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(Politico)   America's greatest weakness is diplomacy   (politico.com) divider line
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945 clicks; posted to Politics » on 23 Oct 2022 at 11:55 AM (14 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-10-23 12:03:55 PM  
A bid for the $1.5 billion project could have signaled America's enduring interest in this country in its own hemisphere, home to a canal whose U.S.-led construction transformed global trade over a century ago... Such scenes have been playing out from Kenya to the Solomon Islands...

Gee, maybe these construction contractors know something that the State department doesn't. Such as the cost to do business in unstable countries is no longer worth whatever "good will" that gets wiped out with every regime change.
 
2022-10-23 12:13:27 PM  
Four years of Trump's nationalism, isolationism, antagonism towards our allies and criminal governance destroyed the US' credibility and moral authority, allowing China and Russia to fill the power vacuum he created using their wealth and fossil fuels to curry favor, respectively.
 
2022-10-23 12:13:35 PM  
I often wonder where are all the plaques and memorials for all the wars and conflicts we didn't get into because of normal, boring diplomacy.

We seem to have holiday after holiday for our warriors (and rightly so), but nothing for the people who prevented war in the first place.
 
2022-10-23 12:15:26 PM  
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2022-10-23 12:17:29 PM  
If you have a nation flipping from Obama to Trump to Biden to, hell, it might be Kanye West two years from now, you can't make any meaningful long-term agreement that's going to stick.
 
2022-10-23 12:28:05 PM  

Blahbbs: I often wonder where are all the plaques and memorials for all the wars and conflicts we didn't get into because of normal, boring diplomacy.

We seem to have holiday after holiday for our warriors (and rightly so), but nothing for the people who prevented war in the first place.


It's hard to have an award for something not happening, because you know, it didn't happen.
 
2022-10-23 12:55:15 PM  
Is the American government having trouble adjusting to a world where their "diplomacy" can't always be backed up with a drone or cruise missile strike? They don't seem to know any other way
 
2022-10-23 12:59:24 PM  

Halfabee64: Four years of Trump's nationalism, isolationism, antagonism towards our allies and criminal governance destroyed the US' credibility and moral authority, allowing China and Russia to fill the power vacuum he created using their wealth and fossil fuels to curry favor, respectively.


You have to read pretty far into the article before you reach any mention of Trump's undermining the State Department. Under its new right-wing owner Politico is trying to be another Fox News.
 
2022-10-23 1:32:33 PM  

guinsu: Is the American government having trouble adjusting to a world where their "diplomacy" can't always be backed up with a drone or cruise missile strike? They don't seem to know any other way


There are many less flashy methods of building and holding soft power, but TFG didn't see them as profit-makers so they were jettisoned.
 
2022-10-23 2:12:07 PM  
200 years of paradoxical political & economic interference & negligence on 2 continents we claimed as our sphere of influence is more than just a weakness.
 
2022-10-23 2:26:11 PM  
How the hell can China afford to do all these things?

/ that was sarcasm
 
2022-10-23 3:11:31 PM  
This is the whirlwind we reaped for having a Trump presidency.
 
2022-10-23 3:41:46 PM  

Deathbymeteor: Blahbbs: I often wonder where are all the plaques and memorials for all the wars and conflicts we didn't get into because of normal, boring diplomacy.

We seem to have holiday after holiday for our warriors (and rightly so), but nothing for the people who prevented war in the first place.

It's hard to have an award for something not happening, because you know, it didn't happen.


Uh, when the diplomacy doesn't happen is when the wars start.  When the wars don't start is when the diplomacy did.
 
2022-10-23 4:45:17 PM  
No, it's just that the only two options we offer are to allow your goods into our markets or being bombed.

China has the same, except it's their goods in your market.
 
2022-10-23 8:26:53 PM  
This article is going to age like milk in the sun after China finally gets around to imploding.
 
2022-10-23 10:34:23 PM  

AdrienVeidt: Deathbymeteor: Blahbbs: I often wonder where are all the plaques and memorials for all the wars and conflicts we didn't get into because of normal, boring diplomacy.

We seem to have holiday after holiday for our warriors (and rightly so), but nothing for the people who prevented war in the first place.

It's hard to have an award for something not happening, because you know, it didn't happen.

Uh, when the diplomacy doesn't happen is when the wars start.  When the wars don't start is when the diplomacy did.


So, how do you give an award for not having a war?  How would you know they had actually done anything?  How do you know for certain the war would have happened?

That's sort of my entire point.
 
2022-10-24 6:17:41 AM  

Deathbymeteor: AdrienVeidt: Deathbymeteor: Blahbbs: I often wonder where are all the plaques and memorials for all the wars and conflicts we didn't get into because of normal, boring diplomacy.

We seem to have holiday after holiday for our warriors (and rightly so), but nothing for the people who prevented war in the first place.

It's hard to have an award for something not happening, because you know, it didn't happen.

Uh, when the diplomacy doesn't happen is when the wars start.  When the wars don't start is when the diplomacy did.

So, how do you give an award for not having a war?  How would you know they had actually done anything?  How do you know for certain the war would have happened?

That's sort of my entire point.


Because the diplomats did their job, that's how.

Do you only praise your doctor after you've died of cancer, or do you call him a putz for doing what he says so you never get it at all?
 
2022-10-24 8:02:44 AM  

AdrienVeidt: Deathbymeteor: AdrienVeidt: Deathbymeteor: Blahbbs: I often wonder where are all the plaques and memorials for all the wars and conflicts we didn't get into because of normal, boring diplomacy.

We seem to have holiday after holiday for our warriors (and rightly so), but nothing for the people who prevented war in the first place.

It's hard to have an award for something not happening, because you know, it didn't happen.

Uh, when the diplomacy doesn't happen is when the wars start.  When the wars don't start is when the diplomacy did.

So, how do you give an award for not having a war?  How would you know they had actually done anything?  How do you know for certain the war would have happened?

That's sort of my entire point.

Because the diplomats did their job, that's how.

Do you only praise your doctor after you've died of cancer, or do you call him a putz for doing what he says so you never get it at all?


Neither.  In the former case, he failed, in the latter case, there's no evidence I would have gotten cancer without him.  You're just not clear on this concept of needing evidence of some action in order to be praised for it.

But if you want to start praising me for all the conflicts around the globe I've prevented, please go ahead.  But don't expect any evidence for them, you'll just have to trust me when I say I did it.
 
2022-10-24 8:31:56 AM  

Deathbymeteor: AdrienVeidt: Deathbymeteor: AdrienVeidt: Deathbymeteor: Blahbbs: I often wonder where are all the plaques and memorials for all the wars and conflicts we didn't get into because of normal, boring diplomacy.

We seem to have holiday after holiday for our warriors (and rightly so), but nothing for the people who prevented war in the first place.

It's hard to have an award for something not happening, because you know, it didn't happen.

Uh, when the diplomacy doesn't happen is when the wars start.  When the wars don't start is when the diplomacy did.

So, how do you give an award for not having a war?  How would you know they had actually done anything?  How do you know for certain the war would have happened?

That's sort of my entire point.

Because the diplomats did their job, that's how.

Do you only praise your doctor after you've died of cancer, or do you call him a putz for doing what he says so you never get it at all?

Neither.  In the former case, he failed, in the latter case, there's no evidence I would have gotten cancer without him.  You're just not clear on this concept of needing evidence of some action in order to be praised for it.

But if you want to start praising me for all the conflicts around the globe I've prevented, please go ahead.  But don't expect any evidence for them, you'll just have to trust me when I say I did it.


'People do X to prevent Y, Y is prevented = no evidence of action on anybody's part.'

Your friends don't ask you for advice, do they?  You ever wonder why not?
 
2022-10-24 5:57:55 PM  

AdrienVeidt: Deathbymeteor: AdrienVeidt: Deathbymeteor: AdrienVeidt: Deathbymeteor: Blahbbs: I often wonder where are all the plaques and memorials for all the wars and conflicts we didn't get into because of normal, boring diplomacy.

We seem to have holiday after holiday for our warriors (and rightly so), but nothing for the people who prevented war in the first place.

It's hard to have an award for something not happening, because you know, it didn't happen.

Uh, when the diplomacy doesn't happen is when the wars start.  When the wars don't start is when the diplomacy did.

So, how do you give an award for not having a war?  How would you know they had actually done anything?  How do you know for certain the war would have happened?

That's sort of my entire point.

Because the diplomats did their job, that's how.

Do you only praise your doctor after you've died of cancer, or do you call him a putz for doing what he says so you never get it at all?

Neither.  In the former case, he failed, in the latter case, there's no evidence I would have gotten cancer without him.  You're just not clear on this concept of needing evidence of some action in order to be praised for it.

But if you want to start praising me for all the conflicts around the globe I've prevented, please go ahead.  But don't expect any evidence for them, you'll just have to trust me when I say I did it.

'People do X to prevent Y, Y is prevented = no evidence of action on anybody's part.'

Your friends don't ask you for advice, do they?  You ever wonder why not?


If my friends asked for advice on topics as stupid as "How do we give awards to people whose actions may or may not have stopped a thing that may or may not have been going to happen?", I'd probably smack them upside the head for being stupid.

"People do X to prevent Y"  Ok, first off, did X actually do anything effective?  Was Y actually going to happen?  Was it X that stopped it, or was it A through W?  Was it a combination of A through X, plus a change of situation?  You don't know, so how do you award people for things you don't know?

Seriously, the fact that you haven't gotten it is almost impressive.  The basic concept of diplomacy is "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"  Yet you want to give an award for it?
 
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