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(Guardian)   TV IS big, it's the movie picture theatres that got small (and loud, and overpriced, and full of chatty rude yahoos on their phones)   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2022-10-28 11:17:23 AM  
At 10-15 hours per season, 3 to 10 seasons per "hit" series, there's so much more time for character development on TV than movie theaters could ever offer.

Unsurprisingly, the bulk of theater offerings is comic book stories driven by loud, bright CGI, with a sprinkling of one-line quips from the most beautiful models in Hollywood. No story, acting not required. Great for selling popcorn.
 
2022-10-28 12:05:45 PM  
Shows like House and The Sopranos lead the way for your Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and Game of Thrones. Writers realized they could tell these long form stories and really flesh out characters in subtle, more realistic ways, and tell more compelling stories than they used to, and if it's good, viewers will stick around.

Streaming also definitely helped, as did modern tv setups being as advanced as they are.

Also, actors realized the money is solid and reliable, and get to sink their teeth into some fun characters, where as TV acting used to have a bit of a stigma to it. George Clooney did a podcast recently where he said studios refused him for movies early in his career because he was on E.R.
 
2022-10-28 12:28:51 PM  

beezeltown: At 10-15 hours per season, 3 to 10 seasons per "hit" series, there's so much more time for character development on TV than movie theaters could ever offer.

Unsurprisingly, the bulk of theater offerings is comic book stories driven by loud, bright CGI, with a sprinkling of one-line quips from the most beautiful models in Hollywood. No story, acting not required. Great for selling popcorn.


We were just discussing this - a 90-120 minute movie is not enough time for good character development.  On top of that, the structure of films is so nailed down at this point, there's just not much interest in seeing it rehashed yet again.

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2022-10-28 12:56:07 PM  

beezeltown: At 10-15 hours per season, 3 to 10 seasons per "hit" series, there's so much more time for character development on TV than movie theaters could ever offer.

Unsurprisingly, the bulk of theater offerings is comic book stories driven by loud, bright CGI, with a sprinkling of one-line quips from the most beautiful models in Hollywood. No story, acting not required. Great for selling popcorn.


The bulk of movies in theaters is far from superhero movies. I get what you're saying, but please, use facts.
 
2022-10-28 1:14:29 PM  

Gnaglor: beezeltown: At 10-15 hours per season, 3 to 10 seasons per "hit" series, there's so much more time for character development on TV than movie theaters could ever offer.

Unsurprisingly, the bulk of theater offerings is comic book stories driven by loud, bright CGI, with a sprinkling of one-line quips from the most beautiful models in Hollywood. No story, acting not required. Great for selling popcorn.

The bulk of movies in theaters is far from superhero movies. I get what you're saying, but please, use facts.


AHK-CHEW-A-LEE.
 
2022-10-28 1:15:39 PM  
Wow, submitter really went full cliché.

I live in farking Philadelphia and the "problem" of people talking loudly and being on their phones in the theater doesn't even exist here.

Overpriced, you may have an argument, but a ticket is still no more than 2 beers at the local watering hole. People in my social circle still love going to the theater. It's a great experience and it's a nice distinction from watching stuff at home.
 
2022-10-28 1:18:16 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: Wow, submitter really went full cliché.

I live in farking Philadelphia and the "problem" of people talking loudly and being on their phones in the theater doesn't even exist here.

Overpriced, you may have an argument, but a ticket is still no more than 2 beers at the local watering hole. People in my social circle still love going to the theater. It's a great experience and it's a nice distinction from watching stuff at home.


Counterpoint, the seats are less comfortable, the snacks are overpriced, the tickets for a family of four+ aren't worth the upcharge over a a rental. The experience is entirely dependent on who is in the theater with you, etc. etc. etc.

I can't believe that quarantine didn't bring an end to regular movie theaters. Like why even go through all that!?
 
2022-10-28 1:25:03 PM  
Five years ago I wouldn't have believed that the Me of today would be ok with movie theaters being dead.  Now it just seems like a lot of effort to go, and there are fewer and fewer movies that justify it.
 
2022-10-28 1:35:00 PM  
I only go to revivals now, and that's because I'm in the L.A. area so there are a ton. If I still lived up north I doubt I'd have been to a theater in 10 or 15 years. Avengers was the last non revival I've seen on the big screen and I hadn't been going regularly for a few years before that.
 
2022-10-28 1:44:36 PM  
TVs can be huge.


Frank's 2000" TV
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In reality, I have a couple of very good TVs.  One with really good sound, but I don't have a space where I could do an actual home theater.  So for films with epic visuals, I'm gonna be in the theaters.
 
2022-10-28 1:46:46 PM  
It has?
 
2022-10-28 1:49:35 PM  

Mangoose: Eddie Hazel's E string: Wow, submitter really went full cliché.

I live in farking Philadelphia and the "problem" of people talking loudly and being on their phones in the theater doesn't even exist here.

Overpriced, you may have an argument, but a ticket is still no more than 2 beers at the local watering hole. People in my social circle still love going to the theater. It's a great experience and it's a nice distinction from watching stuff at home.

Counterpoint, the seats are less comfortable, the snacks are overpriced, the tickets for a family of four+ aren't worth the upcharge over a a rental. The experience is entirely dependent on who is in the theater with you, etc. etc. etc.

I can't believe that quarantine didn't bring an end to regular movie theaters. Like why even go through all that!?


Not sure where you go to the theater, but near me are 2 that both have those comfy ass reclining seats.
We smuggle in our own water but do buy the large tub of popcorn.  Also bring gallon ziplock bags so we all get our own cut of the popcorn without reaching over each other.
the tub also gets 1 free refill but we usually get that on the way out and take home.

I prefer to watch most everything at home, but the theater is great for sci-fi or those comic book cgi fests.  plus I dont like the internet spoiling shiat for me, so try to see those around when they are released.

I also second the "I have never seen someone on the phone or talking constantly in a movie theater"
 
2022-10-28 1:55:07 PM  

Izunbacol: beezeltown: At 10-15 hours per season, 3 to 10 seasons per "hit" series, there's so much more time for character development on TV than movie theaters could ever offer.

Unsurprisingly, the bulk of theater offerings is comic book stories driven by loud, bright CGI, with a sprinkling of one-line quips from the most beautiful models in Hollywood. No story, acting not required. Great for selling popcorn.

We were just discussing this - a 90-120 minute movie is not enough time for good character development.  On top of that, the structure of films is so nailed down at this point, there's just not much interest in seeing it rehashed yet again.

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The opposite side of that coin is other directors have more than enought time. And have done so for practically a century now.

The third side of that coin is streaming isn't T.V. anymore. You don't have 24 episodes, you have 10. And a lot of seasonal plots are just a movie stretched over 6 hours instead of 2. The "filler" episodes do a lot of heavy lifting for character development AND giving actors time in a role to feel out their character. They generally don't exist at 10 episodes.

All of the downsides are writing. Expanse? Amazing. Obi-Wan? So much boring.

Indiana Jones? Great. Signs? Goes on forever.

Pacing isn't easy, and you can have a lot of book perfect movies or shows that are not good when it is finished.
 
2022-10-28 2:00:43 PM  

Derek Force: Mangoose: Eddie Hazel's E string: Wow, submitter really went full cliché.

I live in farking Philadelphia and the "problem" of people talking loudly and being on their phones in the theater doesn't even exist here.

Overpriced, you may have an argument, but a ticket is still no more than 2 beers at the local watering hole. People in my social circle still love going to the theater. It's a great experience and it's a nice distinction from watching stuff at home.

Counterpoint, the seats are less comfortable, the snacks are overpriced, the tickets for a family of four+ aren't worth the upcharge over a a rental. The experience is entirely dependent on who is in the theater with you, etc. etc. etc.

I can't believe that quarantine didn't bring an end to regular movie theaters. Like why even go through all that!?

Not sure where you go to the theater, but near me are 2 that both have those comfy ass reclining seats.
We smuggle in our own water but do buy the large tub of popcorn.  Also bring gallon ziplock bags so we all get our own cut of the popcorn without reaching over each other.
the tub also gets 1 free refill but we usually get that on the way out and take home.

I prefer to watch most everything at home, but the theater is great for sci-fi or those comic book cgi fests.  plus I dont like the internet spoiling shiat for me, so try to see those around when they are released.

I also second the "I have never seen someone on the phone or talking constantly in a movie theater"


LOL, I took the wife to a musical at The Pantages and the 3 people to my immediatre right never put there phones away for the entire performance. Ushers didn't do shiat. I didn't care because I had ear buds in anyway, but it sure seemed like there were a decent amount of people there just to be there, with no interest in the show. I was one of them, I just don't carry a phone. I'd 100% have read a book though if there was enough light.
 
2022-10-28 2:13:23 PM  

Mangoose: Eddie Hazel's E string: Wow, submitter really went full cliché.

I live in farking Philadelphia and the "problem" of people talking loudly and being on their phones in the theater doesn't even exist here.

Overpriced, you may have an argument, but a ticket is still no more than 2 beers at the local watering hole. People in my social circle still love going to the theater. It's a great experience and it's a nice distinction from watching stuff at home.

Counterpoint, the seats are less comfortable, the snacks are overpriced, the tickets for a family of four+ aren't worth the upcharge over a a rental. The experience is entirely dependent on who is in the theater with you, etc. etc. etc.

I can't believe that quarantine didn't bring an end to regular movie theaters. Like why even go through all that!?


You forgot the AC is set so cold that half way through the movie you're wishing you'd brought your winter coat.
 
2022-10-28 2:48:56 PM  
I think reports of consistently bad cinema experiences are:
a)  extremely location-centric
b)  often exaggerated by high-maintenance types who will take issue with any setting other than their living room

Will always still enjoy the cinema experience for the occasional big spectacle like Dune, the odd art-house limited release, and a random retro offering now and then.  Especially when theatres show old classics that you never got to see in the theatre originally.  Saw The Thing with a buddy last weekend for a late show.  Good audience, fun atmosphere.
 
2022-10-28 2:55:34 PM  

Gnaglor: beezeltown: At 10-15 hours per season, 3 to 10 seasons per "hit" series, there's so much more time for character development on TV than movie theaters could ever offer.

Unsurprisingly, the bulk of theater offerings is comic book stories driven by loud, bright CGI, with a sprinkling of one-line quips from the most beautiful models in Hollywood. No story, acting not required. Great for selling popcorn.

The bulk of movies in theaters is far from superhero movies. I get what you're saying, but please, use facts.


Yeah, not all superheroes, but a whole lot of CGI, animation, and painfully thin "horror" films. All geared for ages 12-24 or so. Not every release, obviously, but the majority. (https://m.imdb.com/list/ls538892389/ list of 2022 releases, so far)
 
2022-10-28 2:58:28 PM  

frestcrallen: I think reports of consistently bad cinema experiences are:
a)  extremely location-centric
b)  often exaggerated by high-maintenance types who will take issue with any setting other than their living room

Will always still enjoy the cinema experience for the occasional big spectacle like Dune, the odd art-house limited release, and a random retro offering now and then.  Especially when theatres show old classics that you never got to see in the theatre originally.  Saw The Thing with a buddy last weekend for a late show.  Good audience, fun atmosphere.


You, I like you.
 
2022-10-28 3:02:16 PM  
There's no better experience than going to a small, slightly-seedy theatre, getting some reasonably priced popcorn, and watching a classic movie (I'm partial to noir).
 
2022-10-28 3:12:05 PM  

WhippingBoi: There's no better experience than going to a small, slightly-seedy theatre, getting some reasonably priced popcorn, and watching a classic movie (I'm partial to noir).


Agree...love our local "art house" theater. I can live without the big, sticky, loud megaplexes...just my preference, of course.
 
2022-10-28 3:19:57 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Mangoose: Eddie Hazel's E string: Wow, submitter really went full cliché.

I live in farking Philadelphia and the "problem" of people talking loudly and being on their phones in the theater doesn't even exist here.

Overpriced, you may have an argument, but a ticket is still no more than 2 beers at the local watering hole. People in my social circle still love going to the theater. It's a great experience and it's a nice distinction from watching stuff at home.

Counterpoint, the seats are less comfortable, the snacks are overpriced, the tickets for a family of four+ aren't worth the upcharge over a a rental. The experience is entirely dependent on who is in the theater with you, etc. etc. etc.

I can't believe that quarantine didn't bring an end to regular movie theaters. Like why even go through all that!?

You forgot the AC is set so cold that half way through the movie you're wishing you'd brought your winter coat.


You sound menopausal
 
2022-10-28 4:02:44 PM  
Once again subby, maybe you should stop going to the dollar theater if you are going to biatch. Because I haven't had these issues at a movie theater in decades. You ever think that the common denominator is maybe YOU?
 
2022-10-28 4:05:12 PM  

Mangoose: Eddie Hazel's E string: Wow, submitter really went full cliché.

I live in farking Philadelphia and the "problem" of people talking loudly and being on their phones in the theater doesn't even exist here.

Overpriced, you may have an argument, but a ticket is still no more than 2 beers at the local watering hole. People in my social circle still love going to the theater. It's a great experience and it's a nice distinction from watching stuff at home.

Counterpoint, the seats are less comfortable, the snacks are overpriced, the tickets for a family of four+ aren't worth the upcharge over a a rental. The experience is entirely dependent on who is in the theater with you, etc. etc. etc.

I can't believe that quarantine didn't bring an end to regular movie theaters. Like why even go through all that!?


No, the seats are fine. Once again, try a theater that was built o remodeled at some point in the last 20 years. We have stadium seating in all of our theaters here that don't have recliners, and we have one Chan that has nothing BUT the recliners. The other chain is about 50/50.
 
2022-10-28 4:08:17 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: Wow, submitter really went full cliché.

I live in farking Philadelphia and the "problem" of people talking loudly and being on their phones in the theater doesn't even exist here.

Overpriced, you may have an argument, but a ticket is still no more than 2 beers at the local watering hole. People in my social circle still love going to the theater. It's a great experience and it's a nice distinction from watching stuff at home.


People don't actually understand the difference here.

In a theater, there's no pause. No stopping because you remembered that you wanted to tell the wife something, no stopping to answer the phone, check out the internet, etc. The movie plays. And you have to plan trips to the restroom or snack bar accordingly.

Also, nobody's house is as dark as a theater, and despite claims to the contrary, the sound system in Joe SixPack's house is not the equivalent of a theater.

Watch it at home, you're watching something. Watch it inthe theater, and you're actually IN it.
 
2022-10-28 4:29:17 PM  
the sound system in Joe SixPack's house is not the equivalent of a theater.

Depends. I have these in the garage:

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2022-10-28 4:51:43 PM  

drewogatory: the sound system in Joe SixPack's house is not the equivalent of a theater.

Depends. I have these in the garage:

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Is your garage acoustically engineered? Looks like a big hollow room with concrete and metal, along with bare walls. Sure it will be loud, but that's about it. :-) That concrete floor is hell for reflected sound. Notice how the theaters have drapes and carpeting in places like walls? But those are the kind of speakers you could point out the back of your car and actually propel yourself with. Where did you come across those?
 
2022-10-28 4:54:04 PM  

Mikey1969: No, the seats are fine. Once again, try a theater that was built o remodeled at some point in the last 20 years. We have stadium seating in all of our theaters here that don't have recliners, and we have one Chan that has nothing BUT the recliners. The other chain is about 50/50.


No. They aren't "fine" or "clean" or anywhere near better seats than I have in my house. My least comfortable seat is still better than the lux seats at the newer theaters. But cool. Thanks for telling me how I should see things though. Apparently, for the second time?

Do you own a theater? You are all over here selling the experience hard. "iN a thEatRe u r IN THE MOVIE!!!"
 
2022-10-28 4:57:06 PM  

Mikey1969: drewogatory: the sound system in Joe SixPack's house is not the equivalent of a theater.

Depends. I have these in the garage:

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Is your garage acoustically engineered? Looks like a big hollow room with concrete and metal, along with bare walls. Sure it will be loud, but that's about it. :-) That concrete floor is hell for reflected sound. Notice how the theaters have drapes and carpeting in places like walls? But those are the kind of speakers you could point out the back of your car and actually propel yourself with. Where did you come across those?


The garage is finished out now. Not my picture anyway.  But as with a lot of vintage hi fi , there's a whole community of folks into these Altecs. Just the horns command good money, some people combine the Altec horns with Klipschhorn bottom ends.
 
2022-10-28 5:32:03 PM  
Theaters suck.

They have to crank the speakers so loud to drown out the idiots that it hurts.

They have to turn the AC up to supress the BO.

Movie is a digital file projected with a high power projector. OLED TVs look better.

And this is not even talking about the hassle of getting there, finding and paying for parking, expensive and crappy food, other people. Movies made in the last 5 years all clump together, just tiny variations. They are the umpteenth movie in some franchise and you have to read up on if you can watch this one without watching that one or not.
 
2022-10-28 5:36:03 PM  

beezeltown: Gnaglor: beezeltown: At 10-15 hours per season, 3 to 10 seasons per "hit" series, there's so much more time for character development on TV than movie theaters could ever offer.

Unsurprisingly, the bulk of theater offerings is comic book stories driven by loud, bright CGI, with a sprinkling of one-line quips from the most beautiful models in Hollywood. No story, acting not required. Great for selling popcorn.

The bulk of movies in theaters is far from superhero movies. I get what you're saying, but please, use facts.

Yeah, not all superheroes, but a whole lot of CGI, animation, and painfully thin "horror" films. All geared for ages 12-24 or so. Not every release, obviously, but the majority. (https://m.imdb.com/list/ls538892389/ list of 2022 releases, so far)


Dang I haven't a single one except Jurassic World Dominion. I saw that in a flight and was painful in the amount of stupidity on it.
 
2022-10-28 6:52:41 PM  
Haven't been to a theater since Endgame. There really isn't a compelling reason to go anymore. And I got me a thingy like this... 
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2022-10-28 7:14:45 PM  
At home you can turn on bluetooth and use your headphones*.  What I need now is a TV/monitor that can selectively broadcast just the voice channel.

*Yes, I have hearing aids and the noise reduction circuits spend 90% of a movie cutting off the noise.
 
2022-10-28 7:19:06 PM  
Just say, "I prefer spending most of my time at home" instead of creating a stupid narrative around smells, noises, expenses, temperature and discomfort.

Not everyone is social or prefers communal experiences -- and that's totally fine! But do stop pretending like going to the cinema is like visiting the DMV or having a root canal.
 
2022-10-28 10:37:30 PM  
The on demand viewing is a bigger deal than the physical TVs.  When the creators know you are going to watch every single episode in order it opens up the possibility for richer and more complex storytelling stretched out far longer than you can be in a theater.
 
2022-10-29 5:10:51 AM  
Visual media is evolving. It used to hold that movies are short stories and TV series are novels, but the evolution of the franchise  and the advance of technology has blurred that distinction.

Because it used to be that only movies had the budgets for glorious special effects so it made films more special. The technology has all but wiped out that distinction. The Adama maneuver or the Destiny refueling would have absolutely crushed on the big screen, while the battle of Coruscant is just a mass of CGI clutter on any sized screen, but the Death Star trench run is amazing no matter where you watch it.

Franchises have turned some collections of movies into novels. The MCU is the best example of this. And it's not coincidence that the next best examples after the MCU; Harry Potter, LOTR, and Star Trek originate from longer from storytelling.

This is the thing most other franchises get wrong, because they treat their installments as short stories. Instead of treating their franchise film as a new chapter they treat it as a standalone. But one of the fundamental tenets of writing a novel is that each chapter must have it's own arc within the context of the larger story while also providing propulsion to that larger story.

The reality is that's incredibly hard to do when it's just one author scribbling away on their singular vision. The movie franchise version of this it's nigh impossible because you're basically changing authors every chapter. The MCU (mostly) beats this by having Kevin Feige, and at this point probably a small army of dedicated continuity people. Harry Potter managed it by being based on the novels. Trek sqeaks by on the strength of it's characters.
 
2022-10-29 5:31:29 AM  
Oh good, another thread where people who always hated the theater experience try explaining why it should end, and people who love the theater experience try explaining why it should continue.

Well guess what, theater haters? You're not going, so it already ended for you. Your vote doesn't count. And so long as everyone else keeps voting with their wallets and giving Hollywood billion dollar paydays, the theaters will stay open. Economics says you can suck it.
 
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