a coach but you lose me when the whole school district needs to be in the know.  I mean.....is this normal?? I confess my ignorance, I don't have kids.   But no school official had to know if I got my period or not, this ju ...

You misread. From a medical perspective, the pre-participation forms, ... specify that only the final decision ... should be shared. The medical exam and the screening questions remain with the physician.


[Fark user image 850x175]

Follow the medical perspective. This should end it. That's where it should end.


Narrator: But it didn't end there...
 
2022-10-31 1:05:28 PM  
What? We've had mandatory Penis Inspection Day for years now. This is equality, people.

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2022-10-31 1:06:31 PM  

raerae1980: Another Government Employee: The district athletic office is going to need to know the restrictions since they hold any liability insurance and probably have to report these things upstream for funding purposes.

That seems like a huge breach of privacy, tho.


It should simply state what sports they are approved to participate in and what restrictions on participation apply. It is a loss of some privacy you accept in order to participate in competitive athletics.

Anything more than that (even the medical reason for a restriction) should be a big problem.
 
2022-10-31 1:06:43 PM  
as a rule of thumb the ONLY people who MIGHT need information on a child's body are the parents and the child's doctor.

If ANY information is getting to the school system beyond "child is healthy enough for X" then the entire system  needs to be burned to the ground and salted.

/exception for life saving care for medical conditions
 
2022-10-31 1:07:02 PM  
Yeah, subby. Seen both versions and read the book. That's how I know that the issue with her period wasn't really between her and the gym teacher, it['s the rest of the girls that were the problem, the teacher just wasn't sympathetic, it's the other girls that were the problem, completely different than this scenario.
 
2022-10-31 1:08:12 PM  

Murkanen: wademh: raerae1980: wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.

Please re-read the parts you highlighted, and then consider why allowing the SCHOOL DISTRICT in having this information could be problematic.

I did. Did you?. The school district knows if you passed or failed your physical. Not your weight, your height, or your blood pressure. And not if your cycle is regular or even if it has started or stopped. Where's your objection?

You mean aside from it being a witch-hunt for trans youth?


A witch hunt is a bit like stalking? right Stalker?

And no, it's not a trans witch hunt, effectively the same exams have been used for 50+ years.
If anything, there's generally more privacy today than there was 20 years ago. Just ask Gym.

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2022-10-31 1:08:50 PM  
Should is doing an awful lot of lifting in this thread.
 
2022-10-31 1:08:53 PM  

raerae1980: Another Government Employee: The district athletic office is going to need to know the restrictions since they hold any liability insurance and probably have to report these things upstream for funding purposes.

That seems like a huge breach of privacy, tho.


That's why every medical association involved in developing the questionnaire has said that only a "yes/no" answer should be given to the school/district. Divulging any other information is a violation of HIPAA. The laws in question not only require a violation of the privacy rights under HIPAA, they don't provide a safe harbor for anybody who gives the information to the district.

It's literally "which law are you going to violate?" situation for the clinician who examines the kid.
 
2022-10-31 1:13:33 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: wademh: raerae1980: wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.

Please re-read the parts you highlighted, and then consider why allowing the SCHOOL DISTRICT in having this information could be problematic.

I did. Did you?. The school district knows if you passed or failed your physical. Not your weight, your height, or your blood pressure. And not if your cycle is regular or even if it has started or stopped. Where's your objection?

You are aware that most gym teachers should be in prison, yes?


"Whoa.  Let's not get too hasty here!"
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2022-10-31 1:16:01 PM  

bumfuzzled: raerae1980: Another Government Employee: The district athletic office is going to need to know the restrictions since they hold any liability insurance and probably have to report these things upstream for funding purposes.

That seems like a huge breach of privacy, tho.

That's why every medical association involved in developing the questionnaire has said that only a "yes/no" answer should be given to the school/district. Divulging any other information is a violation of HIPAA. The laws in question not only require a violation of the privacy rights under HIPAA, they don't provide a safe harbor for anybody who gives the information to the district.

It's literally "which law are you going to violate?" situation for the clinician who examines the kid.


Presumably the forms they sign to get the physical and/or join the team authorizes the release of information to the school. A doctor can share your medical information with anyone, so long as they have your permission to do so.
 
2022-10-31 1:17:43 PM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: What? We've had mandatory Penis Inspection Day for years now. This is equality, people.

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My Dad regularly had this happen when he was in the Army for National Service (no wars during his time thank goodness).

He called it "the short arm parade."
 
2022-10-31 1:18:47 PM  
From reading the highlighted section that wademh provided the most that should be provided is something to akin to, "Suzie Smith is cleared to participate in volleyball this year. She must wear a knee brace when playing."

If a doctor does share medical information to the school, wouldn't that violate HIPAA laws? That would put the doctor at risk of hefty civil penalties, not to mention potential criminal charges.
 
2022-10-31 1:20:19 PM  

wademh: [Fark user image 850x175]

There you go. Only the final result gets shared. You pass the physical, you can compete. No more information to be shared.


Good thing that stuff never changes then right? Since it's now only the final result, nobody will ever change that. Dodged a bullet there!
 
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