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(Yahoo)   Former DOD Chief of Staff and current Trump lackey Kash Patel to the media: I was there when Trump issued the order declassifying all those docs he had at Mar a Lago. DOJ: Can you say that again to this grand jury? Patel: Fif   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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vudukungfu [TotalFark]
2022-10-25 10:19:32 AM  
Asbestos pants
 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-25 10:20:43 AM  
Even IF he was there when he said, "we're declassifying all the things," the sad fact remains that he never gave that order or filed any of that with the agencies. I can say, "I'm going to murder this f*cking burrito," but until I down that last cheesy bite, the burrito is going to remain, unmurdered. You can claim that you schtupped any woman, but until that woman shrugs and looks up at Smitty's eyes and says, "It's OK, it happens, we can just cuddle," it didn't happen. Trump can claim all sorts of things, but until he can prove he acted on that desire, it's just a bunch of random firing neurons in the sack of wet meat of an increasingly smoothing brain.
 
Lady J [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-25 10:34:13 AM  
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Magorn [TotalFark]
2022-10-25 10:35:18 AM  

hubiestubert: Even IF he was there when he said, "we're declassifying all the things," the sad fact remains that he never gave that order or filed any of that with the agencies. I can say, "I'm going to murdrtheer this f*cking burrito," but until I down that last cheesy bite, the burrito is going to remain, unmurdered. You can claim that you schtupped any woman, but until that woman shrugs and looks up at Smitty's eyes and says, "It's OK, it happens, we can just cuddle," it didn't happen. Trump can claim all sorts of things, but until he can prove he acted on that desire, it's just a bunch of random firing neurons in the sack of wet meat of an increasingly smoothing brain.


To further drive the point home, even IF the documents WERE declassified (and they were NOT) Trump STILL broke the law, specifically the Presidential Records Act by retaining them and having them in his possession.
 
Circusdog320 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-25 10:39:38 AM  
So there are five people taking the Fifth Amendment, like you see on the mob, right? You see the mob takes the Fifth. If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?

--DJT 2016 Rally in Iowa
 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-25 10:42:10 AM  

Magorn: hubiestubert: Even IF he was there when he said, "we're declassifying all the things," the sad fact remains that he never gave that order or filed any of that with the agencies. I can say, "I'm going to murdrtheer this f*cking burrito," but until I down that last cheesy bite, the burrito is going to remain, unmurdered. You can claim that you schtupped any woman, but until that woman shrugs and looks up at Smitty's eyes and says, "It's OK, it happens, we can just cuddle," it didn't happen. Trump can claim all sorts of things, but until he can prove he acted on that desire, it's just a bunch of random firing neurons in the sack of wet meat of an increasingly smoothing brain.

To further drive the point home, even IF the documents WERE declassified (and they were NOT) Trump STILL broke the law, specifically the Presidential Records Act by retaining them and having them in his possession.


...and did so as a private citizen, not in the office of President. He was already in violation of the Presidential Records Act by destroying documents and memos during his tenure. THAT only goes to illustrate the malice and intention to avoid having these documents in the record. I don't think it's a huge leap to go with evidence tampering and obstruction of justice.
 
Rann Xerox [TotalFark]
2022-10-25 10:48:20 AM  
I wonder how much damage Kash Patel will do to tires and a trans-axle when TFG inevitably throws him under the bus.
 
BitwiseShift
2022-10-25 11:07:18 AM  
I'm wondering how he believed he was protecting the country, which was and is still  the job.
 
Weaver95
2022-10-25 11:09:44 AM  
Seems like Donald's criminal actions are coming home to roost. No wonder he's desperate.
I wonder how far the GOP will go to keep Trump safe? What body parts are they willing to sacrifice?
 
Jack Sabbath
2022-10-25 11:10:55 AM  
What about Obama taking 1 billion classified documents and hiding them in a Panda Express?

And George W Bush took 1 trillion documents, framed them and painted over them, mostly dog and bathtub paintings.

I suppose those are fine with the Democrat OJ?
 
nytmare
2022-10-25 11:11:10 AM  
How would Kash know when and where it was done, if Trump did it telepathically?
 
Mikey1969 [OhFark]
2022-10-25 11:11:35 AM  

hubiestubert: Even IF he was there when he said, "we're declassifying all the things," the sad fact remains that he never gave that order or filed any of that with the agencies. I can say, "I'm going to murder this f*cking burrito," but until I down that last cheesy bite, the burrito is going to remain, unmurdered. You can claim that you schtupped any woman, but until that woman shrugs and looks up at Smitty's eyes and says, "It's OK, it happens, we can just cuddle," it didn't happen. Trump can claim all sorts of things, but until he can prove he acted on that desire, it's just a bunch of random firing neurons in the sack of wet meat of an increasingly smoothing brain.


And to further muddy their "We didn't know..." claims, they DID declassify documents correctly. I mean, if they did this correctly, how did they suddenly forget on the others? And this was done in January of 2021, so at the same time that he supposedly did the rest by mere thought. I mean, i don't understand how these people can actually take up such completely contradictory positions in their heads.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/memorandum-declassification-certain-materials-related-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation/
 
sdd2000
2022-10-25 11:12:40 AM  

Magorn: hubiestubert: Even IF he was there when he said, "we're declassifying all the things," the sad fact remains that he never gave that order or filed any of that with the agencies. I can say, "I'm going to murdrtheer this f*cking burrito," but until I down that last cheesy bite, the burrito is going to remain, unmurdered. You can claim that you schtupped any woman, but until that woman shrugs and looks up at Smitty's eyes and says, "It's OK, it happens, we can just cuddle," it didn't happen. Trump can claim all sorts of things, but until he can prove he acted on that desire, it's just a bunch of random firing neurons in the sack of wet meat of an increasingly smoothing brain.

To further drive the point home, even IF the documents WERE declassified (and they were NOT) Trump STILL broke the law, specifically the Presidential Records Act by retaining them and having them in his possession.


Plus engaged in a conspiracy to obstruct justice, by falsely telling the FBI; DOJ; and/or National Archives that after a search they had turned over everything.
 
Mikey1969 [OhFark]
2022-10-25 11:13:31 AM  
Seems like a really silly reason to take the 5th., he didn't state this before under oath. So I wonder what they REALLY have on him?
 
GrizzlyPouch
2022-10-25 11:14:02 AM  
I love how the media insinuates people asserting their constitutional rights means they're automatically guilty of something.
 
Aquapope
2022-10-25 11:14:04 AM  
Docs are classified or declassified individually, not in bulk.  "Declassify this pile here." isn't a thing.
 
Adamata
2022-10-25 11:14:57 AM  
of course he did, because he is a farking liar
 
thealgorerhythm
2022-10-25 11:15:18 AM  
I have also lied in public.
 
Minus1Kelvin
2022-10-25 11:16:08 AM  

Circusdog320: So there are five people taking the Fifth Amendment, like you see on the mob, right? You see the mob takes the Fifth. If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?

--DJT 2016 Rally in Iowa


Don't matter. Then GQP have weaponized hypocrisy.
 
Rwa2play [TotalFark]
2022-10-25 11:17:24 AM  

Weaver95: Seems like Donald's criminal actions are coming home to roost. No wonder he's desperate.
I wonder how far the GOP will go to keep Trump safe? What body parts are they willing to sacrifice?


They're willing to sell their soul and their first born if it means Trump bringing them back to power.
 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-25 11:19:17 AM  

Mikey1969: hubiestubert: Even IF he was there when he said, "we're declassifying all the things," the sad fact remains that he never gave that order or filed any of that with the agencies. I can say, "I'm going to murder this f*cking burrito," but until I down that last cheesy bite, the burrito is going to remain, unmurdered. You can claim that you schtupped any woman, but until that woman shrugs and looks up at Smitty's eyes and says, "It's OK, it happens, we can just cuddle," it didn't happen. Trump can claim all sorts of things, but until he can prove he acted on that desire, it's just a bunch of random firing neurons in the sack of wet meat of an increasingly smoothing brain.

And to further muddy their "We didn't know..." claims, they DID declassify documents correctly. I mean, if they did this correctly, how did they suddenly forget on the others? And this was done in January of 2021, so at the same time that he supposedly did the rest by mere thought. I mean, i don't understand how these people can actually take up such completely contradictory positions in their heads.


Because they're used to dealing with people who are either rubes or people sucking up to them so that THEY can get them some of the rubes' money?
 
pehvbot [TotalFark]
2022-10-25 11:20:13 AM  

Rann Xerox: I wonder how much damage Kash Patel will do to tires and a trans-axle when TFG inevitably throws him under the bus.


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Still better than Trump reading you his poetry.
 
Bermuda59 [TotalFark]
2022-10-25 11:21:15 AM  
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Obviously they never did DOD Cyber Awareness Training
 
Weaver95
2022-10-25 11:21:44 AM  

Rwa2play: Weaver95: Seems like Donald's criminal actions are coming home to roost. No wonder he's desperate.
I wonder how far the GOP will go to keep Trump safe? What body parts are they willing to sacrifice?

They're willing to sell their soul and their first born if it means Trump bringing them back to power.


Well at least I won't miss having Republicans exist anymore.
Should quiet down some after Trump eats the last of them.
 
austerity101
2022-10-25 11:22:03 AM  
Kash Patel looks like a dipsh*t in every single photo.
 
Fart_Machine
2022-10-25 11:22:10 AM  
So he was there when Trump was thinking about declassification?
 
Arachnophobe [TotalFark]
2022-10-25 11:22:13 AM  
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Soup4Bonnie
2022-10-25 11:22:35 AM  
Renato Mariotti @renato_mariotti   12h

1/ Today the New York Times reported that former Trump official Kash Patel, who has said publicly that he supposedly personally witnessed Trump verbally declassified documents, took the Fifth before a D.C. federal grand jury.

The New York Times
Prosecutors Pressure Trump Aides to Testify in Documents Case
nytimes.com

2/ Patel reportedly took the Fifth "many" times in response to questions from federal prosecutors.
In addition, the Times reported that Walt Nauta, who worked in the White House as a military valet and cook and now works for Trump personally at Mar-a-Lago, has been interviewed.

3/ Apparently Nauta's initial statement to prosecutors conflicted with evidence, leading them to be "skeptical" of his "initial account."
DOJ has security camera footage showing Nauta "moving boxes out of a storage area at Mar-a-Lago" and has interviewed him twice about that.

4/ The Times reported Nauta indicated that Trump directed him to move boxes, which would be important evidence that Trump was trying to obstruct the DOJ's investigation.
But that conflicts with his initial account to the DOJ, and now they're threatening him with charges.

5/ As for Patel, federal prosecutors have now asked a judge to force him to testify, presumably by granting him immunity for his testimony.  If he is granted immunity, he would be forced to testify because you can't assert the Fifth if you have no potential criminal liability.

6/ So what does all of this mean?
It is common for witnesses like Nauta to have conflicting accounts that evolve over time.  Initially, a witness can be reluctant to be truthful and then open up more during subsequent interviews.
This makes them challenging witnesses at trial.

7/ Defense counsel (in this case, Trump's lawyers) could use Nauta's conflicting stories to suggest that his testimony at trial is unreliable.
Prosecutors aren't looking to actually charge Nauta and are likely using potential charges to motivate him to be forthcoming.

8/ It's apparent that prosecutors are trying to develop Nauta as a potential witness against Trump.  You don't put this much effort into developing a witness like him unless you're considering criminal charges.
At trial, his eventual testimony would be backed up by the video.

9/ As for Patel, his story that he was in a room with Trump while he was President when he supposedly verbally declassified documents is very difficult to believe.
Prosecutors are right to try to lock that down, and Patel was right to avoid repeating that lie under oath.

10/ Patel's decision to take the Fifth is a rare savvy move by him.  The fact that DOJ is trying to compel his testimony suggests that he isn't their target.
Compelling his testimony makes sense if the goal is to get him to admit that he lied, undercutting Trump's defense.

11/ All of this suggests that DOJ is pressing forward with a criminal investigation and that Trump is their target.  That's significant news that suggests that they won't be satisfied by a deal in which Trump gives them any remaining documents.

12/ Also, the fact that this testimony occurred in the District of Columbia suggests that it will be indicted in D.C.
The Constitution requires that crimes be charged in the place where they occurred.  But here, the crime occurred in multiple places.

13/ D.C. is a wise choice.  Among other things, the DOJ is based there and there is strong case law in D.C. federal courts that the need for grand jury testimony outweighs executive privilege and even attorney-client privilege between government attorneys and the president. /end


I have lots of questions, but let's start with the bold.
 
docsigma
2022-10-25 11:23:47 AM  
Reminder that Kash Patel wrote this

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GoldSpider
2022-10-25 11:25:04 AM  

Weaver95: Seems like Donald's criminal actions are coming home to roost. No wonder he's desperate.
I wonder how far the GOP will go to keep Trump safe? What body parts are they willing to sacrifice?


Yup!  Any day now!
 
Unsung_Hero
2022-10-25 11:26:52 AM  
If you're going to bother to respond to this, "irrelevant" is a clear, concise, and accurate response.
 
Slide10000
2022-10-25 11:26:58 AM  

Rann Xerox: I wonder how much damage Kash Patel will do to tires and a trans-axle when TFG inevitably throws him under the bus.


He looks pretty soft and squishy.  I'm betting on "not much"
 
rudemix [OhFark]
2022-10-25 11:27:03 AM  
Another day another coward appears. Not to put the willingness to lie and cheat and any other moral failings these assholes have in the backseat, but JFC could one of these piece of trash, puke-bag, amoral pieces of degenerate filth at least have the guts to stand proud of what the do and give off some 'ends justify the means' vibe? In addition to every other failing these people have, cowardice is one of the constants as well.

Thank goodness I guess. If these common clay asshats could muster up the huevos to get down in the dirt and stay there for the party of shriveled old white phony christian men they worship we'd already be a theocratic fascist state.
 
Nicki Minaj's Cousin's Friend's Swollen Testicle
2022-10-25 11:28:09 AM  

Jack Sabbath: What about Obama taking 1 billion classified documents and hiding them in a Panda Express?

And George W Bush took 1 trillion documents, framed them and painted over them, mostly dog and bathtub paintings.

I suppose those are fine with the Democrat OJ?


And what about Hillary washing her emails with bleach?
 
2wolves [TotalFark]
2022-10-25 11:28:29 AM  
How do things like Kash Patel rise to such heights in government;  No integrity, little cunning, less intelligence, and an inability to read the legal room?
 
Walker [TotalFark]
2022-10-25 11:30:33 AM  
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nickolas66
2022-10-25 11:30:34 AM  
It's pretty typical that these dirtbags talk big in the media, and then they can't make the same claims in a court of law. That's the story of TFG's 60+ failed lawsuits about the "stolen" election.
 
dracos31
2022-10-25 11:32:38 AM  

2wolves: How do things like Kash Patel rise to such heights in government;  No integrity, little cunning, less intelligence, and an inability to read the legal room?


An unerring ability to find the right ass to kiss.
 
Soup4Bonnie
2022-10-25 11:32:42 AM  
and I found answers!

Susan LaDuke  @Sjladuke75Susan

Walt Nauta, formerly from Guam, enlisted in Navy, became a cook in the White House mess, a dining room run by the Navy in the basement of the White House. He went on to become Donald's diet coke valet & gofer following Trump to MAL. Was witnessed on video.
 
Dadburns
2022-10-25 11:35:17 AM  
FTFA: "Patel told Fox News that Trump made a "sweeping reclassification order" via social media."

Wait... if this was a legal order by social media, does that mean TFG can be held accountable for everything else he said/says  on social media?
 
Gergesa
2022-10-25 11:36:22 AM  
Just a reminder, Kash wrote this:

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Also he has an absurd conspiracy show:

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Hyperbolic Hyperbole
2022-10-25 11:37:09 AM  
Literally any other US citizen that stole these documents would be in Gitmo being forced to do naked human pyramid with other prisoners while the guards rubbed various species' buttholes on their faces while the courts figured out if this was a crime.

Literally
Any
Other
United
States
Citizen.
 
Arachnophobe [TotalFark]
2022-10-25 11:38:25 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: and I found answers!

Susan LaDuke  @Sjladuke75Susan

Walt Nauta, formerly from Guam, enlisted in Navy, became a cook in the White House mess, a dining room run by the Navy in the basement of the White House. He went on to become Donald's diet coke valet & gofer following Trump to MAL. Was witnessed on video.


'Donald Trump's Diet Coke Valet' is both a shameful job description and a pretty decent Fark handle.
 
Weaver95
2022-10-25 11:40:06 AM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: Literally any other US citizen that stole these documents would be in Gitmo being forced to do naked human pyramid with other prisoners while the guards rubbed various species' buttholes on their faces while the courts figured out if this was a crime.

Literally
Any
Other
United
States
Citizen.


The entire Republican party has decided to sacrifice themselves to protect trump.
That's it. That's the only thing keeping Trump out of jail.
Bonus round? I think the GOP will do everything they can to stop the CIA, NSA and FBI from fixing any of the stuff that might have been affected from Trump's massive security breach. The GOP cannot allow anyone to admit that what trump stole was very damaging to this country.
 
ImpendingCynic
2022-10-25 11:41:23 AM  
You were there when he violated federal law by not following the correct procedure for declassifying top secret information?

These guys are so farking stupid.
 
Barricaded Gunman
2022-10-25 11:41:27 AM  
If you're suggesting that Trump and his lackeys say things on television that they refuse to repeat while under oath, boy I don't know.
 
ToastmasterGeneral
2022-10-25 11:43:00 AM  
I think I read about this in Patel's book, "2000 Fifth Pleadings."
 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-25 11:44:53 AM  

Dadburns: FTFA: "Patel told Fox News that Trump made a "sweeping reclassification order" via social media."


Which means, he didn't file any of the paperwork or order any agency. Their own 'defense' just clarifies that these folks not only didn't do a damn thing, they also expose their ignorance of how government actually functions, and blame the government and polices for NOT bending to their will.

It's a ideology based on a three year old's understanding of the world. MINE! ME!
 
Omnidirectional Punching
2022-10-25 11:45:59 AM  

docsigma: Reminder that Kash Patel wrote this

[media-amazon.com image 400x500]


You ever wonder if you're in one of those dreams where it seems like you wake up, go to work, come home, go to sleep, and wake up again, day after day, all while really just being asleep?
 
Hyperbolic Hyperbole
2022-10-25 11:48:05 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: If you're suggesting that Trump and his lackeys say things on television that they refuse to repeat while under oath, boy I don't know.


See they're just too smart for that because being asked questions under oath is just a perjury trap
 
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