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(AP News)   Russia announces their next false flag operation and holy crap   (apnews.com) divider line
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2022-10-23 6:16:53 PM  
This is probably just an empty threat.  I hope.
 
2022-10-23 6:28:15 PM  
Russian authorities repeatedly have made allegations that Ukraine could detonate a dirty bomb in a false flag attack and blame it on Moscow.

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Did we figure out for sure who blew up Nord Stream?  Any new developments?
 
2022-10-23 7:41:13 PM  
This is fine.  I think we've been on DEFCON 3 since this started.  Good times.
 
2022-10-23 7:46:15 PM  
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I think I read somewhere that camouflaged underground missiles silos are obsolete now because of SLBMs and B-2 Stealth Bombers that carry nukes.
 
2022-10-23 8:02:29 PM  
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2022-10-23 8:07:56 PM  

Jake Havechek: [Fark user image 425x282]

I think I read somewhere that camouflaged underground missiles silos are obsolete now because of SLBMs and B-2 Stealth Bombers that carry nukes.


Plus all the B-52s have stand off six packs of air launched cruise missiles.  And I bet half our missile interceptor fleet is in the Arctic circle right now, the poor bastards.  My hat's off to those sailors.
 
2022-10-23 9:51:56 PM  
a dirty bomb makes sense when you don't have functional nuclear weapons...
 
2022-10-23 9:52:15 PM  
edit: when you don't have functional nukes but you do have fissile material
 
2022-10-23 9:52:21 PM  
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2022-10-23 9:59:14 PM  
Russia's defense chief alleged Sunday that Ukraine was preparing a "provocation" involving a radioactive device

So in other words, Ukraine isn't but Russia is considering it.
 
2022-10-23 9:59:30 PM  
And the GOP wants to defund the aid to Ukraine.
 
2022-10-23 10:00:13 PM  
You pubs still love Putin?
 
2022-10-23 10:01:52 PM  

C18H27NO3: Russia's defense chief alleged Sunday that Ukraine was preparing a "provocation" involving a radioactive device

So in other words, Ukraine isn't but Russia is considering it.


Does NATO still destroy Russia with conventional weapons in response?
 
2022-10-23 10:03:44 PM  

Jake Havechek: This is probably just an empty threat.  I hope.


I don't think they have a clue what the fark they're going to do more than a couple days into the future, and maybe not even that far.  At this point, it sure seems like they're just winging it trying to wage a mid-20th century open land war against an opponent who has access to 21st century tech and intel combined with the training and support to use them.

Yeah, they might try something really sh*tty like a dirty bomb, or blowing up the dam and/or a nuclear plant, but these press releases feel like they're just trying to do public relations pocket sand.
 
2022-10-23 10:04:41 PM  
Russia is going to reap the whirlwind.
 
2022-10-23 10:04:51 PM  
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As an NBA fan, this amuses me.
 
2022-10-23 10:05:53 PM  
They're just making this statement for insurance.  They're not sure if their current plan of using a dirty missile on Kiev will work or if it'll crash or boomerang around.
 
2022-10-23 10:06:13 PM  

replacementcool: a dirty bomb makes sense when you don't have functional nuclear weapons...


This.

Also the deniability factor is much easier in the short and medium term.

A real nuke can be traced to origin and carries the potential for real reprisals.

A dirty bomb will take days or weeks to determine it's likely origin considering the makeup of the fallout. By then a reprisal by NATO would be less likely outside the heat of the moment. And the Russians would deny the dirty bomb forever.

So yeah they're gonna do it.
 
2022-10-23 10:07:31 PM  
Russia's defense chief alleged Sunday that Ukraine was preparing a "provocation" involving a radioactive device

Riiiight . . . because Ukraine is looking to escalate the conflict in their own country. Such a stupid.

If you really think that Ukraine is looking to stir up more fighting, why just pull your troops out and end the conflict? That ought to teach those Ukrainian bullies.
 
2022-10-23 10:07:54 PM  
I just don't understand anything they're doing. Maybe it's 5D chess and my smoothbrain can't comprehend the complex strategies involved but it seems to me that if Russia can't beat Ukraine by itself that escalating the war to involve EVERY COUNTRY IN NATO won't turn out well for them.

Also, if you're going to do a false flag dirty bomb, isn't it a bad idea to draw attention to it?

This timeline is ridiculous and I hate it.
 
2022-10-23 10:12:13 PM  

Stargazer86: I just don't understand anything they're doing. Maybe it's 5D chess and my smoothbrain can't comprehend the complex strategies involved but it seems to me that if Russia can't beat Ukraine by itself that escalating the war to involve EVERY COUNTRY IN NATO won't turn out well for them.

Also, if you're going to do a false flag dirty bomb, isn't it a bad idea to draw attention to it?

This timeline is ridiculous and I hate it.


Could be worse.  Imagine being in the timeline where the idiot bullies are competent instead.
 
2022-10-23 10:12:27 PM  
Do you detonate a dirty bomb in your own population centers or wheat fields? Seems incredibly stupid to me.
/now if Ukraine detonated one in Putin's lap, that is just poison heading home
 
2022-10-23 10:17:06 PM  

nekom: This is fine.  I think we've been on DEFCON 3 since this started.  Good times.


You're thinking of Kanye.
 
2022-10-23 10:17:50 PM  
Some Farkers love to say "Every accusation is a confession!" over and over again.

Well this is what that actually looks like.
Putin, the little monster, is afraid of losing Kherson, so he wants to commit an atrocity on Ukraine. But he needs a pretext.
 
2022-10-23 10:35:57 PM  

RandomInternetComment: C18H27NO3: Russia's defense chief alleged Sunday that Ukraine was preparing a "provocation" involving a radioactive device

So in other words, Ukraine isn't but Russia is considering it.

Does NATO still destroy Russia with conventional weapons in response?


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2022-10-23 10:45:13 PM  

New Rising Sun: Jake Havechek: This is probably just an empty threat.  I hope.

I don't think they have a clue what the fark they're going to do more than a couple days into the future, and maybe not even that far.  At this point, it sure seems like they're just winging it trying to wage a mid-20th century open land war against an opponent who has access to 21st century tech and intel combined with the training and support to use them.

Yeah, they might try something really sh*tty like a dirty bomb, or blowing up the dam and/or a nuclear plant, but these press releases feel like they're just trying to do public relations pocket sand.


Sha-Sha-Sha...oigu!
 
2022-10-23 10:53:36 PM  

JK8Fan: You pubs still love Putin?


No, they hate Dems and Dems support Ukraine. What's so difficult about that?
 
2022-10-23 11:03:04 PM  
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I feel like the Rooskies are speedrunning their threat matrices. Next they'll be waving around the solaranite from Plan 9 From Outer Space.
 
2022-10-23 11:06:52 PM  
A dirty bomb makes no tactical or political sense for Ukraine.

What's in this guy's vodak?
 
2022-10-23 11:07:14 PM  
So basically, Russia has stolen nuclear material from Ukrainian power plants under their control, and are going to use the fact that that material can be traced to a Ukrainian source to claim the Ukrainians released a dirty bomb on themselves.
 
2022-10-23 11:08:06 PM  

leeksfromchichis: A dirty bomb makes no tactical or political sense for Ukraine.

What's in this guy's vodak?


Uranium ?
 
2022-10-23 11:08:20 PM  

Fury Pilot: So basically, Russia has stolen nuclear material from Ukrainian power plants under their control, and are going to use the fact that that material can be traced to a Ukrainian source to claim the Ukrainians released a dirty bomb on themselves.


Putin has been reading Tom Clancy novels...
 
2022-10-23 11:08:26 PM  

leeksfromchichis: A dirty bomb makes no tactical or political sense for Ukraine.

What's in this guy's vodak?


"If we claim it's a false flag first, we have plausible deniability and won't get invaded for doing it"
 
2022-10-23 11:10:22 PM  

Fury Pilot: So basically, Russia has stolen nuclear material from Ukrainian power plants under their control, and are going to use the fact that that material can be traced to a Ukrainian source to claim the Ukrainians released a dirty bomb on themselves.


Why steal anything? They could have collected all the soil from their campout in the forest around Chernobyl.
 
2022-10-23 11:11:22 PM  

Unsung_Hero: leeksfromchichis: A dirty bomb makes no tactical or political sense for Ukraine.

What's in this guy's vodak?

"If we claim it's a false flag first, we have plausible deniability and won't get invaded for doing it"


That is stretching the definition of "plausible" to the breaking point.
 
2022-10-23 11:16:21 PM  

Master Passion Greed: Unsung_Hero: leeksfromchichis: A dirty bomb makes no tactical or political sense for Ukraine.

What's in this guy's vodak?

"If we claim it's a false flag first, we have plausible deniability and won't get invaded for doing it"

That is stretching the definition of "plausible" to the breaking point.


Oh, it's completely stupid.  Nobody's outside Russia or the GOP will believe it, and I'd think a good portion of those would only be pretending in support of 'their side'.

It will not stop retribution, it will horrify people and every nation bordering Russia will be raging to see Russia obliterated.  It might, however, weaken the retribution effort outside those immediately threatened countries.  I'd hope not, but people are on average pretty farking selfish and stupid.
 
2022-10-23 11:17:54 PM  

Unsung_Hero: leeksfromchichis: A dirty bomb makes no tactical or political sense for Ukraine.

What's in this guy's vodak?

"If we claim it's a false flag first, we have plausible deniability and won't get invaded for doing it"


I don't think anyone will believe them.
 
2022-10-23 11:21:31 PM  
That's been obvious since Russia took over Chernobyl, harassed the safety people, bombed, and then took over and threaten to damage other nuclear power plants.

Putin's quest for the holy grail of Ukraine is just like King Arthur's.  You well remember how the King used the quest to destroy the grail and lay waste to all the lands around, killing, and then salting the earth.  There's something not right with that Russian.
 
2022-10-23 11:22:29 PM  

Master Passion Greed: Unsung_Hero: leeksfromchichis: A dirty bomb makes no tactical or political sense for Ukraine.

What's in this guy's vodak?

"If we claim it's a false flag first, we have plausible deniability and won't get invaded for doing it"

That is stretching the definition of "plausible" to the breaking point.


This is the same country that deployed Peskov and Lavrov to tell us all no invasion was ever gonna happen, that even mentioning it was Western provocative warmongering.

And then the tanks rolled over the border literally days later.

Also the same country that's seeing hundreds of thousands fleeing is it forcibly kidnaps hundreds of thousands more to hand weapons to and shove into combat without training or support.
 
2022-10-23 11:47:13 PM  

MaKaM: Do you detonate a dirty bomb in your own population centers or wheat fields? Seems incredibly stupid to me.
/now if Ukraine detonated one in Putin's lap, that is just poison heading home


Ukraine deserves to drop Tzar Boomba on Moscow, just for the Russian disrespect of the signed treaty giving up Ukraine's nukes.

/big badda boomba
 
2022-10-23 11:52:27 PM  
Ukraine has threatened to detonate a dirty bomb in the Russian region that is most deficient in enlistments.
 
2022-10-24 12:28:25 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Master Passion Greed: Unsung_Hero: leeksfromchichis: A dirty bomb makes no tactical or political sense for Ukraine.

What's in this guy's vodak?

"If we claim it's a false flag first, we have plausible deniability and won't get invaded for doing it"

That is stretching the definition of "plausible" to the breaking point.

Oh, it's completely stupid.  Nobody's outside Russia or the GOP will believe it, and I'd think a good portion of those would only be pretending in support of 'their side'.

It will not stop retribution, it will horrify people and every nation bordering Russia will be raging to see Russia obliterated.  It might, however, weaken the retribution effort outside those immediately threatened countries.  I'd hope not, but people are on average pretty farking selfish and stupid.


Yeah...

zbtop: This is the same country that deployed Peskov and Lavrov to tell us all no invasion was ever gonna happen, that even mentioning it was Western provocative warmongering.

And then the tanks rolled over the border literally days later.

Also the same country that's seeing hundreds of thousands fleeing is it forcibly kidnaps hundreds of thousands more to hand weapons to and shove into combat without training or support.


Yeah......

Now I'm just sad.
 
2022-10-24 12:28:48 AM  

cheeseaholic: Could be worse. Imagine being in the timeline where the idiot bullies are competent instead.


That's just it, isn't it?
The troglodyte roozies focus so hard on posturing and beating their chests that they lose their capacity for rational thought. Toxic masculinity at its brain-paralyzing worst.

/There's no inferiority complex like the ruzzian inferiority complex.
 
2022-10-24 1:05:42 AM  
I want Russia to be flattened.
 
2022-10-24 1:57:25 AM  

JK8Fan: You pubs still love Putin?


You know, another Red Scare could really gut the government of all Republican shiatbags and put them to the sword, which would resolve many problems the United States faces.  It wouldn't be pleasant, but it would really gut the traitors really quick.

/I wish I were joking
//be weird if it does turn out that way
 
2022-10-24 2:06:59 AM  
The only thing that will end this is total annihilation of Russia and the orc hive mind.  If even one brood queen escapes the sanitization we will have this happen again in the future.  Especially if they evolve better humxn meat suits.
 
2022-10-24 2:17:00 AM  
They're going to melt down the power plant
 
2022-10-24 6:22:03 AM  
Hmm, who places zero value on human life and would think nothing of poisoning a city in perpetuity?  Ukraine, victim of Russia's stupidity and hubris at Chernobyl?  I think not.

The Russians really are animals.  I will never forget a story I read about a Soviet garrison in a once beautiful castle in one of their vassal states.  When the sewer system failed from too many people in the castle, they just hacked off the drain pipes and turned the basement into a septic tank.  When the basement filled with sewage and the odor became unbearable, they abandoned the castle.
 
2022-10-24 6:28:47 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: JK8Fan: You pubs still love Putin?

You know, another Red Scare could really gut the government of all Republican shiatbags and put them to the sword, which would resolve many problems the United States faces.  It wouldn't be pleasant, but it would really gut the traitors really quick.

/I wish I were joking
//be weird if it does turn out that way


Not only does that sound pleasant, that sounds like a party.  I'll bring the chips.
 
2022-10-24 8:25:25 AM  
"We really, really, really just want to launch tac nukes at this point, because we're running out of artillery shells, missiles and rockets. What do you expect us to do? Use harsh language?"

Yes, the Ukraine wants to drop dirty bombs on their own territory. That MUST be the ticket. Jeebus Frist...
 
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