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(NBC New York)   "Boos and screams" overshadowed announcement of plan to open streets for Halloween, leaving local council members unsure whether the hecklers opposed the plan or were just getting started on their Halloween celebration early   (nbcnewyork.com) divider line
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Ivo Shandor [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-24 1:48:19 PM  
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Naido [TotalFark]
2022-10-24 2:02:27 PM  
"Trick-or-Streets is going to be an incredible night of safe, healthy fun"

Trick *or* streets?  That doesn't have to be a choice, and it usually isn't.  Most tricks get negotiated on the streets.
 
UltimaCS
2022-10-24 2:07:52 PM  
They put boulders in the streets, it's hard for the emergency vehicles to get to the sick people.

The neat part is that fire engines can drive through lawns just as well.
 
hugadarn [TotalFark]
2022-10-24 2:08:11 PM  
Less kids hiat with cars seems like a good thing. But then again, less covid deaths seemed like a good thing too, and convenience and expedience ended up being worth a lot of lives, more than I would have expected.
 
tom baker's scarf
2022-10-24 2:18:19 PM  
you know what would be waaaaaaay safer?  not starting TorT until 6:30pm, when most people who work normal business hours are home and no longer driving to their homes.  There isn't a single year when, despite riding my brake all the way through my neighborhood i need to slam it down to avoid some idiot's crotchfruit who is allowed to run around like an idiot's crotchfruit.

farking up the normal early evening traffic flow is just going to make it worse.

when i was a kid TorT didn't start until after dark and since parents weren't driving around playing imaginary-pedo hunter there were no cars on the streets.  exactly none of the kids in my neighborhood, school or any of my relatives were ever hit by a car on Halloween.  if you were TotTing in the 80s i'd bet the same goes for you.
 
Petroleum Oligarch
2022-10-24 2:18:44 PM  

hugadarn: Less kids hiat with cars seems like a good thing. But then again, less covid deaths seemed like a good thing too, and convenience and expedience ended up being worth a lot of lives, more than I would have expected.


This post made Stannis Baratheon cry.
 
We Ate the Necco Wafers
2022-10-24 2:19:07 PM  
The city restricts vehicles from driving on certain streets, and supporters say this has led to a significant decrease in the number of traffic accidents and vehicle/pedestrian collisions.

These supporters don't seem to understand correlation versus causation.
 
MindStalker
2022-10-24 2:19:17 PM  

UltimaCS: They put boulders in the streets, it's hard for the emergency vehicles to get to the sick people.

The neat part is that fire engines can drive through lawns just as well.


All the photos I can find off NYC open streets show simple barricades or large orange cones, Either of which can be moved easily enough.

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GregInIndy
2022-10-24 2:19:53 PM  
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Child pedestrian deaths go through the roof on Halloween. Every year. Close the streets and these disingenuous jackass protestors can just deal with it & die mad.
 
oopsboom
2022-10-24 2:22:55 PM  
it's b/c all these neighborhoods are poorly planned/designed.  the only way to get anywhere an adult wants to go is by car.  but the streets are narrow and have tiny or no sidewalks and no bike paths, and probably poor lighting after dark.

all of it just needs to be razed to the ground and rebuilt in an expanded grid with mass transit, modern street layouts, etc built into it.  but thats financially and just physically infeasible.  so instead we do this nonsense where we drive cars for 16 hours then ban them for 8.  and act like we did somethign amazing by "reducing accidents by 1/3rd!" when obviously we banned card for 1/3rd of the day lol
 
UltimaCS
2022-10-24 2:23:03 PM  

GregInIndy: through the roof


It looks like it's barely larger than late September, which is probably the point at which parents give up on dropping their kids off every morning.
 
GregInIndy
2022-10-24 2:23:06 PM  
It's just 4 hours of the night, on one night of the year, so little kids don't get hurt or killed. Why do people have to be such trash about that.
 
NM Volunteer [TotalFark]
2022-10-24 2:35:33 PM  

GregInIndy: It's just 4 hours of the night, on one night of the year, so little kids don't get hurt or killed. Why do people have to be such trash about that.


Normally it's the chamber of commerce/business alliance types complaining because main streets get shut down.  At least in small towns.
 
Tillmaster
2022-10-24 2:46:37 PM  

oopsboom: it's b/c all these neighborhoods are poorly planned/designed.  the only way to get anywhere an adult wants to go is by car.  but the streets are narrow and have tiny or no sidewalks and no bike paths, and probably poor lighting after dark.

all of it just needs to be razed to the ground and rebuilt in an expanded grid with mass transit, modern street layouts, etc built into it.  but thats financially and just physically infeasible.  so instead we do this nonsense where we drive cars for 16 hours then ban them for 8.  and act like we did somethign amazing by "reducing accidents by 1/3rd!" when obviously we banned card for 1/3rd of the day lol


By car? In New York City? Surely you jest.
Plenty of infrastructure, too.
 
tom baker's scarf
2022-10-24 2:46:59 PM  

GregInIndy: [Fark user image 425x404]

Child pedestrian deaths go through the roof on Halloween. Every year. Close the streets and these disingenuous jackass protestors can just deal with it & die mad.


from the WP article from which that graphic was pulled.
A Washington Post analysis found that 54 pedestrians younger than 18 were struck and killed by an automobile on Halloween from 2004 through 2018. That compares with 16 on a typical day.

ok so 54deaths/14years= 3.86 deaths per Halloween compared to "16 on a typical day".

Either their writing or their math sucks.  Probably both, it is the WP after-all. Also can we get a copy of that graph w/o the black bar obscuring the data?
 
wetrat
2022-10-24 2:47:15 PM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: The city restricts vehicles from driving on certain streets, and supporters say this has led to a significant decrease in the number of traffic accidents and vehicle/pedestrian collisions.

These supporters don't seem to understand correlation versus causation.


I really hope this is snark but it's hard to tell these days.
 
Dewey Fidalgo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-10-24 2:50:28 PM  
So I looked up the street closures in all of Queens.   There are three.   None of which are in Jackson Heights.

Two blocks each.   In all of Queens.   All the way out to 212 St (where one of the sites is listed).   There are a shiatton of streets in Queens.

So a total of 6 blocks for four hours.   I think Queens will survive.
 
wetrat
2022-10-24 2:50:58 PM  

oopsboom: it's b/c all these neighborhoods are poorly planned/designed.  the only way to get anywhere an adult wants to go is by car. but the streets are narrow and have tiny or no sidewalks and no bike paths, and probably poor lighting after dark.

all of it just needs to be razed to the ground and rebuilt in an expanded grid with mass transit, modern street layouts, etc built into it.  but thats financially and just physically infeasible.  so instead we do this nonsense where we drive cars for 16 hours then ban them for 8.  and act like we did somethign amazing by "reducing accidents by 1/3rd!" when obviously we banned card for 1/3rd of the day lol


Here is the list of the actual streets that are part of this proposal: https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/pedestrians/activations.shtml#calendar The vast majority of them are in Manhattan, which is literally a grid with mass transit. Other than emergency vehicles, nobody "needs" to drive down these streets on Halloween.
 
Subtonic
2022-10-24 2:51:14 PM  

GregInIndy: [Fark user image 425x404]

Child pedestrian deaths go through the roof on Halloween. Every year. Close the streets and these disingenuous jackass protestors can just deal with it & die mad.


A few dead kids is a small price to pay to get my jollies handing out fentanyl laced marijuana edibles.
 
OtherLittleGuy [BareFark]
2022-10-24 2:57:45 PM  

Petroleum Oligarch: hugadarn: Less kids hiat with cars seems like a good thing. But then again, less covid deaths seemed like a good thing too, and convenience and expedience ended up being worth a lot of lives, more than I would have expected.

This post made Stannis Baratheon cry.


"Weep."
 
tom baker's scarf
2022-10-24 2:59:45 PM  

tom baker's scarf: GregInIndy: [Fark user image 425x404]

Child pedestrian deaths go through the roof on Halloween. Every year. Close the streets and these disingenuous jackass protestors can just deal with it & die mad.

from the WP article from which that graphic was pulled.
A Washington Post analysis found that 54 pedestrians younger than 18 were struck and killed by an automobile on Halloween from 2004 through 2018. That compares with 16 on a typical day.

ok so 54deaths/14years= 3.86 deaths per Halloween compared to "16 on a typical day".

Either their writing or their math sucks.  Probably both, it is the WP after-all. Also can we get a copy of that graph w/o the black bar obscuring the data?


also given that the data in NHTSA link (https://cdan.dot.gov/query ) they cited in their article only goes back to 2006, not 2004 as listed said article and i don't see any way of generating a bar graph w/in the tool (the tool kicks out a table not graph) i'm calling shenanigans.
 
ctighe2353
2022-10-24 3:04:09 PM  

tom baker's scarf: tom baker's scarf: GregInIndy: [Fark user image 425x404]

Child pedestrian deaths go through the roof on Halloween. Every year. Close the streets and these disingenuous jackass protestors can just deal with it & die mad.

from the WP article from which that graphic was pulled.
A Washington Post analysis found that 54 pedestrians younger than 18 were struck and killed by an automobile on Halloween from 2004 through 2018. That compares with 16 on a typical day.

ok so 54deaths/14years= 3.86 deaths per Halloween compared to "16 on a typical day".

Either their writing or their math sucks.  Probably both, it is the WP after-all. Also can we get a copy of that graph w/o the black bar obscuring the data?

also given that the data in NHTSA link (https://cdan.dot.gov/query ) they cited in their article only goes back to 2006, not 2004 as listed said article and i don't see any way of generating a bar graph w/in the tool (the tool kicks out a table not graph) i'm calling shenanigans.


It's 4 hours.  People really get riled up over the most mundane thing.   It's 4 hours, they close streets longer for car accidents, water main breaks and things like that.
Let the kids have 4 hours of fun, it's the farking city where there are limited places to play
 
oopsboom
2022-10-24 3:11:16 PM  

wetrat: oopsboom: it's b/c all these neighborhoods are poorly planned/designed.  the only way to get anywhere an adult wants to go is by car. but the streets are narrow and have tiny or no sidewalks and no bike paths, and probably poor lighting after dark.

all of it just needs to be razed to the ground and rebuilt in an expanded grid with mass transit, modern street layouts, etc built into it.  but thats financially and just physically infeasible.  so instead we do this nonsense where we drive cars for 16 hours then ban them for 8.  and act like we did somethign amazing by "reducing accidents by 1/3rd!" when obviously we banned card for 1/3rd of the day lol

Here is the list of the actual streets that are part of this proposal: https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/pedestrians/activations.shtml#calendar The vast majority of them are in Manhattan, which is literally a grid with mass transit. Other than emergency vehicles, nobody "needs" to drive down these streets on Halloween.


and yet if you pull up google maps half those streets "noone needs to drive down" are red traffic at 4p i bet
 
tom baker's scarf
2022-10-24 3:16:12 PM  

ctighe2353: tom baker's scarf: tom baker's scarf: GregInIndy: [Fark user image 425x404]

Child pedestrian deaths go through the roof on Halloween. Every year. Close the streets and these disingenuous jackass protestors can just deal with it & die mad.

from the WP article from which that graphic was pulled.
A Washington Post analysis found that 54 pedestrians younger than 18 were struck and killed by an automobile on Halloween from 2004 through 2018. That compares with 16 on a typical day.

ok so 54deaths/14years= 3.86 deaths per Halloween compared to "16 on a typical day".

Either their writing or their math sucks.  Probably both, it is the WP after-all. Also can we get a copy of that graph w/o the black bar obscuring the data?

also given that the data in NHTSA link (https://cdan.dot.gov/query ) they cited in their article only goes back to 2006, not 2004 as listed said article and i don't see any way of generating a bar graph w/in the tool (the tool kicks out a table not graph) i'm calling shenanigans.

It's 4 hours.  People really get riled up over the most mundane thing.   It's 4 hours, they close streets longer for car accidents, water main breaks and things like that.
Let the kids have 4 hours of fun, it's the farking city where there are limited places to play


i agree but how about we don't combine 4 hours of kids running in the streets fun with the busiest commuting time + sundown lighting issues?

my gripe is with the terrible article that seemingly made up that graphic to stoke seemingly unsubstantiated fears.
 
A Civil Nerd
2022-10-24 3:21:43 PM  

oopsboom: wetrat: oopsboom: it's b/c all these neighborhoods are poorly planned/designed.  the only way to


https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/pedestrians/activations.shtml#calendar

You're not wrong.  None of the proposed streets are major arteries.
 
wetrat
2022-10-24 3:29:43 PM  

oopsboom: wetrat: oopsboom: it's b/c all these neighborhoods are poorly planned/designed.  the only way to get anywhere an adult wants to go is by car. but the streets are narrow and have tiny or no sidewalks and no bike paths, and probably poor lighting after dark.

all of it just needs to be razed to the ground and rebuilt in an expanded grid with mass transit, modern street layouts, etc built into it.  but thats financially and just physically infeasible.  so instead we do this nonsense where we drive cars for 16 hours then ban them for 8.  and act like we did somethign amazing by "reducing accidents by 1/3rd!" when obviously we banned card for 1/3rd of the day lol

Here is the list of the actual streets that are part of this proposal: https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/pedestrians/activations.shtml#calendar The vast majority of them are in Manhattan, which is literally a grid with mass transit. Other than emergency vehicles, nobody "needs" to drive down these streets on Halloween.

and yet if you pull up google maps half those streets "noone needs to drive down" are red traffic at 4p i bet


I obviously don't know all of these streets, but there's one on the list that's two blocks away from my house and it is literally a quiet residential street. Actually, I walked over and well, there's basically no traffic here at 3:30. There are on the other hand a lot of Halloween decorations up, so I guess the locals here don't really have a problem with opening their street on Halloween.
 
lincoln65
2022-10-24 3:46:35 PM  

ctighe2353: tom baker's scarf: tom baker's scarf: GregInIndy: [Fark user image 425x404]

Child pedestrian deaths go through the roof on Halloween. Every year. Close the streets and these disingenuous jackass protestors can just deal with it & die mad.

from the WP article from which that graphic was pulled.
A Washington Post analysis found that 54 pedestrians younger than 18 were struck and killed by an automobile on Halloween from 2004 through 2018. That compares with 16 on a typical day.

ok so 54deaths/14years= 3.86 deaths per Halloween compared to "16 on a typical day".

Either their writing or their math sucks.  Probably both, it is the WP after-all. Also can we get a copy of that graph w/o the black bar obscuring the data?

also given that the data in NHTSA link (https://cdan.dot.gov/query ) they cited in their article only goes back to 2006, not 2004 as listed said article and i don't see any way of generating a bar graph w/in the tool (the tool kicks out a table not graph) i'm calling shenanigans.

It's 4 hours.  People really get riled up over the most mundane thing.   It's 4 hours, they close streets longer for car accidents, water main breaks and things like that.
Let the kids have 4 hours of fun, it's the farking city where there are limited places to play


Americans hate kids.
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Schmerd1948 [TotalFark]
2022-10-24 3:52:31 PM  

UltimaCS: They put boulders in the streets, it's hard for the emergency vehicles to get to the sick people.

The neat part is that fire engines can drive through lawns just as well.


Lawns? In Queens?
 
a perfectly serviceable can of spooge
2022-10-24 4:13:19 PM  
Ah, Queens. Worst of the 4 boros.

Yes, 4. Staten Island is a landfill, not a boro.
 
swahnhennessy
2022-10-24 4:27:12 PM  
The people booing this are all awful. You know it.
 
NM Volunteer [TotalFark]
2022-10-24 4:32:29 PM  

lincoln65: ctighe2353: tom baker's scarf: tom baker's scarf: GregInIndy: [Fark user image 425x404]

Child pedestrian deaths go through the roof on Halloween. Every year. Close the streets and these disingenuous jackass protestors can just deal with it & die mad.

from the WP article from which that graphic was pulled.
A Washington Post analysis found that 54 pedestrians younger than 18 were struck and killed by an automobile on Halloween from 2004 through 2018. That compares with 16 on a typical day.

ok so 54deaths/14years= 3.86 deaths per Halloween compared to "16 on a typical day".

Either their writing or their math sucks.  Probably both, it is the WP after-all. Also can we get a copy of that graph w/o the black bar obscuring the data?

also given that the data in NHTSA link (https://cdan.dot.gov/query ) they cited in their article only goes back to 2006, not 2004 as listed said article and i don't see any way of generating a bar graph w/in the tool (the tool kicks out a table not graph) i'm calling shenanigans.

It's 4 hours.  People really get riled up over the most mundane thing.   It's 4 hours, they close streets longer for car accidents, water main breaks and things like that.
Let the kids have 4 hours of fun, it's the farking city where there are limited places to play

Americans hate kids.
[pbs.twimg.com image 850x596]


It's no longer the 1950s in Mayberry, pal.
 
tom baker's scarf
2022-10-24 4:32:33 PM  

a perfectly serviceable can of spooge: Ah, Queens. Worst of the 4 boros.

Yes, 4. Staten Island is a landfill, not a boro.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boroughs_of_New_York_City
 
Krieghund
2022-10-24 4:36:10 PM  

UltimaCS: GregInIndy: through the roof

It looks like it's barely larger than late September, which is probably the point at which parents give up on dropping their kids off every morning.


Halloween is the black line. It's roughly double the September date.
 
tom baker's scarf
2022-10-24 4:39:29 PM  

Krieghund: UltimaCS: GregInIndy: through the roof

It looks like it's barely larger than late September, which is probably the point at which parents give up on dropping their kids off every morning.

Halloween is the black line. It's roughly double the September date.


well there is a black line on top of the Halloween data. no idea if the line correctly represents the Halloween data.  that article and their cited source have real issues.
 
tom baker's scarf
2022-10-24 4:42:37 PM  

ctighe2353: tom baker's scarf: tom baker's scarf: GregInIndy: [Fark user image 425x404]

Child pedestrian deaths go through the roof on Halloween. Every year. Close the streets and these disingenuous jackass protestors can just deal with it & die mad.

from the WP article from which that graphic was pulled.
A Washington Post analysis found that 54 pedestrians younger than 18 were struck and killed by an automobile on Halloween from 2004 through 2018. That compares with 16 on a typical day.

ok so 54deaths/14years= 3.86 deaths per Halloween compared to "16 on a typical day".

Either their writing or their math sucks.  Probably both, it is the WP after-all. Also can we get a copy of that graph w/o the black bar obscuring the data?

also given that the data in NHTSA link (https://cdan.dot.gov/query ) they cited in their article only goes back to 2006, not 2004 as listed said article and i don't see any way of generating a bar graph w/in the tool (the tool kicks out a table not graph) i'm calling shenanigans.

It's 4 hours.  People really get riled up over the most mundane thing.   It's 4 hours, they close streets longer for car accidents, water main breaks and things like that.
Let the kids have 4 hours of fun, it's the farking city where there are limited places to play


it is only 4 hours.

seems like the kiddies and their neglectful parents could be extra vigilante about street safety for 4 hours, one day a year. is that really too much to ask? do they not care about their kids' well being?
 
Bareefer Obonghit
2022-10-24 4:44:11 PM  
In the replies on the tweet multiple people are claiming open streets in this area is 13 hours a day all year, not just Halloween. If that's true it's a glaring omission from the article.

But looking at the video of these humanoids I'm inclined to hope the ambulance does not reach them anyway.
 
groppet
2022-10-24 5:12:27 PM  
Well people want the right to run over then damn kids whenever they please.
 
ISO15693
2022-10-24 5:15:38 PM  

Petroleum Oligarch: hugadarn: Less kids hiat with cars seems like a good thing. But then again, less covid deaths seemed like a good thing too, and convenience and expedience ended up being worth a lot of lives, more than I would have expected.

This post made Stannis Baratheon cry.


Fun fact: "Stannis Baratheon"is an anagram of "Thorniest Bananas"
 
alex10294
2022-10-24 6:08:41 PM  

GregInIndy: [Fark user image image 425x404]

Child pedestrian deaths go through the roof on Halloween. Every year. Close the streets and these disingenuous jackass protestors can just deal with it & die mad.


Yeah. That graph shows it's like 2 days of crashes in 1 day!  We should also shut it down the two days before and two days after, and save 3 times the lives.  Of course, that means that if we shut the streets 364 days a year, we would have only 1/366th the crashes, so how can we NOT do that.
 
knbwhite
2022-10-24 6:15:45 PM  
Several years ago a little one got badly injured in my town in a hit and run on Halloween. I don't think they ever caught the scumbag that hit her.
 
stevenvictx
2022-10-24 6:33:38 PM  
If there is one thing i have learn on Fark is, everything is hated by someone

Usually its someone on Fark itself
 
casey17 [TotalFark]
2022-10-24 7:29:19 PM  

wetrat: oopsboom: it's b/c all these neighborhoods are poorly planned/designed.  the only way to get anywhere an adult wants to go is by car. but the streets are narrow and have tiny or no sidewalks and no bike paths, and probably poor lighting after dark.

all of it just needs to be razed to the ground and rebuilt in an expanded grid with mass transit, modern street layouts, etc built into it.  but thats financially and just physically infeasible.  so instead we do this nonsense where we drive cars for 16 hours then ban them for 8.  and act like we did somethign amazing by "reducing accidents by 1/3rd!" when obviously we banned card for 1/3rd of the day lol

Here is the list of the actual streets that are part of this proposal: https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/pedestrians/activations.shtml#calendar The vast majority of them are in Manhattan, which is literally a grid with mass transit. Other than emergency vehicles, nobody "needs" to drive down these streets on Halloween.


How are people supposed to get their coke laced with fentanyl delivered?

/s
 
a perfectly serviceable can of spooge
2022-10-24 7:30:28 PM  

tom baker's scarf: a perfectly serviceable can of spooge: Ah, Queens. Worst of the 4 boros.

Yes, 4. Staten Island is a landfill, not a boro.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boroughs_of_New_York_City


LOL Michigan, huh? That's adorable. Call me when you know shiat about shiat, flyover boy.
 
tom baker's scarf
2022-10-25 8:03:32 AM  

a perfectly serviceable can of spooge: tom baker's scarf: a perfectly serviceable can of spooge: Ah, Queens. Worst of the 4 boros.

Yes, 4. Staten Island is a landfill, not a boro.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boroughs_of_New_York_City

LOL Michigan, huh? That's adorable. Call me when you know shiat about shiat, flyover boy.


i know how to spell borough.
 
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