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(Forbes)   Andrei, you've lost another flagship?   (forbes.com) divider line
    More: Facepalm, Ukraine, Crimea, Ukrainian navy, Russian navy frigate Admiral Makarov, Russia, Sevastopol, sister ship Admiral Essen, Ukrainian government  
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2022-10-29 10:39:04 PM  
We've had one, yes.  But what about Second Flagship?
 
2022-10-29 10:50:19 PM  
Womp-womps gonna waaaah...
 
2022-10-29 11:23:48 PM  
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2022-10-30 12:45:39 AM  
 
2022-10-30 1:12:43 AM  
If you zoom in to the bridge, you can see the person in charge of the fleet in conversation with an underling. I wonder what they were talking about.

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2022-10-30 1:17:56 AM  
This calls for 100 grams of the finest horilka In memory of


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2022-10-30 1:18:41 AM  
That's a premium ship in WOWs.... nice job!
 
2022-10-30 1:19:02 AM  
Probably trying to regroup with the Moskva....
 
2022-10-30 1:23:06 AM  
Being a Russian flagship is getting to be the same sort of honor as being an al Qaeda #2.
 
2022-10-30 1:23:34 AM  
Putin can now claim Russia leads the world in creating artificial reefs.
 
2022-10-30 1:23:51 AM  
In the best case, her crew blew up the drone boat before the drone boat blew up them. In the worst case, Makarov or Essen suffered the kind of waterline damage that quickly can sink a ship.

The author mixed up the best/worst cases.
 
2022-10-30 1:25:03 AM  
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2022-10-30 1:25:43 AM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: If you zoom in to the bridge, you can see the person in charge of the fleet in conversation with an underling. I wonder what they were talking about.

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" In our moment of triumph??  I think you over estimate their chances!"
 
2022-10-30 1:28:46 AM  
I believe the correct nomenclature is: "Promoted to submarine", Subby.

iheartscotch: Probably trying to regroup with the Moskva....


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2022-10-30 1:31:08 AM  
Eez plainned syubmyarine kunvigin!
 
2022-10-30 1:33:18 AM  
Since my dad was in the USN serving in the Mediterranean in the 1960s, I have a certain sadness and reverence for any naval loss, whether enemy or friendly.

Having said that, I'm glad Ukraine scored some damage here, crippling the Black Sea fleet is critical to victory. It's Putin's fault these ships are lost.

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2022-10-30 1:37:01 AM  
From the Youtube coverage I've seen, one of the targets may have been a submarine docked in port. Unfortunately, it looks like that drone didn't achieve its aims. That would have been sweet, given that subs sre one of the platforms Russia has been using to launch the cruise missiles that have attacked western Ukraine.

Another Youtuber was claiming that Turkey (home of the Bayraktar drones) furnished the maritime drones used in this attack. Would be interesting if true.
 
2022-10-30 1:40:26 AM  
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2022-10-30 1:43:30 AM  

make me some tea: Since my dad was in the USN serving in the Mediterranean in the 1960s, I have a certain sadness and reverence for any naval loss, whether enemy or friendly.

Having said that, I'm glad Ukraine scored some damage here, crippling the Black Sea fleet is critical to victory. It's Putin's fault these ships are lost.

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There's something a little more  tragic about loss of life when it's a sunken ship or a downed plane.
When there is an external requirement for life that can be removed and then the crew being in imminent
peril of nature. Unlike ground troops, there is not running away from the danger, it's going from one
bad situation, to a a second bad situation instantly..At least that has been acknowledged in the Geneva
Conventions..Parachutists aren't to be targeted and sailors are supposed to be picked up (at convenience)
or at least a message sent to let the other side know they have people in the water..A courtesy code of
gentlemanly (or gentelady) chivalry exists, and that's at least something most of the world can agree upon.
 
2022-10-30 1:43:48 AM  
Losing a naval battle.

Against a nation without a navy.

While at anchor in port.


The Russian Navy will be talked about in war colleges around the world for decades to come. Most of the lessons' video material will have either Yakety Sax or CBAT as the background music.
 
2022-10-30 1:46:44 AM  
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2022-10-30 1:53:36 AM  
The fleet is not failing.

It is just being visited by the ghost of the 2nd Pacific Squadron.
 
2022-10-30 1:53:57 AM  

King Something: Losing a naval battle.

Against a nation without a navy.

While at anchor in port.


The Russian Navy will be talked about in war colleges around the world for decades to come. Most of the lessons' video material will have either Yakety Sax or CBAT as the background music.


One thing this war has revealed is the vulnerability of expensive modern war machines to low-cost, high-precision weapons. We've kind of suspected it for a while, but now with all the practical examples from this war, we've been seized by the lapels. There's going to be a lot of rethinking going on in militaries around the world in coming years.
 
2022-10-30 1:57:26 AM  
Well, that sure is a shame.

I mean, some fuel probably leaked into the sea, which can't be great for the aquatic wildlife.

Shame, that.
 
2022-10-30 1:58:10 AM  
"There aren't yet any photos or videos circulating online that can confirm whether the frigate suffered any damage."

We've been waiting all day to know if she had been sunk, now we have an article saying they don't know?
 
2022-10-30 1:58:34 AM  
Just now I'm on Psych S1E13 and it starts with a flashback where Shawn is playing Battleship with all his ships off the board. It's the Ukrainian angle. If you can't put out a fleet, start an onshore campaign with guided weapons. BattleToads with 15" cannons are almost a century out of date.
 
2022-10-30 1:58:34 AM  

jjorsett: King Something: Losing a naval battle.

Against a nation without a navy.

While at anchor in port.


The Russian Navy will be talked about in war colleges around the world for decades to come. Most of the lessons' video material will have either Yakety Sax or CBAT as the background music.

One thing this war has revealed is the vulnerability of expensive modern war machines to low-cost, high-precision weapons. We've kind of suspected it for a while, but now with all the practical examples from this war, we've been seized by the lapels. There's going to be a lot of rethinking going on in militaries around the world in coming years.


The economics of war have been shifting away from reliance on expensive weapons systems when the irregular and decentralized opposition in modern wars can destroy them with very inexpensive weapons.  It's hoping a $20 rifle or cheaper RPG does not hit the tens of millions of dollars plane.
 
2022-10-30 1:59:46 AM  
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2022-10-30 2:00:02 AM  

jjorsett: From the Youtube coverage I've seen, one of the targets may have been a submarine docked in port. Unfortunately, it looks like that drone didn't achieve its aims. That would have been sweet, given that subs sre one of the platforms Russia has been using to launch the cruise missiles that have attacked western Ukraine.

Another Youtuber was claiming that Turkey (home of the Bayraktar drones) furnished the maritime drones used in this attack. Would be interesting if true.


Those subs are protected by these ships.
Picking apart these ships reduces their protection.

It also opens up Sevastopol to attacks directly.
 
2022-10-30 2:02:21 AM  
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2022-10-30 2:09:04 AM  
Probably unmanned Iranian suicide boats.
Should be investigated
 
2022-10-30 2:15:29 AM  

jjorsett: King Something: Losing a naval battle.

Against a nation without a navy.

While at anchor in port.


The Russian Navy will be talked about in war colleges around the world for decades to come. Most of the lessons' video material will have either Yakety Sax or CBAT as the background music.

One thing this war has revealed is the vulnerability of expensive modern war machines to low-cost, high-precision weapons. We've kind of suspected it for a while, but now with all the practical examples from this war, we've been seized by the lapels. There's going to be a lot of rethinking going on in militaries around the world in coming years.


The fact that they weren't battle ready... In a war and didn't have their CIWS ready to go is a failure of their navy more than a failure of ships.

Don't get me wrong, ships are giant floating targets and ours are super vulnerable to hypersonic weapons amongst others, but this is a complete failure in their command.

I've seen those CIWS that the USN has converted to land based protection systems (Phalanx C-RAM) take out man portable mortar rounds.

I'm talking about 82mm mortar rounds here.

And they're completely automatic.

American football is 711mm.

So that's a 3" round coming that's picked up by radar and knocked out of the sky.

Russia supposedly has that same capability.

If that is the case these shouldn't have even been a threat.

This is what happens when you have the majority of your ships staffed with conscripts on 1 year service contracts.  You don't have time to properly train them or even have them get comfortable with the systems or the ship before they're out.
 
2022-10-30 2:17:16 AM  

Amoment: Probably unmanned Iranian suicide boats.
Should be investigated


When you don't care about your forces all boats are unmanned.
 
2022-10-30 2:21:48 AM  

jjorsett: King Something: Losing a naval battle.

Against a nation without a navy.

While at anchor in port.


The Russian Navy will be talked about in war colleges around the world for decades to come. Most of the lessons' video material will have either Yakety Sax or CBAT as the background music.

One thing this war has revealed is the vulnerability of expensive modern war machines to low-cost, high-precision weapons. We've kind of suspected it for a while, but now with all the practical examples from this war, we've been seized by the lapels. There's going to be a lot of rethinking going on in militaries around the world in coming years.


Yeah, I think we'll see CIWS type emplacements grow on the deck of battleships like 20mm emplacements did during WW2.
 
2022-10-30 2:24:36 AM  

dkulprit: Amoment: Probably unmanned Iranian suicide boats.
Should be investigated

When you don't care about your forces all boats are unmanned.


And probably unmanned by now...
 
2022-10-30 2:27:32 AM  

Xcott: We've had one, yes.  But what about Second Flagship?


Don't words have meanings anymore?


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Does anyone remember laugher?
 
2022-10-30 2:30:52 AM  

robodog: jjorsett: King Something: Losing a naval battle.

Against a nation without a navy.

While at anchor in port.


The Russian Navy will be talked about in war colleges around the world for decades to come. Most of the lessons' video material will have either Yakety Sax or CBAT as the background music.

One thing this war has revealed is the vulnerability of expensive modern war machines to low-cost, high-precision weapons. We've kind of suspected it for a while, but now with all the practical examples from this war, we've been seized by the lapels. There's going to be a lot of rethinking going on in militaries around the world in coming years.

Yeah, I think we'll see CIWS type emplacements grow on the deck of battleships like 20mm emplacements did during WW2.


What would be AWESOME is to have a track that goes around the ship with little domed R2D2 CWIS
that can position themselves to repel attacks as radar picks them up..Maybe some with gatling guns,
and some with small rockets depending on target...Bringing a new era to the term Gun-rail on ships..
 
2022-10-30 2:34:42 AM  

make me some tea: Holy shiat
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1586363908071489536

We

may not know the extent of the damage, but I almost guarantee you that if Zelensky's commanders weren't watching the NRO's satellite video feed live, they received a copy from us before they'd finished high-fiving the drone operators.

Everyone who needs to know knows what was damaged and what was sunk.

The US once conducted a wargame regarding a fight with Iran... The commander assigned to play Iran realized, obviously, that he had no chance of winning a conventional attack against the Nimitz, so he bum rushed it with suicide bomb boats. He won because the simulation found the Nimitz would've sank. That was something like 15 years ago. Everyone watching was stunned because the whole point was to demonstrate that our carrier groups were invincible, even around the Strait of Hormuz.
 
2022-10-30 2:35:08 AM  
Famous Russian Naval Victories = Famous Jewish Athletes
 
2022-10-30 2:36:12 AM  

jjorsett: King Something: Losing a naval battle.

Against a nation without a navy.

While at anchor in port.


The Russian Navy will be talked about in war colleges around the world for decades to come. Most of the lessons' video material will have either Yakety Sax or CBAT as the background music.

One thing this war has revealed is the vulnerability of expensive modern war machines to low-cost, high-precision weapons. We've kind of suspected it for a while, but now with all the practical examples from this war, we've been seized by the lapels. There's going to be a lot of rethinking going on in militaries around the world in coming years.


Indeed, we are watching the evolution of 21st century combat realtime. It's fascinating, and a bit terrifying.

Decades from now, those of us who are left alive will be reading about this period as another turning point.
 
2022-10-30 2:39:26 AM  

erik-k: make me some tea: Holy shiat
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1586363908071489536

We may not know the extent of the damage, but I almost guarantee you that if Zelensky's commanders weren't watching the NRO's satellite video feed live, they received a copy from us before they'd finished high-fiving the drone operators.

Everyone who needs to know knows what was damaged and what was sunk.

The US once conducted a wargame regarding a fight with Iran... The commander assigned to play Iran realized, obviously, that he had no chance of winning a conventional attack against the Nimitz, so he bum rushed it with suicide bomb boats. He won because the simulation found the Nimitz would've sank. That was something like 15 years ago. Everyone watching was stunned because the whole point was to demonstrate that our carrier groups were invincible, even around the Strait of Hormuz.


Yep, I hope the USN has already developed a plan to adapt our fleets to counter against USV attacks, this is a game changer for the big ships and every defense force worth their salt is acquiring them right now.
 
2022-10-30 2:41:55 AM  

Amoment: Probably unmanned Iranian suicide boats.
Should be investigated


Underated comment.  We had war games many years ago that predicted this.
 
2022-10-30 3:06:44 AM  

make me some tea: erik-k: make me some tea: Holy shiat
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1586363908071489536

We may not know the extent of the damage, but I almost guarantee you that if Zelensky's commanders weren't watching the NRO's satellite video feed live, they received a copy from us before they'd finished high-fiving the drone operators.

Everyone who needs to know knows what was damaged and what was sunk.

The US once conducted a wargame regarding a fight with Iran... The commander assigned to play Iran realized, obviously, that he had no chance of winning a conventional attack against the Nimitz, so he bum rushed it with suicide bomb boats. He won because the simulation found the Nimitz would've sank. That was something like 15 years ago. Everyone watching was stunned because the whole point was to demonstrate that our carrier groups were invincible, even around the Strait of Hormuz.

Yep, I hope the USN has already developed a plan to adapt our fleets to counter against USV attacks, this is a game changer for the big ships and every defense force worth their salt is acquiring them right now.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

We're pretty terrible at lessons learned but sometimes we get a good general/flag officer in place to make meaningful changes. Guess we'll see.
 
2022-10-30 3:08:50 AM  

dkulprit: American football is 711mm.


wat
 
2022-10-30 3:18:45 AM  

studebaker hoch: dkulprit: American football is 711mm.

wat


What, you've never seen a 28" football?
 
2022-10-30 3:26:32 AM  

C18H27NO3: studebaker hoch: dkulprit: American football is 711mm.

wat

What, you've never seen a 28" football?


The measurement is on the long axis - it's an awfully weird example but it's not factually incorrect

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2022-10-30 3:46:45 AM  
If I was a captain, I would turn down the "honour" of having that flag.  Also did some divers go get it from the last one?
 
2022-10-30 3:49:51 AM  
I'm starting to think this may not be going to plan as much as Putin keeps insisting......
 
2022-10-30 3:59:07 AM  

senorjuanton: jjorsett: King Something: Losing a naval battle.

Against a nation without a navy.

While at anchor in port.


The Russian Navy will be talked about in war colleges around the world for decades to come. Most of the lessons' video material will have either Yakety Sax or CBAT as the background music.

One thing this war has revealed is the vulnerability of expensive modern war machines to low-cost, high-precision weapons. We've kind of suspected it for a while, but now with all the practical examples from this war, we've been seized by the lapels. There's going to be a lot of rethinking going on in militaries around the world in coming years.

The economics of war have been shifting away from reliance on expensive weapons systems when the irregular and decentralized opposition in modern wars can destroy them with very inexpensive weapons.  It's hoping a $20 rifle or cheaper RPG does not hit the tens of millions of dollars plane.


That's got to piss off the military industrial complex. They make their money on big, complex, expensive shiat.
 
2022-10-30 4:05:31 AM  
The Black Sea Fleet was poised to attempt an amphibious landing around Odesa. Capturing the port would complete Russia's conquest of Ukraine's Black Sea coast and cut off the country from the sea, permanently strangling its economy.

/NO REGERTS
//like, permanently?
 
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