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(CNN)   Hey. Has anyone noticed that British conservatives have now managed to appoint *two* Prime Ministers that not a single person in England actually voted for?   (cnn.com) divider line
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vudukungfu [TotalFark]
2022-10-25 8:42:52 AM  
I have
 
Marcus Aurelius [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-25 8:50:52 AM  
Now would be a terrible time to actually let people vote, because the Torries would be immolated.  Better to let the sheeple get distracted by something else first before they do that whole voting thing again.  The financial system is about to melt down globally and we might have a nuclear war, so there's still hope.
 
Gubbo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-25 8:58:05 AM  
Give the people what they want. Or cling desperately to power.

Not really even a choice is it
 
NewportBarGuy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-25 9:05:26 AM  
I thought the leader is whomever the East India Company says it is?
 
Eightballjacket [TotalFark]
2022-10-25 9:11:25 AM  
Subby, you seem pretty ignorant about the UK system.
 
NewportBarGuy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-25 9:16:23 AM  

Eightballjacket: Subby, you seem pretty ignorant about the UK system.


To be fair to subby, I'd wager the British people are in the process of seriously questioning their system right now.
 
Rev.K [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-25 9:16:49 AM  
Remember when the concept of a mandate still mattered?
 
Rev.K [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-25 9:21:00 AM  

Eightballjacket: Subby, you seem pretty ignorant about the UK system.


Is Rishi Sunak an elected member of Parliament?

Yes.

Should the utterly embarrassing and humiliating exits of not one, but TWO Prime Ministers, trigger a general election?

In any sane timeline, yes.


But here we are.
 
Farking Clown Shoes [TotalFark]
2022-10-25 9:58:24 AM  

Rev.K: Remember when the concept of a mandate still mattered?


That was pre-BoJo.

Now we're getting the rest of the clown car, one at a time.
 
meat0918 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-25 10:06:18 AM  
As an American, I actually didn't know that.

Wow
 
Peter von Nostrand
2022-10-25 10:08:52 AM  
Republicans feverishly taking notes and jerking it to Maga fanfic art.
 
kpaxoid
2022-10-25 10:09:11 AM  

Eightballjacket: Subby, you seem pretty ignorant about the UK system.


And probably applies to the understanding of the Canadian system.

But even the President of the United States is not elected by popular vote.
 
jbtilley
2022-10-25 10:09:27 AM  
And in America the candidate with millions more votes than the only other candidate can lose the election.

/ain't life grand?
 
Peter von Nostrand
2022-10-25 10:09:33 AM  

Rev.K: Remember when the concept of a mandate still mattered?


Ladybug Lindsey does...
 
Fooshards
2022-10-25 10:10:02 AM  
This seems to be not a bug, but a feature of the cashgrab Kristian Konservative Kucks
 
You'd turn it off when I was halfway across [BareFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-25 10:11:39 AM  

Rev.K: Eightballjacket: Subby, you seem pretty ignorant about the UK system.

Is Rishi Sunak an elected member of Parliament?

Yes.

Should the utterly embarrassing and humiliating exits of not one, but TWO Prime Ministers, trigger a general election?

In any sane timeline, yes.


But here we are.


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I'm an excellent driver [OhFark]
2022-10-25 10:12:22 AM  
You either understand the UK electoral system or you are CNN or Subby.
 
iheartscotch
2022-10-25 10:13:02 AM  
They REALLY do not want to call a general election.
 
Harry Freakstorm [BareFark]
2022-10-25 10:13:04 AM  
They're two steps ahead of us in the Stolen Election playbook.

1. Steal elections stealthily
2. Steal election proudly.
3. You guys don't need to vote anymore. We got this.  Go have a pint in the pub.
 
Jumbled
2022-10-25 10:13:54 AM  
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Rule Brittania
 
bighairyguy [TotalFark]
2022-10-25 10:14:11 AM  
They don't care about the US Constitution, really not much different than Republicans.
 
Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste
2022-10-25 10:14:30 AM  
Guys, we've got to let them try cutting taxes again.
 
Herbert's Hippopotamus
2022-10-25 10:14:42 AM  
It's been alluded to, but the King appoints the Prime Minister, not the British public, and the King does so on the basis of who can command a majority in the House, usually the leader of the party with the most seats, but not always. At this point, it wouldn't be without precedent for Charles to say "nope", desolve Parliament, and call new elections, but that is highly unlikely.
 
RasIanI
2022-10-25 10:14:50 AM  
The conservative party was given whatever mandate they have in the last election. Voters elect a party in a parliamentary system -- the party elects its leader.

The PM - the political leader of Britain - is not voted for separately.

Now, historically it is considered good form, and a political norm, for that party to seek out a new mandate when the ruling party elects a new party leader. Like, within a month.

Because voters see what subby sees.

So we shall see -- but the conservative party itself seems like it can't get the 1st step figured out:  who is going to actually be their new leader.
 
Unsung_Hero
2022-10-25 10:14:55 AM  
You don't vote for the PM, you vote for your representative.  The party with the most elected members forms the government and selects a PM from amongst them.

Usually they select their PM before an election and make sure they run in guaranteed riding, but an outgoing PM can be replaced before the government.  It's not a great move for the party, but if the party's failing and they don't want the current PM to have a list election on their resume, it can happen.

It's stupid, like resigning before you're fired.  Everyone knows what really happened.

/is all out of bubblegum
 
killershark
2022-10-25 10:15:17 AM  
So I did a little digging because I honestly didn't know the answer. I think a prime minister can declare an election at any time, but the limit is five years. And since the last general election was December 2019, there isn't another one until December 2024 at the latest. That's TWO years from now! So are we going to be doing this new prime minister every 60 days for the next two years?
https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/general/
 
hobnail
2022-10-25 10:15:43 AM  
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anjin-san
2022-10-25 10:16:04 AM  
Isn't that how a parliamentary system works?
 
gunsmack
2022-10-25 10:16:10 AM  
Under British law, as long as a party can command a parliamentary majority, it can continue in power for up to five years before calling an election.

They don't make the ridiculous rules, they just bend them to the breaking point.

/ glad we've worked out all the bugs in the system on this side of the pond
 
You'd turn it off when I was halfway across [BareFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-25 10:19:24 AM  

RasIanI: The conservative party was given whatever mandate they have in the last election. Voters elect a party in a parliamentary system -- the party elects its leader.

The PM - the political leader of Britain - is not voted for separately.

Now, historically it is considered good form, and a political norm, for that party to seek out a new mandate when the ruling party elects a new party leader. Like, within a month.

Because voters see what subby sees.

So we shall see -- but the conservative party itself seems like it can't get the 1st step figured out:  who is going to actually be their new leader.


Small correction, but we vote for the individual, not the party.

Once they become an MP they can completely ignore their party if they choose and all that the party can do about it is kick them out the party, they retain their seat unless they choose to resign.
 
Kangaroo_Ralph [OhFark]
2022-10-25 10:19:24 AM  
Yeah, we do it the right way in the US when a president, senator, or governor dies and we immediately have another election.

/sometimes I feel like a banana in a bowl of apples.
 
Jumbled
2022-10-25 10:19:43 AM  
Maybe proclaimations from a watery bint actually IS the proper way to run a government?
 
FormlessOne
2022-10-25 10:20:16 AM  
But as any three-year-old knows, there are two meanings of "You can't do that!" On the one hand, there is "You can't do that because it is actually impossible." There is also, "You can't do that because it is unconscionable." When one of my sons clocks the other one on the head and I shout, "You can't do that!" both boys understand my meaning.

Huh.

What a naive view of the world. Go ahead. Try to appeal to the conscience of a conservative. It might be possible in the UK - here in the US, our conservatives are telling women that they're second-class baby factories; non-whites that it's their own fault for not being born white; and haranguing the poor for being unwilling to die because it means the poor aren't enriching the rich fast enough - that's why the rich were forced to jack up prices on everything you poors like while telling you that it's your fault so STFU & GBTW.
 
Karma Chameleon
2022-10-25 10:21:36 AM  
this is why you need electoral college to ensure the best person for the job is
 
FormlessOne
2022-10-25 10:23:13 AM  

Jumbled: Maybe proclaimations from a watery bint actually IS the proper way to run a government?


You're fooling yourself. They're going to end up living in a dictatorship. A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes... no, wait, never mind.

/ Clicks on PornHub
// There's some lovely filth down here.
 
Decorus
2022-10-25 10:24:24 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Yeah, we do it the right way in the US when a president, senator, or governor dies and we immediately have another election.


Nope. Not even close to what happens in the United States.
 
AmbassadorBooze
2022-10-25 10:25:24 AM  
The Brits love monarchy.  This is why they will always be slaves.
 
MattytheMouse
2022-10-25 10:26:00 AM  
I can't help but think back to, way back when Queen Elizabeth died and I was on my tear about how monarchies are dumb, several Farkers legit retorted "I rather have what they have considering the last guy we elected!"

To the people who'd said that: you suck lol
 
ImpendingCynic
2022-10-25 10:27:54 AM  
Gerald Ford grins knowingly.
 
FormlessOne
2022-10-25 10:27:59 AM  
I'm waiting for King Charles III to decide that this whole "democratic process" thing was a nice experiment but he's had enough of it, decide to reinstate monarchic rule, and watch as every git and goit begging for conservatives to "Make England Great Again" cheers & starts killing foreigners & travelers.

Somewhere, Nigel Farage just shamefully ejaculated.
 
Kangaroo_Ralph [OhFark]
2022-10-25 10:30:06 AM  

Decorus: Kangaroo_Ralph: Yeah, we do it the right way in the US when a president, senator, or governor dies and we immediately have another election.

Nope. Not even close to what happens in the United States.


Dang... you're right! That would be incredibly stupid, wouldn't it?
 
RasIanI
2022-10-25 10:31:49 AM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: RasIanI: The conservative party was given whatever mandate they have in the last election. Voters elect a party in a parliamentary system -- the party elects its leader.

The PM - the political leader of Britain - is not voted for separately.

Now, historically it is considered good form, and a political norm, for that party to seek out a new mandate when the ruling party elects a new party leader. Like, within a month.

Because voters see what subby sees.

So we shall see -- but the conservative party itself seems like it can't get the 1st step figured out:  who is going to actually be their new leader.

Small correction, but we vote for the individual, not the party.

Once they become an MP they can completely ignore their party if they choose and all that the party can do about it is kick them out the party, they retain their seat unless they choose to resign.


"Small correction, but we vote for the individual, not the party."

I suppose I did phrase that poorly -- but thats what I meant: by voting for the indiviual MP of a certain party that wins a mandate.
 
3rd world republipuke
2022-10-25 10:32:12 AM  
Sunak promises to quit calling the EU assholes but aside from that Brexit is still the driving force behind the conservative agenda. The conservative torie rot hasn't gone anywhere.
 
robertus [TotalFark]
2022-10-25 10:33:00 AM  

FormlessOne: Somewhere, Nigel Farage just shamefully ejaculated.


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That would require Nigel Farage to have the ability to feel shame.
 
Russ1642
2022-10-25 10:34:19 AM  
Not a single person? Subby doesn't understand what's going on there so instead of looking it up and farking learning something they just go with whatever they invent in their imagination and call that reality. In short, Subby's a republican.
 
Masakyst
2022-10-25 10:34:49 AM  
Just imagine the next human dumpster fire they would have voted for, given the chance.
 
RasIanI
2022-10-25 10:35:31 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Yeah, we do it the right way in the US when a president, senator, or governor dies and we immediately have another election.


A VP slides into the POTUS spot, and often governors and senators are appointed on an interim basis when they vacate a position

Rules vary depending on the state -- but McConnell altered the Kentucky rules to appoint senators as soon as the last Democratic governor was elected. So that the party of said senator appoints its replacement  -- I dont know if he had a bad report from his doctor that week, or what, but....
 
oldfarthenry [TotalFark]
2022-10-25 10:38:11 AM  
They don't vote for the prime minister directly anyway.
They vote for the party they want to ruin -er- run the country.
 
padraig
2022-10-25 10:38:35 AM  
Prime Ministers should be electer by member of parliaments, not selected by the due-paying members of the ruling party, none of which were elected to their role. At least MPs can be expected to represent their constituents.
Who does theparty members represent ?
 
12349876
2022-10-25 10:40:50 AM  
The whole USA didn't vote for Nancy Pelosi either.  It's just that England gives that person a ton of power ecause there's no President.

/reached level 100 on Candy Crush
 
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