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(Yahoo)   The Law Of Unintended Consequences sails the seven seas freely   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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3015 clicks; posted to Business » and STEM » on 24 Oct 2022 at 5:50 PM (22 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-10-24 5:33:53 PM  
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2022-10-24 5:36:16 PM  
We need real captain Nemo
 
2022-10-24 6:09:18 PM  
As long as we let capitalism guide our conservation decisions, every single one of these consequences is fully intended. You can't have unrestrained capitalism without resource depletion.
 
2022-10-24 6:17:07 PM  
An actual fisherman or farmer would strive to be a steward of the land or sea.

But hurr durr profits
 
2022-10-24 7:12:35 PM  
The fish of the sea are free!

People: let them be
Capitalists: take them

/Chief Unicorn Wrangler
 
2022-10-24 7:35:10 PM  
My first thought was fertilizer but cannibalism is cool too, I guess
 
2022-10-24 7:56:36 PM  

pacified: An actual fisherman or farmer would strive to be a steward of the land or sea.

But hurr durr profits


I mean, not starving is pretty profitable. Not getting your boat repossessed, or simply not getting hired.

/Drew owes me four beers
 
2022-10-24 8:26:16 PM  
Oh look. Another article based on "a non profit journalist group" with a provocative name, and "a local microbiologist says" that something apocalyptic happened. Something makes me think that local microbiologists from Gabon or Gambia might need their math checked, but that is just me. Isn't it? And make sure we use all the hyperbole we can because... new science and the new journalism.

Can we stop with this fake journalism one of these days? Not even Greta is 13 years old anymore. Can we get environmental groups to form a Voltron and do actual, repeatable, verifiable work rather than letting the likes of Greenpeace Nazca kickers represent the pinnacle of ambulance chasing and extortion du jour of some capitalists? Mashed potatoes at famous paintings? Makes SENSE!

Why the vitriol? Because this article is analogous to "backburning" and "fire-breaking." Someone who REALLY wants to study this issue now has to climb a wall of panicky disinformation spread by amateurs and local microbiologists who had to exaggerate something to get a headline in Yahoo News. This wrong way of doing things is counterproductive. Greenpeace spends its time speaking against recycling and nuclear power, and winds up boosting coal and beef. They spin in circles and then cheer on the mashed potato terrorists.
 
2022-10-24 8:41:26 PM  

pacified: An actual fisherman or farmer would strive to be a steward of the land or sea.

But hurr durr profits


Farming and fishing are completely different situations.  Unlike a farmer taking care of his own land, there's no incentive for a fisherman to leave fish when someone else will just take the same fish.  An individual fisherman can't conserve a fishery by sustainable fishing.  It takes a syndicate or a government to conserve a fishery.
 
2022-10-24 8:44:39 PM  
So that is out of the way.

You know what would really help this? Higher gasoline prices.

Who knows if what the article describes really happened. It doesn't matter. That is an anecdote. What definitely happened is that Chinese fishing boats can somehow operate profitably in the coastal waters of West Africa and anywhere else they feel like it because... they can.

If gasoline prices were high enough, there would be a lot less tragedy of the commons and a lot more careful development of national coastal areas, with managed fishery areas, stocked fisheries, etc.. Higher gasoline prices would "force" the development of cheaper and more sustainable terrestrial or at least local protein sources for fish, which is a win, and do the same for protein sources for humans, which is another win. There is a point where the answer to eating will not be simply, "consume all wildlife everywhere."

Rather than using "fish meal from fish to feed fish," maybe we could be breeding crickets or locusts or meal worms or other larvae. Giving that initiative a head start is a great idea. Besides, everyone knows fish love bugs.

And you know what? Let's say that fishing boats figure out ways to cut fuel costs using solar and wind power. They might "get around" high fuel prices and just go back to raping the environment. Well. It will take them money and time to do so. Maybe by then, the oceans and fish will have a little time to recover, and even cheaper alternatives will have been developed.

Why isn't Greenpeace just doing ONE THING it could do? Protest and agitate for higher fuel prices. All the time. Every time. It is the ONE THING that would solve every problem it lobbies against.
 
2022-10-24 9:06:52 PM  

pacified: An actual fisherman or farmer would strive to be a steward of the land or sea.

But hurr durr profits


Lol. Romancing a profession is dumb especially one that for thousands of years has done some very damaging things out of ignorance.
 
2022-10-24 10:17:31 PM  
Subby, the phrase you are looking for is "tragedy of the commons".
 
2022-10-24 10:56:39 PM  
God we suck...
 
2022-10-25 12:11:43 AM  
Fish farming allows for more sustainable production of things like salmon, etc. with feed derived from sustainable and less popular fish as well as fish byproducts and non-fish products (which often make up the bulk of the feed). We'd still be better off eating sardines than salmon but the increase in farming has done a lot of good.
 
2022-10-25 12:28:04 AM  
So basically it's the ethanol bullshiat all over again...
 
2022-10-25 7:52:21 AM  
China.

But that's racist right?

/fiddlesticks!
 
2022-10-25 8:36:10 AM  
We are gonna need a global purge.  I suggest WW3.  Less people means less consuming.

Problem solved
 
2022-10-25 10:26:06 AM  

AmbassadorBooze: We are gonna need a global purge.  I suggest WW3.  Less people means less consuming.

Problem solved


Wars never kill the right people
 
2022-10-25 8:34:53 PM  

Goimir: AmbassadorBooze: We are gonna need a global purge.  I suggest WW3.  Less people means less consuming.

Problem solved

Wars never kill the right people


All people consume energy.  They use carbon.  We purge until the world is in balance.
 
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